I have a G660 with a 36" bar on an F2 PLUS mill. I am all smiles. I did a lot of upgrades to the saw with OEM STIHL parts and installed a high output oil pump before I ever started the saw for the first time. Dual port muffler and foam around the air filter for easy cleaning. The saw is an absolute monster.
I ordered my G660 on Black Friday and received it last night. Got to run it a little this morning. It's an absolute beast and a huge step up from my Jonsered 2255 (455 Rancher basically). Can't wait to get the G660 fully broken in and milling some of the fallen red oaks on my land.
Bilt hard saw is seriously amazing. I owned over 10 stihl chainsaw and sold them all after using bilt hard. The saw actually cuts way better than stihl or even other name brand saws. I paid $129 after Tax free shipping. I just wish they sold a logging saw with longer bar. There is supposedly some brother companies of bilt hard that make the big logging saws. But for just regular tree cutting the bilt hard is a beast of a saw. Already dropped it over 100 feet from top of tree. Just stayed running til I got down there and didn't break anything. Not even a scratch. I know for a fact stihl will shatter like broken glass from that high in air. Really these bigger name brands are just that, a name. My dad who has been using stihl for over 50 years used my saw once. Ordered two brand new bilt hard 20" saws and within a week of using , he decided to get rid of his stihls too. It's not that we have anything against stihl. They are good saws but for the cost of a new bar and chain, I can just buy the bilt hard saws complete with all kinds of stuff that comes with it. They actually Rev way higher than a normal stihl and just seem to have way more power cutting.
I have a Holzfforma G111 T and run Shell Premium @ 90 to 1 mix using Opti-2 oil. Absolutely 0 smoke & instant power. I have a 30 year old RedMax trimmer with well over 2000 commercial hours on it and never skipped a beat. I have never had a 2 stroke fail using Opti-2. A 25 to 1 or even 40 to 1 is crazy.
Yep and I continue doing so LOL its just that the number of saws I have to use keeps increasing. A friends farm was hit with a tornado recently, going over tomorrow with 6 of my saws to help clean up. Might even get a video out of it. Thanks for watching.
Uncle Cy, Love your down to earth videos on the Holzfforma saws. Just a question if you were choosing between the g388 and the g444 which would you choose and why?
Agh nothing like running saws all day long hanging in my saddle then coming home and watching you guys runs ur new saws.they look like they work great sounds just like my stihls at work
Farmertec is having a Black Friday sale right now and the 660 is only $259!!! If I hadn't just bought a 444 and have no need for a 660 I'd buy one at that price. Oh and the 372XP is going for $209! Unreal prices for saws like these.
@@anthonyclark9159 funny because I haven't seen it. Haven't seen any tree company use them or any loggers use them. So I stand by my statement. They're a homeowner saw.
Hey bud. I'm mostly sided with you. BUT! The G888 is in a different category. I have a firewood business and usually run Stihl Only. Have a 034, 029 super, and an old 066. All very good was especially the 029 super for its size. I recently purchased the Holz G888, as it was 1000aud delivered compared to around 4.5k for the Stihl ms880. This Holz is a beast! I've ran it over 200 hours so far. Hasn't missed a beat. And as far as internals. It is IDENTICAL to the big stihls. Remember it's still german design. It's only built in china.
@@BiGsesk deminsions are the same as stihl but the material used and quality control definitely are not. That said i recently bought a g660 for $260, had a problem with fuel leaking $13 worth of stihl parts fixed the issue. the actual stihl version sold for about the equivalent of $1500. Basically its definitely not a stihl.. but its pretty close and 1/5 the price. If someone knows how and dont mind working on the saws, they are a great value.
finally a guy that keeps his rakers down ,little more kick but when you know how to use it that way ,its much smoother, faster cutting ,I was a buckerman before there were processors. in the BC woods of Canada
Wow. The 3 series saw sounded fantastic, very strong. Nice "crack" to the exhaust note. Reminded me of an old big 2 stroke dirt bike. It sounds like a pretty strong machine.
Got some nice Chainsaws there - How many is that now 20 or more? I bet by the time your my age you'll have more then 30... Haha! It's an addiction that you'll need a 12 step program to slow down your buying Frenzies down! : )
LOL actually I am up to 22. However it is still growing there is at least one more in the near future, possibly 2. I figure at some point I will just do as you did and start giving them away, but I will give them to subscribers for channel landmarks. Look out I am getting close to 20K subs.
Like all of them myself. The 660 will be my new saw soon. As much as i like my big mac, i cant justify using it much. It has to much value to risk it. The 660 at that price, its hard to justify not buying one, and maybe a parts kit for " just in case" . The 66 is a pro saw ,hi compression, hi hp, + torque. 90+cc log eater. You made me do it Cy.hope your happy . Lol. I will be when it gets hear. China or no china this company has the science down to Art now. Now is the time to buy.
What is the point of flipping them around and playing with them prior to cutting? As one who cut himself with one of these it seems a little flamboyant
Hey Unkle Cy..... So tell me, did you have to assemble all of those klones? I've been watching a bunch of these klone vids. I would love an MS660. But like many viewers I kan not afford one. Also, how much did you pay when the smoke kleared? Thank you. I have just sub'd.
Under patent laws if the original designer and manufacturer had their designs patented in the United States or any other country that would put a stop to all these copies of Stihl found these sold they can sue for copyright infringement and damages
Actually I looked into this when I first started dealing with them. US patents are not recognized in China, in fact any countries payents are not recognized by any other country unless they pass laws to recognize then. 2 since a of their clones are of discontinued models as long as they do not use the colors they are legal.
@@DIYwithUncleCy no wrong. Stihl or any other maker whom secure their designs, ideas etc and if granted protection in that nation then any copies based on that protected product will allow the original producer to sue for infringements. Casio G shock watches are successfully protected in the United States and here in New Zealand
All these saws are out of patent... notice they dont copy the 441 or the 201 or the 661 for instance. After 20 years or less I cant remember the parents expire.
brand loyalty can be blinding. I bought a new Stihl recently and the thing would not start with any regularity. Very frustrating. I wanted a something reliable. Stihl FAILED.
The price of name brand saws is ridiculous that why people are searching for an alternative solutions. They just dont have the money and this model is discontinued.
Difference is that a Stihl pro saw runs 1500 hours, and these don’t. For someone who doesn’t use a saw professionally that’s fine, but for someone who uses a saw everyday, there is no way around an original Stihl, for a variety of reasons
How come none of the saws have their original bars instead they have Stihl Oregon and husky . Would of been much nicer to see it perform with original part's.
Holzfforma saws do not come with bars, so I had to run them with what I had. I later acquired several different Holz bars and have other videos with them.
Good day Is that why they call it Holzfforma. Holyz means wood. To make it sound like it come from Germany, llike other 2 popular brands come from? I don't know Thanks
Oops I forgot to put that in the description will add it there too. www.huztl.net/45-4cc-Holzfforma%C2%AE-Blue-Thunder-G255-Gasoline-Chain-Saw-Power-Head-Only-Without-Guide-Bar-and-Saw-Chain-All-Parts-Are-Compatible-With-MS250-MS230-MS210-025-023-025-Chainsaw-p715314.html
Do not buy a cheap Chinese knock off, if you want a good Chain Saw go out and spend the money for a STIHL. I have seen the cheap Chinese saw go bad I n 30 days of use. What had gone bad was the piston going right through the top side of the saw. No repair shops wouldn't fix it for the guy. Oh, the saw was a 661.
Yea if abused and you do not know how to make repairs for yourself they might be a pain, however I have had most of mine for nearly 2 years and only one has given me any problems and it has a scored piston which I can easily repair myself and I can order the part for about as much as it cost me gas to drive to a dealership, and I live in a city where there are several dealerships with in 10 min of me. So its really not about who made the saw as much as it is about the person using it, and what they know about how to tune one and repairing it when needed.
I have a G660 with a 36" bar on an F2 PLUS mill. I am all smiles. I did a lot of upgrades to the saw with OEM STIHL parts and installed a high output oil pump before I ever started the saw for the first time. Dual port muffler and foam around the air filter for easy cleaning. The saw is an absolute monster.
I'd certainly like to see one year evaluation of the little top handle saw.
i have 2 years g660. she did a lot of work. top quality. I have now ordered the G888. I can't wait for it to come to me. I have 60 more machines
I ordered my G660 on Black Friday and received it last night. Got to run it a little this morning. It's an absolute beast and a huge step up from my Jonsered 2255 (455 Rancher basically). Can't wait to get the G660 fully broken in and milling some of the fallen red oaks on my land.
Bilt hard saw is seriously amazing. I owned over 10 stihl chainsaw and sold them all after using bilt hard. The saw actually cuts way better than stihl or even other name brand saws. I paid $129 after Tax free shipping. I just wish they sold a logging saw with longer bar. There is supposedly some brother companies of bilt hard that make the big logging saws. But for just regular tree cutting the bilt hard is a beast of a saw. Already dropped it over 100 feet from top of tree. Just stayed running til I got down there and didn't break anything. Not even a scratch. I know for a fact stihl will shatter like broken glass from that high in air. Really these bigger name brands are just that, a name. My dad who has been using stihl for over 50 years used my saw once. Ordered two brand new bilt hard 20" saws and within a week of using , he decided to get rid of his stihls too. It's not that we have anything against stihl. They are good saws but for the cost of a new bar and chain, I can just buy the bilt hard saws complete with all kinds of stuff that comes with it. They actually Rev way higher than a normal stihl and just seem to have way more power cutting.
I have a Holzfforma G111 T and run Shell Premium @ 90 to 1 mix using Opti-2 oil. Absolutely 0 smoke & instant power. I have a 30 year old RedMax trimmer with well over 2000 commercial hours on it and never skipped a beat. I have never had a 2 stroke fail using Opti-2. A 25 to 1 or even 40 to 1 is crazy.
At least he was honest about just wanting to use the saws. I’d do the same.
Yep and I continue doing so LOL its just that the number of saws I have to use keeps increasing. A friends farm was hit with a tornado recently, going over tomorrow with 6 of my saws to help clean up. Might even get a video out of it. Thanks for watching.
Uncle Cy, Love your down to earth videos on the Holzfforma saws. Just a question if you were choosing between the g388 and the g444 which would you choose and why?
Just purchased a 73cc Holtzforma Huskey knock off hope it runs as good as they do.
Agh nothing like running saws all day long hanging in my saddle then coming home and watching you guys runs ur new saws.they look like they work great sounds just like my stihls at work
Farmertec is having a Black Friday sale right now and the 660 is only $259!!! If I hadn't just bought a 444 and have no need for a 660 I'd buy one at that price. Oh and the 372XP is going for $209! Unreal prices for saws like these.
Plus $55-70 for shipping just looked. Still a value deal!
What’s the model of the first and smallest one you tested? Any links or models on any of those?
All these saws are good enough for the homeowner. But they will not last out in the real world
Lot of people using them every day in the "real world"
@@anthonyclark9159 funny because I haven't seen it. Haven't seen any tree company use them or any loggers use them. So I stand by my statement. They're a homeowner saw.
Hey bud. I'm mostly sided with you. BUT! The G888 is in a different category. I have a firewood business and usually run Stihl Only. Have a 034, 029 super, and an old 066. All very good was especially the 029 super for its size. I recently purchased the Holz G888, as it was 1000aud delivered compared to around 4.5k for the Stihl ms880.
This Holz is a beast! I've ran it over 200 hours so far. Hasn't missed a beat. And as far as internals. It is IDENTICAL to the big stihls.
Remember it's still german design. It's only built in china.
@@BiGsesk Stihls are built in China, even the carbs are Chinese manufactured (ZAMA)
@@BiGsesk deminsions are the same as stihl but the material used and quality control definitely are not. That said i recently bought a g660 for $260, had a problem with fuel leaking $13 worth of stihl parts fixed the issue. the actual stihl version sold for about the equivalent of $1500. Basically its definitely not a stihl.. but its pretty close and 1/5 the price. If someone knows how and dont mind working on the saws, they are a great value.
Lmmfao.. u cud of just sawed that tree and pushed it over.. lotta effort into something easy... the comedy here is amazing
Yea but it made ya watch now didn't it? LOL
@@DIYwithUncleCy no, I skipped to the end and watched the tree almost hit ur buddy in the face...
finally a guy that keeps his rakers down ,little more kick but when you know how to use it that way ,its much smoother, faster cutting ,I was a buckerman before there were processors. in the BC woods of Canada
so just curious how long have you had your you think they will last as long as the stihls
I have had most of these for nearly 2 years now the YZ62 is giving me trouble now bu the others have been very reliable.
How is it the same ,the oil and gas mix ratio recommended for these saws is 25:1 while for a sthil it is 50:1
Because on China they do not have the easy access that we do to synthetic 2 cycle oil. Synthetics do not require as much oil as regular oil.
I'd settle for a 20 hour evaluation of the little top handle saw.
so uncle cy after all the use on the saws is the ms660 or the ms070 witch one is the strongest
the g660 by quite a bit
@@DIYwithUncleCy Reasons why? I'm debating which to buy for a chainsaw mill right now. Thanks!
Hi Uncle Cy, g466 vs g660 which one is good for occational milling and firewood cutting
The 466 would be the better choice to accomplish both. However the 660 is better if you are doing more milling than firewood cutting. Hope that helps.
@@DIYwithUncleCy thanks. I am thinking 660 is more popular and parts easily avialable. I like 466
Wow. The 3 series saw sounded fantastic, very strong. Nice "crack" to the exhaust note. Reminded me of an old big 2 stroke dirt bike. It sounds like a pretty strong machine.
Just bought a G660. Owner's Manual says the oil to gas ratio is 50:1 and the back of the book says 25:1. Which one is correct?
50 to 1 you can also get away with 40 to 1 which is what I run in mine.
Tech at stihl said anything stihl old or new is ok with 50 to 1 using new oils.
45:1 to 40:1are both great ratio. Stihl sometimes has problems in a 50:1 ratio.
Never 50 to 1 on any saws. I don't care what the manual says. They don't last as long. 40 or 32 to 1 on stock saws. Ported saws no less than 32.
The 105 cc weighs 30 lbs?
With the 42 inch bar on it, it does.
Got some nice Chainsaws there - How many is that now 20 or more? I bet by the
time your my age you'll have more then 30... Haha! It's an addiction that you'll need a
12 step program to slow down your buying Frenzies down! : )
LOL actually I am up to 22. However it is still growing there is at least one more in the near future, possibly 2.
I figure at some point I will just do as you did and start giving them away, but I will give them to subscribers for channel landmarks. Look out I am getting close to 20K subs.
@@DIYwithUncleCy Well I hope you get to 50K subs before your old
enough to start giving them away! : )
You could almost top the trees with the 660 because of the bar length :)
That's only a 30 inch. For his mill he has a 47 inch bar for it.
You are awesome!
Like all of them myself. The 660 will be my new saw soon. As much as i like my big mac, i cant justify using it much. It has to much value to risk it. The 660 at that price, its hard to justify not buying one, and maybe a parts kit for " just in case" . The 66 is a pro saw ,hi compression, hi hp, + torque. 90+cc log eater. You made me do it Cy.hope your happy . Lol. I will be when it gets hear. China or no china this company has the science down to Art now. Now is the time to buy.
Stihl has the science down to an art, these are just copies. My next new saw will be a Chinese Stihl!!!
I got the husky clone to a 365 an I love it..
Will! Let it rev before ya hit the wood!
I kept telling him that too. LOL
What is the point of flipping them around and playing with them prior to cutting? As one who cut himself with one of these it seems a little flamboyant
That was just to show they stay running no matter which way they are oriented. It is not part of standard procedure.
It is standard procedure. Will nearly got a mouth full of tree with his non existent egress from the cut zone. That's what I saw.
This world is garbage with people like you in it.
Making sure he gets his Dutchman on a 12 ft tree lol.
Nice
Hey Unkle Cy.....
So tell me, did you have to assemble all of those klones? I've been watching a bunch of these klone vids. I would love an MS660. But like many viewers I kan not afford one. Also, how much did you pay when the smoke kleared? Thank you. I have just sub'd.
The assembled saws are blue, kits are blue or orange depending on what you choose.
What is your problem with the letter C?
Under patent laws if the original designer and manufacturer had their designs patented in the United States or any other country that would put a stop to all these copies of Stihl found these sold they can sue for copyright infringement and damages
Actually I looked into this when I first started dealing with them. US patents are not recognized in China, in fact any countries payents are not recognized by any other country unless they pass laws to recognize then. 2 since a of their clones are of discontinued models as long as they do not use the colors they are legal.
@@DIYwithUncleCy no wrong. Stihl or any other maker whom secure their designs, ideas etc and if granted protection in that nation then any copies based on that protected product will allow the original producer to sue for infringements. Casio G shock watches are successfully protected in the United States and here in New Zealand
There too exspensive you can have all of them
@@DIYwithUncleCy its only recognized if Stihl or whoever has applied for protection in China itself.
All these saws are out of patent... notice they dont copy the 441 or the 201 or the 661 for instance. After 20 years or less I cant remember the parents expire.
Bonzie cutting.
Chain to tight on the 388
Hes a confident one arm cutter boss
@Andrew Young True HAHA
That is a arborist / tree work saw for climbing etc..
I would go with a stihl but a awesome video
brand loyalty can be blinding. I bought a new Stihl recently and the thing would not start with any regularity. Very frustrating. I wanted a something reliable. Stihl FAILED.
Thomas H H your wrong Stijl is the best
The price of name brand saws is ridiculous that why people are searching for an alternative solutions. They just dont have the money and this model is discontinued.
Difference is that a Stihl pro saw runs 1500 hours, and these don’t. For someone who doesn’t use a saw professionally that’s fine, but for someone who uses a saw everyday, there is no way around an original Stihl, for a variety of reasons
How come none of the saws have their original bars instead they have Stihl Oregon and husky .
Would of been much nicer to see it perform with original part's.
Holzfforma saws do not come with bars, so I had to run them with what I had. I later acquired several different Holz bars and have other videos with them.
Sold without bar n chain.
He cud of easily took that tree to the face... lmmfao
They sound strong
Do you have a link for the biggest?
Just go to www.huztl.net and look for the G660. I believe they are out of stock now but are making more.
Good day Is that why they call it Holzfforma. Holyz means wood. To make it sound like it come from Germany, llike other 2 popular brands come from? I don't know Thanks
Quite possible that since they are clones of German saws that is their reasoning. Kinda like giving credit to the German design ya know.
Husqvarna isn’t German, it’s Swedish.
I have the yz62 but am having trouble finding a bar that fits right what bar do you have on your saw
I used a stihl bar. Seems to work fine so far.
I like that but it is scary that These saws are stihl fakes
copy.
@@akguy35tattoo i see you are excited about Stihl.
@@akguy35tattoo you are just too easy to mess with. Your chainsaw sucks!
@@crisprtalk6963 . BECAUSE !! THERE !! FULL !! OF !! P !! AND ! S !!
@@crisprtalk6963 AND !! CLONE !!
Kannst uns den link senden wo du die sägen gekauft hast ?
Oops I forgot to put that in the description will add it there too.
www.huztl.net/45-4cc-Holzfforma%C2%AE-Blue-Thunder-G255-Gasoline-Chain-Saw-Power-Head-Only-Without-Guide-Bar-and-Saw-Chain-All-Parts-Are-Compatible-With-MS250-MS230-MS210-025-023-025-Chainsaw-p715314.html
@@DIYwithUncleCy kein problem mach weiter so wie bisher finde deine videos gut mach weiter so lg
Those saws flatass rip
Why are there all blue?
They used to be orange, but that caused them to have even more issues in terms of importing and stuff. Being a less obvious fake helps out a lot
Where do you buy the holzfforma saws
Huztl.net
А кто эти бензопилы производит?
He must have an Asian wife
Do not buy a cheap Chinese knock off, if you want a good Chain Saw go out and spend the money for a STIHL. I have seen the cheap Chinese saw go bad I n 30 days of use. What had gone bad was the piston going right through the top side of the saw. No repair shops wouldn't fix it for the guy. Oh, the saw was a 661.
Yea if abused and you do not know how to make repairs for yourself they might be a pain, however I have had most of mine for nearly 2 years and only one has given me any problems and it has a scored piston which I can easily repair myself and I can order the part for about as much as it cost me gas to drive to a dealership, and I live in a city where there are several dealerships with in 10 min of me. So its really not about who made the saw as much as it is about the person using it, and what they know about how to tune one and repairing it when needed.
Copy stihl?
Yeah