I bought a 1919 Colt Police Positive in .32 for a steal, thinking it was just a cool old Colt to start collecting Colts as opposed to my usual S&Ws, but wow, the gun is a dream to shoot. Now every time I see a .32 listed for sale, I have to remember that I'm saving for other things and not just collecting random .32s! My brother has started teasing me about it, as anytime I send him a link to a gun for sale, he knows it's probably going to be a .32. It's a fantastic cartridge.
The "where reloading is banned" comment made me recall the reaction of some of the foreign military officers I've taken shooting when I explained that I made the ammo myself. I'm looking for a chance to get to the range and test my .308 bullets loaded in .303 Brit cases. Long story, short. I have a ton of .308 bullets and don't want to spend the $ to resupply my .311s .
You need to start casting and powder coating. Get 6 cavity molds and a bottom pour pot. Start with decent powder coat. An hour of labor will yield 4-600 bullets once you get your process sorted out. I'd send you a link, but a lot of the fat 30s like the Lyman 311041 mold and there is a guy on ebay who sells them as made by Lee in a 6 cavity block. Mine casts great and I use it in a bunch of 308 guns after pushing them through a sizer to 0.309". They drop at ~0.3115" so when you powder coat them, they are a perfect 0.312" as cast. I know a few SMLE guys who really like that bullet for the purpose. Also the 311299
Mike, another outlet for using .32 S&Ws (both "short" and long) on this side of the Atlantic is the .32-20 Winchester. I have used same in both my Winchester M92 SRC (loaded singly) and my 4th change S&W M1905 revolver. The case swells a little, but shoots reasonably close to POA at 15 yards. This practice was employed from the early 1900s thru WW2, as the correct ammo could not always be counted on being in stock in your local dry goods store back then.
Thanks so much for keeping firearms history alive. Sadly, it is becoming the same story here as well. A good .32-20 Winchester, AKA the .32WCF, is getting rarer than a cattlemen at a sheepherder's convention. A real shame, as everything it did "back in the day", it can still do today. A short, but informative treatise entitled "The Useful .32-20" written in 1917, by Maurice Decker, is a great read.
If you have a .327 Federal Magnum revolver, You can fire 5 types of ammo! Starting with .32S&W(short), .32ACP(7.65mm Browning), .32S&W long, .32H&R Magnum, and .327 Federal Magnum. Only issue is double action revolvers cylinder ejector stars slip over the .32ACP semi-rim fairly easy upon ejection. So Single Action revolvers do a lot better with the loading gate and single ejector rod.
Interesting you said the accuracy of the Fiocchi, had very similar results with a box of .38S&W recently. Did fine at 10yds, 15 it started to drop low and open up noticeably.
Neat. I really would want to get myself a Rast & Gasser 1898 but since 8mm Gasser rounds are not sold here I thought I can't do that. Good to know that .32 wadcutters seem to work. Thought I've still heard people say that they wouldn't recommend using them.
THANKS! I own a Nagant with 1 small box of Russian made surplus I have never shot as it is unobtanium once gone. BUT I DO have a coffeecan bought at a flea market, full of 32 SW brass and a mold for 32ACP bullets (77gr) You have given me evil ideas.!!!
@@vincedibona4687 not a word, it's a vertical emoticon popular in Asia (as opposed to how English-speaking nations typically orient things horizontally a là :) and the like). The whole phrase is an anime/furries/fanfiction/roleplaying meme/joke/trope The Internet is a weird place, friend
I can reload .32S&W long for about .04 cents (US) per round so long as I don't factor in my time to cast and to reload. In ten years of shooting .32s I have not yet bought any factory rounds.
I shoot it every week in ISSF CF match. Starline brass, 1.5gn of fairly fast burning powder, 98gn cast projectile and a remington small pistol primer. Loaded in a Dillon 550B. It's very accurate out of my Walther GSP
I suspect my in new condition in the box K frame 32 smith and wesson might do a tad better. I bought it new for my mother but she doesn't need it any more.
Republic of Ireland has effectively banned reloading. Why? Maybe for terrorism-related reasons. Which is funny because reloading is absolutely fine in Northern Ireland.
Ammunition control, taxing whatever you are allowed to buy, and make people desist of owning and using guns due to expenses and legal hassles. In Spain is not banned, technically speaking. But is indirectly taxed (you need an approved course and test, and approval of some quantities) and very tightly controlled (amount of primers and powder allowed per year is ridiculous of you shoot regularly, and can only have at home a fraction of that yearly allotment at one time).
Just for kicks I looked around a bit & .32 S&W Long Wadcutter ammo in the U.S. isn't much cheaper. . . . I found some at 44 cents per round (U.S.) At the exchange rate (almost equal) ours are only about 10 or 12 % cheaper.
I think ya'll for a Very Good and helpful video for those of us who have these revolvers! And I truly despise that brand of ammunition! I have had a Entire box of that crap keyhole at 15 ft. From my 7.62x38r Nagant and it was the nastiest fowling I had ever had in anything other than black powder. P.s. PPU is not much better in my humble opinion.
That was my experience with PPU 7.62 Nagant ammo. I could have a good group with original surpls ammo, yet the commercial crap is like buckshot at best. Not surprising since the commercial ammo is like 700fps while the original loading was like 1200 or 1300fps.
50 cents a round for .32 wadcutters. damn that is rough. mighty steep. what does other more common ammunition (9mm, 9 mak, 38spcl, etc) run you for comparison's sake?
38 spl you never see below about 0.28, 9mm can commonly be found for around 0.25, and for the first time in forever I've just seen some advertised for 0.18, which is crazy cheap for these days.
@@BlokeontheRange so about the same as here. thanks for the detailed response. i appreciate it. 32 wadcutter must just be high due to low demand then. usually in the 27-38 cent USD range 38 cents being the higher end stuff like magtech.
I have a 732 model Harrington and Richardson which shoots 32 Smith & Wesson bullets long and short my question is can I shoot a Harrington and Richardson 32 Magnum out of that gun please get back with me and let me know
Have a automatic pistol what chambers the .32 S&WL WC ( Walther GSP ) . As accurate as it can be I guess. Have also conversion kit to a .22 LR and to a rifle...
Gentlemen! I own an “odd ball” Mle 1892 revolver first year of manufacture by St. Etienne Arsenal, seems to be chambered in .32 S&W Long caliber. But this caliber was only introduced four years later in 1896! All of the proof marks are correct on the frame and cylinder. The only part that looks like later replacement is the barrel, 145mm long and cylindrical profile. I couldn’t fine any information about this chambering in Mle 1892 revolvers. Are there any known manufacturing record or military trial records of different calibers? Maybe black powder 8mm Ordnance had different dimensions compare to the modern version?
AFAK there are no military 92 revolvers in .32SWL. The very early BP loaded cartridges do not differ in external dimensions. The only other chambering was a 6mm Extra Long in a 12 shot training version of the revolver. I suspect yours received a new cylinder after it left service (and France) so that it could use easily available ammo. A bit like Webleys with shaved cylinders to take 45ACP.
@@thebotrchap I don’t think the cylinder is a foreign replacement. There is a crowned E stamp and extractor star is also stamped with a crowned E, although on a smaller scale. Every chamber is marked with number stamp from 1 to 6. Chamber ID is 8.6mm at the head with step down to 8.4mm at the 27mm depth, with overall length of the cylinder at 36.5mm. Those dimensions are smaller than a 8mm Ordnance cartridge. Even if this gun was re-arsenaled, it was done at St. Étienne. The finish grade and quality of the cylinder and the barrel are matching up the rest of the gun, and more likely than not aged together as one unit. The right side grip is so worn out, the majority of the surface is below escutcheon plate by 1.3mm. There is no checkering left. Just wondering what could be a story behind this gun?
@@thebotrchap You were right! I took the extractor out, and here they are hiding in a plane sight. The chambers were sleeved and reamed out to the proper 32 S&W Long chambering to match new barrel. The same way car mechanics fix an old engine block. The job was done so well it is almost impossible to spot. Anyway there are more 32s here states side than 8mm cartridges.
Hi there Bloke !! it is posible to obtain such results in a 41 long colt revolver with 38spl wadcutters? have shoot my colt army special with 38spl regular 158grain bullets they buldge and split and for shure they tumble all away the range but not tried the wadcutter yet ..nice experiment.
Only one way to find out! You might need to tape the back end of the case so it centres well enough to get a reliable primer strike, but again, only one way to find out! :)
If you do the math, in a 4 : bbl, weakly loaded .32S&W L is more owerful than .22 Mag, and everyone thinks it is adequate. Point is, its not what you shoot, its where you hit.
@@BlokeontheRange oh okay I assumed because the case of the .32 L wadcutter I believe is close to the .32 shots RLN in its full size although I have never compared the 2 side by side Thank you for your reply
I, being American, feel sorry for those in other countries who are so severely restricted as far as firearms go. Well, we on this side of the pond now have our Second Amendment and are so lucky our forefathers made that provision. But, in today’s world of insane people who have no moral compass do try to ruin it for the good guys who abide by the law. We are walking on eggshells a lot here lately and it really sucks. My dad left me his 32 S&W Long wit about a one or two inch barrel. It has hardly been shot and has a great bore but it sometimes “keyholes” even at ten or fifteen yards. It must be the Serbian ammo that I bought when I fired it the first time. I saved the hulls and intend to reload my own. Maybe I can do a little better with hand loads. That is a very nice range by the way with the sound-deadening cubicles. The range I go to is just wide open with only plywood dividers. It is intolerable to shoot on the end lane next to the block wall as the sound bounces off and penetrates the ear-pro sometimes. As I said, that is a nice range you have. Thanks.
The cutoff date for firearms is 1870, and is absolute. The 1900 date is for swords etc. Art. 2 ab.2 WG: Für antike Waffen gelten nur die Artikel 27 und 28 sowie die entsprechenden Strafbestimmungen dieses Gesetzes. Als antike Waffen gelten vor 1870 hergestellte Feuerwaffen sowie vor 1900 hergestellte Hieb-, Stich- und andere Waffen.
I bought a 1919 Colt Police Positive in .32 for a steal, thinking it was just a cool old Colt to start collecting Colts as opposed to my usual S&Ws, but wow, the gun is a dream to shoot. Now every time I see a .32 listed for sale, I have to remember that I'm saving for other things and not just collecting random .32s! My brother has started teasing me about it, as anytime I send him a link to a gun for sale, he knows it's probably going to be a .32. It's a fantastic cartridge.
You are so right! Those .32s are just too much fun to ignore!
The sound delay is like hearing someone throw darts.
Expectation - low
Aim - high
😉
It's funny, Fiocchi ammunition is sold as "premium" ammo on this side of the pond. "European Craftsmanship", lol.
Heh. It's not premium here, and some of the obsolete calibre stuff has some major QC issues (no powder, massively off-centre flash holes, all sorts).
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The "where reloading is banned" comment made me recall the reaction of some of the foreign military officers I've taken shooting when I explained that I made the ammo myself. I'm looking for a chance to get to the range and test my .308 bullets loaded in .303 Brit cases. Long story, short. I have a ton of .308 bullets and don't want to spend the $ to resupply my .311s .
You need to start casting and powder coating. Get 6 cavity molds and a bottom pour pot. Start with decent powder coat. An hour of labor will yield 4-600 bullets once you get your process sorted out. I'd send you a link, but a lot of the fat 30s like the Lyman 311041 mold and there is a guy on ebay who sells them as made by Lee in a 6 cavity block. Mine casts great and I use it in a bunch of 308 guns after pushing them through a sizer to 0.309". They drop at ~0.3115" so when you powder coat them, they are a perfect 0.312" as cast. I know a few SMLE guys who really like that bullet for the purpose. Also the 311299
If you have a tight bore (310) or even a standard/loose bore with strong rifling (311-312) you shouldnt have a problem
I love the random bullet holes in the panel above the shooting position.
Shows that some people are just terrible shots...
That audible delay between firing and impact at such a short range.
Mike, another outlet for using .32 S&Ws (both "short" and long) on this side of the Atlantic is the .32-20 Winchester. I have used same in both my Winchester M92 SRC (loaded singly) and my 4th change S&W M1905 revolver. The case swells a little, but shoots reasonably close to POA at 15 yards. This practice was employed from the early 1900s thru WW2, as the correct ammo could not always be counted on being in stock in your local dry goods store back then.
Thanks. .32-20's are very rare on this side of the pond, btw :)
Thanks so much for keeping firearms history alive. Sadly, it is becoming the same story here as well. A good .32-20 Winchester, AKA the .32WCF, is getting rarer than a cattlemen at a sheepherder's convention. A real shame, as everything it did "back in the day", it can still do today. A short, but informative treatise entitled "The Useful .32-20" written in 1917, by Maurice Decker, is a great read.
The target came back on the track faster than the bullet took to hit it😁
If you have a .327 Federal Magnum revolver, You can fire 5 types of ammo! Starting with .32S&W(short), .32ACP(7.65mm Browning), .32S&W long, .32H&R Magnum, and .327 Federal Magnum. Only issue is double action revolvers cylinder ejector stars slip over the .32ACP semi-rim fairly easy upon ejection. So Single Action revolvers do a lot better with the loading gate and single ejector rod.
@@danielleclare2938 it will fit and fire.
Interesting you said the accuracy of the Fiocchi, had very similar results with a box of .38S&W recently. Did fine at 10yds, 15 it started to drop low and open up noticeably.
Neat. I really would want to get myself a Rast & Gasser 1898 but since 8mm Gasser rounds are not sold here I thought I can't do that. Good to know that .32 wadcutters seem to work. Thought I've still heard people say that they wouldn't recommend using them.
THANKS! I own a Nagant with 1 small box of Russian made surplus I have never shot as it is unobtanium once gone. BUT I DO have a coffeecan bought at a flea market, full of 32 SW brass and a mold for 32ACP bullets (77gr) You have given me evil ideas.!!!
You can still get the Russian surplus fairly cheap. I just bought some for about 25 cpr.
Never Forget the revolver Charles Bronson brought back to NY in his suitcase in the original 1974 Death Wish Movie was a S&W Mod 31 in ,32 S&W Long.
I thouth that was a Colt Police Positive. I am going to have to watch that movie again
Nice old revolvers. Thanks
Always enjoyable and educational watching you two...keep up the great work!
"We expect this bulge"
_UwU what's this?_
What does "UwU" mean? I've never seen that word before.
@@vincedibona4687 not a word, it's a vertical emoticon popular in Asia (as opposed to how English-speaking nations typically orient things horizontally a là :) and the like).
The whole phrase is an anime/furries/fanfiction/roleplaying meme/joke/trope
The Internet is a weird place, friend
I can reload .32S&W long for about .04 cents (US) per round so long as I don't factor in my time to cast and to reload. In ten years of shooting .32s I have not yet bought any factory rounds.
reloading of .32 S&W L WC is difficult. My reloads make oval holes and are going deeper than factory Geco :-(
I shoot it every week in ISSF CF match. Starline brass, 1.5gn of fairly fast burning powder, 98gn cast projectile and a remington small pistol primer. Loaded in a Dillon 550B. It's very accurate out of my Walther GSP
I suspect my in new condition in the box K frame 32 smith and wesson might do a tad better. I bought it new for my mother but she doesn't need it any more.
So now to test .327 Federal!
That's a fancy range shirt bloke!
Looks like he nicked it from Lindybeige!
I use 32 SWL in my Webley 32 revolver.. great groups with 1.9 BA 9 1/2 and a swaged head..at 20 yards.
What's the purported logic to banning reloading? Ammunition control?
Good question...I'd actually like to know
Republic of Ireland has effectively banned reloading. Why? Maybe for terrorism-related reasons. Which is funny because reloading is absolutely fine in Northern Ireland.
Dont expect any logic. Some European countries have completely arbitrary firearm laws made by people who dont know a single thing about guns
Ammunition control, taxing whatever you are allowed to buy, and make people desist of owning and using guns due to expenses and legal hassles.
In Spain is not banned, technically speaking. But is indirectly taxed (you need an approved course and test, and approval of some quantities) and very tightly controlled (amount of primers and powder allowed per year is ridiculous of you shoot regularly, and can only have at home a fraction of that yearly allotment at one time).
First time I have seen you in the same room, I was starting to think it was like fight club.
I have a SPAM can of Nagant ammo that was run up in 1977. I wonder what their plans were for all those pistols?
Is it Russian-made? The Nagant is commonly used by security guards in Russia (older than the people carrying them).
Ahhh... but can .32cal wadcutters be loaded in .310-.314cal rifles for effective indoor gallery training????
Yes. Or .32 ACP bullets or similar.
Just for kicks I looked around a bit & .32 S&W Long Wadcutter ammo in the U.S. isn't much cheaper. . . . I found some at 44 cents per round (U.S.) At the exchange rate (almost equal) ours are only about 10 or 12 % cheaper.
.32 Acp doesn't work in Swiss Revolver? Munitionsdepot.ch has some self produced ammo in 7.5 Swiss ordnance.
Partisan 1. Mose 1:29 Errr no ‘cos 32ACP is a semi-rimed cartridge. 32SWL is faaaar cheaper than Muntionsdepot fodder.
The Chap semi-rimed is to small?
I think ya'll for a Very Good and helpful video for those of us who have these revolvers! And I truly despise that brand of ammunition! I have had a Entire box of that crap keyhole at 15 ft. From my 7.62x38r Nagant and it was the nastiest fowling I had ever had in anything other than black powder.
P.s. PPU is not much better in my humble opinion.
That was my experience with PPU 7.62 Nagant ammo. I could have a good group with original surpls ammo, yet the commercial crap is like buckshot at best. Not surprising since the commercial ammo is like 700fps while the original loading was like 1200 or 1300fps.
50 cents a round for .32 wadcutters. damn that is rough. mighty steep. what does other more common ammunition (9mm, 9 mak, 38spcl, etc) run you for comparison's sake?
38 spl you never see below about 0.28, 9mm can commonly be found for around 0.25, and for the first time in forever I've just seen some advertised for 0.18, which is crazy cheap for these days.
@@BlokeontheRange so about the same as here. thanks for the detailed response. i appreciate it. 32 wadcutter must just be high due to low demand then. usually in the 27-38 cent USD range 38 cents being the higher end stuff like magtech.
Can you do a video on removing leading from the barrel
Buy lead removal product. Follow instructions on packaging. Not really interesting enough for a video.
I have a 732 model Harrington and Richardson which shoots 32 Smith & Wesson bullets long and short my question is can I shoot a Harrington and Richardson 32 Magnum out of that gun please get back with me and let me know
That's actually pretty awesome for the Gasser.
It seems someone(s) shot at the ceiling. Many holes (black dots.. ) can be seen. A group make me think of a stray SMG burst...
Why did the French 1892 revolver cylinder swing out to the right? Was it still cool to be left handed, after Napoleon?
Have a automatic pistol what chambers the .32 S&WL WC ( Walther GSP ) . As accurate as it can be I guess. Have also conversion kit to a .22 LR and to a rifle...
Not even loading/unloading the Rast & Gasser with the Abadie trigger, huge disappointment ^^Jokes aside, very interesting.
Gentlemen! I own an “odd ball” Mle 1892 revolver first year of manufacture by St. Etienne Arsenal, seems to be chambered in .32 S&W Long caliber. But this caliber was only introduced four years later in 1896! All of the proof marks are correct on the frame and cylinder. The only part that looks like later replacement is the barrel, 145mm long and cylindrical profile. I couldn’t fine any information about this chambering in Mle 1892 revolvers. Are there any known manufacturing record or military trial records of different calibers? Maybe black powder 8mm Ordnance had different dimensions compare to the modern version?
AFAK there are no military 92 revolvers in .32SWL. The very early BP loaded cartridges do not differ in external dimensions. The only other chambering was a 6mm Extra Long in a 12 shot training version of the revolver. I suspect yours received a new cylinder after it left service (and France) so that it could use easily available ammo. A bit like Webleys with shaved cylinders to take 45ACP.
@@thebotrchap I don’t think the cylinder is a foreign replacement. There is a crowned E stamp and extractor star is also stamped with a crowned E, although on a smaller scale. Every chamber is marked with number stamp from 1 to 6. Chamber ID is 8.6mm at the head with step down to 8.4mm at the 27mm depth, with overall length of the cylinder at 36.5mm. Those dimensions are smaller than a 8mm Ordnance cartridge. Even if this gun was re-arsenaled, it was done at St. Étienne. The finish grade and quality of the cylinder and the barrel are matching up the rest of the gun, and more likely than not aged together as one unit. The right side grip is so worn out, the majority of the surface is below escutcheon plate by 1.3mm. There is no checkering left.
Just wondering what could be a story behind this gun?
@@thebotrchap You were right! I took the extractor out, and here they are hiding in a plane sight. The chambers were sleeved and reamed out to the proper 32 S&W Long chambering to match new barrel. The same way car mechanics fix an old engine block. The job was done so well it is almost impossible to spot. Anyway there are more 32s here states side than 8mm cartridges.
Hi there Bloke !! it is posible to obtain such results in a 41 long colt revolver with 38spl wadcutters? have shoot my colt army special with 38spl regular 158grain bullets they buldge and split and for shure they tumble all away the range but not tried the wadcutter yet ..nice experiment.
Only one way to find out! You might need to tape the back end of the case so it centres well enough to get a reliable primer strike, but again, only one way to find out! :)
"One is a double". Now you have to go to the wall and dig up all five bullets, Jan Kos.
Bottom hole was the double.
Just like my last girlfriend.
So, what about S&W .32 L round nose?
No idea. can't get any to try. Probably won't work as well.
If you do the math, in a 4 : bbl, weakly loaded .32S&W L is more owerful than .22 Mag, and everyone thinks it is adequate. Point is, its not what you shoot, its where you hit.
@12:10 did I hear the Father Ted's housekeeper? Go on go on go on 😆
Can you fire .32 long wadcutter in a .32 s&w short revolver??
No, cos the case is deliberately too long to do so.
@@BlokeontheRange oh okay I assumed because the case of the .32 L wadcutter I believe is close to the .32 shots RLN in its full size although I have never compared the 2 side by side
Thank you for your reply
Interesting experiment. Bloke's teeth are very white, 'Hammond' like even.
Another place to not be standing! lol
Fiocci is the one dislike.
@10:01 - just like my last girlfriend.
I, being American, feel sorry for those in other countries who are so severely restricted as far as firearms go. Well, we on this side of the pond now have our Second Amendment and are so lucky our forefathers made that provision. But, in today’s world of insane people who have no moral compass do try to ruin it for the good guys who abide by the law. We are walking on eggshells a lot here lately and it really sucks. My dad left me his 32 S&W Long wit about a one or two inch barrel. It has hardly been shot and has a great bore but it sometimes “keyholes” even at ten or fifteen yards. It must be the Serbian ammo that I bought when I fired it the first time. I saved the hulls and intend to reload my own. Maybe I can do a little better with hand loads. That is a very nice range by the way with the sound-deadening cubicles. The range I go to is just wide open with only plywood dividers. It is intolerable to shoot on the end lane next to the block wall as the sound bounces off and penetrates the ear-pro sometimes. As I said, that is a nice range you have. Thanks.
it is probably a 1.875 inch barrel. either a model 30 or 31. good gun. Buffalo Bore has some self defense rounds for it that are safe to shoot in it.
In terms of owning a firearm that predates the 1900s, does the Swiss government grant exceptions for licensing.
Nope
The cutoff date for firearms is 1870, and is absolute. The 1900 date is for swords etc.
Art. 2 ab.2 WG: Für antike Waffen gelten nur die Artikel 27 und 28 sowie die entsprechenden Strafbestimmungen dieses Gesetzes. Als antike Waffen gelten vor 1870 hergestellte Feuerwaffen sowie vor 1900 hergestellte Hieb-, Stich- und andere Waffen.
Danke. Sehr interessant. Wieso eigentlich 1870?
Wheelguns...ugh.
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