Buffalo Bore Wadcutters- .32 S&W Long VS .38 Special
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- In snub nose revolvers, testing out the Buffalo Bore hard cast wadcutter ammunition in .32 S&W Long and .38 Special. The .32 S&W Long is a standard pressure 100 gr hard cast wadcutter and the .38 Special is a standard pressure 150 gr hard cast wadcutter. Always appreciative of any channel help :) www.patreon.com/user?u=5828221
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Thank You so much, Sam! As a former military surgeon with ample experience in trauma management as well as the terminal ballistics of wounding, I find your "Jug-orNot" technique both practical and appropriate. I had already decided to use 100gr S&W Long hard lead wadcutters in my wife's 327 LCR for self defense because of the minimal recoil and you have vindicated my decision! Keep it up! I've become sort of a .32 afficionado with several revolvers and a Henry carbine in 327 Fed Magnum.
The 32 caliber just keeps surprising me !
I have nothing but good to say about Buffalo Bore. They have always lived up to and exceeded my expectations.
Lucky Gunner Ammo has also a video about .32 revolvers and came to the conclusion that its the best caliber for a snubnose revolver. "Why the Best Snub Nose Caliber is .32"
I did a video about that too. Where I stated what the best handgun cartridge is for carry. I said .327 Mag, and the simplified answer is that it has 9mm terminal ballistics and then some, more accurate and easy to shoot at any range and less recoil than .357 Magnum, all while fitting in the pocket.
Thank you for these .32 S&W Long tests! It's one of my favorite cartridges for all the reasons you've discovered in your tests. I always suspected it would hold its own against similar .38 spl loads, but with lighter recoil and typically an extra shot on board. Glad to see .32 S&W Long getting the respect it deserves. There's a reason it was pretty much the #2 choice in Law Enforcement circles behind the .38 spl. for many years. Simply put, it works and isn't punishing to shoot.
Thanks for watching. I hope to do a lot more .32 caliber tests.
I have a feeling .32 Long is going to make a comeback over the next 10 years as a self defense round.....just a hunch.
I dunno. Revolvers in general are pretty low on the scale of popularity, now if the .327 Mag starts to take off again, I could see the .32 Long start to get popular as it's a great target round, turns the recoil into a .22!
@@GunSam I think people are going to start gravitating to the .327 more with things like 7 shot snubbies. Charter Arms came out with a 7 shot 3" barrel .32 H&R magnum. Also idk why so many people are focusing on capacity of semi autos. Every time I draw from the holster I can do it much quicker with a chunky revolver handle than with a semi auto. That with the fact that if someone is already in my face there is no slide to go out of battery. I just feel more comfortable for close encounters with a simple revolver. I stick to Rugers and Charters for as few moving parts as possible.
@@cultofmalgus1310 the revolver is a great "night gown" gun. Have to respond the a situation you can still fire off a cylinder from a hammerless snubby in a large pocket.
I’m glad I purchased a hundred rounds of the Buffalo 🐃 Bore 38 Special wad cutters. You gotta love 💕 Buffalo Bore.
Pleased to see another .32 &.38 video. As a long-time fan of the .38 who discovered the .32 last year, I am still learning and experimenting with .32 loads. Your videos add to my information baseline. Thanks Sam.
Thank you and thanks for watching!
I love the hard cast WC as carry load! And yes I carry reloads and I have never seen anyone charged criminally for doing so!
I really wish Ruger would make the LCRx 3” in .327 federal mag. I think that would be a great kit gun/trail gun.
MightyMerc I wrote to them and asked them about this. They have no plans to make this gun. Guess they don’t want make money!
Agreed. I am interested in the 3" 38 Spl, but one of those would be nice also
@@KarmaFlight at the end of the day they base it on sales and my bet is .32 caliber is not selling well enough for their liking which sucks because I really do love .32s
I want a Ruger LCR in .32 H&R Magnum, with 6 shots in the .38 +P frame. It would save 3.5 ounces over the .327 Fed, without an increase in recoil. Even better loaded with .32 S&W.
I had hoped that Smith & Wesson would bring back the 632 in .327 magnum for the same reasons. I wish the .32 family was improved the same way the 9mm was in the 90s.
hi Gun Sam greetings from a fellow (former soon to be again) Michigander! The first Handgun I fired in my youth was a Revolver. I became near expert with it as I fired it constantly, I got to the point where at close range I could shoot out the 3 points on a playing card (clubs). I then became a huge advocate of Auto Pistols. As the years have gone by I got back into Revolvers. I have always been a HUGE fan of the .32 Cal family of Cartridges. I have TWO .32 S+W LOng Revolvers BOTH are 3 inch Barrels. I have long known the advantages of Wadcutters. Buffalo Bore makes excellent ammo and I mainly carry Wadcutters in my .32,s. I wish Ruger would make their LCR .32 w/ a 3 inch barrel but since they offer the sp101 in that configuration I doubt they will. As I reload I LOVE that Revolvers do NOT hurl the brass all over when fired especially when you consider I reload for .32 S+W LONG. As a side note I have for my EDC a Kel-tec p32. Here in Florida it is a very practical choice given the hot weather. LOVE your videos! What part of Mich are you in may I ask?
Thank you. I guess most people would say i'm somewhere in the middle of the state.
Nice video and results! Glad I recently bought a .32H&R Magnum Charter Arms revolver. Very easy recoil indeed.
Interesting results. Thanks for dosing this comparison, and posting the content.
I have been using the rimrock .32 100 gr wadcutter for years in my s&w model 31 2" snub with 2.5 bullseye. Great bullet! Much better than a .22.
Very nice video. Just picked up a little Smith 32. Ordered a bunch of these based on your video. Thanks
Both are great, I have both, I really like 32 long, buffalo bore makes a 112 gr flatt nose that is amazing give it try, very nice small game round.
Thanks Sam, just got through watching a Paul Harrell video before I watched yours. He has great content and so do you. I have become such a revolver fan thanks to people like you. BTW I have always wanted a Ruger Blackhawk in 357 and I got me one the other day. Going shooting today!!
Thank you. H ave fun with that, the only single action I have ever owned was a .22 Magnum.
@GunSam I always preferred double action but trust me, single actions are an addiction all on their own. Especially the big boomers.
Thanks to these video's I've spent my stimulus check on a Ruger LCR X in 327 Magnum and a variety of ammo in the 32 family..... I got a box of Buffalo Bore 32 HR+P Hard Cast Keith to try... and carry out in the yard for wild animals that may attack.. BB rates it at 1125 fps and 365 ft # and say it works against Black Bear. BB seems to be the up and coming Ammo maker.
I believe their numbers. I think the one .32 H&R+P round of theirs I did test which was the 100 gr JHP, was above rated velocity and like 350 ft lbs energy for me even in this snub.
LCR owner here. Had mine for years now and LOVE it. Those .32 H&R +P Hard Cast Keith are my go to for EDC in Winter when heavy clothing would just clog up a hollow point and make it perform like an FMJ round. Great choice.
I’ve been a fan for a bit but was brought to the .32 by Lucky Gunner’s .32 videos. It took me a while to find a nice S&W 32 J-frame. Found a snub in the local pawnshop for trade and then a NIB 3” J-frame online. I bobbed the hammer and smoothed the trigger face on the snub. Badger Grips and it’s good to go. The only downside is you have to be really diligent in your maintenance in hot/humid environments. After some yard work, a good bit of Ballistol comes in handy to neutralize the sweat. I’ve learned to not wait to spray it down to avoid rust. A Ruger may soon be my summer yard work carry revolver.
Funny thing with the rust, and I actually had a friend prove this to me- that if you live in a humid environment all year round, which I do here in Michigan, it's almost as if your steel adapts to it. I had a friend bring all his guns from Colorado where there's little humidity, and they all started to rust on day one while the guns already here would not. Just a funny thing probably not supported by science, but I saw it happen!
I wonder if a bit of car wax might help prevent rust.
One quite well spoken, highly respected individual on UA-cam said the other day that wadcutters should NOT be considered for self defense or anything outside punching targets. When I heard that, I was like PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT
I didn't see whatever that video was or who it was. Now I do know from experience that wadcutter airgun pellets will really slam something down with some knockdown power, more so than other designs. So I would assume this would transfer over to larger creatures with larger wadcutters.
@@GunSam Here's the video. ua-cam.com/video/fepboDqkLUU/v-deo.html
I have to question the judgement of anyone that says the WC is not suitable for defensive use. I think Sam has shown repeatedly that it can indeed be very effective.
Another excellent video and comparison Sam, thanks again!
Thank you.
Awesome test, Sam. Thanks much for doing these. I can't get over how Buffalo Bore can load a 150 grain projectile to standard pressure in a 38 spl cartridge and still get over 900 fps from a 2" snubbie! If only Federal or Winchester or Remington or Speer could accomplish this... But oh, well, at least we have Buffalo Bore and Underwood to provide decent performance for our short barrel 38 Specials.
Thank you. I don't know what Buffalo Bore does to get these velocities. I think it could be done on stock off the shelf powders, but who knows if they mix their own or something.
This is old. But most manufacturers load cases to low to mid saami spec pressures. BB loads to max .in the case of 38 special and similar rounds. There is tons of space for I little extra powder
@@GunSam Sam I understand they do in fact blend powders. Buffalo Bore that is...
Nice demonstration, informative as alway's. Gotta get me a .32 .
Thank you. They are really fun to shoot around with for sure.
Very nice video sir. You are the master of revolver. You clears the concept very well. Fully satisfying video. I keep .32 revolver.
Thanks!
Great video, Sam. I'm intrigued by the wadcutter. Saw some 32 S&W Wadcutters at my local hardware shop, but didn't purchase. This video makes me think it's a handy round to have in my stash.
The wadcutter is great but these are hard cast buffalobore watcutters with a little extra speed behind them. A lot of standard off the shelf wadcutters will greatly outperform 22lr but you'll be looking at closer to 8"-10" penetration. It's not uncommon for 32 wadcutters in a snubby to be 580fps-700fps and that 800+ is where the magic really happens for self defense. For punching paper, squirrels, rabbits, grouse and ground hog the 32 wadcutters are all fantastic
One thing I have noticed is that penetration is not always proportional to velocity even with minimal or non-expanding bullets. Lower velocity rounds must be retaining enough momentum to still have adequate penetration but sacrificing some tissue damage early in the wound track. Still some advantage to respectable velocity but maybe not as critical as one might expect.
you make great informative videos. thanks
Thanks to you, I'm really starting to like the 32/357 Fed Mag more and more. Though I wouldn't like to use the Buffalo Bore in my older I frame Smith do to their higher pressure. I'm saving up for The Ruger 327 Fed Mag like yours.
I really dig how both the .38 and the .32 showed an imprint of the denim material in the post mortem. Keep doing you, brother. It's a great presentation.
Thanks! Will do!
Another interesting video, Sam. Looks like both rounds offer exceptional performance and would be decent trail gun loads.
Thanks. Yes I think rounds like this take out the guesswork. We know it's more damaging than a FMJ but also as good of penetration.
Great Video! I sometimes carry the .32 long cartridge. Could you do a video comparing several other .32 longs…Sellier & Belliot 100 Gr. LRN ( this one is rated at 886 fps) & the Buffalo Bore Wadcutter, & a MagTech Wadcutter, against (2 ) .380 autos (one HP and one FMJ)…? In ballistic gel this time.
I love the 32 Smith and Wesson long cartridge and would be really interested to see some other rounds compare that aren’t quite as expensive as Buffalo Bore while also seeing how the .32 stacks up against the .380. Thank you so much Sam.
have been thinking about ordering some buffalo bore 32SWL for an H&R #732 snubby, thanks! this helped me decide i think i will order some of that stuff it looks good and i dont think its over an pressured load is what i was concerned about! good stuff
But BB now has both their .32 longs listed as Sold 0ut fir the last few months.
That 38 packed a pretty good punch
This is the video I’ve been on the lookout for. I was guessing that extra velocity in BB would give it about 2” extra penetration over other .32 wadcutters. Looks like a great option for the recoil sensitive.
Very well done video.
Got a s&w 4”in 32cal. Love that gun absolutely love it, but ammunition is all but non- existence in my part of country, if you can find it it’s .90 a round. Crazy
32 long is great fun to shoot, shoots straight and I would not like to be hit by one.
Thanks Sam, I really enjoy your videos and the "Jug-or-Not" is genius at work. Could you elaborate a bit on your experience with the 38 Special recoil? How would you say it compares to your typical 125-130 FMJ/CMJ type rounds?
Well done video!
Thanks!
Another good one, thanks.
I carry a ruger 327 with 32 long. Easy to shoot with great penetration
Yes I have found it a great shooting cartridge.
Check out Magtech 98grain .32 S&W Long semi-jacketed HP. Nice expansion from such a mild shooting round.
Randy Souse-Git using buffalo bore. Much better against bone without over penetration
I consider most wad cutters as a viable, low recoil self-defense option for light weight snub noses. However, as your video demonstrates, the BB .38 lived up to it reputation as being hotter than the norm, looked like you were almost shooting +P. So considering that and the fact that wad cutters are a little harder to load would lead me to rule that cartridge out for me. Now, the .32, that was impressive considering the recoil you reported. Very informative video, keep up the good work!
Thank you. It's funny how low recoil they really are, I would not have expected that getting into .32 Long.
WCs in the cylinder and SWCs in the speed loader.
Great video.
good video with a little bit more of velocity I might have to get me some of that buffalo bore 38 Special wad cutter
Please do a video of YOUR fav carry rounds/weapons. TY!
I have thought about it. I have several guns I carry and keep for defense and each has it's own ammo as no ammo manufacturer makes the best ammo across the board. I have Federal ammo in a couple of revolvers, Speer in a couple others. I have Remington in some handguns too. Interestingly enough there's none of my handguns sporting Hornady ammunition even though I have a lot of it.
Would you consider comparing the 22 Magnum to one of the .32 caliber cartridges?
Very good info. I have some 2" Cobras, one of which is a 32. Good to know the wadcutters work well. I load hardcast wadcutters to about the same velocity as your test. The 32 would make an excellent ladies gun. She would not develop a flinch.
My mother is 70 and wants a gun now. I am pointing her towards a 3" SP101 in .327 Magnum loaded with .32 S&W Long wadcutters or SJHP's. Possibly .32 H&R Mag ammo in it.
@@GunSam I have a SP101, too. It is a lot heavier than the other snubbies. A good car gun, or bedside gun. Not so good in the pocket.
@@GunSamquestion brother, why no interest in 380 for your mom? Torn between this or 380 for my wife, your answer will help me make the choice, thanks
I'd like to see the two different Buffalo Bore .32 longs compared - the wadcutter u used here, and their 115gr semi wadcutter .32 long, and then compare those with a non BB .32 magnum.
Wow! Who know a 32 long would do that? I load Missouri Bullet Co. wadcutters into .327 brass, they are shooting ~800fps out of my Ruger SP101 4" barrel. Now I know they are good for more than target practice!
Great video. Interesting and useful information. I am looking for a low recoil revolver for practice that can double as self defense when required. I was researching 22mag but the 32 seems like a good center fire option. Now I compare cost and availability then make decision. Your thoughts are welcome as well. Keep vids coming, they are fun and useful.
Thank you. I would say that a .327 Mag or .32 H&R revolver is not a bad option as both can fire .32 S&W Long ammo, and .32 S&W Long seems to always have ammo available somewhere with a price that's not too bad. There's not a lot of .32 H&R Mag target ammo if any, neither is there for .32 S&W(short). The .327 Mag has practice ammo but that's a lot of recoil. The .32 S&W Long almost exclusively comes in 50 round boxes of target ammo, all for around $20 a box. Maybe 10-20% more cost than .38 Special, but not enough difference to be a deal breaker.
If you scour the interwebs you can find a surprising variety of .32 S&W Long offerings and .32 H&R Magnum as well. I wouldn't say it is economical compared to 9mm or .38spcl. Handling would be better, though and you can match or come near the performance of 9mm or .38spcl without sacrificing manageability as much.
If you've no plans to shoot .32 H&R +P or .327 Federal, check out the Charter Arms Professional. A 7 shot, .32H&R revolver with a 3" barrel, a 22oz weight to help soak up a bit more recoil than an LCR (17oz), and a great sight picture with a wide rear notch and green lightpipe up front. DA/SA via a traditional revolver hammer. It's not as concealable as an LCR, but it has a great handling feel that is well balanced. I'm strongly considering one to add to my collection. It's a very nice piece.
I like Buffalo Bore because it sounds cool. The fact that it is decent ammo is a bonus.
They seem to have the most consistent velocity compared to all other ammo, plus their crimps and rated velocity are better than most.
Could you redo these in gel?
wish the shooting world would replace .22 LR with .32 S&W long. Never gonna happen but I can dream.
It makes sense to in some regard, but then again i'm not sure how well it would perform if they made a .32 S&W Long semi auto pistol.
The semi-automatic pistols in .32 S&W Long are in the realm of the ISSF 25 meter. Reliable, but massively expensive.
this is most common calibre in India in India top break revolvers r avaialable penetration is more in 32 acp but expansion is more in revolver.
Great amazing Video
Buffalo Bore seems to be good ammo, whats your opinion on the sp101 2 inch 327 fed mag for concealed carry?
I carried a .357 Mag 2" SP101 at one point, so it's a good gun. The advantage of the SP101 over the LCR is you can carry more powerful ammo to soak up recoil easier. The downside is you really can't pocket carry it as where an LCR you can.
Amazing !!!!
Find an old 4" Colt Police Positive or S&W in 32 long and do some small game hunting???!
I have an old S&W 12-2 with the aluminum frame. I know to never shoot +p ammo in her. Do you think this load would strain it at all, or would it be ok?
If I had to guess, buffalo bore standard pressure is just as hard on a gun as typical+p. There's more than just pressure at work. Heavy recoil/power really slams the parts like the crane around. Aluminum on aluminum is probably not good with that much jolting around.
In a Snub revolver I personally LOVE the .327 Fed Mag Ruger LCR and recommend this caliber as a "family" first center fire handgun. Why? Novice and recoil shy shooters can easily handle the S&W .32 Long cartridge (about the same recoil as 22 Mag with a smoother trigger and Buffalo Bore makes an outstanding wadcutter load), while the full power .327 Gold Dot is more manageable than a .357 Mag recoil wise for the more experienced shooter.
.32 Long is the most overlooked best cartridge. A cheap .32 wadcutter is effective for all purposes.
I don’t feel like there is any reason to use the Buffalo bore over the Winchester super x 148 grain wad cutter. It’s diminishing returns after like 800 fps. You don’t need more penetration and your just increasing recoil and cost. You can pick up 50 rounds for $50 for Winchester vs $45 for 20 for Buffalo Bore.
38 with buffalo bore wadcutter is my EDC.
+Gun Sam_Revolver Aficionado_ curious to know which you would prefer over the other.. the Buffalo Bore Standard Pressure 150 gr hard cast wadcutter or Hornady Critical Defense +P 110 Grain FTX? Thank you
For self Defense it's going to be the Critical Defense.
@@GunSam thank you
@@GunSam if I understand correctly, the difference between the standard pressure critical defense vs the +P is that the standard penetrates deeper where the +P causes a bigger wound channel? If that’s the case, which would you choose as your EDC? Thank you
Love your stuff, Sir. Need to ask, are you aware of any ballistic gel tests for the old .38 S&W? I've a Police Positive in that caliber, carry it with Buffalo Bore, and am curious to know more of its potential--or lack thereof.
.38 S&W is incredibly similar to .38 Special. Any of the 158 gr or 200 gr .38 Special LRN tests I've done will replicate most .38 S&W performance. As far as buffalo bore goes, I can't comment exactly on how similar that is to .38 Special.
I don't know of any .38 S&W tests
@@GunSam
Well, your hasty response is not unappreciated. Thanks.
Do you plan on testing any 32acp? How does it compare to 32 long?
Higher pressure usually better penetration.
I have thought about it, just have put it off for the most part.
Hey Sam, how would the buffalo bore recoil be out of lite weight 38 sp? Thanks
I didn't fire it from one, but have fired similar rounds in one. Basically, if you have fired a .357 mag in a steel snubby, that's what a super hot .38+p feels like in an airweight .38.
@@GunSam ok, I think this was a standard pressure load, I was wanting to try some lower recoil wadcutters and these are about the only wadcutters available right now. Probably not what l want. Thanks Sam keep up the good work so as them old coon have plenty of cold cuts
Great test and comparison. I was thinking maybe a smaller frame for that .32 swl . Wasn't there an I frame at one time?
Thank you. Going off my memory I think, but am not sure, that it was Colt that had something called that, but maybe S&W did too.
Yes, there was an I Frame. I have the cutest circa 1918 S&W Hand Ejector on 32 and with Buffalo Bore in it she can be nasty if she needs to!
@@weinerexplosion Hey Billy, Was that a type with break action ejection ? I always thought the Schofield style ejection was a great design. I can see how a small revolver in that caliber be nasty . I have a NAA guardian in 32acp. That is rougher than anything I have , maybe because it is a one finger grip?
@@mikunan Hi. No, it's a small solid frame.The top break actions are cool, I agree, but you can only fire very mild ammo in them, never this Buffalo Bore stuff and Buffalo Bore has same warning on their website
@@weinerexplosion Thanks, so it is just smaller than J frames with the same ejector and swing out cylinder?
The Pyramid builders that said to use wad cutters for self defense appear to have known something.
The 38 seems to hard and to fast for (2) legged Varmits.
The softer lead @ 7-800 Fps would work better.
The accuracy of a soup can through a revolver is noted.
Loading your 38 for Bear with Buffalo Boar as a trail gun is one of the magics of the 38/ 357 revolver. Copper plated Wad Cutters can be pushed by hand loaders.
Are you getting a commission for each viewer that buys a 32 ?
You are convincing people that the 32 is not useless.
The 32 seems to be the perfect Urban caliber.
No commission lol, but I have heard at least 20 people tell me that they bought or are going to buy a .32 caliber revolver based solely on my videos alone lol.
Which company 32 revolver you used?
Ruger
Hey Sam, got yourself an Epoch Times Ad to start your video. Good for you. I read them myself. Now I'm going to reply to myself in case you want to delete it. I'm going to cut and paste, a problem I have, with a certain firearms manufacturer. I'm going to do this on every channel I sub to. If you chose to delete it people can guess who that manufacturer is. I'm sure they will get it right.
Bought a 1911 Remington last 4th of July weekend. 75 dollar rebate. After going around the block for 10 months I got the check today at 4:45 pm. It expires on May 8th. Today is May 8th. Their reason is " They are not responsible for the U.S. Mail".
i have an old 32 sw long, made by h & r, i think with this type wadcutter round, it would make a decent pocket revolver'
Same here...HR 7 stubby...was my grandmothers...great pocket carry with 7 rounds
Ty
Great video again... that 38sp is just a good round.. might not be the best but a good round...
It sure is
Little known fact about the origins of the 38 Special cartridge; Moses brought it down from Mt. Sinai along with the 10 Commandments.
Enjoy your videos. This is not a criticism but isn’t the 32 HR magnum more on par with the 38 special rather than the 32 HR Long?
It's an interesting thing. Yes .32 H&R is typically more in the standard pressure .38 Special energy range, yet when comparing the evolution of calibers, .32 S&W Long is more along the lines of the same history and current available ammo as what the .38 Special is. It's pretty fair timing of history to compare .32 S&W to .38 Short Colt, .32 S&W Long to .38 Special, .32 H&R Magnum to .357 Magnum and .327 Federal Magnum to .357 Maximum. I left out .38 Long Colt, but the .38 Long Colt really isn't anything other than a heavier version of the .32 Short Colt. Anyhow, the .32 H&R Magnum seems to be left out a lot in history and as well as left out in ammunition manufacturing. You see 10 times the amount of ammo variety with .32 S&W Long as you do with .32 H&R Magnum.
Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ some of the conversion cylinders for .36 Caliber (Navy’s) cap and ball revolvers take 38 long Colt (cowboy loads) not cheap ammo by any means. Has to be a hollow based bullet as the navy cylinders are in the .375 range. I think you can use hollow based wadcutters also but not sure.
I’m a retired LEO and was issued a SW Model 10. Speed loaders for duty carry were not issued or available for several years after being sworn in used loose round dump pouches and a six shot loop on my gun-belt. Loved that gun but was unable by regulation to purchase it when in 1993 we transitioned to semi-autos. I also carried a Model 36 Chief’s Special off duty. And was issued a Chief’s Special when I was a Plainclothes Officer. I live in an unfree state and have to carry EDC Federally (LEOSA) a semi auto as that is what I qualified with. I would like to see a test of the Underwood loading of the Lehigh Defense Extreme Defense bullet I know they are expensive but about the same as any defense ammo. Like your videos keep up the good work.
Lots of Michiganders here. Can you tell us where you buy the ammo if you buy it locally. Unless it’s your secret spot. Lol. Ammos hard to find these days. I’ve been looking hard for a sig vcrown 115g jhp short barrel test for months. None exists. 124g only. I carry the 115g in my g2c.
I purchase 90% of my ammunition online despite having local stores, I do it that way because I always do "VS" tests, but it's rare to find both of what i'm looking for in stores, so I just go to Midwayusa or Targetsportsusa for most of my ammo.
Have you done 327mag vs 357mag
I have tested several rounds of them side by side, but not with wadcutters and those don't seem to be a thing in .327 and .357, and I also have not done Buffalo Bore VS Buffalo Bore in those calibers, but I did test Speer Gold Dot and several others.
@@GunSam
Hand load some wad cutters for them.
I’d like to see those Buffalo bore vs Fed HST 38 spcl
I have done a video with the HST. The HST basically parachutes out to .70"+ and stops in jug 2. They are not comparable at all plus the energy of the HST is about half of this Buffalo Bore round.
@@GunSamGood data, thanks!
Actually not bad results. Viable self defense in bad situation. Maybe better than jhp that fails to perform in a snubby.
I have a small 6-shot pink Charter Arms .32 h&r magnum revolver. I can't say that i have maximum faith in its construction. I also have Buffalo Bore .32 S&W long wadcutters. On BB's website they say that it is safe in any modern revolver or even old revolvers, but the people at Charter Arms said on the phone that i must not use BB, the magnum OR even the long. Their words: It might result in "catastrophic failure". So now I'm afraid to shoot it. Should I be?
I would trust Buffalo Bore more than Charter Arms. Charter Arms also says no +P in .38 Special on a regular basis and they have some ballistic claim that's a lie, about how in a snub you gain nothing with +P ammo anyways so don't use it. Personally, I might not use the .32 H&R as Buffalo Bore's .32 H&R is very hot, but their .32 Long isn't hot at all. ua-cam.com/video/mUClX22Kwkw/v-deo.html
@@GunSam Thank you. That's what i was thinking too. The gun is called an H&R magnum so a long should be good even if it's a BB. Actually I have already used BB long in their .32 - the first gun - it has already been replaced and repaired 3 times! - and it worked fine except the shells jammed tight in the cylinder, but then so did everything including longs.
I'd like it if Ruger - a much better quality gun - made a lightweight - like their .38 or maybe even lighter - dedicated .32 LCR, not the heavier .327.
How did the recoil of the 38 sp compare to the Hand loads you did on the last video ? Thanks can you tell what powder was used . Unique is the fastest powder I have used .. works good .
I don't know what powder was use, I really didn't pay attention to the smell or anything lol, sometimes I can tell based on that. I would assume it was a fast burning hot powder based on a lot of smoke with a hard cast, as it's difficult to heat a hard cast to start smoking one that easy. Recoil from what I recall was maybe like an average .38 Special+P. It wasn't much though, barely felt any recoil but because the bullet was relatively heavy I did feel a little muzzle jump, which is less of a feel than sheer energy/powder recoil.
@@GunSam When I shoot unique I can see unburnt grains in the barrel sometimes , > flat round flakes .
A great little secret is the S&W 30-1 can have the cylinders bored out to H&R Magnum. There is definitely enough material in the cylinder to remain extremely safe.
Hard cast lead bullets are great penetrators,,
Great video...I've been wanting to know the FPS for the Buffalo Bore 32 s&w long (hard cast wadcutter 100 gr) from a ruger LCR (820) for awhile so thanks! On another topic, you were worried about over penetration (pushed by the FBI)...that is 99.5% B.S.....the reason being that with police shootings (they can't hit Jack on the first shot) you don't hear a lot...or anything about people hit by a bullet the police missed with...adequate penetration is much more important IMHO.
Please, don't use anymore water jugs but ballistic gelatine blocks as you do now.
Bad, bad Leroy Brown had a .32 gun in his pocket for fun and a razor in his shoe.
I have always felt that wadcutters might be quite effective if cast a bit soft and loaded to full velocity. They would probably expand a little (38 expanding to, say, 48-50 cal, just a bit less than the old LSWCHP's), and make an effective hole. BB also makes full wadcutter "antipersonnel" loads in 44 Spl and 45 Colt, and they tend toward the heavy side 250 and 260 gr i think). Those sound quite interesting. They need to be full power though, not target level handloads. There is more than 1 story of a person walking into an ER with 5 or 6 of those lodged in their chest, not far under the skin. No thanks. Lead bullets seem to be good at smashing bones too.
It seems to me that even though these are both target loads, the 38Spl would be quite usable for self defense. It seemed to carry enough energy to produce an exit wound. Two holes are better than one! ;-)
The 32 I would just leave it as a target shooter. I bet the velocity was rated for a 6" target revolver barrel.
These are actually marketed as defense rounds pretty much. Here's what BB themselves say: Item 20D utilizes a very hard cast 150gr. WAD CUTTER bullet. The bullet is made hard, so it won't deform or mushroom. It cuts/crushes a "cookie cutter", full diameter hole in human flesh just like it does on a paper target. It penetrates deeply (roughly 14 to 16 inches in human tissue) and its full diameter profile maximizes blood loss as it cuts and crushes (not slips or slides) its way through tissue. Although I've never been shot with a full profile wad cutter bullet, I must assume that the initial impact of that wide flat nosed bullet, is crushingly formidable. As a teenager, I took to the woods on a regular basis and killed many a critter with heavily loaded 38SPL wadcutters'. The effect of a full profile wad cutter on small game was obvious and amazing, compared to regular round nosed bullets. That flat nose literally hammers living things. These bullets are hard and properly lubed and will NOT lead your barrel. Note my velocities from real world "over the counter" revolver s- NOT TEST BARRELS!
@@GunSam I guess it's traditional to load target loads to a lower pressure. Nice to know there is no leading. That was always my biggest beef with all lead bullets.
My understanding with hollow point ammunition is the expansion is intended to simulate a larger caliber. Some energy is wasted in the bullet as it takes work to make it expand. The rest of the energy takes it into the target.
It's always about where and how big the hole is. ;-)
Can you shoot 32 long out of a 38 spl or 357 magnum revolver..
No, different cartridge and diameter. A .32 Long can be fired from a .327 Federal Magnum, .32 S&W Long or .32 H&R Magnum revolver.
32 H&R vs 38SPC would be a fairer comparison
The reason for .32 S&W Long is the history, availability and of course the fast that, .32 H&R Mag wadcutters really sin't a thing.
I like to load .327 Fed Mag cases with a max load of a fast powder such as Titegroup. This makes the gun much easier to shoot (compared to H110 for example) while still generating enough velocity to give good performance. I probably would not go to a round as slow as .32 S&W Long.
I haven't tried to reload .327 Federal yet but I do use Titegroup at a max charge in .32 H&R Mag and with an 85 gr XTP it gives me a really accurate 1,000 FPS in the snub barrel. Low recoil too. I tried Universal for .32 H&R and it wouldn't even burn it up, all sorts of unburnt flakes in all of the working parts of the gun.
WCs just work.
.Hello .. I think that the 32 long was depreciated for a long time, and has gained importance with the new ammunition that has better performance ..In Argentina, the old 32 factory cartridges were very weak because the factories knew that the weapons that fired them were very old ,,, and therefore the 32 did not work well ... but lately I have seen very good quality ammunition and maybe they have a good performance for defense ... Greetings from Buenos Aires
I think some of the increase in popularity is the invention of the .327 Federal Magnum. Once people get one, they like to know what rounds can also be fired through that revolver and they discover .32 H&R Mag and .32 S&W Long.
@@GunSam Look, I did not know that caliber ... I never saw it in Argentina ... the newest calibers around here are difficult to find, especially because they are very expensive ... for example the 45 GAP and the 357 SIG .. . They have been missing for years and the guns that fire them only have a collector's price ... that one, the 32 magnum, the 41 magnum are almost non-existent ...
You always learn something, I appreciate the information ... Greetings from Buenos Aires
32 revolver long 2inch barrel effactive range
Depends on ammo and other factors. You can easily hit a man size target at 100 yards as its flat shooting, however since its bullets are light you lose power at long range.
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Very good tests and excellent ammo performance. Given how little respect the .32S&WL gets I would say it did a pretty good job of vindicating itself.
BTW, Would love to see more tests of buffalo bore such as the 115gr WFP .32S&WL
www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=344
Thank you. People seem to love Buffalo Bore tests, but a lot of people are hesitant to buy because of the price. Overall I think it's worth the price most of the time.
@@GunSam I agree. When I am able to replace my snubbie I figure a good strategy would be to find my preferred carry load and the duplicate as close as possible with handloads for training.
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