Oulton Park Novice Track-day crash
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- Опубліковано 18 лют 2018
- Oulton Park Crash. Hyundai coupe (Tiburon apparently in the States?) at lodge corner on novice track day 17 feb 2018.
Driver was fine and went back out after de-mangling his Hyundai👍🏽 - Авто та транспорт
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Going for a cheeky extra lap as you know the track will be red flagged in a few seconds time!
Has to be done👌🏼😁
Looks like he needs the extra seat time!
That little sound when he hits the barrier. He felt that for days
Overcorrected me thinks
over corrected waaaaaaaay to much
And a lil bit of under steer 🤏🏼
Correct you are
Corrected to barier
And also came into the corner to fast, and exited too slow, causing understeer
That corner is a tricky bastard. Decreasing radius and downhill after the apex. Have sent many a digital car into that same barrier in iracing
For people wondering what exactly happened, that’s what happens when you enter too fast and still try to make the apex
So if u do enter the lap to fast what are you suppose to do to not get in
Troublr? Run wide maybe?
He turned in far too early, which meant he ran out of room on the exit. I’ve made the same mistake on the same corner.
@@Clubman99
@@Clubman99 exactly that with how fast he was going changed his trajectory, and he ended up having to correct it, but he over corrected the under steer while already over shooting the trajectory🤙🏽
@@gigi9467 try to brake harder in a straighter line and change your angle to get a decent line through the corner ((you’ll miss the apex)) but you won’t end up over shooting on corner exit, but it was too late for this dude.
As always, a lotta experts here......
Yep but hey at least they're not people that think that we should all be given stunt driving tickets those people in other words
It’s not rocket science to know what went wrong especially if you’ve had track experience
Expertly put. You "Excel" at this... 👍
Bench racing is at an all time high
Anyone with track experience knows exactly what happened and how to prevent it.
A common place for novices binning it at Oulton. Turn in too early, miss the apex too to add to the challenge and you come out wide and end up either left of right barrier often. Text book.
Yes spot on, just glad I didn’t get sucked into it!
Also the worst track combo to buy: south korean Junk on cheap chinese tyres! Hyundai coupe has next to zero structural rigidity and its got a heavy front end due to the V6 engine (Mitsubishi sourced as the south koreans did not have a clue how to build an engine so just brought Japanese OEM ones instead) placed in front of the front axle that causes crazy understeer. So when the driver over sped the corner he got crazy lift off oversteer and because the hyundai coupe has the structural rigidity of wet toilet paper was uncontrollable unless you are a professional driver.
TL;DR buy a stiff Japanese car on sport tyres and not south korean junk deathtraps for trackdays
He's done something motor racing drivers strive for... finding the limit of grip. Sadly, he quickly found the limit then carried on through it.
Sh!t happens, especially on a novices track day. Did something similar myself on my first one (how else is anyone supposed to find the limit of their own ability if you don’t exceed it occasionally)? Nicely avoided though :). No point ploughing on and hoping to miss ‘em.
If your gonna push cars. Your gonna crash cars. Just the way it goes. Although this was mostly poor line choice an too much speed. So put it down to lack of experience. It’s happenes or has happened to us all
Autocross is a great way to push your car in an environment where consequences are lower. Won't understand exactly how your car is going to react at high speeds but you get a damn good feel for under/oversteer, corner lines, entry speed, how to recover from too much speed info a corner, etc. My local site often hits 60-70mph so it's not too far off from track cornering speeds, just gotta brake a bit more on track than you would in the cones!
It was just a hyundai wont be expenssive to fix
This is a fallacy. If you push tires beyond their limit by a small margin, you feel that grip is reduced. Instead of a crash, you listen to the tires and back off slightly to get back to their maximum.
Some people don’t have the understanding to operate at this level but an educated driver can and usually does reach and identify the limit without exceeding it.
@sportbikejesus6297 Key words here : "novice track day" and "limit of their own ability", not "educated driver", nor any mention of the limit of the tyres. Your statement may be true (except for the opening conjecture) but not relevant to this clip or my comment.
Everyone is mentioning overcorrecting, but I think the biggest factor was going from the low traction grass back onto the tarmac swinging the car back violently. It was a chain of events, but I think the novice driver was unlucky to have overcorrected in a changing traction situation. But yes, a good driver would have taken that into account.
Judging by his lines, it was obvious he's not going to make it through the session.
judging by his ride i made the same assumption
All got to start somewhere, or did you start off perfect?
Captain Crunch
@@ash7990 First off, nobody is perfect. Secondly, when he sucked, he should have gone slow and careful.
@@njgilly20 agree what a gay car lmao
My favorite part is at 0:31 when
VTEC KICKED IN YO!
Hyundai coupes dnt have V-TECH what so ever numb nuts..
@@clivebrackstone1896 what is the camera car? And what happens at 0:31?
@@clivebrackstone1896 r/whoosh
turned in too early, missed apex, ran wide on exit
yer got on the power to soon and didn't set the car
Happens to all of us. The real mistake is trying to save it. If you dip 2 off, straighten the wheel and ride it out. No good will come from trying to correct it.
hello anthony do you still driving that old lotus
@@Alpi-yn5jk yep, depending on which one you mean
Just too much speed in turn in really wasn’t that bad just too much speed for the grip
That's a tricky corner, off camber. I went there the other day on my first track day outing, ended up on the rumble strip there, which thankfully was as much warning as needed, I changed my speed for the rest of the day. That day there were several offs too many to count and a coupe of fires, red flag day!
True enough!
The car on fire (if it was a Renault) was a mate of mine 😪🔥🔥🔥
@@E4RLIES gold coloured Renault?
@@popsbubbles1242 yes mate stopped at top of Dentons pretty much destroyed 😫
@@E4RLIES Shit ..yes sadly my cameras never recorded any track action I would have recorded your incident,....sorry to see the flames and you running
What a day many cars smashed ..
That bend catches lots of people out, turns in more sharply than you expect.
Thats the thing with Oulton Park, not much space to make mistakes.
All went south when he let off the brakes and coasted over the brow, that rear was only going to do one thing :)
Last curve is very dangerous. You do it very well!
So this is where all the racing experts hang out..
Haha it’s seems so yeah… would be interesting to know how many of these experts have actually been on track though🤔😆
It was all salvageable, even after going in that fast and deep. The damage was done trying to power through it on the run off. Sad to see people learn that lesson the hard way!
Weird knowing that this type of car is FWD
Watching this again, it seems like the left rear tyre just gave up, spinning the car
The car is FWD. He didn't try to power through it he lifted off after finally realising he wasn't making it.
This also happens when you aquaplane and try to steer the car. You go from low or no grip for the steering wheels to suddenly back on high grip and the car snaps away from you. It's easy to say in hindsight but if he just kept the wheel relatively straight and ran along the grass for a little then re-joined slowly he would have been fine. Look at the angle of the front wheels as they re-join the tarmac. They are at a mad slip angle, the fronts then grip and the car snaps around into oversteer.
@@B__L wrong, he countersteered to get out of the slide, front wheels hit the tarmac while rears were still off track and it spun left
@@chrishorton3501 Correct! Look how late he was to take out the countersteer. all the way at :25 he was still fully turned left, even though he was heading back across the tarmac. Expe$ive le$$on.
Could have been dangerous side on crash like that, not much crumple zone. MSVT usually put brake boards, cones down for the turn-in and apex. If you're a novice better off having an instructor for the day...I did my time at PEC on their low friction track and course. Had an excellent instructor telling me what do and why and where I was going wrong. After that I thought no point without an instructor...
That corner is notoriously deceptive but as soon as I saw his turn in point I knew what was coming. He made it round the previous corner though which also seems to catch a fair amount of people out.
Everyone is getting on his ass but it's novice track day for a reason. Mans gotta learn somehow. Be glad it was on a track and not a public road.
Excatamently mate a lot of Gran Turismo bell ends here think they know it all 🙂
I figured it would be the Tiburon crashing and not the S2000 lol
Funny how this came up while I’m watching BSB testing at Oulton park sat by cascades 😀
Haha I was there today too! 😎
Think those boys are a tad quicker 😆🚀
@@E4RLIES Nice one !
Great day out and nice to see some race bikes in action again 👍
Seen so many get Lodge wrong.
looks like he went in way faster than his skiill level allowed for
Looked it up on the mot history checker. Looks like he'd just spent quite a lot of money getting it back on the road so it's all the more unfortunate
In addition to everything already (correctly) said about entry speed and line, I'd imagine it was fitted with mid range mainstream tyres. Most Hyundai Coupes I've seen in real life have cheap Chinese budget brand rubber on...
- Jinyu
- Arrowspeed
- Haida
- P609
I it looked like the rubber was very quick to break traction in the video.
You forgot the ever popular 'Ditchfinders' 😏
not to forget they are front heavy especially the v6 models
lol junk south korean car plus using cheapest chinese tyre to pass MOT = instant ditch finder, I dont blame the owner for own ignorance racing a deathtrap hyundai
knew it was gonna be the Hyundai the second the video started haha
why
i was worried for a second that you crashed an s2000
Wouldn’t say he’s a novice. Just the fact he came to a track day in toastie machine from Wish
That's a Hyundai Tiburon
That's another level of overcorrecting right there
Always liked the looks of the Hyundai but they were abysmally slow
Great job to avoid piling into him.
Yeah, it was amazing when he steered slightly to go around him
Back wheel on the grass and the downhill making the car go light at the same time, not the first or last to end up in the armco at Lodge under the same circumstances.
the exact same thing happened to me (from the camera mans perspective ) at that very corner, only it was a scooby and instead of getting a tank slapper and shooting off to the left, they just carried on spinning right and shot straight across in front of me.
Wow, you could see that coming from 3 turns before the crash, his lines were so bad!
That's a classic tankslapper surely. Understeer, over correct, then when back on grippy tarmac it hugely oversteers
Honestly, the bigger lesson here is to settle the car and lower speed in the grass before re-entry and not rush to get back on pavement.
Love this track I’ve been round it as a passenger a couple of times and enjoyed every second
That sounds and looks like 200hp. What were you driving
Nice S2000 man :)
Not MOT’d since 2017 so I assume it was a write off.
Dying!! LMFAO!!
This was filmed on Feb 2018 so maybe it was trailered there ?
@@E4RLIES An MOT from 2017 could be valid well into 2018 mate
His famous last words were Watch This
Ouch. "Hello...is that the RAC?".
Ouch that hurt I have a Hyundai coupe great little car
Never race with a Hyundai. They have nothing to lose. It's like borrowing your truck to Whistlindiesel
Yeah def not a race haha just a chance to learn for novices…
Some more novicey than others 🤭🤣
I spin at that exact same corner in iRacing all the time. Feels, dude!
Yes, it's a tricky bugger that one, deceptive turn in and off camber and then you're onto grass. You really need to turn in late and trail brake around it to be safe.
Likewise, I've binned It so many time on that corner in iRacing.
Of course it's a Hyundai coupe with clear rears. People just don't know how to correct oversteer with FF's lol.
Come on then oh genius…
Being a “boring” road driver I have no idea. Also is FF front wheel drive? Genuinely interested.
I've never driven on a race track. My wife is giving me a track day for my birthday prezzie driving 3 Aston Martins (James Bond Triple Drive Experience). My nearest venues are Oulton Park and Three Sisters. Can anyone tell me which one I should choose?
Without a doubt Oulton Park!
Three sister is primarily a karting circuit, narrow and twisty, you will have a blast at Oulton👍🏼👍🏼
(Always watch out for Hyundais though 😉)
@@E4RLIES Great! Thanks for the advice! Now if you could just predict the weather for me? 😂
Straight to the scene of the accident
I wonder how he's going to explain that to his insurance company????
Personally speaking I take the risk; cars can generally be repaired.
Although you cannot claim on normal car insurance, trackday specialist cover is available but you have to cause a large amount of damage to make a claim worthwhile
It's front wheel drive, you don't need to correct, just hold the wheel straight and it'll swing back straight itself.
Inexperienced I guess.
did the camera car gear knob come off?
No I was the nob behind the wheel gear nob was also ok 👌🏼
I was frustrated waitin for Hyundai man to progress so I was flapping my hand about sarcastically 👋🏼
Don’t try to save it. Makes it worse.
If in doubt..let it spin,spin,spin.
I have a few times and never damaged car! Luckily!
not really a track for a novice. glad he managed to fix the car. was it a V6?
Went in a little hot. Exited a little hot.
Nice camera angles !
Took the wrong line, enter the corner too early and over speed
Who brings a FWD Hyundai to the track?
The moment when eurobeat intensifies
Position,speed,gear and don't break whilst mid corner it unbalances your car. Get over to the left as safely possible, Scrub your speed get in the correct gear and use the accelerator to get you around the corner not your brakes.
Wow, totally the wrong line..
This happens before, this happened at the overtake. The negotiation of the pass, it’s psychological during overtaking and thinking about leaving room for the other car.. and missing the breaking point :)
That makes sense yes; I like to think I didn’t pressure him too much but I also had to pass the Suzuki?
@@E4RLIES your hand gestures said it all……
Love that feeling just before impact
*Every Hyundai that ever tried to get crazy🤣
Christ, that snapped hard!
Front drive
It went bad when dude brought a timboron to the track. It's just a 3rd gen eclipse clone.
that noise, bang, bang.....
Once off track push the brake and stop. He crashed trying to re-enter the track at speed.
I hate this corner on iracing
I'd crash too if somebody put the steering wheel on the wrong side of the car.
That's a hold the brake till you stop moment right there
If you're going to turn into a skid, make sure you steer back out of it 🙄
bro forgot he was ina fwd car
Too much engine for him
Ability, Talent and Professionalism weren’t in the same driving seat.
cool looking car is it a ferari
man i wish i lived in a country that has so many tracks. Where i live, theres only 1 track, that isn't a karting one....
Should have braked when he went four wheels off and help the car come to a stop when it hit the pavement; that way it wouldn't of had the momentum to hit the wall.
Well that sucks.
And it wasn't even a BMW
Lucky for you he didn’t come back in front of you.
Erm he did that’s kinda why I backed off and waited for the inevitable?
🤔
Just glad it wasn't the s2k
Get that Tiburon off the track 😆
Awesome 🤩
I thought the cam driver lost his gear knob and crashed
😆
Atleast it was only tiburon!
Dude ran out of talent.
End of story.
Also ran out of tires pretty fast too
Hahaha that corner has all the required factors to bin it by doing a small mistake. The dip after the apex makes the rear step out very often when you are forcing it too much by entering too quick and the exit is becomes so tight that at that speed you're gonna end up wide drifting on the grass.
Once his rears touched the asphalt again they gripped up and there was no human way to realign the steering wheel quickly enough to correct that after not expecting it lol
This is so true- the elevation change leading up to the corner, weird sight lines and trees before the corner tend to make people nervous, and the elevation change mid corner really bites unless you really spot turn in, apex and exit. The armco tightening on the left is also in "vision" if you miss the apex- which doesn't help someone unused to the course. I almost trashed a very nice jag on an invite day there by thinking I knew what I was doing lol
"lol"
Sounds like a girl.
@@gavinvalentino6002 alright, calm down Gavin mate
Never played ACC at Oulton clearly..
Lol games are one thing, reality bites hard😝
I think his biggest mistake was trusting a tibroun with 185 tires to take a tight corner at speed
Could see that coming a mile off - car got what it deserved...
Early Apex = Early Exit.
That was my wife going to Asda’s she’s got lost again 😩
This guy has no idea what counter steering is
Ouch that was painfully expensive
Hopefully that is one less Hyundai Coupe on the road though.
thought i was watching in slow motion
I had to slow it down a lot so it was perceptible to the human eye lol
@@E4RLIES thanks