At some point, someone will have to put a question mark next to a $160k price tag for a 2-series BMW (as great as it is) I know the current Covid pricing has impacted the whole of car market, but still- is it a better car than a Alfa Giulia QF? or even BMWs new M3? (excluding that front nosejob), it gets a bit ridiculous i think
@@alenalavanja6543 it isn't. Some people have done lap times and the new M3/M4 with the same tyres, and a whole lot of extra weight still beats the M2 CS on the track. Where you might pick the M2 CS is that it will hold its value more being a CS product or you like the short wheel base nature of it or you like the look over the M3 and M4
Hi Tom, really appreciate your in-depth reviews and focus on driver engagement (which is why I have subscribed). When it comes to sporty/performance cars, I have a particular interest in steering feel because, IMO, it is one of the critical factors for both driver engagement and extracting the most out of a car on a demanding B road. Your comments about the steering of the M2 CS were helpful until you held up the E46 M3 as a standard by which steering feel should be measured, at least in BMWs. As cool as the E46 M3 looks and as fun as it is to drive (in some ways), the one thing it does not have is communicative steering! Having driven 3 different E46 M3s, I would rate its steering feel as mostly numb (i.e. poor indeed). The only motoring journalist I have found who will admit this is Jay Emm in the UK. The fact is, BMWs of the past are not known for good steering feel. Older generations had recirculating ball steering boxes and even the later rack & pinion systems were often slow and dead for feel. I know because I owned an E30 325i Sport for 2 or 3 years in the UK, which I loved, but its stand out weakness was the lack of steering feel and slow ratio, especially around the straight-ahead position. An E92 M3 I drove had quite good steering feel, aided by its directness - way better than any other BMW I have driven.
First because it's presented on screen in the graphic (so you don't have to 'calculate') and secondly because we're an Australian channel, and Australia uses kilowatts to measure power
Great car or real little dynamite that comes in small packets. BMW South Africa managed to secure us with only 30 units which were all sold in auction as all M Power wanted one of each unit hence the highest bidder can own one.
Nice review, nice car! Just one thing: the 'ei' in the German word 'leicht' (light as in not heavy) is pronunced like an 'i' in the English word ice, if you pronunce it like an 'i' in the English word pig, the word is 'licht' and means light as in not dark. Sorry for being a smartass ;-)
Mate I can't agree more.. I'd love one of those.. Comfort with power in a beautiful sedan body.. Auto Top NL here on UA-cam love them also and come to think of it I can't recall anyone not l loving the M550i..
Great review Tom. Perhaps the CS will be like the M3 CSL where, despite the initial premium making it a questionable proposition when new, they are now seen as far more desirable than a standard E46 M3. Plus, this doesn't have the dodgy SMG to boot.
You're a bit inaccurate there. The roof, additional engine cooling, brakes and adaptive dampers are hardware changes vs the standard car and in reality it's around 45kg lighter than the Competition.
Spare me the condescending snark. How are what I described not hardware changes? You're moving the goalposts there. Also sport auto compared the two and the CS was 43kg less I doubt CCBs on a car that size weight that much.
@@nessuno5403 most people say the CS drives way better then a M2 competition. And the lap times being way way faster prove that. There are definitely hardware changes beyond the engine. Dampers for example.
@@nessuno5403 tbh I just wanted to hear your response. I have an M4 competition lol. And have driven M2 comp and M4 comps on drive days hosted by BMW for M owners. What I haven't driven is the CS and I doubt BMW will ever have them on the drive day unless you bring your own. Weight doesn't automatically mean bad. The new M4 comp compared to my F82 M4 comp turns better and is more responsive when you flick it. It does this whilst weighing 200-300kg heavier. Meaning that the damping is far better at keeping maximum contact patch with the road and not doing micro jumps over the road which decrease traction. This is also the same principle F1 suspension systems work. You're talking some trash in your above comments with the other guy. I just wanted to give you a chance to explain it but I'm you didn't do that too well
Really nice and overpriced car, but so are many other cars in 🇦🇺 at the moment…. As for the history books, not a chance down under. Only problem I have with these fast cars ( sold my F13 M6 due to that ) is where do you enjoy them ? I guess when you spend some time driving in Germany, Switzerland and USA, you realise how boring and restricted Australian roads are... Cabin fever kicking in hhahaha
@@spaketticarbonada9651 not their cars lol. What Japanese car can compete with Bugatti, Koenigsegg, Pagani, Bentley, Rolls Royce, Aston Martin, Mclaren, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche?
Will the M2 CS go down in the BMW history books?
Talking out of my ass but yes, I think it will. Unique shape, size and spec.
yes
At some point, someone will have to put a question mark next to a $160k price tag for a 2-series BMW (as great as it is)
I know the current Covid pricing has impacted the whole of car market, but still- is it a better car than a Alfa Giulia QF? or even BMWs new M3? (excluding that front nosejob), it gets a bit ridiculous i think
Subjectively I agree. Objectively I say the cars are worth that the market is willing to pay - and the market snapped them all up almost immediately.
@@alenalavanja6543 it isn't. Some people have done lap times and the new M3/M4 with the same tyres, and a whole lot of extra weight still beats the M2 CS on the track.
Where you might pick the M2 CS is that it will hold its value more being a CS product or you like the short wheel base nature of it or you like the look over the M3 and M4
As an Audi and VW Group driver with a history of S3's, TT V6 and a bevy of quick A4's this is a car to lust after. I'd go with the DSG myself.
Good alternative to its bucktooth big brother.
anther boy, who cant afford neither Q!
Manual please!
Hi Tom, really appreciate your in-depth reviews and focus on driver engagement (which is why I have subscribed). When it comes to sporty/performance cars, I have a particular interest in steering feel because, IMO, it is one of the critical factors for both driver engagement and extracting the most out of a car on a demanding B road. Your comments about the steering of the M2 CS were helpful until you held up the E46 M3 as a standard by which steering feel should be measured, at least in BMWs. As cool as the E46 M3 looks and as fun as it is to drive (in some ways), the one thing it does not have is communicative steering! Having driven 3 different E46 M3s, I would rate its steering feel as mostly numb (i.e. poor indeed). The only motoring journalist I have found who will admit this is Jay Emm in the UK. The fact is, BMWs of the past are not known for good steering feel. Older generations had recirculating ball steering boxes and even the later rack & pinion systems were often slow and dead for feel. I know because I owned an E30 325i Sport for 2 or 3 years in the UK, which I loved, but its stand out weakness was the lack of steering feel and slow ratio, especially around the straight-ahead position. An E92 M3 I drove had quite good steering feel, aided by its directness - way better than any other BMW I have driven.
Beautiful car and it has the nice grill not the ugly grill.
Nothing wrong with the new M3,4 !!!!
@@mixalis6168 That grill, it doesnt look right. This M 2 looks good.
@@santillbrezon2161 a lot better in person though. Pictures it looks a lot worse
@@supaahflyy It will be interesting to see a BMW with this new grill.
Best M car in the BMW M range. Ordered myself a last production M2 Competition in June. Can't wait for Sept delivery.
Good choice!
Noice! Looks angry.
Love the variety on Chasing Cars.
Great work as always
I reckon it’s worth it hey.
It’s just a good car.
Especially with how the new ones look 🥲😂
Love the blue and gold wheels🔥. Not that I’m in the income bracket😂.
What a car! A dying breed
South African market got 30 and all of them have the dual zone climate control and heated seats.
I think about 10 out of the 30 got carbon ceramics.
M2 is single greatest looking BMW car ever made.
Tom where did you get your quilted jacket?
Hi TOm!
how would you compare this CS to the current 2023-24 new M2?
“The generation with proportionate grills like this car”
RIP BMW
😂
Matte white with gold wheels 😉✌
Great vid as usual. Any word on when the Aussie launch for the facelifted vw polo is, or when we’ll be seeing first impressions?
Not for ages - around May 2022
Hey Tom, are you reviewing the facelift i30N anytime soon?
Thanks!
Hyundai are launching the 2022 i30 N at the end of this month - so we will be there capturing content.
@@chasingcars awesome mate, thanks!
Why not use BHP as the unit of power? I hate having to calculate.
Australia is metric and therefore reports power in kilowatts (kw) and torque in newton metres (Nm).
@@Richard-sl8we I know. I still don't want to calculate.
First because it's presented on screen in the graphic (so you don't have to 'calculate') and secondly because we're an Australian channel, and Australia uses kilowatts to measure power
@@chasingcars 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️Now I have to watch all the reviews again!
Great car or real little dynamite that comes in small packets. BMW South Africa managed to secure us with only 30 units which were all sold in auction as all M Power wanted one of each unit hence the highest bidder can own one.
Nice review, nice car!
Just one thing: the 'ei' in the German word 'leicht' (light as in not heavy) is pronunced like an 'i' in the English word ice, if you pronunce it like an 'i' in the English word pig, the word is 'licht' and means light as in not dark. Sorry for being a smartass ;-)
Running costs. On screen doesnt match your words.. is it three years or five years for warranty?
Warranty is 3 years. I agree, should be 5 years.
My M2 CS has an MSO/MCO (a legal document: the Car's "Birth Certificate") generated by BMW at time of assembly that states it has a 405 HP engine.
New one was revealed, think it looks like a really impressive successor.
Man I wish I was rich, so many fun cars out there to buy like this one.
Work harder and smarter then !
@@mixalis6168 dude I work hard but poorly paid. Like most people who work hard.
@@mixalis6168 it is easier to say than done.
Tom’s presentation doesn’t match the description on the screen 5 years of warranty for example
Yep that's a mistake. 3 years.
The best BMW right now, and indeed the last 20 years if not ever, has to be the current BMW M550i.
Mate I can't agree more.. I'd love one of those.. Comfort with power in a beautiful sedan body.. Auto Top NL here on UA-cam love them also and come to think of it I can't recall anyone not l loving the M550i..
Watching this after the reveal of the new 2 series… oof
Great review Tom. Perhaps the CS will be like the M3 CSL where, despite the initial premium making it a questionable proposition when new, they are now seen as far more desirable than a standard E46 M3. Plus, this doesn't have the dodgy SMG to boot.
You're a bit inaccurate there. The roof, additional engine cooling, brakes and adaptive dampers are hardware changes vs the standard car and in reality it's around 45kg lighter than the Competition.
Spare me the condescending snark. How are what I described not hardware changes? You're moving the goalposts there. Also sport auto compared the two and the CS was 43kg less I doubt CCBs on a car that size weight that much.
Sure thing bucko, I suppose you only consider body in white modifications as 'hardware changes'.
@@nessuno5403 most people say the CS drives way better then a M2 competition. And the lap times being way way faster prove that. There are definitely hardware changes beyond the engine. Dampers for example.
@@nessuno5403 tbh I just wanted to hear your response. I have an M4 competition lol. And have driven M2 comp and M4 comps on drive days hosted by BMW for M owners.
What I haven't driven is the CS and I doubt BMW will ever have them on the drive day unless you bring your own.
Weight doesn't automatically mean bad. The new M4 comp compared to my F82 M4 comp turns better and is more responsive when you flick it. It does this whilst weighing 200-300kg heavier. Meaning that the damping is far better at keeping maximum contact patch with the road and not doing micro jumps over the road which decrease traction. This is also the same principle F1 suspension systems work.
You're talking some trash in your above comments with the other guy. I just wanted to give you a chance to explain it but I'm you didn't do that too well
$140k.. I think the original 2016 M2 is around $60k now. Probs a better deal.
Unfortunately the original M2 did not ride nearly as well.
fingers crossed no fat grill on the new m2
Hopefully!
Really nice and overpriced car, but so are many other cars in 🇦🇺 at the moment…. As for the history books, not a chance down under. Only problem I have with these fast cars ( sold my F13 M6 due to that ) is where do you enjoy them ? I guess when you spend some time driving in Germany, Switzerland and USA, you realise how boring and restricted Australian roads are... Cabin fever kicking in hhahaha
I lost interest as soon as i saw that it’s an automatic
… that costs $7k more than the manual too!
Alacritous... Really?
Really
Meh. Japanese cars are more reliable and iconic. Too many bimmer fanboys that overrate the e30.
Sweeping statement. Keep your ricers.
Japanese cars are boring and dated
@@kristians2704 Nope. Japan is the best.
@@spaketticarbonada9651 not their cars lol. What Japanese car can compete with Bugatti, Koenigsegg, Pagani, Bentley, Rolls Royce, Aston Martin, Mclaren, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche?
That’s right. So keep your corolla for rest of your life.