Author David Thomas - Billy the Kid's Grave!
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- Опубліковано 29 лис 2022
- MAG's full interview with David Thomas from the upcoming "The Billy the Kid Tapes" documentary. David talks about the Fort Sumner grave and his similarly titled book, "Billy the Kid's Grave".
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Great interview... this gentleman is an encyclopedia....
Fascinating! I do have David's Billy the kids grave book, and will read it over again. Thanks!
David Thomas is one of the foremost authorities on Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid. An amazing author of several books I've enjoyed over the years. Thank you, Michael Anthony Giudicissi, for such wonderful content. I'd love to see more of David Thomas talks.
Loved the interview. Thanks
Wow! Love David Thomas and what a researcher, he made so much sense to me. I pretty much agree with everything he said. Billy WAS rail roaded, the kangaroo court...the same system that exists today. I think that is why I relate to him so much.
Aways thought Billy was a remarkedly sophisitacated person too, and he was tried by the press...just like today.
So Celsa did have a tryst in the peach orchard with Billy (husband passed out drunk?)..but still a couple of questions there for me, read Poe & Garretts books, and no mention of the "sleeping husband" that I can remember?
So much more to Wayne Brazil...have to read David's books! Would love to hang out with him and pick his brain lol.
You covered just about everything...excellent interviw MAG thanks. ❤🤠
Not sure who was in the peach orchard, but if I ever get to make my film "Last Night in Sumner", I'll show you who it was... :-)
@@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi Cool 😎
It still angers me that Billy was blamed for everything the Regulators did even if he wasn't directly involved. I wonder why he stood out to the press so much because he was constantly unfairly targeted by the press. Billy wasn't an angel by any means but nobody deserves to be harassed like that.
I think the reason was because he was probably the most outspoken and having taken part in every fight that took place he became the most enraging to them. He probably treated the politicians like they werent better than him. He likely was cocky and had contempt for their societal position and they knew it. A criminal or enemy that calls you sir or maam and is polite disarma people. One who is laughing at you that everyone loves who wont acknowledge that youre the law or the boss well you want to “kill” them hahaha
Outstanding response, David Thomas, you know the evidence and you've done the work. My compliments.
Wonderful interview. It was good to hear some of the Las Cruces/Mesilla stories, I've always enjoyed living here in Kid country. :)
Thankyou for posting this fascinating interview. Mr Thomas really appears to have thoroughly researched the subject of BTK's grave. I shall be buying his book.
I recently watched a few of your videos and this is my favorite one so far. As a Historian who has done oral history interviews you did a pretty good job here and it was great hearing Mr Thomas and I will be buying his book on the Kid's grave. I also had many articles in my research folder that he talks about here regarding the cemetery.
Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it.
I really enjoyed this interview excellent content thankyou to both of you .
Wow thanks for the information Mr Thompson ,, can’t wait to read the book ,, some much appreciated with factual history !
Great interview. Interesting guy. Definitely knows his stuff. Thanks for keeping this awesome content coming!
Ok, I didnt state he knew everything. He does seem to be very knowledgeable. Also, it's clear that he has possibly some memory loss issues. Not to mention, I'm sure he is nervous in front of the camera. Rather than naysaying the gentleman, why don't you contact Michael and do a proper interview; with all the facts and show us how it should be done....I'll be waiting for that Interview.
Really enjoyed this interview. Very insight and convincing arguments.
Interviews and guest like this make me proud to be a Regulator! Well done and much thanks to all involved...this is EXCELLENT!!! Great work and keep digging, we're with you!
You're over there bragging about being a Regulator and I can't even regulate my bowels.
Very good interview! MAG, you asked the same questions I would have asked! I truly enjoy these videos!!!
Do you think he might have plagiarized your questions? I knew he was a flea-bitten varmint.
I learned so much. Great job.
This was a great interview, and Mr. Thomas is indeed impressive. I remember posting a bit of snark on the previous, edited version of the interview, being skeptical of a few things coming in. But even then, Michael challenged me to take stock of Mr. Thomas' detailed research and primary documentation. I promised then that I would read his published works before making a judgement on his credibility, despite my self-colored initial impression. Well, still haven't made the time to read anything, but it didn't take long watching this channel to open my mind, despite pre-conceived notions. As with other events I have immersed myself in over the years, with BTK I had to discount what is not provable and focus narrowly on what the truly reliable information is. My heart wants to believe Billy lived a long, fruitful life. But I no longer let that dynamic dictate what I believe is true. By the time we get to Billy Palooza, I plan to have read all of Mr. Thomas' work on the subject as well as Nolan, Utley and others.
Great Interview!
Michael this was absolutely fascinating keep the good work coming in from Melbourne Australia
David is one of the best researchers and authors I've ever read. Excellent information and interview.
Is it because he wears his cowboy hat when he does his research, like a cowboy Indiana Jones?
@@Tom_Van_Zandt He doesn't need any hat. Read any of his books and even you should be able to understand how complete a researcher he is.
@@TheSpaghetti643 things:
1st of all, you're assuming I can read...
And B, since we're all recommending reading material, I've got a book I think you might enjoy, and potentially even learn something along the way. It's a parable called "Green Eggs and Ham".
@@Tom_Van_Zandt Very childish. Can you dress yourself.
@@TheSpaghetti64 Very childish. Can you dress yourself.
Just went back and rewatched...even BETTER the 2nd time around...thanks Michael and Dave for laying that rumor about the Kid's missing trigger finger exhumation to rest (had never heard the scalped version before) as well as his burial garments and thanks for shedding light on Brazil. Does he have any connection to the guy who supposedly shot Garrett?
That was Wayne Brazel (not Brazil) but Wayne was related to the people who owned the ranch where a UFO supposedly crashed near Roswell, NM in 1947.
@@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi Very cool....and thanks for clarifying the Brazil/Brazel business for me, much appreciated!
Best Billy book ever.
i was driving cross country with my cousins about five years ago and there was major construction on the main road about six miles from his grave, we were tired of sitting in traffic so we took a detour to see his grave and we smoked a joint by his headstone, was really peaceful. Too bad crappy people have to vandalize his grave.
Excellent interview gentlemen. You are a great interviewer Michael. I only believe information from actual experts like David.
Great interview Michael enjoyed very much, well done and thanks.
Before watching your video I had watched Old Henry for the second time and had a funny though, which was could you imagine that Billy had survived Fort sumner, and that it all went according to the movie and that Brushy Bill was actually Billy's son pretending to be his dad?. The mind is a funny old thing bro and mine likes to run away quite a lot.
I think that makes way more sense than Brushy being Billy. Maybe you’re onto something?? :-)
@@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi Cheers Micheal, maybe you never know
Realy good !
Excellent Interview Michael, how many books has David written on BTK?
Hmm.....that's a good one. Might be 4-5 including one on Pat Garrett. You can find all of his books on Amazon
Hey MICHAEL, why didn’t you ask him why Brazil hated the kid I thought they were friends
His one statement, saying that none of the people at the funeral said anything about the body not being Billy, is a weak argument. If Billy was faking his death, why would his friends at the funeral, start spreading word that it wasnt him. They would have wanted to help him pull of the plot, not get word to the law that he wasnt dead. Just my 2 cents on that.
The Kid fooled you all. Hes still lives. He lives under my neighbors porch.....lol.
As much as i want Billy to have escaped and lived to be an old man..i think its just fact that Garrett did shoot Billy that night..i think Garrett is lying about how it happened but nonetheless Garrett got Billy...but sometimes i do read the counter narratives about Billy actually surviving but just as way to keep Billy alive in history
Is Thomas' "Angel Report" a complete version of the DoJ RG60 file?
You'd have to contact him to find out.
Was Billys something people where visiting. Withing the first tens years of his death. Did people put stuff on his grave like they do now back then ..
Billy the Kid was never killed by Garett who was a liar and had murdered 3 men by ambush bc he thought they were the Kid; according to Daniel Edwards book; an autobiography of Billy the Kid.
You’re incorrect
Hey MAG, very good interview. You can tell the info was true and knowledgeable because he wasn't used to being interviewed. If that makes since. Had to get a new phone and found out I was no longer sub'd to your channel.🤷
well come on back!
@@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi I am back!
Who confiscated Billys firearm when he was lying dead..did Garret take it?
How exactly did Brazil betray BTK at Stinking Springs? Great interview
What was the population of fort Sumner at the time of Billys death
somewhere around 200 people
@@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi so around 200 people in fort Sumner the time of Billys death..48 people attending the funeral..where the other 152 people..if half those people r were male between age of 16 to early 20 s and wich it was prolly more than half there could possibly be alot of people running around looking like there hero Billy the kid
If I was undustly accused of a crime by a kangaroo court, especially by kangaroo Court and a stack deck with the judge that hated me I would lose the whole freaking country pieces because that’s the only justice. Not for me not justice for me but justice for all the other people this system is going to eff
Brushy was the KID, end of story. Too much proof people who knew the kid signed affidavits swearing he was the kid. Garrett killed Billy Barlow by mistake, he let the kid go, and passed Barlow off as the Kid, he had to or he would have been tried for murder. Everyone loved Billy and lied so he could live a new life. All those people that attended the funeral knew they weren't burying the kid. From Garrett to everyone in the community was in on it
There's really zero proof that Brushy was the kid. Everything other than 2 really poorly done affidavits are just speculation, or purely fraudulently made up.
I imagine by the time Billy escaped Lincoln county jail..he was famous in new Mexico..is it possible other young men wanted to look like him dress like him? He was famous right? How many men between the ages of 18 to 21 where in fort Sumner area at the time.
18:40 the earliest mention I’ve seen in a newspaper saying Billy was still alive was 1898 when it mentions many tell stories about it around campfires and that a sheep herder was buried instead. It’s pretty unfair for this guy to talk about weight of evidence when he’s never researched the other side and for him to easily dismiss Poe saying “you’ve shot the wrong man” by saying there’s no primary source for it when Pat Garrett wrote in his book published 1882 that is what Poe said and Poe backed it up himself… well it kinda makes you want to change the channel.
You might want to do more research on David Thomas before you criticize his research capabilities. BTW...there were warrants in 1883 and 85 for Billy and reported as such in Las Vegas newspapers....so 1898? Don't think so.
@@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi there were many many Billy the Kids well over a dozen but the 1894 (not 1898) newspaper mentions a story that was told in 1884 about how a sheepherder was killed at Maxwell’s. And a fairly detailed history of the grave, tombstones, Telesfor Boney etc in Ft Sumner was published in Hico Texas around 30 years ago. I understand it doesn’t line up with the status quo but I can post a link to the 1894 paper if anyone even wants to take a look at it.
I wonder why it is not considered to get permission to have DNA extracted from Billy the Kid's half brother's remains, rather than trying to locate their mother's burial plot,since his half brother will have a match to Billy the Kid?
No one knows where or if his brother was buried.
@@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi thanks for the reply, I didn't know much about what happened to his brother.
Garrett shot billy the kid by bush walking him. And billy the kid did not have a gun on him just a form of a big utter knife in fact still had butter on it
what ever happened tp BIllys pinky ring? hmmm
You know Billys friends could have lied to protect Billy from further persecution.
You know, Brushy Bill could have lied that he was The Kid. Oh yeah, he did.
Someone got a hundred doggies for his trigger finger
😂😂 isn’t it “doabies?”
@@channelwhoa66 I dunno haaha
@@channelwhoa66 U knew tho what i meant
@@lburnstein196 yes I did 😂
They figured they’d get at least a hunerd -doabies for his trigger fainger!”
@@channelwhoa66 Haahah
What about the supposed lock of hair in that museum..can u get. DNA 🧬 out of that?
So aparrently there is DNA of 2 people that was layed on the bench/and Billy was one of them/ and today we can distinguiush the separation of the 2 people/so why do they not lay it all to rest/ because people will loose out on money ffs end this circus!
It's being done right now...
Here's the craic folks., it's all about revenue!!., no one actually cares about letting that man's soul rest and letting the truth out /at Billy's expense everyone wants to keep the myth going instead of finding the truth "of which they are more than capable of doing"!!!!!!
Its all Myths and legends., but my guess is Pat garrett walked into billys bedroom while he was sleeping and shot him dead there and then! and Pat garrett paid for Billys funeral
Half of the witnesses where not present at Billys apparrent death
When bodies are dressed for burial , the clothing is split down the back and tucked in , this has been true for hundreds of years. Corpses dont bend to be
dressed. Let the arguements begin. 😂
Its all greed / no one actually wants the truth.,
All this talk about an interview with David Thomas and not one single Spicy Chicken Sandwich or Chocolate Frosty anywhere.
Great interview! Very interesting
Found the death hoax reported in 1896, Do i win a prize?
Wait...refresh my memory on that one??
@@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi check your emails
Great interview! Thank you!
May I suggest a video proposal? Comparing Young Guns movies depictions to real life? That a video you’d be interested in making some day?
Very cool idea. We did do a series on what the YG movies got wrong, but a visual of the differences would be cool!
Nobody knows where Billy is. So much speculation just to sell books
If you knew how little money authors make on book sales, you’d know how ridiculous your comment is.
This means nothing you have no proof if that's all you got you ain't got s*** pal
Bless your heart you poor soul.
Got to keep that money machine down there going so you make up stories
Do you mean like the made up brushy Bill story?