seems people are use to blazing through and getting amazing gear really fast in these types of games. Then they play POE 2 expecting the same thing. The developer purposely made it slower and more challenging; they don't want players to burn through the content at blazing speed, and most weren't prepared for it. so a lot of players are being negative about the game because they can't blaze through the content to max level in a day or two. to me, its a good thing. I am having a blast playing this game and am looking forward to the full release.
Diablo has been the type of game we’re even the first skeletons in the first dungeons could kill you. Then D3 changed everything and it became a rushfestival where players did not have anything that stood against them. Since then, this just continued
Well the value of these games is that speed, skipping the story and just focusing on the build of the character, the build of the gear, and getting back to base with loot that lets you make upgrades to your build. If PoE2 thinks its more important than a mere click em up for casual gamers and dad gamers thats a bad thing not a good thing. If i want a true RPG ill play one. Its the only value of the genre is to be a speed run click em up fest for Blizzard mass appeal casuals and WoW types. If i wasnt a real challenge ill play a competitive online game like Dota or CS2 or Aoe2. These games are for casual dads and it was never that deep. I think ARPG players take themselves too seriously and dont realize the masses just want to have a fun build. Its like they played the game and liked it and never stopped like normal people and look for something deeper but its just a cope. Nobody cares these games arent hard, they are not supposed to be hard.
@nutellabrah6718 at launch it was hard and I actually really enjoyed that, I loved dying to bosses and having to learn the mechanics to overcome the challenges. Then when they upped the rare drop rates on my second run I was decked out in rares within a couple hours and just plowed through everything and it felt cheap not even having to care about boss mechanics anymore. It became so easy there wasnt even a thrill in getting gear because why would i even need gear when im already mincing level 20 stuff in my level 6 rares.. The thrill of real danger was gone at that point so I ended up putting it down
Totally. There are a bunch of things I've always disliked in ARPGs that I thought were just part of the genre and couldn't be changed, but POE2 actually changes them.
@@yazuki-wolf when you get checkpoints during the fighting, you don’t have to run across the whole map. You can just go up to the checkpoint click on it, so you can fast travel to any checkpoint that you activated. That way you can finish everything on the map because there’s hidden stuff like legendary armor and weapons.
I don't know if D4 and PoE 2 should be in the same conversation. A game with thousands of developers against a game consisted of just more than 100... allegedly. It absolutely blows my mind... that PoE2 has more content in early access than D4 had on release for half the price. Comparing D4 to PoE2 is praise that D4 and Blizzard do not deserve. Diablo 4 failed at making a PoE-like game.
You wanna know why poe2 is so good? David Brevik works for GGG lol the original creator of diablo 2. Not only that but they have multiple diablo 2 devs as well
and this people like you do not understand, D4 is a game for the masses, console players that play on their couch, casual players that can play 1-2hours a week and want to have fun by easily blast the game, so the design of the game is completely different from poe, D4 devs said even before the release that D4 will never be a complicate/difficult game. D4 and poe2 are 2 games of the same genre but completely different and both having different players base, so both are very decent, depends what you looking for.
I agree with the last statement, it's the same for me. I enjoy playing D4 in a seasonal way, trying new things, having a blast, and moving on. I play Poe 1 for a long period of time and go back to D4 whenever a new season drops. I don't understand why people have to compare both games since they focus on different aspects. Just play what you want, how you want!
Love your take on the game and as a game artist myself, one which started out wanting to be a mangaka long ago, I've had a blast watching some of your old videos. Keep this up man, video was well produced.
I’ve spent a significant amount of time in Diablo 4, having purchased it for $100. However, I’m currently enjoying Poe2 much more, and I just upgraded again tonight. Even my girlfriend, who has never played PoE,plays it for hours right next to me while I play. I’m currently playing mercenary, and I’m thoroughly enjoying it. It’s much easier than I had anticipated. It took me significantly more tries to defeat bosses as a monk, but with my mercenary, I’ve managed to almost every boss until Act 3 on my first try. The only exception was the big giant knight, which took me about five tries.
Thanks for the honest and personal explanation of this. Like you even mention in this video, i might have expected thd classic "simple minded D4 noob huehue", but instead we got a really heartfelt video on what you enjoyed about this game. And yes i agree D4 and PoE2 are going for different things, so of course people should enjoy them for what they are. Its heartening to hear people being open and malleable to new things, and i think you came to see a lot of aspects about the game others do as well. Its still just beta, and i honestly hope they work on it for anither year, but its already a blast. Great video mare, cheers
I think almost anyone who have played Diablo 4 for the last 18-20 months, can take a break and play something else for a while. Doesn't mean the other game is better, or you will ultimately never play D4 again. Gamers play different games. It's OK. I myself will probably be playing PoE2 for the next few months at least. I definitely like the combat more than D4 (slower). But I am sure there will come a time when I have played so much of it, I might feel like playing something different for a bit then too. Hopefully No Rest for the Wicked in on the scene around that time.
People defend the game they've invested time and money into, and that's understandable. However, for most, PoE2 is the better long-term choice, while D4 serves as a short break to unwind before diving back into PoE2.
@@Zemlja_je_ravna Who are you talking about when you say "for most"? I feel that is nonsense sorry. If you mean, "for most PoE players", maybe you're right. But I and many others have played D4 for more than a year and a half. That wasn't some "short break"; so not sure where that statement has any validity. As mentioned, everyone has what suits them more... one doesn't have to be better than the other, as your comment tries to inject. Screams bias.
Ultimately, who like D4 is looking for a social game, who like POE2 is more for a single person grind. A person can like both in different moment of life.
@@WavefrontProductions POE is a much more social game, the first one and the second one. You can tell that by looking at the chat and seeing how the community interacts. POE is actually one of the most social games that's not an MMORPG that I've played.
As a new player , my friend explained trading and paid stashes. It’s so game changing I’m shocked no one talks about it to beginners. It fundamentally changes how you play the game and gear.
I appreciate the balanced take on this. I'm not a Diablo player at all or a veteran PoE1 player, but I AM a veteran Souls player and long time roguelike fanatic, and I gotta say I am IN LOVE with PoE2. The extreme difficulty and the practical infinity of the build craft make this game a more rewarding experience than anything else I've ever played. It just feels great to get destroyed by a boss repeatedly, re-evaluate your build and realize you were leaving 300% more DPS on the table, fix it up, then go utterly destroy the boss. I also love that bosses are a forced skill check in terms of both build and player ability. Some bosses force you to get up close and personal and dodge roll like a maniac, some force you to play at range or get one shot, but they all force you to view your build in a different light, and teach you hard earned lessons that you will ABSOLUTELY need to be able to make it through the following content. I also really dig that there are no optional mechanics in this game. You HAVE to engage with the systems and understand them to succeed. There are no progression mechanics that feel like they are a waste of time, or can just be skipped over trivially. Many games these days don't give a single shit how smart or skilled you are as a player, they will hand hold every step of the way and give you pats on the back and free items constantly which completely negate/invalidate the progression of your power fantasy, as well as perverting and bypassing the game's existing progression mechanics. Why design mechanics if you're going to then invalidate them though absurd XP rate weekends, copious amounts of free items just for logging in, microtransactions, etc? The answer is either that the mechanics are bad to begin with, or were stripped of their actual value and then repackaged at cost to you by greedy game developers, or simply tone deaf devs who think their players are idiots who need to be spoon fed every second of "gameplay". I'm just sick of games that appeal to the lowest common denominator, and in doing so, strip absolutely anything from the game which requires basic reading comprehension, critical thinking skills, or even something as simple as actually understanding and enjoying the game world/lore. Path of Exile 2 is not that game, and strives in every regard to NOT be like those games. It respects your intelligence, and asks you to bring your best to the table.
Yea this is over complicating it badly. The game revolves around dodgeroll and thats it. That isnt a good thing. All mechanics come down to dodge it with roll. Especially high end where you can have a shit ton of resistances but if you dont dodge its over. The game is not extremely difficult IDK why people think it is. Maybe they are new to the genre or have bad mechanics.
@@maxpowers4436 You're oversimplifying it. It' fine to have issues with the game, but let's not pretend my stated opinion is parading itself as a fact and then base our responses under that premise. 😉 I find this reductive. Dodge roll does matter a LOT. However, I've found that any time I had severe difficulty with a boss I found to seem impossible, or even the ascendancy trials, I found a way to beat them through improving my build or realizing the game was trying to get me to fight like I'm smart. For example, I had a really rough time fighting Viper in Act 3 due to her ranged poison attacks one shotting me most of the time, despite dodge rolling to the best of my ability. I realized I could just run up to her and hit her hard once with Hexblast to break her out of that attack pattern entirely. This is the kind of thing I mean, it's not that dodge rolling is bad, it's that people aren't willing to play this like it's a game and instead treat it like a product they bought which is malfunctioning the first instance they have a hard time. You have to be willing to experiment and try new things and treat this as the unique experience that it is. The game has its problems FOR SURE, and I do think a lot of stuff is overtuned, but let's not kid ourselves about what's really going on here: people who get mad when they play video games and lose repeatedly are the ones who are generally having a bad time, and the ones who don't are generally having a good time. 1000% mindset.
As an old gamer who played D1 week one and D2 just as quick, D3 took some time to even like 1 run through of the campaign and I only did that for story mostly. All this season stuff does nothing for me. POE2 feels like the old days with a huge skill tree tacked on for good measure! Bravo to them and to you for recognizing the difference.
I think the note that they're not trying to be the same thing hits the nail on the head, especially considering so many PoE1 die hards have had their butts hurt than PoE2 is so different. There's a space for both games i totally agree with you, I'm loving PoE2 and was burnt out in D4 s6, but that helltide clip of bursting numbers gave me a feel, which tells me that yeah, I'll be maining PoE2 for the forseeable, but I'll definitely be playing D4 s7 too. Great vid mate.
Im in endgame with the Monk and I absolutely love it. And BIG agree on the boss fights. They are just perfect. And I adore the fact the map resets if you wait too long, and I also LOVE that the badguys all come back every time when you die - helps for levelling. After lvl 70, you start losing Exp when you die! Gets crazy.
Diablo 4 got me into ARPGs but after I put over a hundred hours into Last Epoch and I'm already over halfway there with no signs of slowing down in PoE2, I could never go back
I played d2,d3 and d4 till s1. Poe1 never got me, i expectet that poe2 would be good but damn it hit me like a truck. Cant stop playing. Cant imagine how it will be on release
Great video. I really enjoyed listening your experience. Now I’m convinced to go for POE2. I played D4 demo but seems the same mechanics than D3: 10 hours to build a broken hero and then go grinding just to be stronger enough to get bored.
thank you for your very groundet- founded opinion and thaughts of this Matter. i think its very valuable to hear exact this, because its simply the most true words about the objective between these 2 games. both games are just different and i hope they stay diffrent. i hope many others have these deep thaughts on this matter because its players like you and not the screaming mass taht will wupport those games the most, as they deserve
You mentioned that changing the way you look at the game made you enjoy the game more. I think it's best to approach pretty much any game as it is. PoE is so far the only ARPG I've played (and still play from time to time). I didn't think 'oh let's find out how this game genre plays'. The gem system is the thing I've wanted in the other types of RPG's I've played. To some extend Warframe does a similar job, which is also one of the reasons I played that quite a lot. So I'd say always have an open mind when approaching games, don't try to box everything in. If a game has a sequell, then you should ofcourse expect a similar game.
PoE makes you THINK about your character. What problems do you have? How do I solve those problems? Am I using good support gems? Do my skills all work in conjunction with one another? Do I have enough HP/resists to stay alive? These are slightly harder to solve in early-access poe2 compared to poe1, but they are still able to be solved with some planning. The extreme power-fantasy that D4 gives you in 5 hours of gameplay is still there in PoE, it just takes more time/actual thought to achieve, and because of that, is far more satisfying in my opinion, especially with the freedom of making all kinds of silly combinations work out in the end.
@ 6:00 exactly, once i approached the game from a different perspective im having TONS of fun, also cant wait to start new creative builds, like warrior with summons etc, for an early access game im so happy with it
immediate subscribe you are so wholesome and not like OMG WHY WAS I WASTING SO MUCH TIME ON D4 WHAT A HORRIBLE GAME and more accepting. Keep up the good work and hope you make more vids about poe2! I also was a d4 player but then switched to this game and never went back.
It was the second day to me when I realized how incredibly good this game is. I had to reset my mindset about playing the classics like PoE and Diablos and think of it as a game I haven't played before. Just let it grow on me as such. Then I realized it doesn't have to feel so fast rather than enjoy the real fun in the mechanics. But unfortunately I think as such none of the other classes are nearly as enjoyable as monk. Destroying mobs with insane combos and timing your hits and dodge rolls, yet always having that pressure of missing the beat and getting totally annihilated. I haven't had this much fun in arpg since Elden Ring. There's a huge balancing still ahead for GGG to make it nearly as fun to play as with monk. And this is exactly what GGG did absolutely right. They already got PoE which is arguably the most comprehensive Diablo type of game with continuous never ending devwlopment that creates new leagues based on fan comments. There was no reason to make remaster of the game that is still running and it looks insanely good for its age. They made a new game with different perspective, serving the other types if hardcore gamers who for example enjoyed getting beaten in Souls games or dungeon crawlers.
Yeah I think the way it gets better when you adjust your mindset is just a testament to how POE2 is really evolving the genre and not just doing the same thing as before.
Diablo makes me think I'm wasting time if I'm not blasting through content. I don't even remember what mobs in zones look like. They're just there to explode. Every build is just 'pick whatever skill is favored this season, max the damage on it and reduce your cooldowns as much as possible and mash buttons'. PoE2 is actually fun to slow down. I enjoy the slower pace of combat and actually having to pay attention to what's going on.
Review from a lvl 80 Infernalist Witch player. Short version. "The campaign is extremely slow and tedious. Boss fights are great, but having to walk through immense zones killing the same kind of mobs over and over and over for so long bored me to death."
Great video I'm in a similar boat as you & 100% agree. For me both games are different enough & while I'm greatly enjoying my time with POE2 right now, I'll definitely go back to D4 at some point, love that game.
5:45 to 6:15 - The most important part of your video! Perspective is a powerful mindset to have in order to attain a greater understanding on what you want to experience! Very smart way to look at PoE2. Expectations can make or break your experience, and what you said is exactly how I feel about this game. It's not a traditional, cookie cutter arpg we would normally expect, and it's done very well. Everything you stated was so well said!
dude yea took me a while to make this separation of "this is not ur avg arpg"... legit one piece of gear with life on hit and increased attack speed clicked for me and helped me survive more as a melee. Also... freeze is a game changer in terms of stopping incoming dmg. I still prefer the fast explosive combat graphics or D4 tho. Plus I played POE2 on PS5 and the dodging isn't as accurate as id like, on the Act1 boss, wolf king I got clipped by his aoe abilities so many times... still as a monk haven't defeated it yet even with 30%+ frost resistance built up. utilizing support gems to increase my stun bar generation helps but I still die a lot. Weird being 1 shotted by an ability even though I'm over leveled and geared up. Definitely more of a skill check and placement issue. I just wanted a relaxing fun game to chill with... but this is not it.
Great insights. Yeah I heard they had to patch fix some of the collisions so I wonder if that might’ve been one of them. Still not quite as bad as the original uber Lilith fight though ;)
I'm a diablo fan so i played D4 and i enjoyed it till it got boring, but POE 2 is mind blowing, usualy i don't replay games once i started i stick to my favorite class but for POE is totaly deffirent, i like to go throw it several time because every time i get more familiar with the game's system and mechanics, it's a real masterpiece
God damnnn my dude!! I just wanted to give you a massive shout out for creating such a fantastic, well thought out, and well spoken video!! I’m blown away that you don’t have more than 3k subs for the quality of content you just created my dude!! I just wanted to let you know that you absolutely have a place on UA-cam as a content creator if you’re putting out such works of art, such as this video, regularly! Keep up the great work my dude! I wish you all the best with your bright future on here! I look forward to catching more of your content! *liked, and subbed* 🫡
Thanks that means a lot. I work full time and have a family so even though I used to do a fair bit of UA-cam, everyday life nowadays has made it hard to post content on any sort of consistent basis, but after the response to this vid I really feel like I need to give it another go.
Imo in some aspects Last Epoch is better than PoE2... skill progression especially. I mean, you can drastically change how certain skill works aka. it has its own skill tree. Imagine something similar in PoE2.
LE has its issues. Many builds and skills you'd want to invest points into just don’t work, and the respeccing system is overly time-consuming. Additionally, the map designs feel low effort and awkward, making replayability less enjoyable.
Learn to progress skills, gems, ascendary, weapon, gear combine them with paragon tree ! I love how this game just progress the art and the how the brain need to work through this game ! 🤩 Feels like old games when you need patient, work rate and use the brain !
This is only how it feels in the campaign. In the end game your power level scales up to what you is common in both D4 and POE 1. As do the loot drops.
@@elqord.1118 yeah definitely. There seem to be some big issues at end game but the first 3 Acts are solid fun, even if it’s a bit challenging at first. Keep in mind though that the campaign story isn’t finished and Acts 4 to 6 is just a repeat of the first 3 on a higher difficulty.
As soon as I saw the video about the POE2 beta release, I stopped playing D4 immediately. I play POE2 a lot now, and have not even considered loading up D4 ever again. The gamer experience in POE2 is FANTASTIC! You can tell that these developers LOVE their game!
I enjoy the game cause I treat it as a game, not as a certain genre and then expect it to play a certain way. I mean what happened to just having fun instead of ticking off boxes?
I think poe2 is something special. I think it can be played in different many ways, regular leagues can be fun because of trade or making currency but in hardcore ssf it might be like a roguelike. It's really interesting when you get into it. This game also requires alot of build analyzing which might be dauunting but D4 lacked totally.
I run a simple build with +35% magic/rarity find, and it together with the loot changes of the recent patch have me drowning in gear even before getting to Maps.
New to arpgs, just picked up D4. It's such a refreshingly fun game to play. Currently lvl 45 on my Spiritborn. I almost got poe2 but for me fast combat and great story/cinematics is what i wanted. Plus the fact D4 has a mount makes my progress around the map feel more substantial even if i dont have a ton of time to play. Lastly the mmo features like random world events is great. Seeing players converge on a spot makes the game feel like an mmo and as a GW2 fan i appreciate that
the maps resetting after a certain time is for server capacity reasons i believe. in poe often later in a season when there were less players, they would stay open much longer iirc.
Its slow and crunchy like D2. The only thing I can ask for would be a game with PoE2's systems but the uncanny valley of D2's missing frames of animation. It still visually holds up because of its limitations it feels unsettling.
I was super looking forward to that change, but honestly some of the maps still feel too large. I feel like the pacing could improve if they decreased the size of most maps by about a third, keep the large size for a some though for variation where it makes sense.
I've played Diablo from 1, including bata's. 4K hrs in D3 HC. D4, (facepalm) Great story line. That's all. No end game, hate this rinse and repeat seasonal thing. SOOOO glad I was talked into POE2 by my friends. Early access/Beta, whatever. Very finished, and it's not even out yet. I'm liking it. Right at the start, the game lets you know you are in something different. 800 yards from beach, little boss that said "COME HERE!" dead. Yea, ok, this is different.
you can log off with a portal, and it will be there when you log on again. but even after the lootupdate im still sometimes stuck cause i havent gotten the correct look for weapon
Yesterday I run through all area only to meet up with boss. Had to go for quick piss, I opened a portal came back from toiled after 2 minutes and my portal was gone and all area reset. I had to run it all over again…
"So let me take you back, to shortly before PoE2's release.." ma dude, PoE2 is on version 0.1.0e. This OBVIOUSLY isn't a release, but an early Beta version. There is no real tuning/balancing at all, right now. At this point they still are working on testing and troubleshooting mechanics. I recommend to you coming back to PoE2 in 3 years. Until then, most mechanics should be fixed and kinda balanced. Btw, PoE started in a similar fashion and developed from there. I really enjoyed the early, hard and untuned times. And I enjoy it in PoE2 Beta, too. Welcome to PoE :)
The main difference between D4 and POE2. Customization is endless and your not locked into same old builds. The maps actually look different and feel new, in D4 everything looks the same, but in POE2 each new area is a new experience with new enemies that bring different challenges to the table. D4 every enemy is just a skin, you dont really care what your fighting because they are all the same and act the same. In D4 you wont really die or struggle like you will in POE2
My main problem with Diablo 4 is how the game basically throws builds in your face through item aspects and there’s nothing to really figure out. You just look for bigger numbers on gear and that’s literally it
I'm a kid of the 80's, and I've always played games for FUN. I think the world has gone mad, and people take fun WAY too seriously these days. Why the hell would you dedicate yourself to one game when there are so many awesome games to play?! That said I'm also having a blast in POE 2, and also intend to keep dropping in to D4 whenever there's new content. I agree they're both different enough from each other; Diablo IV is mindless fun (power fantasy, slay hordes of demons, insane cut scenes, amazing transmog system and armour designs, mounts and open world. POE rewards more serious engagement, the more you put in the more you get out. Higher highs and lower lows, so far so good!
I don't know if this got any better in diablo 4 because I stopped playing before the 1st season came out, lol. But LOOT was terrible in diablo 4, like I had a full backpack all the time and had to check all the items, which felt like a chore.
I'm really struggling in PoE2 right now (I'm expert at dying), but I can tell I'm going to enjoy this completely different "genre" of gaming. YW is spot on in his analysis - there is no comparison between D4 and PoE2. The only real question is which game are you willing to spend more freetime on? I gave D4 6 seasons to come up with a game that appeals to my preferred gaming style. Now I'm going to give the same opportunity to PoE2. I just have to make it over this steep learning curve.
yes and it's also a natural result it seems for almost any company that becomes publicly traded. The customer is the gamer second and the share holders first.
Thank you for this review. I play d4 now and like it in general, but it has some major flaws. From what you're saying seems like poe2 will be better. Even the bad stuff in poe2sound great.
After playing poe2 then going back to d4, feels like night and day. D4 is like is in turbo mode. Poe2 is difficult but it aint soulslike...stay away from blasters they ruin the fun play the game the way u want it to be.
The way you can customize so much is amazing. I customize separate skill trees for each weapon set. POE2 is really the Linux of ARPGs I wonder which ARPG would be Windows?
@@interdimensionalsteve8172 it's how you can do your moves with the Skill gems and you add support gems to the skill gems for different and amplified effects. But right now it's bare-bones so it loses it's fun pretty fast for now. I say Wait till full release.
How about the difficulty progression? I feel like thats one thing missing from d4. I found myself getting bored often bc the game never felt more challenging?
Yeah I may have to make a video on that eventually, but actually for me the difficulty (after completing the campaign at least) WAS just about perfect the way it was right before Vessel of Hatred. You could skip the campaign and go to higher level strongholds or 10+ level helltides to level up with challenging content, and then as soon as you get NM dungeons you could start regularly pushing content 10, 20, to 30 levels above your character as soon as your build was ready. That and being able to unlock higher world tiers the moment you were strong enough felt great. I liked seeing how far below the recommended level for capstone dungeons I could get each run while unlocking the higher world tiers. The only real issue was the campaign, which was so long ago for me that I don't remember exactly how hard it was, but if you want a challenge there just play barb or druid, and don't masterwork any gear before you finish. BUT... I kinda think Vessel of Hatred changed all that. The world tiers are now just a flat across the board difficulty increase so all the dynamic control you had before, like doing a NMD 30 levels over your character for a challenge and then relaxing with a Helltide or Stronghold that is only maybe 10 above for a break, etc., is virtually gone now. And I don't know exactly how they changed enemy balancing, but after Vessel of Hatred I felt like the enemies were all a LOT beefier, but they hardly did any damage half the time, so it's the most boring combination of long drawn out fights with no real risk. I actually have some footage of me standing in the middle of one of the second to last boss fights in the expansion, literally standing in the middle of the screen for a good 5 minutes without any risk of dieing.
Something weird happened with me. I bought D4 and got bored after making it about half way through the game. When POE2 came out I loved it but found it too hard. I made it into the second act but can't beat some of the bosses there and I'm sick of trying. So I went back to D4 and am now loving it. I am almost through the main game and am about to start the expansion. Thank you POE2 for making me like D4. I'm going to finish D4 and then go back and give POE2 another shot.
That's a pretty interesting journey. I'm actually curious how I'll feel when I go back to play D4 next season. There is so much I'm loving now about POE2, but there are definitely things I miss from D4 as well though. Hope you like the expansion. I liked a lot of what they added, but the story didn't hit quite as hard for me as it did in the original campaign.
Thank you for sharing. Your closing thoughts synch with me. I am old enough to remember playing the original Diablo when it first came out. I dislike the speediness of modern day diablo games. The original Diablo was slow, methodical & had strong horror elements. I still remember the fear & excitement I felt taking on the Blood Raven in Diablo2. Ironically, POE2 fulfils this instead of Diablo 3 or 4. I've never asked for seasons. I still remembering farming Mephisto in D2. How many of us still remember what MSLE stands for in D2? It is strange that GGG POE2 is the successor of Diablo.
My thoughts exactly. When I played the original Diablo after playing D3 and other modern ARPG's I was surprised out how slow and methodical it was. Almost like an old school rogue-like. After that ARPG's went more down the power fantasy route, but POE2 feels like an alternate timeline where ARPG's built on that old school feel instead.
That's a really interesting question. I'm working on a video now going into what different gamers are looking for in an ARPG, so I guess maybe it depends on where you are coming from. If you play Elden ring and or Somewhat punishing rogue-likes POE2 is not a bad place to start, but if your more into mainstream AAA style D4 is a good introduction to ARPG mechanics with a super gripping campaign story. If you play lots of older games though, I might suggest jumping into Diablo 2 or even 1. Also Grim Dawn is quite good too.
I was a bit frustrated at first with the loot but once I understood how it works and what the goal is (crafting and hunting for items on vendors), I've started to enjoy the game a lot more. Add that to the amazing boss fights and I think this is a masterpiece of a game, even though it's not the usual ARPG
The graphics, the animations, and special effects are so much better than d4. I wasn't initially hooked on poe2, but once it clicked it was really awesome. D4 is done.
You can fast-travel from checkpoint to checkpoint. Would be cool if the game introduced me to this mechanic earlier and not through yt. So no backtracking is needed.
Before even talking about gameplay, Blizz has 13k employees vs GGG's 156 employees per Google. Just shows a perspective on how much you'll spend playing D4 with them wanting to charge for an expansion every year with content much smaller than PoE's. The more content in PoE2, the busier you'll be with it but with D4 being easier and faster, you'll finish the game faster and needing to open your wallet for more dopamine (hmm strategically planned that way?).
Many players have mentioned d2 with poe2. What makes me love d2 is the dopamine effect finding rare items or runes, do you get the same feeling in poe 2? If so, when?
Played both D4 and Poe 2. The thing I like about POE 2 is the difficulty from the get go. Compared to D4. POE 2 gets difficult way quicker. In the D4 at launch the only difficult part was the dungeons to get into higher difficulty of very high keys (i cant remember thename).
So rare drops are actually rare? Sounds like the original d2
It’s what D3 should have been in my opinion
Yeah, almost makes me think other games may have to rename their "rare" drops to just be called "slightly less common" drops
It's not the only similarity. The act locations themselves roughly mirror the acts from D2.
@@yazuki-wolf lol
@@jadenwagener3259 and much more. and i love it =)
seems people are use to blazing through and getting amazing gear really fast in these types of games. Then they play POE 2 expecting the same thing. The developer purposely made it slower and more challenging; they don't want players to burn through the content at blazing speed, and most weren't prepared for it. so a lot of players are being negative about the game because they can't blaze through the content to max level in a day or two. to me, its a good thing. I am having a blast playing this game and am looking forward to the full release.
Diablo has been the type of game we’re even the first skeletons in the first dungeons could kill you. Then D3 changed everything and it became a rushfestival where players did not have anything that stood against them. Since then, this just continued
I hope that the devs do not change this.
@gikal8118 they did though.. like a while ago.. there's so many early rare drops and crafting materials now that the game is a faceroll
Well the value of these games is that speed, skipping the story and just focusing on the build of the character, the build of the gear, and getting back to base with loot that lets you make upgrades to your build. If PoE2 thinks its more important than a mere click em up for casual gamers and dad gamers thats a bad thing not a good thing. If i want a true RPG ill play one. Its the only value of the genre is to be a speed run click em up fest for Blizzard mass appeal casuals and WoW types. If i wasnt a real challenge ill play a competitive online game like Dota or CS2 or Aoe2. These games are for casual dads and it was never that deep. I think ARPG players take themselves too seriously and dont realize the masses just want to have a fun build. Its like they played the game and liked it and never stopped like normal people and look for something deeper but its just a cope. Nobody cares these games arent hard, they are not supposed to be hard.
@nutellabrah6718 at launch it was hard and I actually really enjoyed that, I loved dying to bosses and having to learn the mechanics to overcome the challenges. Then when they upped the rare drop rates on my second run I was decked out in rares within a couple hours and just plowed through everything and it felt cheap not even having to care about boss mechanics anymore. It became so easy there wasnt even a thrill in getting gear because why would i even need gear when im already mincing level 20 stuff in my level 6 rares.. The thrill of real danger was gone at that point so I ended up putting it down
POE2 is the ARPG I've been wanting for a long time.
Since the original diablo 2
Totally. There are a bunch of things I've always disliked in ARPGs that I thought were just part of the genre and couldn't be changed, but POE2 actually changes them.
@@yazuki-wolf I completely agree
@@yazuki-wolf when you get checkpoints during the fighting, you don’t have to run across the whole map. You can just go up to the checkpoint click on it, so you can fast travel to any checkpoint that you activated. That way you can finish everything on the map because there’s hidden stuff like legendary armor and weapons.
D4 is still better
My preference is D4 >POE2 > D2
I don't know if D4 and PoE 2 should be in the same conversation. A game with thousands of developers against a game consisted of just more than 100... allegedly. It absolutely blows my mind... that PoE2 has more content in early access than D4 had on release for half the price. Comparing D4 to PoE2 is praise that D4 and Blizzard do not deserve. Diablo 4 failed at making a PoE-like game.
You wanna know why poe2 is so good? David Brevik works for GGG lol the original creator of diablo 2. Not only that but they have multiple diablo 2 devs as well
and this people like you do not understand, D4 is a game for the masses, console players that play on their couch, casual players that can play 1-2hours a week and want to have fun by easily blast the game, so the design of the game is completely different from poe, D4 devs said even before the release that D4 will never be a complicate/difficult game.
D4 and poe2 are 2 games of the same genre but completely different and both having different players base, so both are very decent, depends what you looking for.
@@Pl4sm0 "people like you", who? You are repeating what they said, you good lil bro?
Diablo 4 didn't even have resistances working for months.
They're both Arpgs so they can be in same conversation
Holy shit, I didn't even notice the search function in the passive skill tree 😳
same
I agree with the last statement, it's the same for me. I enjoy playing D4 in a seasonal way, trying new things, having a blast, and moving on. I play Poe 1 for a long period of time and go back to D4 whenever a new season drops. I don't understand why people have to compare both games since they focus on different aspects. Just play what you want, how you want!
Love your take on the game and as a game artist myself, one which started out wanting to be a mangaka long ago, I've had a blast watching some of your old videos. Keep this up man, video was well produced.
Awesome man!
and apologies for the horrible audio in those old vids (>.
I’ve spent a significant amount of time in Diablo 4, having purchased it for $100. However, I’m currently enjoying Poe2 much more, and I just upgraded again tonight.
Even my girlfriend, who has never played PoE,plays it for hours right next to me while I play.
I’m currently playing mercenary, and I’m thoroughly enjoying it. It’s much easier than I had anticipated. It took me significantly more tries to defeat bosses as a monk, but with my mercenary, I’ve managed to almost every boss until Act 3 on my first try. The only exception was the big giant knight, which took me about five tries.
Thanks for the honest and personal explanation of this. Like you even mention in this video, i might have expected thd classic "simple minded D4 noob huehue", but instead we got a really heartfelt video on what you enjoyed about this game. And yes i agree D4 and PoE2 are going for different things, so of course people should enjoy them for what they are. Its heartening to hear people being open and malleable to new things, and i think you came to see a lot of aspects about the game others do as well. Its still just beta, and i honestly hope they work on it for anither year, but its already a blast. Great video mare, cheers
I think almost anyone who have played Diablo 4 for the last 18-20 months, can take a break and play something else for a while. Doesn't mean the other game is better, or you will ultimately never play D4 again. Gamers play different games. It's OK. I myself will probably be playing PoE2 for the next few months at least. I definitely like the combat more than D4 (slower). But I am sure there will come a time when I have played so much of it, I might feel like playing something different for a bit then too. Hopefully No Rest for the Wicked in on the scene around that time.
im never returning to D4 again. Blizzard doesnt deserve my time and money for releasing such a s1t game.
People defend the game they've invested time and money into, and that's understandable. However, for most, PoE2 is the better long-term choice, while D4 serves as a short break to unwind before diving back into PoE2.
@@Zemlja_je_ravna Who are you talking about when you say "for most"? I feel that is nonsense sorry. If you mean, "for most PoE players", maybe you're right. But I and many others have played D4 for more than a year and a half. That wasn't some "short break"; so not sure where that statement has any validity. As mentioned, everyone has what suits them more... one doesn't have to be better than the other, as your comment tries to inject. Screams bias.
Ultimately, who like D4 is looking for a social game, who like POE2 is more for a single person grind. A person can like both in different moment of life.
@@WavefrontProductions POE is a much more social game, the first one and the second one. You can tell that by looking at the chat and seeing how the community interacts. POE is actually one of the most social games that's not an MMORPG that I've played.
As a new player , my friend explained trading and paid stashes. It’s so game changing I’m shocked no one talks about it to beginners. It fundamentally changes how you play the game and gear.
Yeah I picked up some paid stashes and they help a lot.
I appreciate the balanced take on this. I'm not a Diablo player at all or a veteran PoE1 player, but I AM a veteran Souls player and long time roguelike fanatic, and I gotta say I am IN LOVE with PoE2. The extreme difficulty and the practical infinity of the build craft make this game a more rewarding experience than anything else I've ever played. It just feels great to get destroyed by a boss repeatedly, re-evaluate your build and realize you were leaving 300% more DPS on the table, fix it up, then go utterly destroy the boss. I also love that bosses are a forced skill check in terms of both build and player ability. Some bosses force you to get up close and personal and dodge roll like a maniac, some force you to play at range or get one shot, but they all force you to view your build in a different light, and teach you hard earned lessons that you will ABSOLUTELY need to be able to make it through the following content. I also really dig that there are no optional mechanics in this game. You HAVE to engage with the systems and understand them to succeed. There are no progression mechanics that feel like they are a waste of time, or can just be skipped over trivially. Many games these days don't give a single shit how smart or skilled you are as a player, they will hand hold every step of the way and give you pats on the back and free items constantly which completely negate/invalidate the progression of your power fantasy, as well as perverting and bypassing the game's existing progression mechanics. Why design mechanics if you're going to then invalidate them though absurd XP rate weekends, copious amounts of free items just for logging in, microtransactions, etc? The answer is either that the mechanics are bad to begin with, or were stripped of their actual value and then repackaged at cost to you by greedy game developers, or simply tone deaf devs who think their players are idiots who need to be spoon fed every second of "gameplay". I'm just sick of games that appeal to the lowest common denominator, and in doing so, strip absolutely anything from the game which requires basic reading comprehension, critical thinking skills, or even something as simple as actually understanding and enjoying the game world/lore. Path of Exile 2 is not that game, and strives in every regard to NOT be like those games. It respects your intelligence, and asks you to bring your best to the table.
Totally agree!
Those reasons you outlined are the very reasons why i like PoE 2, Terraria and V-Rising.
GET DOWN!
Wow bro that was like an essay for PoE2 and gaming in general. Well said!!👊🏾
Yea this is over complicating it badly. The game revolves around dodgeroll and thats it. That isnt a good thing. All mechanics come down to dodge it with roll. Especially high end where you can have a shit ton of resistances but if you dont dodge its over.
The game is not extremely difficult IDK why people think it is. Maybe they are new to the genre or have bad mechanics.
@@maxpowers4436 You're oversimplifying it. It' fine to have issues with the game, but let's not pretend my stated opinion is parading itself as a fact and then base our responses under that premise. 😉 I find this reductive. Dodge roll does matter a LOT. However, I've found that any time I had severe difficulty with a boss I found to seem impossible, or even the ascendancy trials, I found a way to beat them through improving my build or realizing the game was trying to get me to fight like I'm smart. For example, I had a really rough time fighting Viper in Act 3 due to her ranged poison attacks one shotting me most of the time, despite dodge rolling to the best of my ability. I realized I could just run up to her and hit her hard once with Hexblast to break her out of that attack pattern entirely. This is the kind of thing I mean, it's not that dodge rolling is bad, it's that people aren't willing to play this like it's a game and instead treat it like a product they bought which is malfunctioning the first instance they have a hard time. You have to be willing to experiment and try new things and treat this as the unique experience that it is. The game has its problems FOR SURE, and I do think a lot of stuff is overtuned, but let's not kid ourselves about what's really going on here: people who get mad when they play video games and lose repeatedly are the ones who are generally having a bad time, and the ones who don't are generally having a good time. 1000% mindset.
everytime you level up, you can check vendors for new upgraded stock, useful way to gear alts with gold you earn with higher character
6:59 the PoE passive tree doesn’t look so big when you realize it’s just one tree for all of the classes
but it's really REALLY well laid out, and then you're hit with the ascendancy class tree!
As an old gamer who played D1 week one and D2 just as quick, D3 took some time to even like 1 run through of the campaign and I only did that for story mostly. All this season stuff does nothing for me. POE2 feels like the old days with a huge skill tree tacked on for good measure! Bravo to them and to you for recognizing the difference.
I think the note that they're not trying to be the same thing hits the nail on the head, especially considering so many PoE1 die hards have had their butts hurt than PoE2 is so different. There's a space for both games i totally agree with you, I'm loving PoE2 and was burnt out in D4 s6, but that helltide clip of bursting numbers gave me a feel, which tells me that yeah, I'll be maining PoE2 for the forseeable, but I'll definitely be playing D4 s7 too. Great vid mate.
Thanks, and yeah it's so true. It's a great time to be a gamer. Especially when you are open to see the good in numerous games.
Im in endgame with the Monk and I absolutely love it. And BIG agree on the boss fights. They are just perfect. And I adore the fact the map resets if you wait too long, and I also LOVE that the badguys all come back every time when you die - helps for levelling. After lvl 70, you start losing Exp when you die! Gets crazy.
Diablo 4 got me into ARPGs but after I put over a hundred hours into Last Epoch and I'm already over halfway there with no signs of slowing down in PoE2, I could never go back
Nice! Yeah Diablo in general is great for introducing people to ARPGs. I came in from D3.
I'm feeling the same way about POE2 in so many ways. Good video!
I played d2,d3 and d4 till s1. Poe1 never got me, i expectet that poe2 would be good but damn it hit me like a truck. Cant stop playing.
Cant imagine how it will be on release
Great video. I really enjoyed listening your experience. Now I’m convinced to go for POE2. I played D4 demo but seems the same mechanics than D3: 10 hours to build a broken hero and then go grinding just to be stronger enough to get bored.
I was in the POE beta. What a ride it's been since way back then. Now I, and it looks like you, get to experience this next adventure in POE 2.
thank you for your very groundet- founded opinion and thaughts of this Matter.
i think its very valuable to hear exact this, because its simply the most true words about the objective between these 2 games.
both games are just different and i hope they stay diffrent.
i hope many others have these deep thaughts on this matter because its players like you and not the screaming mass taht will wupport those games the most, as they deserve
You mentioned that changing the way you look at the game made you enjoy the game more. I think it's best to approach pretty much any game as it is. PoE is so far the only ARPG I've played (and still play from time to time). I didn't think 'oh let's find out how this game genre plays'. The gem system is the thing I've wanted in the other types of RPG's I've played. To some extend Warframe does a similar job, which is also one of the reasons I played that quite a lot.
So I'd say always have an open mind when approaching games, don't try to box everything in. If a game has a sequell, then you should ofcourse expect a similar game.
POE2 is d2 successor I’ll die on this hill
absolutly !!! you can see it everywhere that POE2 is honoring D2 loD a lot.
PoE makes you THINK about your character. What problems do you have? How do I solve those problems? Am I using good support gems? Do my skills all work in conjunction with one another? Do I have enough HP/resists to stay alive? These are slightly harder to solve in early-access poe2 compared to poe1, but they are still able to be solved with some planning. The extreme power-fantasy that D4 gives you in 5 hours of gameplay is still there in PoE, it just takes more time/actual thought to achieve, and because of that, is far more satisfying in my opinion, especially with the freedom of making all kinds of silly combinations work out in the end.
@ 6:00 exactly,
once i approached the game from a different perspective im having TONS of fun,
also cant wait to start new creative builds, like warrior with summons etc,
for an early access game im so happy with it
As a diablo player who loves the OG D2, This game is everything we have been waiting for. D4 just can't keep me entertained for long.
I'm never going back. I am now an Exile.
immediate subscribe you are so wholesome and not like OMG WHY WAS I WASTING SO MUCH TIME ON D4 WHAT A HORRIBLE GAME and more accepting. Keep up the good work and hope you make more vids about poe2! I also was a d4 player but then switched to this game and never went back.
It was the second day to me when I realized how incredibly good this game is. I had to reset my mindset about playing the classics like PoE and Diablos and think of it as a game I haven't played before. Just let it grow on me as such. Then I realized it doesn't have to feel so fast rather than enjoy the real fun in the mechanics. But unfortunately I think as such none of the other classes are nearly as enjoyable as monk. Destroying mobs with insane combos and timing your hits and dodge rolls, yet always having that pressure of missing the beat and getting totally annihilated. I haven't had this much fun in arpg since Elden Ring. There's a huge balancing still ahead for GGG to make it nearly as fun to play as with monk.
And this is exactly what GGG did absolutely right. They already got PoE which is arguably the most comprehensive Diablo type of game with continuous never ending devwlopment that creates new leagues based on fan comments. There was no reason to make remaster of the game that is still running and it looks insanely good for its age. They made a new game with different perspective, serving the other types if hardcore gamers who for example enjoyed getting beaten in Souls games or dungeon crawlers.
Yeah I think the way it gets better when you adjust your mindset is just a testament to how POE2 is really evolving the genre and not just doing the same thing as before.
Diablo makes me think I'm wasting time if I'm not blasting through content. I don't even remember what mobs in zones look like. They're just there to explode. Every build is just 'pick whatever skill is favored this season, max the damage on it and reduce your cooldowns as much as possible and mash buttons'. PoE2 is actually fun to slow down. I enjoy the slower pace of combat and actually having to pay attention to what's going on.
Welcome exile! This is just the beginning, there's more to come 😍
Review from a lvl 80 Infernalist Witch player. Short version.
"The campaign is extremely slow and tedious. Boss fights are great, but having to walk through immense zones killing the same kind of mobs over and over and over for so long bored me to death."
Whats the point of reviewing a pre-release game? It’s not even out yet.
You basically described the aRPG genre. Well done.
So doing endgame activities walking thru the immense zone kiling the same mob over and over again is not boring ?
Thanks. Saved me a purchase
I don't care witch game is better but your passive tree just made my day XD
As someone who never played diablo, but have played maplestory a lot- the loot is extremely generous from my perspective 😅
I believe the devs have responded with feedback and have increased the drop rates :)
true, it's definitely felt better lately. Just enough boost without going overboard. Rare's and Unique's still feel special.
The fog of war after game crash is just criminal.
good approach! Good video! Btw, I like the open ending xD
such a smooth review maid
Great video I'm in a similar boat as you & 100% agree. For me both games are different enough & while I'm greatly enjoying my time with POE2 right now, I'll definitely go back to D4 at some point, love that game.
Droprates:
D4: an endorphin casino
PoE: real life
5:45 to 6:15 - The most important part of your video! Perspective is a powerful mindset to have in order to attain a greater understanding on what you want to experience! Very smart way to look at PoE2. Expectations can make or break your experience, and what you said is exactly how I feel about this game. It's not a traditional, cookie cutter arpg we would normally expect, and it's done very well. Everything you stated was so well said!
dude yea took me a while to make this separation of "this is not ur avg arpg"... legit one piece of gear with life on hit and increased attack speed clicked for me and helped me survive more as a melee. Also... freeze is a game changer in terms of stopping incoming dmg. I still prefer the fast explosive combat graphics or D4 tho. Plus I played POE2 on PS5 and the dodging isn't as accurate as id like, on the Act1 boss, wolf king I got clipped by his aoe abilities so many times... still as a monk haven't defeated it yet even with 30%+ frost resistance built up. utilizing support gems to increase my stun bar generation helps but I still die a lot. Weird being 1 shotted by an ability even though I'm over leveled and geared up. Definitely more of a skill check and placement issue.
I just wanted a relaxing fun game to chill with... but this is not it.
Great insights. Yeah I heard they had to patch fix some of the collisions so I wonder if that might’ve been one of them. Still not quite as bad as the original uber Lilith fight though ;)
Have you tried V rising? If you like ARPG's there's a great chance you'll love it
I'll vouch for this. ARPG meets survival/crafting in very good way.
I'm a diablo fan so i played D4 and i enjoyed it till it got boring, but POE 2 is mind blowing, usualy i don't replay games once i started i stick to my favorite class but for POE is totaly deffirent, i like to go throw it several time because every time i get more familiar with the game's system and mechanics, it's a real masterpiece
4:14 use your orbes on gear and check NPC vendor he has new gear everytime you level up..
God damnnn my dude!! I just wanted to give you a massive shout out for creating such a fantastic, well thought out, and well spoken video!! I’m blown away that you don’t have more than 3k subs for the quality of content you just created my dude!! I just wanted to let you know that you absolutely have a place on UA-cam as a content creator if you’re putting out such works of art, such as this video, regularly!
Keep up the great work my dude! I wish you all the best with your bright future on here! I look forward to catching more of your content! *liked, and subbed* 🫡
Thanks that means a lot.
I work full time and have a family so even though I used to do a fair bit of UA-cam, everyday life nowadays has made it hard to post content on any sort of consistent basis, but after the response to this vid I really feel like I need to give it another go.
a solid review!
Question for you sir: have you (also) tried *Last Epoch* ? How would you compare it to D4 & POE2 (early access, that is)?
Right now so far this is how I see them. POE2>Last Epoch>D4 imo
PoE2>>>LE>D4
Imo in some aspects Last Epoch is better than PoE2... skill progression especially. I mean, you can drastically change how certain skill works aka. it has its own skill tree. Imagine something similar in PoE2.
I prefer crafting in poe then LE. It's take to much from a game. In last epoch I feel like its crafting game with ARPGs elements
LE has its issues. Many builds and skills you'd want to invest points into just don’t work, and the respeccing system is overly time-consuming. Additionally, the map designs feel low effort and awkward, making replayability less enjoyable.
Learn to progress skills, gems, ascendary, weapon, gear combine them with paragon tree ! I love how this game just progress the art and the how the brain need to work through this game ! 🤩 Feels like old games when you need patient, work rate and use the brain !
This is only how it feels in the campaign. In the end game your power level scales up to what you is common in both D4 and POE 1. As do the loot drops.
Yeah I’m just reaching that point now and it does feel very different. I’ll probably have to do a follow up
So I don’t care about end game and what not. I just want to solo the campaign. Is it any good?
@@elqord.1118 yeah definitely. There seem to be some big issues at end game but the first 3 Acts are solid fun, even if it’s a bit challenging at first. Keep in mind though that the campaign story isn’t finished and Acts 4 to 6 is just a repeat of the first 3 on a higher difficulty.
Have you ever tried Last Epoch?
Perfect middle ground between PoE1 and D3
That game is way too easy
Nah that game would be grim dawn.
@@maxpowers4436i agree that game is Grim Dawn
@@DBTHEPLUG it...really isn't
@@maxpowers4436 I played GD
that one is not even remotely like either D3 or PoE1
As soon as I saw the video about the POE2 beta release, I stopped playing D4 immediately. I play POE2 a lot now, and have not even considered loading up D4 ever again. The gamer experience in POE2 is FANTASTIC! You can tell that these developers LOVE their game!
PoE 2 is finally the spiritual successor we all wanted for diablo 2. GGG absolutely cooked with this one.
I enjoy the game cause I treat it as a game, not as a certain genre and then expect it to play a certain way.
I mean what happened to just having fun instead of ticking off boxes?
I think poe2 is something special. I think it can be played in different many ways, regular leagues can be fun because of trade or making currency but in hardcore ssf it might be like a roguelike. It's really interesting when you get into it. This game also requires alot of build analyzing which might be dauunting but D4 lacked totally.
I run a simple build with +35% magic/rarity find, and it together with the loot changes of the recent patch have me drowning in gear even before getting to Maps.
New to arpgs, just picked up D4. It's such a refreshingly fun game to play. Currently lvl 45 on my Spiritborn. I almost got poe2 but for me fast combat and great story/cinematics is what i wanted. Plus the fact D4 has a mount makes my progress around the map feel more substantial even if i dont have a ton of time to play. Lastly the mmo features like random world events is great. Seeing players converge on a spot makes the game feel like an mmo and as a GW2 fan i appreciate that
You know what you want, you want Project Diablo 2. Thank me when your 70 and still enjoying the best ARPG
Glad you're enjoying it. It's definitely improved a lot since release, and Spiritborn is super fun.
the maps resetting after a certain time is for server capacity reasons i believe. in poe often later in a season when there were less players, they would stay open much longer iirc.
Good video. I'd definitely like to hear an update when you get to mapping
Nice take👍🏻
heavy impactful combat in d4?
Its slow and crunchy like D2. The only thing I can ask for would be a game with PoE2's systems but the uncanny valley of D2's missing frames of animation. It still visually holds up because of its limitations it feels unsettling.
PoE2 is the actual successor to D2. Everything put forward in this video is proof of that.
I don’t know you but I subbed because I want to see you progress. Let’s go!
Thanks man. I'm pretty rusty at the youtube thing, but I'll do my best to keep things rolling!
Yazuki, how do you feel now that you can teleport between checkpoints on the map?
I was super looking forward to that change, but honestly some of the maps still feel too large.
I feel like the pacing could improve if they decreased the size of most maps by about a third, keep the large size for a some though for variation where it makes sense.
Good summary and the "exit Diablo 4" hesitation at the end made me laugh...
I've played Diablo from 1, including bata's. 4K hrs in D3 HC. D4, (facepalm) Great story line. That's all. No end game, hate this rinse and repeat seasonal thing. SOOOO glad I was talked into POE2 by my friends. Early access/Beta, whatever. Very finished, and it's not even out yet. I'm liking it. Right at the start, the game lets you know you are in something different. 800 yards from beach, little boss that said "COME HERE!" dead. Yea, ok, this is different.
you can log off with a portal, and it will be there when you log on again. but even after the lootupdate im still sometimes stuck cause i havent gotten the correct look for weapon
Yeah I just heard about that from a tips video. Wish it was a bit more clear that that's how it works, but now that I know it helps a lot.
@@yazuki-wolf yeah, i discovered by an accident. as you say, its not clear, at all
Yesterday I run through all area only to meet up with boss. Had to go for quick piss, I opened a portal came back from toiled after 2 minutes and my portal was gone and all area reset. I had to run it all over again…
@@ibrahimhakim6232yes - just wanted to comment that too. So annoying…
"So let me take you back, to shortly before PoE2's release.." ma dude, PoE2 is on version 0.1.0e. This OBVIOUSLY isn't a release, but an early Beta version. There is no real tuning/balancing at all, right now. At this point they still are working on testing and troubleshooting mechanics. I recommend to you coming back to PoE2 in 3 years. Until then, most mechanics should be fixed and kinda balanced. Btw, PoE started in a similar fashion and developed from there. I really enjoyed the early, hard and untuned times. And I enjoy it in PoE2 Beta, too.
Welcome to PoE :)
The main difference between D4 and POE2. Customization is endless and your not locked into same old builds. The maps actually look different and feel new, in D4 everything looks the same, but in POE2 each new area is a new experience with new enemies that bring different challenges to the table. D4 every enemy is just a skin, you dont really care what your fighting because they are all the same and act the same. In D4 you wont really die or struggle like you will in POE2
My main problem with Diablo 4 is how the game basically throws builds in your face through item aspects and there’s nothing to really figure out. You just look for bigger numbers on gear and that’s literally it
I'm a kid of the 80's, and I've always played games for FUN. I think the world has gone mad, and people take fun WAY too seriously these days. Why the hell would you dedicate yourself to one game when there are so many awesome games to play?!
That said I'm also having a blast in POE 2, and also intend to keep dropping in to D4 whenever there's new content. I agree they're both different enough from each other; Diablo IV is mindless fun (power fantasy, slay hordes of demons, insane cut scenes, amazing transmog system and armour designs, mounts and open world. POE rewards more serious engagement, the more you put in the more you get out. Higher highs and lower lows, so far so good!
imo there aren't many good ones out there to choose from. A million games out there and I enjoy just a handful of them.
Blasphemy, you need to pick a side! Now you are a pariah to both sides xP
I don't know if this got any better in diablo 4 because I stopped playing before the 1st season came out, lol. But LOOT was terrible in diablo 4, like I had a full backpack all the time and had to check all the items, which felt like a chore.
Lvl 49 monk. Made my own frost shock build and im blasting
Awesome! Yeah monk seems to have some pretty cool combos
Fantastic review and insights!
9:42 ps, i want to hear more
I'm really struggling in PoE2 right now (I'm expert at dying), but I can tell I'm going to enjoy this completely different "genre" of gaming. YW is spot on in his analysis - there is no comparison between D4 and PoE2. The only real question is which game are you willing to spend more freetime on?
I gave D4 6 seasons to come up with a game that appeals to my preferred gaming style.
Now I'm going to give the same opportunity to PoE2. I just have to make it over this steep learning curve.
Awesome! It's going to feel that much better when you come back to the parts you struggled with at first and see how much you improve.
Grim dawn is one of my all time favorite, but poe2 is stealing the show big time right now
Yeah definitely. I'm still holding out for Titan Quest 2 though.
Poe 2 is what d4 should have been but thats what happens with a game when the company doing it has become too greedy.
yes and it's also a natural result it seems for almost any company that becomes publicly traded. The customer is the gamer second and the share holders first.
as a sorc main in d4 launch till expansion seeing the sorcs i look up to playing this game made me do the shift😅 i miss teleport skill though🙆🏻♂️
Thank you for this review. I play d4 now and like it in general, but it has some major flaws. From what you're saying seems like poe2 will be better. Even the bad stuff in poe2sound great.
Yeah I'd recommend checking it out. I honestly have some mixed feelings about D4 myself, particularly after the Vessel of Hatred Update
After playing poe2 then going back to d4, feels like night and day. D4 is like is in turbo mode. Poe2 is difficult but it aint soulslike...stay away from blasters they ruin the fun play the game the way u want it to be.
The way you can customize so much is amazing.
I customize separate skill trees for each weapon set.
POE2 is really the Linux of ARPGs
I wonder which ARPG would be Windows?
Can you explain the weapon set inside the skill tree?! It's the one thing I just don't understand so I don't bother.
@@interdimensionalsteve8172 it's how you can do your moves with the Skill gems and you add support gems to the skill gems for different and amplified effects. But right now it's bare-bones so it loses it's fun pretty fast for now. I say Wait till full release.
How about the difficulty progression? I feel like thats one thing missing from d4. I found myself getting bored often bc the game never felt more challenging?
Yeah I may have to make a video on that eventually, but actually for me the difficulty (after completing the campaign at least) WAS just about perfect the way it was right before Vessel of Hatred. You could skip the campaign and go to higher level strongholds or 10+ level helltides to level up with challenging content, and then as soon as you get NM dungeons you could start regularly pushing content 10, 20, to 30 levels above your character as soon as your build was ready. That and being able to unlock higher world tiers the moment you were strong enough felt great. I liked seeing how far below the recommended level for capstone dungeons I could get each run while unlocking the higher world tiers. The only real issue was the campaign, which was so long ago for me that I don't remember exactly how hard it was, but if you want a challenge there just play barb or druid, and don't masterwork any gear before you finish.
BUT... I kinda think Vessel of Hatred changed all that. The world tiers are now just a flat across the board difficulty increase so all the dynamic control you had before, like doing a NMD 30 levels over your character for a challenge and then relaxing with a Helltide or Stronghold that is only maybe 10 above for a break, etc., is virtually gone now.
And I don't know exactly how they changed enemy balancing, but after Vessel of Hatred I felt like the enemies were all a LOT beefier, but they hardly did any damage half the time, so it's the most boring combination of long drawn out fights with no real risk. I actually have some footage of me standing in the middle of one of the second to last boss fights in the expansion, literally standing in the middle of the screen for a good 5 minutes without any risk of dieing.
You can play both and it will be ok.
Something weird happened with me. I bought D4 and got bored after making it about half way through the game. When POE2 came out I loved it but found it too hard. I made it into the second act but can't beat some of the bosses there and I'm sick of trying. So I went back to D4 and am now loving it. I am almost through the main game and am about to start the expansion. Thank you POE2 for making me like D4. I'm going to finish D4 and then go back and give POE2 another shot.
That's a pretty interesting journey. I'm actually curious how I'll feel when I go back to play D4 next season. There is so much I'm loving now about POE2, but there are definitely things I miss from D4 as well though.
Hope you like the expansion. I liked a lot of what they added, but the story didn't hit quite as hard for me as it did in the original campaign.
Thank you for sharing. Your closing thoughts synch with me. I am old enough to remember playing the original Diablo when it first came out.
I dislike the speediness of modern day diablo games. The original Diablo was slow, methodical & had strong horror elements. I still remember the fear & excitement I felt taking on the Blood Raven in Diablo2.
Ironically, POE2 fulfils this instead of Diablo 3 or 4. I've never asked for seasons. I still remembering farming Mephisto in D2. How many of us still remember what MSLE stands for in D2?
It is strange that GGG POE2 is the successor of Diablo.
My thoughts exactly. When I played the original Diablo after playing D3 and other modern ARPG's I was surprised out how slow and methodical it was. Almost like an old school rogue-like.
After that ARPG's went more down the power fantasy route, but POE2 feels like an alternate timeline where ARPG's built on that old school feel instead.
This to me is like comparing Elden Ring to Assassins Creed because they both have swords. These games are too different to make the other obsolete.
Which or what game is best to play has a beginner?
That's a really interesting question. I'm working on a video now going into what different gamers are looking for in an ARPG, so I guess maybe it depends on where you are coming from. If you play Elden ring and or Somewhat punishing rogue-likes POE2 is not a bad place to start, but if your more into mainstream AAA style D4 is a good introduction to ARPG mechanics with a super gripping campaign story. If you play lots of older games though, I might suggest jumping into Diablo 2 or even 1. Also Grim Dawn is quite good too.
POE 2 is on a whole another level
I was a bit frustrated at first with the loot but once I understood how it works and what the goal is (crafting and hunting for items on vendors), I've started to enjoy the game a lot more. Add that to the amazing boss fights and I think this is a masterpiece of a game, even though it's not the usual ARPG
The graphics, the animations, and special effects are so much better than d4.
I wasn't initially hooked on poe2, but once it clicked it was really awesome. D4 is done.
nice review!
Players have been so accustomed to artificial difficulty that when they try POE they are thrown off lol
You can fast-travel from checkpoint to checkpoint. Would be cool if the game introduced me to this mechanic earlier and not through yt. So no backtracking is needed.
I find nothing fun about dying over and over to a boss fight that can take 10-15 minutes. I also hate the POE skill tree.
That’s totally fair.
Before even talking about gameplay, Blizz has 13k employees vs GGG's 156 employees per Google. Just shows a perspective on how much you'll spend playing D4 with them wanting to charge for an expansion every year with content much smaller than PoE's. The more content in PoE2, the busier you'll be with it but with D4 being easier and faster, you'll finish the game faster and needing to open your wallet for more dopamine (hmm strategically planned that way?).
Yup that is often a result of big corporate game design.
PoE2 is more Diablo 2 than Diablo 2
Yeah man, it's an absolute game changer!
Many players have mentioned d2 with poe2. What makes me love d2 is the dopamine effect finding rare items or runes, do you get the same feeling in poe 2? If so, when?
@@pUpzorzwhen you get good drops like any game 😂
@ I don’t get the same feeling in many games because it’s not rare enough
Played both D4 and Poe 2. The thing I like about POE 2 is the difficulty from the get go. Compared to D4. POE 2 gets difficult way quicker. In the D4 at launch the only difficult part was the dungeons to get into higher difficulty of very high keys (i cant remember thename).
Capstone Dungeons I think. Honestly kinda upset they got rid of them in the new Expansion/Season
the only cons I have for this game is their server. I hope they fix their server soon or atleast before the end of early access.