She was lucky since the quality of Bidmarck's ammo wasn't at its best. If I remember correctly, one of Bismarck's shells got stuck near her engine room. Had it exploded, she might have joined the Mighty Hood in the Danish Straight...
The Prince of Wales was not fully ready for combat when it met the Bismarck. There were civilians on board. At least one of their 4-gun turrets jammed by itself during the engagement. As for squaring off against the Missouri, what a joke! With only 14" guns and not nearly as quick or with as much armour, the 16" guns of the Missouri would have obliterated it.
Actually the KGV class had the thickest armour of any battleship in WW2 except for the Yamato, a full 2.7 inches thicker than the Iowa class. KGV pummelled Bismarck into submission, and Duke of York sank Scharnhorst, both of which had thicker armour than the Iowas. Yes, the speed of the Iowas would mean that they could choose to engage / disengage at will, but that speed came at the expense of armour: they are actually borderline battlecruisers. The main belt is only the same thickness as that on HMS Hood, and the total deck armour over the magazines only about one inch thicker. And while the 16" guns had greater range, they wouldn't actually start to penetrate the armour belt until within 30,000 yards, the same range at which the 14" shells would start to penetrate the thinner armour of the Iowas. So this theoretical battle would be a lot closer than you might think. It would really come down to accuracy and luck.
@@padurarulcriticsicinic4846 Two heavy cruisers plus the two battleships. Remember that it was a Fairy Swordfish biplane that jammed Bismarck's rudder with a torpedo or else she would have escaped to Brest.
Prince Of Wales was on its way to assist the British garrison at Singapore. There are accounts of survivors Marines and saliors making ashore only to be captured and murdered by the Japanese. Some Royal Marines actually took part in the fighting withdrawal through Mayla with the British and commwealth forces. HMS Repulse suffered the same fate. This was simply because those R.N. ships had no air cover.
Truth is Old British naval forces were almost rumble by ruthless Germans in WW, but thanks to the US and Red Army's timely entry the British survived Iron fists 👊 of modern German technology.
Sure, it’s possible that the Prince of Wales could damage and possibly sink the Missouri, but the opposite would have been far more likely. The Missouri had better armor, better guns and ammo, better radar, and higher speed. Of course, the officers and crew could totally change the outcome of most any fight.
The fate of HMS Prince of Wales was sealed by only one torpedo hit, the damage from other hits was survivable with damage control parties, the fatal hit though couldn't be contained by damage control, the fatal hit destroyed outer support bracket for most outer propeller shaft causing gyrations in it destroying all seals running entire length of shaft to engine room resulting in uncontrollable flooding
Gen. Billy Mitchell foreshadowed the nemesis of the battleship--airpower. WWII repeatedly underscores this, as even the largest battleships succumbed to airpower. An argument can well be made that biplane airpower doomed the Bismark, as steaming in circles would ultimately prove fatal.
Absolutely. In fact it's beyond argument in my opinion. Any ship is vulnerable to aircraft, and increasingly so since the 1930s. Provided air attacks were well planned, determined and orchestrated and protected if necessary they could be truly devastating. Bismark, Tirpitz, Yamato, Prince of Wales and Repulse, not forgetting Taranto and Pearl Harbour to name but a few all fell victim to this new kind of warfare.
Bullshit ! Prince of Wales was sink by japanese aircrafts very quiqly,togheter with Repulse! ! Bismarck was sink after long battle with aircrafts and ships !! Big difference .
And if to Missouri, built a few years after the Prince of Wales fired on her with her 16-in guns, I'm sure that would have been more devastating. Hey, wasn't the Prince of Wales sunk by a few hits from Japanese planes? Also, her AA defense was virtually ineffective. The Iowa class battleships had a ton of AA defenses so I doubt that result would have been the same
PoW was totally overwhelmed, her AA suite suffered a power cut I believe, plus a bent propeller shaft which in itself caused major damage. Even the Yamato succumbed to air attack in the end. Any ship is vulnerable to air attack, hence the rise of the aircraft carrier.
@@rob5944 Similar to Bismarck, POW's fate was sealed by a single unlucky torpedo hit. In Bismarck's case it was a rudder jammed hard over, in POW's case, a bent propeller shaft flooded the electrical control room, cutting off all electrical power throughout the ship. Thereafter, the only useable weapon was a single manual bofors AA gun on the quarterdeck. As a result of this, there was a widespread installation of smaller manually operated AA guns throughout the fleet, especially on capital ships.
The 14-inch guns on Prince of Wales, and her sisters Duke of York and King George V, were designed to have exceptional armor penetration while still meeting Naval Treaty requirements. Against Bismarck, they did penetrate Bismarck’s armor, causing the fuel leak that limited Bismarck’s cruising range. It had good torpedo protection, too. Unfortunately, the torpedoes that sank it struck outside the protection zone.
I agree, despite their detractors the KGV class were sound ships, especially considering their tonnage limitations. Unfortunately PoW and Repulse were simply overwhelmed, being sent there without proper air cover was almost suicidal. Either the powers that be were just plain desperate or under the illusion that the Japanese would simply get scared and run away, probably a bit of both. I cannot help but think that there was a prevailing, if only subconscious, arrogance among the colonial nations (including the US) that oriental people were somehow a little inferior, and that everything would be OK. If so, then they were in for a very rude awakening. One can see it in the 70s here in Britain, where Japanese (and German) cars slowly destroyed our market. They went from making vehicles that weren't even taken seriously, to producing superior models right across the board. This was aided and abetted by our own inept management and militant trade unionism though.
Bull shit USN " 16" gun out range 48,000 yards the RN"14 " range of 40,000 yards ie USS Missouri out range the RN Prince of Wales 8,000 or 4 natural ( sp) miles ...1 nmiles = 2,000 yards.
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She was lucky since the quality of Bidmarck's ammo wasn't at its best. If I remember correctly, one of Bismarck's shells got stuck near her engine room. Had it exploded, she might have joined the Mighty Hood in the Danish Straight...
The Missouri could out range the Prince of Wales.
The Prince of Wales was not fully ready for combat when it met the Bismarck. There were civilians on board. At least one of their 4-gun turrets jammed by itself during the engagement.
As for squaring off against the Missouri, what a joke! With only 14" guns and not nearly as quick or with as much armour, the 16" guns of the Missouri would have obliterated it.
Actually the KGV class had the thickest armour of any battleship in WW2 except for the Yamato, a full 2.7 inches thicker than the Iowa class. KGV pummelled Bismarck into submission, and Duke of York sank Scharnhorst, both of which had thicker armour than the Iowas. Yes, the speed of the Iowas would mean that they could choose to engage / disengage at will, but that speed came at the expense of armour: they are actually borderline battlecruisers. The main belt is only the same thickness as that on HMS Hood, and the total deck armour over the magazines only about one inch thicker.
And while the 16" guns had greater range, they wouldn't actually start to penetrate the armour belt until within 30,000 yards, the same range at which the 14" shells would start to penetrate the thinner armour of the Iowas. So this theoretical battle would be a lot closer than you might think. It would really come down to accuracy and luck.
@@dominicbuckley8309 Yes, the Rodney and others clobbered the Bismarck while it was stuck going in a circle with at least 3 battlewagons pounding it.
@@EmperorMaximus66Rodney, King George the 5th. What was the third battlewagon?
@@padurarulcriticsicinic4846 Two heavy cruisers plus the two battleships.
Remember that it was a Fairy Swordfish biplane that jammed Bismarck's rudder with a torpedo or else she would have escaped to Brest.
Dreams ,my friend. Dreams. 😂
What happens when there is No Air Cover, and the Enemy Has Planes!
But since the Missouri could out range Prince of Wales with it's own "16 inch" guns an exchange probably wouldn't have ended well for the Prince...
That’s if she got a a chance in the first place 😢😂
Prince Of Wales was on its way to assist the British garrison at Singapore.
There are accounts of survivors Marines and saliors making ashore only to be captured and murdered by the Japanese.
Some Royal Marines actually took part in the fighting withdrawal through Mayla with the British and commwealth forces.
HMS Repulse suffered the same fate.
This was simply because those R.N. ships had no air cover.
NOT ONLY WOULD MISSOURIS 16" INCH OUTRANGE THE PRINCES 14" BUT MISSOURI WAS ALSO ARMORED AGAINST YAMATOS 18"
Truth is Old British naval forces were almost rumble by ruthless Germans in WW, but thanks to the US and Red Army's timely entry the British survived Iron fists 👊 of modern German technology.
Sure, it’s possible that the Prince of Wales could damage and possibly sink the Missouri, but the opposite would have been far more likely. The Missouri had better armor, better guns and ammo, better radar, and higher speed. Of course, the officers and crew could totally change the outcome of most any fight.
The fate of HMS Prince of Wales was sealed by only one torpedo hit, the damage from other hits was survivable with damage control parties, the fatal hit though couldn't be contained by damage control, the fatal hit destroyed outer support bracket for most outer propeller shaft causing gyrations in it destroying all seals running entire length of shaft to engine room resulting in uncontrollable flooding
Force Z. Also part of ABDA Command.
She was a Battle cruiser
Why would a British ship fire at an American vessel?
Yes it's just daft.
Incompetent command sent these battleship to the bottom of the sea of the northern coast of West Malaysia . No air cover.
Gen. Billy Mitchell foreshadowed the nemesis of the battleship--airpower.
WWII repeatedly underscores this, as even the largest battleships succumbed to airpower. An argument can well be made that biplane airpower doomed the Bismark, as steaming in circles would ultimately prove fatal.
Absolutely. In fact it's beyond argument in my opinion. Any ship is vulnerable to aircraft, and increasingly so since the 1930s. Provided air attacks were well planned, determined and orchestrated and protected if necessary they could be truly devastating. Bismark, Tirpitz, Yamato, Prince of Wales and Repulse, not forgetting Taranto and Pearl Harbour to name but a few all fell victim to this new kind of warfare.
1 on 1 Prince of Wales wouldn't stand a chance!
So what did the USS Missouri have to do with anything in this video on the story of the HMS Prince of Wales?
this is just fictional comparison
Bullshit ! Prince of Wales was sink by japanese aircrafts very quiqly,togheter with Repulse! ! Bismarck was sink after long battle with aircrafts and ships !! Big difference .
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And if to Missouri, built a few years after the Prince of Wales fired on her with her 16-in guns, I'm sure that would have been more devastating. Hey, wasn't the Prince of Wales sunk by a few hits from Japanese planes? Also, her AA defense was virtually ineffective. The Iowa class battleships had a ton of AA defenses so I doubt that result would have been the same
PoW was totally overwhelmed, her AA suite suffered a power cut I believe, plus a bent propeller shaft which in itself caused major damage. Even the Yamato succumbed to air attack in the end. Any ship is vulnerable to air attack, hence the rise of the aircraft carrier.
@@rob5944 Similar to Bismarck, POW's fate was sealed by a single unlucky torpedo hit. In Bismarck's case it was a rudder jammed hard over, in POW's case, a bent propeller shaft flooded the electrical control room, cutting off all electrical power throughout the ship. Thereafter, the only useable weapon was a single manual bofors AA gun on the quarterdeck. As a result of this, there was a widespread installation of smaller manually operated AA guns throughout the fleet, especially on capital ships.
The 14-inch guns on Prince of Wales, and her sisters Duke of York and King George V, were designed to have exceptional armor penetration while still meeting Naval Treaty requirements. Against Bismarck, they did penetrate Bismarck’s armor, causing the fuel leak that limited Bismarck’s cruising range.
It had good torpedo protection, too. Unfortunately, the torpedoes that sank it struck outside the protection zone.
I agree, despite their detractors the KGV class were sound ships, especially considering their tonnage limitations. Unfortunately PoW and Repulse were simply overwhelmed, being sent there without proper air cover was almost suicidal. Either the powers that be were just plain desperate or under the illusion that the Japanese would simply get scared and run away, probably a bit of both. I cannot help but think that there was a prevailing, if only subconscious, arrogance among the colonial nations (including the US) that oriental people were somehow a little inferior, and that everything would be OK. If so, then they were in for a very rude awakening. One can see it in the 70s here in Britain, where Japanese (and German) cars slowly destroyed our market. They went from making vehicles that weren't even taken seriously, to producing superior models right across the board. This was aided and abetted by our own inept management and militant trade unionism though.
Bull shit USN " 16" gun out range 48,000 yards the RN"14 " range of 40,000 yards ie USS Missouri out range the RN Prince of Wales 8,000 or 4 natural ( sp) miles ...1 nmiles = 2,000 yards.
thankx for that