Interesting that the majority of comments on this video are suggesting the carnivore diet is in fact very impactful for weight loss and disease remission. I would suggest most carnivores do miss variety, but would chose health and pain free living over variety in thier diet.
It's not carnivore diet is putting their autoimmune diseases into remission, it is eliminating all junk food, wheat gluten and overeating. Walsh protocol has plenty of vegetables, but it also puts autoimmune diseases into remission.
You didn't address the actual claim that carnivore advocates make, which is that LDL alone doesn't cause heart disease and requires metabolic dysfunction or inflammation to become oxidised LDL.
There is zero correlation between ldl and CVD. What is most predictive is your triglyceride to hdl ratio - below 1.5 is ideal. There is an inverse relationship between LDL and all cause mortality. Statin research likes to quote relative risk reduction as opposed to absolute risk reduction because the change in absolute risk is negligible. What benefit statins do provide is likely due to a reduction in inflammation. The FDA should require that drug companies release all data from their drug trials, rather than hide those that yield the wrong results. Every researcher that has been compelled by drug companies to not publish their research should be required to speak up and publish their results. Perhaps RFK Jr could make that happen.
Peter is big on the lipid hypothesis and takes a statin to lower his LDL even though he doesn’t have “high” LDL so it’s clear what he believes. However, I think that he’s seeing the tide turning on that as new studies are released and old studies are being scrutinized a little more closely. I don’t expect his apology to come any time soon. 😅
I’ve been on carnivore for 2 years now and I’ve gone from 60 units of insulin per day Following the ADA food guidelines to now requiring zero insulin on carnivore. Oh and I l lost 45 lbs with no change in exercise.
I've been on keto/carnivore for 5 years now. I've lost over 150 pounds and maintained my weight with this meal plan. I feel better than I have in decades. My blood work is excellent. Protein and fat are very satiating so you don't eat as much. That's a good thing for a person like me with disordered eating. My energy level and mood are consistent. This has worked for me. Do what works for you.
Which is a primary cause of heart disease. But that would mean Peter would have to back off this lipid hypothesis which has never, not once, ever been true. He won't do that. He has an ego problem it seems.
We evolve as hypercarnivores, thats a fact, so...There is the answer, what else is there to say or think? These two guys are ignorant fools or hypocritical liars.
Bro is so mad he doesn't like carnivore, get over it there's been plenty of people study it before you. They all came to the same conclusion, we aren't pure carnivores.
@@MasculineIdeal no one said "pure carnivore" I said Hypercarnivore, thats 75% and above carnivore, around 20% came from roots and other junk we used to find to survive, that's from isotopic analysis of ancient human remains. Facts. What studies are you referring to?
@ Yeah I probably agree with you, I was speaking to the original poster. I dont need studies to make conclusions either, dont be one of those autistic tards. Ive been around enough people who went full carni and had major issues, alongg with my self, to know who arent 100% carnivores.
I'd like to believe these guys, but I've been on this diet for 2 years, and my tumour has stopped growing. The brain surgeon who monitors me every year has said, "Whatever you're doing, keep doing it!" My muscles have grown, and I have more hair. In fact, my hair has become very thick.
@@ph0605 and apparently your high ldl is an issue. Keep up the great work. Apparently my reversing my heart disease isn't possible as medical science says so. But here we are changing paradigms
Congrats, and to think Peter, an oncologist, is dismissing the carnivore diet. If this was the 19th century, he'd be among the doctors who refused to wash their hands. We need the doctors who injected cocaine into their spine or ate h pylori, Peter is not that guy.
@sophtayl yes, my Ldl is high but my triglycerides are the lowest they've ever been, and my Hdl is the highest it's ever been. Everything is looking good.
I have been carnivore since 2018, after following a low carbohydrate diet since 1996...never had weight or health issues but I feel even better following a carnivore diet. All my health markers are excellent but, of course, my LDL is "high", which does not mean its bad. I wonder how many people in their 60's are taking zero medications, have an athletic body and are physically very active on a "FDA recommended" diet?
I find it curious that Dr Atilla is so dismissive of the carnivore diet, and unwilling to even take a fair look at it. I've been on what you might call a keto-vore diet now for about 3 years. I eat fewer than 20g of carbs per day, and I use plant based items like garlic as more of a supplement than a side dish. The benefits I have seen would take way more time to explain than I want to spend here. Yes , my LDL is 211, and there is no way that I'm going to trade that unproven risk for the very proven risk of pharmaceutical drugs. This diet has drastically improved my life, and honestly, even if it shorten my life by a few years, which there is zero evidence that it will, I would still do it! Everybody has to believe something, because nobody can be trusted to speak truthfully about anything diet related. I've experimented on my own body for almost 50 years now, and most of the "information" prior to carnivore has resulted in utterly disastrous results for me.
Despite what people may say, LDL is not the enemy. When on the keto-carnivore diet, yes our cholesterol is higher than average, but we NEED cholesterol to function properly. Our LDL is also in a non destructive form as carbs are kept to a minimum. Carbs oxidize LDL into smaller particles which IS bad for us. Dr. Paul Mason explains this in some of his You tube videos. I'm eating the same way as you, I feel great and don't get bored of eating. And I'm no longer a slave to food.
@@scoobydoozoom To be completely clear I'm only addressing this single point you make because the logic annoyed me. Please do not justify high levels of cholesterol by saying "we need cholesterol". Yes, of course we need it but most cells make it and so does the liver if they can't make enough. This does not justify having excess cholesterol in the blood stream which is often a cause of ASCVD. There are optimal ranges for these things.
Appreciate that you're honest about your LDL levels in a place where no one could prove it if you gave some low imaginary figure. That said I'd love it if you spent more time talking about at least some of the benefits it's given you. And yes Atilla's dismissiveness of it is really offputting, I don't understand why a supposed man of science would be so close-minded about a diet which so far there isn't much evidence about, neither for nor against.
@@zr1cvette Because he isn’t dogmatic, he’s evidenced-based. Long-term fasting has been shown to cause the loss of lean mass including in his own experience.
@ yes maybe high level training while extended fasting I could maybe see. We never would’ve survived as a species if we couldn’t or weren’t able to fast. Also if there’s any available fat you’re going to use that. It’s not about being dogmatic. No one makes money off fasting. Period.
@ fasting increases growth hormone. Odds of losing lean muscle especially in someone with moderate to high bodyfat is slim. Again when people wanna sell you something. Fasting isn’t optimal.
@BenjaminKuruga Not exactly, carnivore cured his health problems but after 1.5 years he developed electrolyte issues that only carbs could alleviate. YMMV. Seems like he still avoids grains.
Plants have toxins. That's how they protect themselves. If you're going to do a podcast on something, do some research 1st. Meat, especially beef, is highly digestible and is the least inflammatory food you can consume. There are many studies on ketosis and it's healing benefits out there.
@@4DTravelr add salt and potassium to your steak, take a magnesium bath. 360 to 212 on carnivore and off most meds 56 6ft 2in old busted up drywall finisher, walking atleast 5 miles a day and lifting even with f ed up shoulders knees and back. Life's about choices.
I’ve been carnivore/animal based going on three years now- where before I was nearly bedridden, couldn’t work, too sick to function. This way of eating has restored me and my ability to live not only a high functioning life but the mental health benefits alone were such a huge bonus I could never go back. My gut was destroyed by antibiotics and I didn’t realize eating plant based was making all my problems 100% worse. I can eat some vegs now without issues, the only thing I absolutely can not tolerate are vegetable oils. They destroy me on so many inflammatory levels that I’m out for a week if I have them. Alcohol doesn’t even affect me that terribly. Food for thought!
Sorry guys, not your best work, bordering on pathetic tbh. It's almost like you've done no research and never tried it yourself ...... why not get Anthony Chaffee on , he seems to be somewhat of an encyclopedia on the subject. Honestly even I could have provided a more open outlook & better info (yes anecdotal, but that's how all information starts off) And as for "maybe your a little bias" Peter ...... well duh ! Enjoyed the comments though , it seems you followers have it covered better than you do.
Oh okay...lets use Dr Berry. I especially liked the video where he drove through a fast food outlet and ordered just patties. The guy is an absolute genius. Nobel Prize, surely.
People don't talk about how much lifetime you achieve. You have to cook less; eat less; poop less, and faster; and sleep less on this diet, so you have a lot of more useful time in your day.
I’m doing the opposite of what the AMA and FDA has told me my whole life. I’m 55. I work out 2x a week for 30 minutes and eat carnivore. I’ve never felt or looked better in my life with such ease. With a baseball hat, I look 20 on the beach, lol. I’m not ideological. I’m on to the scam :)
I think 2 people discussing this issue with surface knowledge of the theory and large number of n=1 success stories of overall health, weight management, endurance performance, autoimmune disease improvement shows a disconnect between traditional medical training and actual outcomes. The mention of cholesterol is, I think a sign that someone like Dr Paul Mason should be talked to, or at least his Data on Cholesterol vs longevity studies be looked at. At 55 my blood pressure is optimal, resting heart rate below 50, low triglycerides). I'm open minded, live an otherwise healthy and active lifestyle and must say that the Carnivore diet is the first eating plan I've tried with a palpable improvement in physical (daily bloody noses stopped, aching joints minimized noticeably, skin health improvement, optometrist asking me how I solved my dry eye problem, improved GI performance, steady alertness all day, ability to do 7 day mountain bike race without any mid-stage energy gells or sugar of any sort) and mental condition. It is literally fucking amazing! And I'm fine with whatever happens to cholesterol seeing the studies from Dr Paul Mason showing an inverse relationship between cholesterol and heart attacks and improved longevity. Gotta say, this is the first time I've been unhappy with the information presented on your podcast. You've essentially had a discussion without doing the research. You have a pile of interesting things to at least consider: talk to Dr Paul Mason from Australia - a brilliant doctor and sports scientist (fiber bad, cholesterol vs longevity studies are his highlights). Dr. Ken Berry, Dr Shawn Baker, Dr Shawn Omara... the number of exceptionally well trained doctors going down this path both personally and for patient care is getting to be too big for the surface level discussion have in this.
If high LDL is so bad and we have statins to correct it, how come the heart attack is still number one killer. I reduced my added sugar intake, and my LDL went up by 30%. I’m not carnivore, but I’m not afraid to eat healthy fats. I listened to enough experts to make conclusion that high LDL if you do not have diabetes is not a big predictor of a heart attack. Actually, correcting the LDL level with statin would decrease my level of cardiac event in the next five years from 8.5% to 7.8% (according to my doctor’s, cardiac calculator). This by itself is not beneficial for me to take a drug that may cause side effects.
It doesn’t matter how many experts you have listened to because first, you may be biased in your expert selection, and second many of them contradict each other on these topics anyway. What matters is what we see in the actual studies. Also, its well known that cardiovascular mortality is not impacted much over a short period of time, and 5 years is. ASCVD risk depends on your lifetime exposure to LDL / apob. So the differences in longevity will be huge, not on 5 but on 15, 20, 30 years.
Cardiovascular mortality is impacted over a long period of time due to the high consumption of poor quality sugars and carbohydrates. We know this because we have now been eating these junk food for a long period of time. What we do not have or what we have forgotten is the impact of a proper human diet mainly consisting of quality meat over a long period of time. It is only recently that the carnivore diet has come back into light, and there has not been enough time to scientifically judge its outcome on the lipid model. One thing we do know, is that our ancestors did not suffer from most of the modern metabolic and autoimmune diseases that we have today.
Funny thing. Before I started carnivore, I was extremely nutrient deficient for decades and nobody said anything. Now I’m getting more bioavailable vitamins and minerals than ever before, my mental and physical ailments are gone… and now suddenly everyone thinks I’m nutrient deficient and says I need supplements?
Haha same. It's hilarious. Why the hell am I not dying from scurvy? Funny thing is, my dentist said my gums have stopped bleeding and are the best they've ever been lol.
Same here and my 20-30 family and friends that are getting a 2nd life on carnivore and telling all The stupid doctors- fuck you and your ignorant stupid soma -
No more stupid meds and a bunch of ignorant doctors telling us: “oh, I don’t know why you feel like shit or have pain? You just old. Here’s a bunch of meds I need to write you so that pharma can give me more stuff”
@PATrainwreck ah, so you are an expert in the field. Brilliant. Please rebut the arguments presented, ideally backed up by pubmed id's of the studies supporting your position. Thank you.
@CvoreAthlete Good to know. Luckily, we have you to set them straight, right? So what specific outcome data from which studies convinced you they are clueless?
Considering there are no placebo controlled, double blind clinical studies on the health effects of the carnivore diet i'd say whatever 'research' you looked at is low quality aswell .....
This is the pattern of Attila in many things over the past few years. I have stopped listening to him for most issues, but the thumbnail and title hooked me this time, for which I was disappointed.
Peter is extremely biased against carnivore. He’s good pals with slimy Layne Norton who was recently forced to apologize online to Dr. Anthony Chaffee, carnivore mastermind under threat of legal action. You better watch your mouth too peter boy.
lack of science? they mention the carnivore diet not having randomized controlled trials to support its supposed benefits. and are they really bias or does the video simply challenge your own viewpoint?
@@TimTietjenand yet my apob is at the low end of normal. Sub fraction test confirms pattern a ldl. So there's that. And may cac has regressed by 20% in 12months while on carnivore ?
Carnivore diet is not anti inflammatory, meat doesn't have antioxidant properties. it is eliminating all junk food, wheat gluten and stopping overeating helped you to reduce inflammation, you simply eliminated inflammatory foods.
I love the contrast between vegan and carnivore. The biggest difference is carnivore looks healthy and the vegan doesn’t when there is no supplementation . So even if by some slim chance carnivore does harm it doesn’t show. That fact alone should make the detractors curious as to why the appearance of health is so robust.
Dave Feldman isn't curious about his high LDL? You're not curious why high LDL doesn't increase plaque on coronary CTA in people. Lipid hypothesis is flawed but you can't get past your bias
@@bigmike0000000Feldman is constantly saying he doesn't know the answer, he just thinks we need to investigate why the lean mass hyper-responders seem to be healthy.
The constant barrage of protein gets you jacked AF if you’re lifting weights. I got so strong and so jacked just eating meat. It’s the best shape I was ever in. Since I’ve done a variation of it but nothing worked as well as being 100% into it and just eating meat.
I am on a weight loss journey this year and documenting the carnivore diet, atheltic improvement and improving my health markers and everyday living, it's been 2 weeks and I can feel it, the energy, recovery and inflammation improving at a steady rate, crazy to say 2 weeks in for me 😅
13:03 Exactly that. Someone says they're not eating plants or sugar and people lose it, but someone says they're ELIMINATING meat and people think THAT's healthy?
The carnivore diet is the only thing that took away this chest pain I had going on for 3 years. I went to the hospital one night because it was hurting really bad. They basically said I was fine and it could be stress. My diet at the time was mainly items from Costco. I tried buying organic when I could. I would eat chicken, rice, broccoli, asparagus, brussel sprouts, mushrooms,beans, pastas, steaks, occasionally fast food. Did the carnivore diet for 3 weeks and my chest pain went away, lost 30 pounds. Eczema cleared up. My teeth were always white. Had steady energy at the gym and never felt sluggish or felt any anxiety. This was 2 years ago and I slowly started to eat the same “traditional american diet” again and I’m seriously thinking about going back to the carnivore diet with the seasonal occasional fruit.
You do realise it's called the silent killer for a reason. Everyone feels good the day before their heart attack...and you are in the high risk category when one looks at all the best available scientific data.
It's interesting the focus on LDL. On keto or carnivore, insulin sensitivity is improved. What role does insulin resistance play in cardiovascular disease? If LDL was the only culprit, then what of all the people who have heart attacks, etc who have very low levels of LDL. Metabolic disease has so many know issues that can lead to diabetes, stroke, heart issues.
@@nicacrush We keep being told that but 50% of heart attack victims have low cholesterol, and in a massive study of 10 million people over 12 years in South Korea, those with High cholesterol on average outlived those with low cholesterol. As one scientist from Johns Hopkins said, if you think LDL causes heart disease, then you think ambulances cause accidents. In other words, it's correlative, not causative.
I have an entire family with diabetes, arthritis, autoimmune, ibs, obesity, chronic fatigue, high blood pressure, high triglycerides, slow wound healing that all reversed and all Of us - 40-80years old - 5 -10 Months later are all now thriving Lost over 20 lbs of visceral fat, and gaining more than 5-10% muscle Wounds heal in 2-3 days, not 2-3 months No more allergies or dependence on antihistamines No more diabetes or reliance on insulin No more high blood pressure and dependence on any meds No more muscle pain , arthritis, or inflammation- no more reliance on my more steroids! Insane clarity - mentally Insane energy- no more chronic fatigue. Arm and hand strength all back Even black hair is growing back! No more IBS, bloating, gas or any heart burn
I really wanna know what people actually ate before going carnivore. There’s many wrong ways to eat on an omnivore diet, hence they see improvement when they’re told to follow something very restrictive such as carnivore.
@@Cradleland7425 they ate ultra-processed foods*. Stop the bullshit. I eat 600 grams of carbohydrates, 150 grams of protein, 120 grams of fiber and only 30 grams of fat per day. My BMI is 22, BP is 100/60, triglycerides are 41 mg/dL, blood glucose is 89 mg/dL, fasting insulin is 4.7, HbA1c is 5.1%. Carbohydrates are not the problem. Eating unhealthy, man-made food is. My entire extended family has always eaten like this. We never had obesity in our family. People stopped eating our traditional diet (which is heavy in carbs) and started eating a bunch of UPFs, and now there are ~10 obese individuals in the family, all with a lot of autoimmune diseases and even diabetes. I do not doubt that doing the carnivore diet would help lose weight and improve their health, but so would returning to our high-carb traditional diet.
I bet you could all have seen the vast majority of those benefits by cutting out most empty carbs, cutting out sugar and UPF, being in a calorie deficit in order to lose weight and doing some exercise. Plus also cutting out some likely intolerances like gluten. If the only way to achieve this in terms of willpower and sticking to a regimen was to go carnivore then I've nothing against that. But now you should add good stuff back in systematically. Unless you add something back in that you're intolerant to (which is why you do it systematically over time) then I guarantee you'll feel even better.
Since there is a lot more evidence (due to Dave Feldman's work) on LDL maybe that should be the starting point. When it comes to LDL Peter's work is very myopic. There is plenty of evidence that there is a U-shape curve when it comes to longevity and cholesterol with an optimum range being around 230.
This just reminded me of something, I completely changed my habits by finding out book called Health and Beauty Mastery by Julian Bannett. It has been censored.
I found it more sustainable if I add salsas, condiments, carrots to a roast, the occasional citrus or berries. And as a woman, I need chocolate once in a while 😂 so I drink the chocolate collagen as hot cocoa. It’s better than I was before! I can sustain this and I’ve gotten rid of my diabetes.
Peter, by far the best person to talk to about the carnivore diet is Dr Paul Mason - he is the most calm, most well-read, most brilliant person to talk to - please organise to put all you questions to him in an interview.
Dr Attia, I'm excited for you to learn more about what we are experiencing in the carnivore community. And we all look forward to large studies. What we are finding is coronary calcification even goes away. Here's one summary video that talks about the general mis-association of LDL and CAC. ua-cam.com/video/wj-SiyoCyDk/v-deo.htmlsi=6T-IG806wvoO7Dv_
Dr Shawn Baker has said many times, that if you can tolerate plants then include them. Clearly some people cant, such as Mikaela Peterson. I also think its clear that some people can thrive after several years of eating only meat.
this! Thanks for that, that's pretty much the best comment I've read about this issue (I'm familiar with Baker but haven't heard him say that). Everyone's so obsessed with finding THE diet that all humans should eat and then claims theirs is the best one. But we're all different - find what works for you.
The carnivore diet is our optimal diet. Its our species specific species appropriate diet. Has been for over 4 mill years as pre humans and humans beings. We have only eaten grains for around 12000 years. Its a drop in the ocean and in no way have we adapted at all to eating any form of carbohydrate. In fact all carbs are non essential. All plant food is non essential. BTW the way calories cannot be consumed, cannot be brought to rest and are mass less. I thought an MD would know this. You cannot eat heat energy. Its physically impossible. Humans only eat Mass, and nothing else. We use chemical energy not heat energy. We are open systems not closed.
This is nonsense. Carbs are essential, especially as a fuel source, and for recovery and brain health. Humans didn’t adapt to fueling with carbs in the last 10,000 years. They had that fueling system long before then, and it was essential then too.
Dunning - Kruger effect all over. Parroting the same language from a dysfunctional unscientific bunch. So warped you think humans are carnivores, like WTF. Watched American werewolf in London too many times and dreamt of turning into a wolf. Carnivore diet will never be taken seriously by scientific community.
Over three months into the carnivore diet with daily intermittent fasting, and the results are life-changing! Here are my numbers: * Weight: Down 30 pounds * Blood Pressure: Improved from 139/90 to 123/73 * Glucose Levels: Dropped from 123 mg/dL to 102 mg/dL * Ketones: Now at 3.0 mmol/L * GKI (Glucose Ketone Index): 1.8 This combination has truly transformed my health and my life!
The comments prove people are pro Carnivore. Peter should really look into it more seriously. Perhaps he needs to discuss/interview the doctors that promote this. Eric Westman Ken Berry Anthony Chaffee and many many more
ummm no, what it means is that algorithms have brought Carnivore loonies to this page. Just like the algorithms have brainwashed you . Other than that it is pure Dunning - Kruger effect.
I Have been carnivore for several years. I am 71 now. My ldl is 130ish. The dr want me on a statin. I did the risk analysis and decided not to take it. The benefit from the statin was small when compared to the risk. Every one should do their own analysis.
I'd suggest forget LDL-C. Finally, the medical people are beginning to recognize ApoB, ApoA1, and the ratio as having a much closer association with CVD (and no "U" shape like LDL). Get these tests and see where these three biomarkers are. On Keto, my LDL stayed about where it had been for years, 115-135, but my ApoB/ApoA1 ratio went rock bottom healthiest.
@@rickguymon7702 in the teens, that’s good. My heart doctor told me that just because you have calcium doesn’t mean it’s in the artery. It could be on the outside of the artery, which is not a problem. Only way to know is to have a nuclear stress test.
My understanding is that the biggest risk factor for heart disease is insulin resistance or T2 diabetes, not LDL cholesterol. We base biomarkers of health on blood samples from humans eating modern high carb, plant based diets. The carnivore diet is equivalent to many ancestral diets which were largely or exclusively animal based, i.e. low carb, mostly fatty meat. Back in the 1930s, Dr Weston Price toured the world studying tribal people eating traditional diets. His study populations included Swiss folk in the Alps, Scottish Hebridean islanders, Inuit, North American Indians, Andeans, Pacific islanders, Australian aborigines, Maori and various African tribes. His research came at a unique time when western civilisations was encroaching, and altering the diets of many of these people. In every case, he found that those who still followed their ancestral diet were robustly built, strong, healthy, cheerful, free of tooth decay, and had properly formed dental arches. Those who had adopted Western foods (refined flours, polished rice, sugar, canned foods) had rampant tooth decay (this was the period before flouride toothpaste!), greater susceptibility to TB, malignancies, arthritis and so forth. If the individuals were subjected to a Western diet from birth, they often also had smaller dental arches resulting in crowded, misshapen teeth and breathing problems. This epic work is documented in his book "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration". After humans switched from being hunter gatherers to farmers, a significant proportion of the diet swapped from meat to grains and vegetables. This was accompanied by a drop in stature and brain size. Ancient humans thrived on an animal based diet until virtually yesterday on an evolutionary time scale. It is hubris on the part of scientists and doctors to think that they know better than ancestral humans or indeed mother nature.
@@1misago While the transition to agriculture did bring some challenges, it also enabled significant advancements in human society. Modern science continues to build on this knowledge to improve our understanding of nutrition and health.
A whole lot of equivocating going on! I want to eat in a healthy way, but I've waited 50 years to learn exactly what that is. If I wait for so-called scientific studies to prove the what, how, and why, my great great great grandchildren will be long dead. The best I can do during my lifespan is to reduce a wild assed guess to an educated guess. So far that has been a carnivorish diet.
There is also a metabolic shift in fat cells where they utilize more nutrient energy than needed to make the ATP required for the cells to do their work. In a sense, they waste nutrient energy (fat). And because it is a natural process, the body doesn't defend the fat loss like it does when you cut calories. You might end up eating less, but that's because your body is getting extra calories from stored body fat. How do you not know this?
I just couldn't eat enough. Im 70 kg was eating 2 meals of 500gms each. But I just couldn't get down anymore. On the other hand I had the best stool ive ever had in my life.
@HughDWallace hey fellow rocket scientist. I couldn't, it was sickening. The food was just paste in my mouth and could only do a kilo. Like I said in the first comment. Maybe you need a literacy degree to go with the rocket science one.
@@reximusprime31 You are writing off a dietary approach because you tried it one way (eating two meals of 500g apiece). I am suggesting that you try other approaches. I'm also 70kg & I can't eat 500g of meat in one sitting without feeling sick either. 350g is about my limit and I go from feeling fine one mouthful to slightly nauseous the next. That is called satiety. Why are you picking two meals of 500g each? Why not three at 333g each? Why not four at 250g? Maybe it is not the quantity but your choice of food; were you eating beef? pork? lamb? fish? eggs? If you were only eating on food type, why? Why two meals a day? Why not 1 or 4? Why 500g at a time? How long have you been trying the diet before you found it too difficult? Were you low carb beforehand or was your body also adapting to zero carb intake? If the latter then no wonder you felt like you couldn't eat enough but that would likely have changed in time. I can't figure out if you are trying to oversimplify or overcomplicate this approach to diet. The only key thing that matters for most people is don't eat the plants.
In this video I felt I was listening to two 1980s individuals who still believe that high LDL causes cardiovascular disease. If a person's LDL rises after going low carb/keto/carnivore and all their metabolic numbers are improving, and their LDL goes up, you don't go and tell them to medicate that LDL downwards. The body is a lot more intelligent than the two gentlemen in this video. The LDL is going up for a reason. That doesn't mean something bad is happening. And why are they calling this dyslipidemia?
This meta-analysis is from 2018. It appears that lowering LDL for people over 100mg/dl remains effective in preventing cardiovascular mortality. pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5933331/
as much as i like to believe what you say is true, we just don´t know what high LDL in people on ketogenic/carnivore diets does long term. Why is that so hard to admit? There is no data on that, so the best they can do is use already existing data and transfer it to this new context. Could it lead to false conclusions, maybe.
@@guusfraba6221 We have the LMHR trail, one year tracked and many of the participants have been on the diet for 5+ years. Kudos to you for at least you're saying we don't know instead of being like Peter pretending the science is settled.
@@Morgainz88 i just don´t like being dogmatic about these things. There should be a neutral discussion about these topics, so people can decide for themselves which risk they are willing to take. Keto and carnivore seems to work for many people really well, doesn´t mean its perfect and might have downsides. Same goes for all the other diets.
"Tap water is considered not optimal" What? I've listened to many videos by almost EVERY carnivore MD and proponent, I've NOT ONCE heard it said that tap water is "not optimal". Mankind didn't EVOLVE eating significant plant matter Peter, it's NOT species appropriate. "Maybe I'm just biased towards thinking plants are valuable"---YES PETER, THAT'S IT!
Appreciate Dr Attia beginning to explore the carnivore diet and not throw it out universally. His logic about treating large elevations in LDL when they occur with individuals on the diet makes sense. At the same time the jury is still out on this in my opinion. Seems pretty clear that there are lean mass hyperesponders who experience an huge elevation in LDL along with a significant drop in triglycerides. Although just one study looked at this and followed the actual progression of coronary plaque in a group of lean mass hypersponders compared to controls in the Miheart Study - the results are noteworthy and need to be repeated at a larger scale. I also believe that is it equally clear you need to measure your levels or you do not KNOW how you are responding. For many there is no big increase or any increase in LDL and in fact there can be significant improvements in overall bllodwork related to cardiovascular risk. So making the assumption that LDL cholesterol levels are an accurate reflection of plaque deposition is not good science - is it? This is far from settled, but whenever I hear anyone - including Dr. Attia - make blanket statements about something like the carnivore diet I lose respect - it is beneath him to do so. In addition, what Paul Salidino does that is called a "carnivore" diet includes copious amounts of fruit and non-fiber carbohydrate. That is a whole different kettle of fish than a true 100% meat, fish, chicken, and egg diet! The scientists that did the work to do the study I referenced above are not charlatans - nor are they suggesting that everyone or anyone should eat a carnivore/ketogenic diet. Dr Attia should recognize this and be willing to admit they "may" be on to something. Neither Nick Norwitz, Dave Feldman or Dominic D'Agostino are fringe whackos making unsubstantiated claims. Dr Attia should have an open discussion with this group as should Layne Norton - who is another person I have tremendous respect for. Walk your talk gentleman and be willing to have an open discussion!
Attia's line of thinking is LDL is bad and needs to be lowered as much as possible. He's in a way self contradictory. In his book Outlive, he describes that certain genetic expressions like the APOE variant play a huge factor why certain people become centenarians despite suboptimal lifestyle choices (like high meat & saturated fat intake, drinking and smoking) and others die early. Yet, here he makes the blanket statement that high LDL is bad and he uses statins liberally to minimise that risks because randomised control studies focussing on this variable have shown a causal effect. Some scientists argue cholesterol in itself is not the problem. If it ends up in your arteries it is a symptom of cardiovascular inflammation your body is repairing. There's also plenty of evidence for excess blood sugar causing inflammation, which may explain why Type 2 diabetes is a huge risk factor in developing cardiovascular disease. IMO it's foolish to single out a single variable in such a complex system. I would get a calcium score to actually verify how much plaque has built up before lowering LDL aggressively, especially if your HDL is high and your triglycerides low.
@@opusdei51my husband and I had the same LDL at one point:101. I had a coronary artery scan at 53. Zero plaque on n my coronary arteries. I had a carotid ultrasound at 58. Zero plaque. My husband had a coronary artery scan at 60- 135 with plaque in every artery including the widow maker.
You say carnivore diet people are religious when they ignore the ldl/hdl markers, but you are yourself being religious by not instead wondering what the mechanism of action is that might elevate such markers and simply reverting to the old thinking that cholesterol will kill these people by heart disease. Why not instead ask a simple question: do we observe a spike in cardiovascular disease in this population or not? Or do we in fact observe a lowering of cv disease risks?
I think its pretty conclusive from reading most of the comments below how beneficial the carnivore diet is to most people. Ive been carnivore for 3 years and not changing.
Peter starts out this video with such a negative point of view.. The diet is actually so effective at so many things it is startling.. I have been doing it for a year and losing weight was the least of the amazing benefits of doing the carnivore lifestyle. My calories were typically 70% + fat.. Absolutely the best thing I have ever done in my life.
People rarely mention the benefits for mental health and mood regulation. If you suffer from mental illness this diet can be a game changer, literally. These critics always focus on weight loss, sustainability etc when criticising the diet. I wish there was more balance.
Isn't ApoB a surrogate marker? If you are concerned about atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease, why not look for the disease directly? Would you recommend against a carotid intima-media thickness test (CIMT), or a coronary artery calcium (CAC) scan, or a coronary computed tomography angiogram (CCTA)?
Paul Saladino eats carbs. Shawn Baker is basically a carnivore. Makes all the difference. My rule of thumbs, never mix carbs and fat! Have one energy or the other and use them! However, we have the opportunity to eat meat on the daily. High protein is the key!
"one or the other", "never do both carbs and fat". How is this thinking objectively? No, just avoid doing things in excess, try to find the right balance. Anything becomes bad when done in excess...
@@HoobaBros mixing carbs and fat activates the Randle cycle which is harmfull to the mitochondrial mecanism. It' like booze, most can tolerate it but high doses end up wrecking your health, especially with people with already poor metabolism. That's one of the reasons why carnivore is so successful as a cure to metabollic dseases.
High protein is "the key" only if the main goal is to lose weight. Carnivore works really well when it is high in fat (for hormones, anti inflammation, better fuel for the brain, easier bowels....). Most carnivore Drs recommend at least 75% of fat in total calories intake so a carnivore diet is essentially a high fat diet, contrary to the popular beliefs.
These two carry on about high LDL on a carnivore diet and arterial sclerosis - just scan for soft plaque build up over time 🤷♂️ Has that been done and what’s the outcome?
I really like that Dr. Attia is skeptical when talking about this or any diet fad. I went on carnivore a few years ago, and I can say that I lost weight and had some other inflammation go away, but I really bought into the Carnivore Code and all the hype. What I have learned from Dr. Attia, is that there is always positive and negatives with most popular diets, and that different diets work or don't work for different people. Carnivore seems to fit me well as long as I don't overdo calories and total fat content, but I agree that some people can be a bit militant about their diets. There is a reason we evolved as omnivores...
Hmm, really wish doctors would look more at who is funding the study as well as the outcome… Being a longevity “expert “ one may think the fact that seniors with high cholesterol tend to live longer maybe something to look into…
Why do you have to treat elevated Apo B? Genuine question? Do we have any evidence that it does harm? Or are we still reverting to the old " cholesterol bad" mantra?
There is only weak, associative evidence. Any honest scientist knows that nutritional studies cannot determine 100% causality. Peter Attia subscribes to the old Ancel Keys' lipid hypothesis. It is now widely established that elevated cholesterol in metabolically healthy individuals does not cause heart disease. The cholesterol found in blocked arteries is simply trying to heal the arterial lesions. It's an immune/repair response.
@@robertusga But the studies make false claims that apoB is causal. Studies can only show an association. So yes, cholesterol is found in CVD. But what is it doing there? Is it trying to help repair lesions as part of an immune response or is just a nasty molecule (apart from making all hormones, vitamin D, cell membranes, brain and neurological tissue etc).
Science schmience (and I LOVE science). What does 'the science' have to say about carnivore? Next to nothing. And here's the kicker - it's not because the diet doesn't work, but because nutrition science is weak sauce compared to, say, physics or chemistry. Run a physics experiment? You'll get the same result 100 out of 100 times. Lower your dietary cholesterol? Well... 🤷♂️ Let's talk about why nutrition studies are such a mess: 1. They rely heavily on food questionnaires (how many almonds did you eat last year?) 2. Most studies are observational - they can show correlation but not causation (reminder: ice cream sales and drowning deaths are correlated too) 3. The 'healthy user bias' is a statistical nightmare (people who follow dietary guidelines also tend to exercise more, smoke less, etc.) 4. Long-term controlled feeding studies are practically impossible (anyone want to live in a lab for 20 years?) The real sciences to examine are biochemistry, evolution, and anthropology. Here, it becomes crystal clear that fatty meat is the absolute cornerstone of human nutrition. It has everything a human needs to thrive, and nothing that's deleterious. Fatty meat literally built and fueled our evolution as a species - it's the ultimate "species-appropriate" food for humans. Our massive energy-hungry brains didn't evolve by munching on raw kale. The carnivore diet is essentially the ultimate elimination diet - everything you need, nothing you don't. While one could debate whether the complete elimination of all plant matter is necessary for everyone (our ancestors certainly ate plants when available), the fundamental principle remains: animal foods are the nutritional foundation that built our species. Could we use more rigorous studies on the carnivore diet? Absolutely. But waiting for perfect evidence while ignoring the clear signals from evolution, anthropology, and basic biochemistry is like waiting for a meteorologist to tell you it's raining while you're getting soaked in a downpour. Remember, the absence of modern clinical trials doesn't invalidate millions of years of human evolution. Our ancestors weren't reading nutrition labels or counting macros - they were thriving on a diet centered around animal foods. Ultimately, the proof is in the (egg) pudding. When a handful of people claim a diet helped them, that's anecdotal evidence that deserves a raised eyebrow. But when thousands upon thousands of people report transformative, life-changing results, often after years of struggling with other approaches... that's a different animal entirely (pun intended). Does this prove that no human should ever eat a single stalk of broccoli? No. But it demonstrates that the carnivore diet deserves to be taken seriously and researched thoroughly as a potentially powerful intervention for improving human health. We're not just talking about dropping a few pounds here - we're talking about people reversing autoimmune conditions, mental health issues, and chronic diseases that conventional approaches couldn't touch. That's the kind of evidence that shouldn't be dismissed just because it hasn't been double-blind placebo controlled (though good luck figuring out how to make a placebo steak).
The LDL theory has been disproven decades ago. Insulin resistance is a much better indicator of potential heart disease as is c reactive protein and gum disease.
What about Dr Chaffee neuro surgeon, Dr Obadia cardiac surgeon , Dr Palmer Psychiatric, Dr Berry MD ? Are they all ideological ? They are all carnivore advocates. The fact that you don’t have studies does not mean it is bad. I wish doctors like you guys were more curious and less biased.
there are many different doctors advocating for many different things. There are many doctors advocating for a plantbase vegan diet as well. A (doctor) title doesn´t mean much when it comes to the truth.
@@guusfraba6221 the nice thing is to see the physical condition of the doctors who support carnivore... and then to try carnivore and experience the physical and mental change. I wish the 2 doctors, instead of wagging lips, tried carnivore for 2 months and then discussed. This is N=1 science because there will never be big dollars put into a study that doesn't make a single company rich.
What baffles me in this conversation is what seems obvious. Don't we have imaging techniques that can establish your cardiovascular health? Don't we have other lab tests that can give indicators as to whether the carnivore diet is actually a good long term strategy? Would it not make sense to test this stuff yearly, which presumably insurance would pay for, in order to determine the truth? Otherwise it is just sort of guessing, which is frustrating for everyone.
I give up! Eating carbs makes you sick, eating meat makes you sick, eating dairy makes you sick, eating vegetables makes you sick! What the hell am I supposed to eat!?? I also don’t want to have to have a biology/medical/nutrition degree just to eat a damn meal! Can anyone tell I’m frustrated!?
Eat whole real foods. A big factor in all of this is the chemicals and additives in our foods. Prolonged exposure to additives and chemicals and high amounts of fats and sugars combined (a largely unnatural combination in mother nature) is making us obese and sick when these fake "foods" are not consumed in moderation or eliminated altogether. So eat your veggies, your meat, your dairy that is the least processed as possible if you can tolerate it and you will have won the biggest battle that many of us lose because we think that anything in the grocery store at all is a-okay. Not true. Eat real food. Get rid of made up sh*t. You win.
move, move, move, and you can eat whatever you want. these diet restrictions work for lazy fat office workers whose work capacity is zero. burn 3000 cal a day through activity eat whole foods and what you fancy and you better than 99 percent of diet gurus. btw i was on paleo for 3 years tried carnivore, these days i eat 400g of carbs daily because i train hard to improve vo2max and mitochondrial function. as a species we ment to move. diet is the cookie cutter easy solution these days and its mainly money and marketing.
My a.m. glucose was running 125 for months while I was low carb on keto. I’ve been mostly carnivore for 2 months and glucose is down to around 110. I an NOT anti-plant but evidently carb intolerant. Maybe at some point I can reintroduce veggies. I’ve been an organic gardener for years and this is a radical change in behavior. Age 82 and I miss my broccoli. ❤
A fasting glucose of 125 is diabetic. If I go to the gym and work out with weights, the elliptical, but finish off with light cardio to burn off any rise in blood sugar from the lifting, my fasting is 80 to 87. With the same low carb food but no exercise, I am 96.
@ I’m aware that I am over the threshold into diabetes territory….and you are not. My point in writing on this forum is it’s a lengthy process to rectify insulin excess at advanced age. If some young person, reads this and avoids the problem, it’s a step in the right direction. My insulin level has NEVER been tested. This is an error in the Medicare system. My doc is unconcerned about the levels saying that diabetes is a slow moving disease. My situation was preventable….Type 2 diabetes is reversible whether my doc knows that or not.
@@deepost2604 I am actually in the diabetic range 200 if I eat certain foods. Both my parents were diabetic and I have the genetics snp for it. I am extremely insulin sensitive. My problem is I don't produce a lot, but not auto immune diabetes, just my genetics. My comment is to encourage exercise, that's all.
@ I clocked 173 minutes yesterday with over 1/2 of it being in the cardio range…plenty exercise. No sugar in this house for 3 years…low glycemic and low carb for years. On berberine and chromium. Frankly doing everything I can to bring glucose down. Thanks for the encouragement. It’s a slog.
Have we ever considered where our starting point should be and how far we have may have potentially moved it? I mean isn't it interesting that no other animals are having to sit around and discuss what their optimal diet is? The only animals that get sick are domesticated ones eating our unnatural food or food that isn't evolutionarily appropriate to them. Why is the rest of the animal kingdom getting by with optimal or near optimal health? Perhaps we are still making it too complicated. Somehow, we've convinced ourselves that these truths of nature don't apply to us. Humans are omnivores, yes. They have the capacity to eat plants and even more so since we cook. However, this doesn't mean that we aren't primarily carnivorous. The ppl in the carnivore community explain a lot of this brilliantly. The proof is in the pudding. If everything humans require can be found in animals but not so in plants then......and then? The truths go on and on like this. Plus you guys really discount all those conflicting studies on LDL. Including at least one or two that had to be dug out of someone's basement because they were "disappointed by the conclusion."
Peter, I appreciate you, I’ve read your longevity book. Appreciate a lot of your content & candor about your personal battles. Just think your way off on nutrition. Why wouldn’t you sit down and have a civilized conversation with Paul Saladino or Mark Sisson? It doesn’t have to be strick carnivore, a lot more about quality & focused on the animal products & the correct plant products.
Maybe because Peter is a scientist who goes by hard outcome data from human studies? Saladino and friends not so much. No need for discussions with folks who are not subject matter experts and only have a "all experts are wrong! Big Pharma is out to get you! Buy my (fill in the blanks) instead!" agenda.
Disagree. I’ve thrived eating both keto and then carnivore. I also think they presented without any apparent extreme bias. Notice how neither one demonizes eating carnivore. I really appreciated this content.
@@Minisquid100 and he both professes and owns it. It’s a huge step forward to say that I am biased bc of xyz and here’s what I think. Everyone has a bias and he owned his.
@@Minisquid100 Having doubts is a sign of a good understanding of science, you probably have a strong positive Bias and that's why you react emotionally to him not being positive about. I thought he was quite neutral on the topic and not more critical towards this compared to other strict elimination diets.
PLEASE, please do a full episode on this topic, Dr. Attia! There are so many conflicting opinions on this topic that, for a layman, it becomes impossible to decide and ultimately ends up in one of the two echo chambers at either end of the spectrum.
When my apoB went sky high on low carb , I adjusted up my resistant carb intake until my apoB went back to my baseline. I found that eating 100 grams of carbs per day was enough to return my apoB to my baseline. Did this 4 years ago. Over time I have increased my carb intake. What I noticed was a greater carb tolerance. My post prandial Blood Glucose spike after eating 60+ grams of carbs was well below the 140 cut off. My fasting blood glucose also dropped to low 90s from 105. What I stay away from any carb that spikes my glucose above 140 . I do think cooling carbs before eating does convert some of the carbs into a resistant starch. So my choice was neither. Adding a medication / drug fix a reaction without first trying a adjustment to diet is a bad idea. Long term effects of drugs are a huge problem with medical practice. Drugs interfere with the biological software in ways that are not understood much better to adjust diet and let the body use the nutrients as needed.
Are you worried about cardiac events, I believe hypertension and diabetes are greater risk factors and generally improved on carnivore. Honestly, the focus should be on oxidative phosphorylation vs Warburg effect, deuterium depletion is the key, this was totally ignored.
Dr Attia. The reason carnivore proponents are ok with elevated cholesterol is, I believe, the Minnesota Coronary Study. The idea that people with elevated cholesterol longer in the absence of carbs. I could be wrong. Just a casual observer.
Dr. Saladino has not been strict carnivore or carnivore in general for a couple of years. In his last blood work review his total cholesterol was 222, LDL 151, HDL 53, Triglycerides 89, and APO B 129. If you going to call out someone, find out if anything has changed.
oh okay, it's really important to research up on all the loonies in the Carnivore community to check up on their unscientific facts. And to see who isn't a werewolf anymore..and who has become omnivore again like Saladino...or something like that. Gotcha
Personal experiences people share is they go on it for a while and reintroduce foods with some success with no return of their problem (even some people who have severe depression/ mood disorders). It’s worthy of considering for some folks.
Nice summary. Missed the opportunity to note that the lean mass hyper responder crowd is addressing the extremely high LDL probable risk. Although only short term data so far, the results are interestingly promising. It is only addressing a very very mall group whom are fit and very lean which would mask or delay the onset of CVS disease. So inherently they will have to wait decades for data to come in that will tell which way this diet tips the balance. But they certainly are not just putting their heads under the sand and hoping for the best.
To state emphatically that you have not educated yourself on something and then to pass judgment on it is the definition of idiocy. I spent 51 years as an athlete following the same nutritional advice you promote. Even followed you for a while. I switched to a carnivore diet 3 years ago based on the cutting edge nutritional data available. It stopped the progression of my atherosclerosis cold. Even with my LDL increasing to 215. Carnivore made me feel and gain the abilities of someone 20 years younger than me, boosted my energy, improved my IQ score and a host of other benefits. But because there is no double blind studies on Carnivore so I and all my lab reports must be delusional. Crazy to watch two men who call themselves doctors and who believe in science, sit around and have a confirmation bias chat based on hear say and guesses. So sad.
This is dry! Get up to date. Lots of old info here. Sorry, but try to stay current. This is a rapidly evolving field. You are going to have to work alittle harder....
Processed food are bad, plant foods have their predicaments, and animal foods are universally low inflammatory, metabolically sound, and nutrient dense. An animal based or carnivore diet makes sense coming from someone who isn’t in the “cult” or eats those ways.
11:59 it’s funny to hear him say that people are defensive on the things they believe while also dismissing the idea that LDL might not be a bit as bad as it’s made out to be in people with healthy functioning metabolism
@SteakandChains what is funny is that folks like you make it sound as if there is outcome data from long-running studies showing that "metabolically healthy" is protective against long-term high ApoB. Please, humor us and share the pubmed id's of this hard outcome data that nullifies the hundreds of studies over decades, all showing that long-term high ApoB is causal in CVD.
Bingo. Only oxidized LDL is atherogenic, not native. The protective nature of "large and fluffy" LDL, and the problematic nature of small, dense LDL is because the latter is far more susceptible to oxidation. This is also why VLDL is problematic, i.e., it is especially prone to oxidation.
@JasonActualization and oxidation and glycation is due to high blood glucose/hyperinsulinemia which is from red meat eating SAD diet, not a carnivore diet.
when you watch that video, you are left with the general notion that high LDL is directly and singularly related to CVD, is that true though ? what about the two types of LDL ? what about the level og TG or HDL ? Theres something not very convincing about this video if you also consider the fact that they talk about "treating" high LDL, meaning medication.. hmm
One group of people who goes on the carnivore diet have IBS. Chronic diarrhea can lead do a plethora of severe deficiency problems. As a starting point for a elimination diet its really efficient.
Once again Attia waffles on about something he "hasn't really considered". Adds no science or references and makes sweeping statements that are just wrong. He is a charlatan when talking about diets and this one in particular. He hasn't even done a N=1 and tried it himself. He really is a joke at this point.
Interesting that the majority of comments on this video are suggesting the carnivore diet is in fact very impactful for weight loss and disease remission. I would suggest most carnivores do miss variety, but would chose health and pain free living over variety in thier diet.
True, except I don't miss the variety - I value the simplicity
It's not just weight loss, a lot of people are going on these diets and putting their autoimmune diseases into remission.
It's not carnivore diet is putting their autoimmune diseases into remission, it is eliminating all junk food, wheat gluten and overeating. Walsh protocol has plenty of vegetables, but it also puts autoimmune diseases into remission.
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There´s no logical or scientific reason other that what they left out of their diet.
@juno6 umm...that's kind of the point.
@@SamShank175 well carnivores don't see their "diet" as an elimination diet, they think meat have some magical properties.
You didn't address the actual claim that carnivore advocates make, which is that LDL alone doesn't cause heart disease and requires metabolic dysfunction or inflammation to become oxidised LDL.
He didn't, because this claim is right.
Research it.
There is zero correlation between ldl and CVD. What is most predictive is your triglyceride to hdl ratio - below 1.5 is ideal. There is an inverse relationship between LDL and all cause mortality. Statin research likes to quote relative risk reduction as opposed to absolute risk reduction because the change in absolute risk is negligible. What benefit statins do provide is likely due to a reduction in inflammation. The FDA should require that drug companies release all data from their drug trials, rather than hide those that yield the wrong results. Every researcher that has been compelled by drug companies to not publish their research should be required to speak up and publish their results. Perhaps RFK Jr could make that happen.
@alexandertsigaridas5411 I know I'm on an animal based diet
Peter is big on the lipid hypothesis and takes a statin to lower his LDL even though he doesn’t have “high” LDL so it’s clear what he believes. However, I think that he’s seeing the tide turning on that as new studies are released and old studies are being scrutinized a little more closely. I don’t expect his apology to come any time soon. 😅
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I’ve been on carnivore for 2 years now and I’ve gone from 60 units of insulin per day Following the ADA food guidelines to now requiring zero insulin on carnivore. Oh and I l lost 45 lbs with no change in exercise.
I've been on keto/carnivore for 5 years now. I've lost over 150 pounds and maintained my weight with this meal plan. I feel better than I have in decades. My blood work is excellent. Protein and fat are very satiating so you don't eat as much. That's a good thing for a person like me with disordered eating. My energy level and mood are consistent. This has worked for me. Do what works for you.
What do you answer to people who say you must have micronutrients deficiencies because you don't get vitamines from fruits for example?
@@sebholdingI do take a good daily multivitamin and other supplements as well. I don't have any vitamin/mineral deficiencies.
@@sebholdingif you eat nose to tail that doesn't happen
@@Therealmathilda I do the same. But then people argue about the fact that such supplements are "natural" or have poor bioavailability
@sebholding I don't care what others say or do regarding my meal plan.
It’s disappointing that the carnivore diets affect on inflammation was not even mentioned.
Which is a primary cause of heart disease. But that would mean Peter would have to back off this lipid hypothesis which has never, not once, ever been true. He won't do that. He has an ego problem it seems.
It shows Peter, as you say in the beginning “I haven’t given it much thought”.
"Its not a diet ive spent any time really thinking about, but im going to tell you all whether its good or not anyway." 😂
Exactly 😂
We evolve as hypercarnivores, thats a fact, so...There is the answer, what else is there to say or think? These two guys are ignorant fools or hypocritical liars.
Bro is so mad he doesn't like carnivore, get over it there's been plenty of people study it before you. They all came to the same conclusion, we aren't pure carnivores.
@@MasculineIdeal no one said "pure carnivore" I said Hypercarnivore, thats 75% and above carnivore, around 20% came from roots and other junk we used to find to survive, that's from isotopic analysis of ancient human remains. Facts. What studies are you referring to?
@ Yeah I probably agree with you, I was speaking to the original poster. I dont need studies to make conclusions either, dont be one of those autistic tards. Ive been around enough people who went full carni and had major issues, alongg with my self, to know who arent 100% carnivores.
I'd like to believe these guys, but I've been on this diet for 2 years, and my tumour has stopped growing. The brain surgeon who monitors me every year has said, "Whatever you're doing, keep doing it!" My muscles have grown, and I have more hair. In fact, my hair has become very thick.
Excellent! Are you also intermittent fasting?
@TruthTellerTH-k3w I eat meat twice a day and try and keep it within a 6 to 8 hour window.
@@ph0605 and apparently your high ldl is an issue. Keep up the great work. Apparently my reversing my heart disease isn't possible as medical science says so. But here we are changing paradigms
Congrats, and to think Peter, an oncologist, is dismissing the carnivore diet. If this was the 19th century, he'd be among the doctors who refused to wash their hands. We need the doctors who injected cocaine into their spine or ate h pylori, Peter is not that guy.
@sophtayl yes, my Ldl is high but my triglycerides are the lowest they've ever been, and my Hdl is the highest it's ever been. Everything is looking good.
I have been carnivore since 2018, after following a low carbohydrate diet since 1996...never had weight or health issues but I feel even better following a carnivore diet. All my health markers are excellent but, of course, my LDL is "high", which does not mean its bad. I wonder how many people in their 60's are taking zero medications, have an athletic body and are physically very active on a "FDA recommended" diet?
I find it curious that Dr Atilla is so dismissive of the carnivore diet, and unwilling to even take a fair look at it. I've been on what you might call a keto-vore diet now for about 3 years. I eat fewer than 20g of carbs per day, and I use plant based items like garlic as more of a supplement than a side dish. The benefits I have seen would take way more time to explain than I want to spend here. Yes , my LDL is 211, and there is no way that I'm going to trade that unproven risk for the very proven risk of pharmaceutical drugs. This diet has drastically improved my life, and honestly, even if it shorten my life by a few years, which there is zero evidence that it will, I would still do it! Everybody has to believe something, because nobody can be trusted to speak truthfully about anything diet related. I've experimented on my own body for almost 50 years now, and most of the "information" prior to carnivore has resulted in utterly disastrous results for me.
Despite what people may say, LDL is not the enemy. When on the keto-carnivore diet, yes our cholesterol is higher than average, but we NEED cholesterol to function properly. Our LDL is also in a non destructive form as carbs are kept to a minimum. Carbs oxidize LDL into smaller particles which IS bad for us. Dr. Paul Mason explains this in some of his You tube videos. I'm eating the same way as you, I feel great and don't get bored of eating. And I'm no longer a slave to food.
These mainstream you tube drs have an agenda and ego
@@scoobydoozoom To be completely clear I'm only addressing this single point you make because the logic annoyed me. Please do not justify high levels of cholesterol by saying "we need cholesterol". Yes, of course we need it but most cells make it and so does the liver if they can't make enough. This does not justify having excess cholesterol in the blood stream which is often a cause of ASCVD. There are optimal ranges for these things.
Appreciate that you're honest about your LDL levels in a place where no one could prove it if you gave some low imaginary figure. That said I'd love it if you spent more time talking about at least some of the benefits it's given you. And yes Atilla's dismissiveness of it is really offputting, I don't understand why a supposed man of science would be so close-minded about a diet which so far there isn't much evidence about, neither for nor against.
Because he's a big believer in taking pharmaceuticals
Dr Attia recently said that he wasn’t that concerned anymore about seed oils - that tells you everything about where he is drifting.
Also was an advocate of fasting for years until the last year or so. Definitely think someone got to him or he just wants to sell us something.
@@zr1cvette Because he isn’t dogmatic, he’s evidenced-based. Long-term fasting has been shown to cause the loss of lean mass including in his own experience.
@ yes maybe high level training while extended fasting I could maybe see. We never would’ve survived as a species if we couldn’t or weren’t able to fast. Also if there’s any available fat you’re going to use that. It’s not about being dogmatic. No one makes money off fasting. Period.
@ Difference between surviving and thriving/being optimal. Losing lean muscle mass is not optimal.
@ fasting increases growth hormone. Odds of losing lean muscle especially in someone with moderate to high bodyfat is slim. Again when people wanna sell you something. Fasting isn’t optimal.
Saladino has not been on a carnivore diet for a while...he eats fruit, honey, raw milk, fruit juice, etc.
GRifter extraordinaire
@BenjaminKuruga Not exactly, carnivore cured his health problems but after 1.5 years he developed electrolyte issues that only carbs could alleviate. YMMV. Seems like he still avoids grains.
I adopted that same diet, animal based diet. Carnivore made me suffer in term of training performance
Plants have toxins. That's how they protect themselves.
If you're going to do a podcast on something, do some research 1st.
Meat, especially beef, is highly digestible and is the least inflammatory food you can consume. There are many studies on ketosis and it's healing benefits out there.
@@4DTravelr add salt and potassium to your steak, take a magnesium bath. 360 to 212 on carnivore and off most meds 56 6ft 2in old busted up drywall finisher, walking atleast 5 miles a day and lifting even with f ed up shoulders knees and back. Life's about choices.
I’ve been carnivore/animal based going on three years now- where before I was nearly bedridden, couldn’t work, too sick to function. This way of eating has restored me and my ability to live not only a high functioning life but the mental health benefits alone were such a huge bonus I could never go back. My gut was destroyed by antibiotics and I didn’t realize eating plant based was making all my problems 100% worse. I can eat some vegs now without issues, the only thing I absolutely can not tolerate are vegetable oils. They destroy me on so many inflammatory levels that I’m out for a week if I have them. Alcohol doesn’t even affect me that terribly. Food for thought!
Sorry guys, not your best work, bordering on pathetic tbh. It's almost like you've done no research and never tried it yourself ...... why not get Anthony Chaffee on , he seems to be somewhat of an encyclopedia on the subject. Honestly even I could have provided a more open outlook & better info (yes anecdotal, but that's how all information starts off) And as for "maybe your a little bias" Peter ...... well duh !
Enjoyed the comments though , it seems you followers have it covered better than you do.
Oh god, please stop using Paul Saladino as a representative for the carnivore diet - please stop.
Oh okay...lets use Dr Berry. I especially liked the video where he drove through a fast food outlet and ordered just patties. The guy is an absolute genius. Nobel Prize, surely.
People don't talk about how much lifetime you achieve.
You have to cook less; eat less; poop less, and faster; and sleep less on this diet, so you have a lot of more useful time in your day.
Carnivore for 3 years, I'v never been so healthy. Body and mind are at their peak!
You’ll get fatty liver eventually or your apob will be too high that you go into cardiac arrest
@ryanhenning8939 not true. Carnivore diet can reverses fatty liver.
@@ryanhenning8939that's a lie.
@@ryanhenning8939fatty liver is caused by excessive carbs or alcohol, not fat.
@@ryanhenning8939wrong again
I’m doing the opposite of what the AMA and FDA has told me my whole life. I’m 55. I work out 2x a week for 30 minutes and eat carnivore. I’ve never felt or looked better in my life with such ease. With a baseball hat, I look 20 on the beach, lol. I’m not ideological. I’m on to the scam :)
I think 2 people discussing this issue with surface knowledge of the theory and large number of n=1 success stories of overall health, weight management, endurance performance, autoimmune disease improvement shows a disconnect between traditional medical training and actual outcomes. The mention of cholesterol is, I think a sign that someone like Dr Paul Mason should be talked to, or at least his Data on Cholesterol vs longevity studies be looked at. At 55 my blood pressure is optimal, resting heart rate below 50, low triglycerides). I'm open minded, live an otherwise healthy and active lifestyle and must say that the Carnivore diet is the first eating plan I've tried with a palpable improvement in physical (daily bloody noses stopped, aching joints minimized noticeably, skin health improvement, optometrist asking me how I solved my dry eye problem, improved GI performance, steady alertness all day, ability to do 7 day mountain bike race without any mid-stage energy gells or sugar of any sort) and mental condition. It is literally fucking amazing! And I'm fine with whatever happens to cholesterol seeing the studies from Dr Paul Mason showing an inverse relationship between cholesterol and heart attacks and improved longevity.
Gotta say, this is the first time I've been unhappy with the information presented on your podcast. You've essentially had a discussion without doing the research. You have a pile of interesting things to at least consider: talk to Dr Paul Mason from Australia - a brilliant doctor and sports scientist (fiber bad, cholesterol vs longevity studies are his highlights). Dr. Ken Berry, Dr Shawn Baker, Dr Shawn Omara... the number of exceptionally well trained doctors going down this path both personally and for patient care is getting to be too big for the surface level discussion have in this.
If high LDL is so bad and we have statins to correct it, how come the heart attack is still number one killer.
I reduced my added sugar intake, and my LDL went up by 30%. I’m not carnivore, but I’m not afraid to eat healthy fats. I listened to enough experts to make conclusion that high LDL if you do not have diabetes is not a big predictor of a heart attack.
Actually, correcting the LDL level with statin would decrease my level of cardiac event in the next five years from 8.5% to 7.8% (according to my doctor’s, cardiac calculator). This by itself is not beneficial for me to take a drug that may cause side effects.
It doesn’t matter how many experts you have listened to because first, you may be biased in your expert selection, and second many of them contradict each other on these topics anyway. What matters is what we see in the actual studies.
Also, its well known that cardiovascular mortality is not impacted much over a short period of time, and 5 years is. ASCVD risk depends on your lifetime exposure to LDL / apob. So the differences in longevity will be huge, not on 5 but on 15, 20, 30 years.
@@remy8587💯
Cardiovascular mortality is impacted over a long period of time due to the high consumption of poor quality sugars and carbohydrates. We know this because we have now been eating these junk food for a long period of time. What we do not have or what we have forgotten is the impact of a proper human diet mainly consisting of quality meat over a long period of time. It is only recently that the carnivore diet has come back into light, and there has not been enough time to scientifically judge its outcome on the lipid model. One thing we do know, is that our ancestors did not suffer from most of the modern metabolic and autoimmune diseases that we have today.
you've got the wrong doctors bro
Because high cholesterol has no symptoms, so people often don't realise until it's too late...
Funny thing. Before I started carnivore, I was extremely nutrient deficient for decades and nobody said anything.
Now I’m getting more bioavailable vitamins and minerals than ever before, my mental and physical ailments are gone…
and now suddenly everyone thinks I’m nutrient deficient and says I need supplements?
Haha same. It's hilarious. Why the hell am I not dying from scurvy? Funny thing is, my dentist said my gums have stopped bleeding and are the best they've ever been lol.
@@Minisquid100 That's because you aren't eating the sugar and simple carbs. The same happened to me.
Same here and my 20-30 family and friends that are getting a 2nd life on carnivore and telling all
The stupid doctors- fuck you and your ignorant stupid soma -
No more stupid meds and a bunch of ignorant doctors telling us: “oh, I don’t know why you feel like shit or have pain? You just old. Here’s a bunch of meds I need to write you so that pharma can give me more stuff”
@@Therealmathilda the point was scurvy causes bleeding gums
Wow 2 guys that didn’t research the diet at all give their opinions on its nutritional value
Yeah, stunning and brave.
@PATrainwreck ah, so you are an expert in the field. Brilliant. Please rebut the arguments presented, ideally backed up by pubmed id's of the studies supporting your position. Thank you.
Yep I want my 14 minutes back. These two are clueless
@CvoreAthlete Good to know. Luckily, we have you to set them straight, right? So what specific outcome data from which studies convinced you they are clueless?
Considering there are no placebo controlled, double blind clinical studies on the health effects of the carnivore diet i'd say whatever 'research' you looked at is low quality aswell .....
The lack of science and abundance of bias in this conversation is mind blowing.
You can say that Again
@@TravisBiggie The lack of science and abundance of bias in this conversation is mind blowing.
This is the pattern of Attila in many things over the past few years. I have stopped listening to him for most issues, but the thumbnail and title hooked me this time, for which I was disappointed.
Peter is extremely biased against carnivore. He’s good pals with slimy Layne Norton who was recently forced to apologize online to Dr. Anthony Chaffee, carnivore mastermind under threat of legal action. You better watch your mouth too peter boy.
lack of science? they mention the carnivore diet not having randomized controlled trials to support its supposed benefits. and are they really bias or does the video simply challenge your own viewpoint?
The anti inflammatory nature of eating carnivore for me is the driving nature. I feel best when eating this way.
You can't feel high ApoB.
@@TimTietjenand yet my apob is at the low end of normal. Sub fraction test confirms pattern a ldl. So there's that. And may cac has regressed by 20% in 12months while on carnivore ?
Same here. 👍
@@sophtayl Low ApoB numbers on carnivore are rare but they aren't impossible. Regressing CAC scores by 20% is literally impossible.
Carnivore diet is not anti inflammatory, meat doesn't have antioxidant properties. it is eliminating all junk food, wheat gluten and stopping overeating helped you to reduce inflammation, you simply eliminated inflammatory foods.
I love the contrast between vegan and carnivore. The biggest difference is carnivore looks healthy and the vegan doesn’t when there is no supplementation . So even if by some slim chance carnivore does harm it doesn’t show. That fact alone should make the detractors curious as to why the appearance of health is so robust.
Dave Feldman isn't curious about his high LDL? You're not curious why high LDL doesn't increase plaque on coronary CTA in people. Lipid hypothesis is flawed but you can't get past your bias
so true.
😂
Feldman is the one who is biased; not the guy on the internet who has dubbed himself Carnivore Athlete and built his entire identity around his diet.
@@bigmike0000000No Little Mike. Feldmen has been very open and clear with the LMHR trial.
@@bigmike0000000Feldman is constantly saying he doesn't know the answer, he just thinks we need to investigate why the lean mass hyper-responders seem to be healthy.
LDL is not a concern. Look into the science by Feldman and Bikman and others.
The constant barrage of protein gets you jacked AF if you’re lifting weights. I got so strong and so jacked just eating meat. It’s the best shape I was ever in. Since I’ve done a variation of it but nothing worked as well as being 100% into it and just eating meat.
Got you didn't get me at all.
I am on a weight loss journey this year and documenting the carnivore diet, atheltic improvement and improving my health markers and everyday living, it's been 2 weeks and I can feel it, the energy, recovery and inflammation improving at a steady rate, crazy to say 2 weeks in for me 😅
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Exactly that. Someone says they're not eating plants or sugar and people lose it, but someone says they're ELIMINATING meat and people think THAT's healthy?
The carnivore diet is the only thing that took away this chest pain I had going on for 3 years. I went to the hospital one night because it was hurting really bad. They basically said I was fine and it could be stress. My diet at the time was mainly items from Costco. I tried buying organic when I could. I would eat chicken, rice, broccoli, asparagus, brussel sprouts, mushrooms,beans, pastas, steaks, occasionally fast food. Did the carnivore diet for 3 weeks and my chest pain went away, lost 30 pounds. Eczema cleared up. My teeth were always white. Had steady energy at the gym and never felt sluggish or felt any anxiety. This was 2 years ago and I slowly started to eat the same “traditional american diet” again and I’m seriously thinking about going back to the carnivore diet with the seasonal occasional fruit.
You do realise it's called the silent killer for a reason. Everyone feels good the day before their heart attack...and you are in the high risk category when one looks at all the best available scientific data.
It's interesting the focus on LDL. On keto or carnivore, insulin sensitivity is improved. What role does insulin resistance play in cardiovascular disease? If LDL was the only culprit, then what of all the people who have heart attacks, etc who have very low levels of LDL. Metabolic disease has so many know issues that can lead to diabetes, stroke, heart issues.
@boydmccollum692 heart attacks cause low ldl-c. Now go check before the event. High ApoB over time kills.
Because ldl is causative for cvd
@@nicacrush We keep being told that but 50% of heart attack victims have low cholesterol, and in a massive study of 10 million people over 12 years in South Korea, those with High cholesterol on average outlived those with low cholesterol.
As one scientist from Johns Hopkins said, if you think LDL causes heart disease, then you think ambulances cause accidents.
In other words, it's correlative, not causative.
« If LDL was the only culprit » well its not, its multifactorial like many things, its just a major one
@@nicacrushPeter isn't as focused on LDL anymore. He's more concerned about APOB now.
Did I miss the science bit?
Exactly 😂
I have an entire family with diabetes, arthritis, autoimmune, ibs, obesity, chronic fatigue, high blood pressure, high triglycerides, slow wound healing that all reversed and all
Of us - 40-80years old -
5 -10
Months later are all now thriving
Lost over 20 lbs of visceral fat, and gaining more than 5-10% muscle
Wounds heal in 2-3 days, not 2-3 months
No more allergies or dependence on antihistamines
No more diabetes or reliance on insulin
No more high blood pressure and dependence on any meds
No more muscle pain , arthritis, or inflammation- no more reliance on my more steroids!
Insane clarity - mentally
Insane energy- no more chronic fatigue.
Arm and hand strength all back
Even black hair is growing back!
No more IBS, bloating, gas or any heart burn
@Weeweesilly not good enough evidence lol. Anecdotes don't count, even if it's in the tens of thousands, including entire families.
I really wanna know what people actually ate before going carnivore. There’s many wrong ways to eat on an omnivore diet, hence they see improvement when they’re told to follow something very restrictive such as carnivore.
@remy8587 They ate huge amount of carbs,cumulatively for years
@@Cradleland7425 they ate ultra-processed foods*. Stop the bullshit. I eat 600 grams of carbohydrates, 150 grams of protein, 120 grams of fiber and only 30 grams of fat per day. My BMI is 22, BP is 100/60, triglycerides are 41 mg/dL, blood glucose is 89 mg/dL, fasting insulin is 4.7, HbA1c is 5.1%.
Carbohydrates are not the problem. Eating unhealthy, man-made food is. My entire extended family has always eaten like this. We never had obesity in our family. People stopped eating our traditional diet (which is heavy in carbs) and started eating a bunch of UPFs, and now there are ~10 obese individuals in the family, all with a lot of autoimmune diseases and even diabetes. I do not doubt that doing the carnivore diet would help lose weight and improve their health, but so would returning to our high-carb traditional diet.
I bet you could all have seen the vast majority of those benefits by cutting out most empty carbs, cutting out sugar and UPF, being in a calorie deficit in order to lose weight and doing some exercise. Plus also cutting out some likely intolerances like gluten. If the only way to achieve this in terms of willpower and sticking to a regimen was to go carnivore then I've nothing against that. But now you should add good stuff back in systematically. Unless you add something back in that you're intolerant to (which is why you do it systematically over time) then I guarantee you'll feel even better.
Since there is a lot more evidence (due to Dave Feldman's work) on LDL maybe that should be the starting point. When it comes to LDL Peter's work is very myopic. There is plenty of evidence that there is a U-shape curve when it comes to longevity and cholesterol with an optimum range being around 230.
This just reminded me of something, I completely changed my habits by finding out book called Health and Beauty Mastery by Julian Bannett. It has been censored.
thanks
Wow you can't even find that book on Amazon. Edit: seems like it could be some type of scam.
Typical scam reply: irrelevant to video, touting something
I found it more sustainable if I add salsas, condiments, carrots to a roast, the occasional citrus or berries. And as a woman, I need chocolate once in a while 😂 so I drink the chocolate collagen as hot cocoa. It’s better than I was before! I can sustain this and I’ve gotten rid of my diabetes.
I prefer onions and peppers with my beef.
If you guys don't know about carnivore just ask Bart Kay he will teach you what you don't understand about it
Peter, by far the best person to talk to about the carnivore diet is Dr Paul Mason - he is the most calm, most well-read, most brilliant person to talk to - please organise to put all you questions to him in an interview.
Pity he is conflicted
@@Davidkxf Go on, explain
Him, or Dave Feldman, or Nick Norwitz.
Paul Saladino is a bit over the top.
Google oura ring and Attia
@@Davidkxf we thought you meant Paul Mason is conflicted.
Dr Attia, I'm excited for you to learn more about what we are experiencing in the carnivore community. And we all look forward to large studies. What we are finding is coronary calcification even goes away. Here's one summary video that talks about the general mis-association of LDL and CAC. ua-cam.com/video/wj-SiyoCyDk/v-deo.htmlsi=6T-IG806wvoO7Dv_
Dr Shawn Baker has said many times, that if you can tolerate plants then include them. Clearly some people cant, such as Mikaela Peterson. I also think its clear that some people can thrive after several years of eating only meat.
Mikaela Peterson obviously has emotions mental problems. She should thank god every 5 minutes that her daddy is famous.
2+ years and never been healthier.
this! Thanks for that, that's pretty much the best comment I've read about this issue (I'm familiar with Baker but haven't heard him say that). Everyone's so obsessed with finding THE diet that all humans should eat and then claims theirs is the best one. But we're all different - find what works for you.
Until you start acknowledging what Dave Feldman has going on, I won’t be a paid subscriber to your podcast again.
The carnivore diet is our optimal diet. Its our species specific species appropriate diet. Has been for over 4 mill years as pre humans and humans beings. We have only eaten grains for around 12000 years. Its a drop in the ocean and in no way have we adapted at all to eating any form of carbohydrate. In fact all carbs are non essential. All plant food is non essential. BTW the way calories cannot be consumed, cannot be brought to rest and are mass less. I thought an MD would know this. You cannot eat heat energy. Its physically impossible. Humans only eat Mass, and nothing else. We use chemical energy not heat energy. We are open systems not closed.
What a load of nonsense. Please nobody listen to this person. We're not lions.
This is nonsense. Carbs are essential, especially as a fuel source, and for recovery and brain health. Humans didn’t adapt to fueling with carbs in the last 10,000 years. They had that fueling system long before then, and it was essential then too.
Incorrect, carbs are non essential. Fact
Dunning - Kruger effect all over. Parroting the same language from a dysfunctional unscientific bunch. So warped you think humans are carnivores, like WTF. Watched American werewolf in London too many times and dreamt of turning into a wolf. Carnivore diet will never be taken seriously by scientific community.
Over three months into the carnivore diet with daily intermittent fasting, and the results are life-changing! Here are my numbers:
* Weight: Down 30 pounds
* Blood Pressure: Improved from 139/90 to 123/73
* Glucose Levels: Dropped from 123 mg/dL to 102 mg/dL
* Ketones: Now at 3.0 mmol/L
* GKI (Glucose Ketone Index): 1.8
This combination has truly transformed my health and my life!
The comments prove people are pro Carnivore. Peter should really look into it more seriously. Perhaps he needs to discuss/interview the doctors that promote this. Eric Westman Ken Berry Anthony Chaffee and many many more
ummm no, what it means is that algorithms have brought Carnivore loonies to this page. Just like the algorithms have brainwashed you . Other than that it is pure Dunning - Kruger effect.
I Have been carnivore for several years. I am 71 now. My ldl is 130ish. The dr want me on a statin. I did the risk analysis and decided not to take it. The benefit from the statin was small when compared to the risk. Every one should do their own analysis.
Do a calcium score. CT scan. Make sure your heart arteries are clear.
I'd suggest forget LDL-C. Finally, the medical people are beginning to recognize ApoB, ApoA1, and the ratio as having a much closer association with CVD (and no "U" shape like LDL). Get these tests and see where these three biomarkers are. On Keto, my LDL stayed about where it had been for years, 115-135, but my ApoB/ApoA1 ratio went rock bottom healthiest.
@@johncasper8193 Yeah I did in was not zero but in the teens.
@@rickguymon7702 in the teens, that’s good. My heart doctor told me that just because you have calcium doesn’t mean it’s in the artery. It could be on the outside of the artery, which is not a problem. Only way to know is to have a nuclear stress test.
@@philmartz LDL-ApoB is not causal of disease. Neither is HDL-ApoA1
My understanding is that the biggest risk factor for heart disease is insulin resistance or T2 diabetes, not LDL cholesterol. We base biomarkers of health on blood samples from humans eating modern high carb, plant based diets. The carnivore diet is equivalent to many ancestral diets which were largely or exclusively animal based, i.e. low carb, mostly fatty meat.
Back in the 1930s, Dr Weston Price toured the world studying tribal people eating traditional diets. His study populations included Swiss folk in the Alps, Scottish Hebridean islanders, Inuit, North American Indians, Andeans, Pacific islanders, Australian aborigines, Maori and various African tribes. His research came at a unique time when western civilisations was encroaching, and altering the diets of many of these people. In every case, he found that those who still followed their ancestral diet were robustly built, strong, healthy, cheerful, free of tooth decay, and had properly formed dental arches. Those who had adopted Western foods (refined flours, polished rice, sugar, canned foods) had rampant tooth decay (this was the period before flouride toothpaste!), greater susceptibility to TB, malignancies, arthritis and so forth. If the individuals were subjected to a Western diet from birth, they often also had smaller dental arches resulting in crowded, misshapen teeth and breathing problems. This epic work is documented in his book "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration".
After humans switched from being hunter gatherers to farmers, a significant proportion of the diet swapped from meat to grains and vegetables. This was accompanied by a drop in stature and brain size. Ancient humans thrived on an animal based diet until virtually yesterday on an evolutionary time scale. It is hubris on the part of scientists and doctors to think that they know better than ancestral humans or indeed mother nature.
@@1misago While the transition to agriculture did bring some challenges, it also enabled significant advancements in human society. Modern science continues to build on this knowledge to improve our understanding of nutrition and health.
500 year old Inuit mummies who only are meat and fat have massive Atherosclerotic lesions
@@billdublewhopper3064 and the researchers surmised that environmental conditions such as indoor cooking over fires likely contributed to this.
@Minisquid100 that's funny. I guess no one else BBQs. Lolol. That was a guess. Because eating pure fat is great for the arteries. Lol
@@billdublewhopper3064 is your bbq inside?
A whole lot of equivocating going on! I want to eat in a healthy way, but I've waited 50 years to learn exactly what that is. If I wait for so-called scientific studies to prove the what, how, and why, my great great great grandchildren will be long dead. The best I can do during my lifespan is to reduce a wild assed guess to an educated guess. So far that has been a carnivorish diet.
There is also a metabolic shift in fat cells where they utilize more nutrient energy than needed to make the ATP required for the cells to do their work. In a sense, they waste nutrient energy (fat). And because it is a natural process, the body doesn't defend the fat loss like it does when you cut calories. You might end up eating less, but that's because your body is getting extra calories from stored body fat. How do you not know this?
I just couldn't eat enough. Im 70 kg was eating 2 meals of 500gms each. But I just couldn't get down anymore. On the other hand I had the best stool ive ever had in my life.
Just eat three meals then. Simples.
@HughDWallace 1 kg divided into 3 meals is still 1kg. 😁
@@reximusprime31 Eat 1.5kg then! It is not rocket science 🙄
@HughDWallace hey fellow rocket scientist. I couldn't, it was sickening. The food was just paste in my mouth and could only do a kilo.
Like I said in the first comment. Maybe you need a literacy degree to go with the rocket science one.
@@reximusprime31 You are writing off a dietary approach because you tried it one way (eating two meals of 500g apiece). I am suggesting that you try other approaches. I'm also 70kg & I can't eat 500g of meat in one sitting without feeling sick either. 350g is about my limit and I go from feeling fine one mouthful to slightly nauseous the next. That is called satiety.
Why are you picking two meals of 500g each? Why not three at 333g each? Why not four at 250g? Maybe it is not the quantity but your choice of food; were you eating beef? pork? lamb? fish? eggs? If you were only eating on food type, why? Why two meals a day? Why not 1 or 4? Why 500g at a time? How long have you been trying the diet before you found it too difficult? Were you low carb beforehand or was your body also adapting to zero carb intake? If the latter then no wonder you felt like you couldn't eat enough but that would likely have changed in time.
I can't figure out if you are trying to oversimplify or overcomplicate this approach to diet. The only key thing that matters for most people is don't eat the plants.
It's all about the bloodwork that goes along with the desired weight loss. What does the blood say?
Guyenet is the founder and director of Red Pen Reviews. I don't need more to know.
In this video I felt I was listening to two 1980s individuals who still believe that high LDL causes cardiovascular disease. If a person's LDL rises after going low carb/keto/carnivore and all their metabolic numbers are improving, and their LDL goes up, you don't go and tell them to medicate that LDL downwards. The body is a lot more intelligent than the two gentlemen in this video. The LDL is going up for a reason. That doesn't mean something bad is happening. And why are they calling this dyslipidemia?
This meta-analysis is from 2018. It appears that lowering LDL for people over 100mg/dl remains effective in preventing cardiovascular mortality. pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5933331/
as much as i like to believe what you say is true, we just don´t know what high LDL in people on ketogenic/carnivore diets does long term. Why is that so hard to admit?
There is no data on that, so the best they can do is use already existing data and transfer it to this new context. Could it lead to false conclusions, maybe.
@@guusfraba6221 We have the LMHR trail, one year tracked and many of the participants have been on the diet for 5+ years.
Kudos to you for at least you're saying we don't know instead of being like Peter pretending the science is settled.
@@Morgainz88 i just don´t like being dogmatic about these things. There should be a neutral discussion about these topics, so people can decide for themselves which risk they are willing to take. Keto and carnivore seems to work for many people really well, doesn´t mean its perfect and might have downsides. Same goes for all the other diets.
@@Morgainz88 Remember it’s a couple-year trial for a decades-long disease. Also, most carnivores aren’t LMHRs.
"Tap water is considered not optimal" What? I've listened to many videos by almost EVERY carnivore MD and proponent, I've NOT ONCE heard it said that tap water is "not optimal". Mankind didn't EVOLVE eating significant plant matter Peter, it's NOT species appropriate. "Maybe I'm just biased towards thinking plants are valuable"---YES PETER, THAT'S IT!
yeah what the hell kind of gas lighting was that. never heard anyone in the carnivore space say that. silly
@@bilbobeutlin268 buy a filter, try unfiltered tap water and filtered side by side. you may never go back to tap water again
Appreciate Dr Attia beginning to explore the carnivore diet and not throw it out universally. His logic about treating large elevations in LDL when they occur with individuals on the diet makes sense. At the same time the jury is still out on this in my opinion. Seems pretty clear that there are lean mass hyperesponders who experience an huge elevation in LDL along with a significant drop in triglycerides. Although just one study looked at this and followed the actual progression of coronary plaque in a group of lean mass hypersponders compared to controls in the Miheart Study - the results are noteworthy and need to be repeated at a larger scale. I also believe that is it equally clear you need to measure your levels or you do not KNOW how you are responding. For many there is no big increase or any increase in LDL and in fact there can be significant improvements in overall bllodwork related to cardiovascular risk. So making the assumption that LDL cholesterol levels are an accurate reflection of plaque deposition is not good science - is it? This is far from settled, but whenever I hear anyone - including Dr. Attia - make blanket statements about something like the carnivore diet I lose respect - it is beneath him to do so. In addition, what Paul Salidino does that is called a "carnivore" diet includes copious amounts of fruit and non-fiber carbohydrate. That is a whole different kettle of fish than a true 100% meat, fish, chicken, and egg diet! The scientists that did the work to do the study I referenced above are not charlatans - nor are they suggesting that everyone or anyone should eat a carnivore/ketogenic diet. Dr Attia should recognize this and be willing to admit they "may" be on to something. Neither Nick Norwitz, Dave Feldman or Dominic D'Agostino are fringe whackos making unsubstantiated claims. Dr Attia should have an open discussion with this group as should Layne Norton - who is another person I have tremendous respect for. Walk your talk gentleman and be willing to have an open discussion!
He is so immediately dismissive.. Like he can't grasp how people could even do this.. keeps saying "only lose weight".
Attia's line of thinking is LDL is bad and needs to be lowered as much as possible.
He's in a way self contradictory. In his book Outlive, he describes that certain genetic expressions like the APOE variant play a huge factor why certain people become centenarians despite suboptimal lifestyle choices (like high meat & saturated fat intake, drinking and smoking) and others die early.
Yet, here he makes the blanket statement that high LDL is bad and he uses statins liberally to minimise that risks because randomised control studies focussing on this variable have shown a causal effect.
Some scientists argue cholesterol in itself is not the problem. If it ends up in your arteries it is a symptom of cardiovascular inflammation your body is repairing.
There's also plenty of evidence for excess blood sugar causing inflammation, which may explain why Type 2 diabetes is a huge risk factor in developing cardiovascular disease.
IMO it's foolish to single out a single variable in such a complex system.
I would get a calcium score to actually verify how much plaque has built up before lowering LDL aggressively, especially if your HDL is high and your triglycerides low.
@@opusdei51my husband and I had the same LDL at one point:101. I had a coronary artery scan at 53. Zero plaque on n my coronary arteries. I had a carotid ultrasound at 58. Zero plaque. My husband had a coronary artery scan at 60- 135 with plaque in every artery including the widow maker.
@@opusdei51 amen
You've got this wrong Peter, some brilliant academics support this diet
You say carnivore diet people are religious when they ignore the ldl/hdl markers, but you are yourself being religious by not instead wondering what the mechanism of action is that might elevate such markers and simply reverting to the old thinking that cholesterol will kill these people by heart disease. Why not instead ask a simple question: do we observe a spike in cardiovascular disease in this population or not? Or do we in fact observe a lowering of cv disease risks?
"Maybe I'm just biased towards thinking plants are valuable"
They are valuable.
For the cows.
I think its pretty conclusive from reading most of the comments below how beneficial the carnivore diet is to most people. Ive been carnivore for 3 years and not changing.
ha ha...3 years is nothing. Get back to us in 50 years.
Peter starts out this video with such a negative point of view.. The diet is actually so effective at so many things it is startling.. I have been doing it for a year and losing weight was the least of the amazing benefits of doing the carnivore lifestyle. My calories were typically 70% + fat.. Absolutely the best thing I have ever done in my life.
@@brycefbarnes for me also
Ditto! I’m so satiated
People rarely mention the benefits for mental health and mood regulation. If you suffer from mental illness this diet can be a game changer, literally. These critics always focus on weight loss, sustainability etc when criticising the diet. I wish there was more balance.
Isn't ApoB a surrogate marker? If you are concerned about atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease, why not look for the disease directly? Would you recommend against a carotid intima-media thickness test (CIMT), or a coronary artery calcium (CAC) scan, or a coronary computed tomography angiogram (CCTA)?
Paul Saladino eats carbs. Shawn Baker is basically a carnivore. Makes all the difference. My rule of thumbs, never mix carbs and fat! Have one energy or the other and use them! However, we have the opportunity to eat meat on the daily. High protein is the key!
"one or the other", "never do both carbs and fat". How is this thinking objectively? No, just avoid doing things in excess, try to find the right balance. Anything becomes bad when done in excess...
@@HoobaBros mixing carbs and fat activates the Randle cycle which is harmfull to the mitochondrial mecanism. It' like booze, most can tolerate it but high doses end up wrecking your health, especially with people with already poor metabolism.
That's one of the reasons why carnivore is so successful as a cure to metabollic dseases.
High protein is "the key" only if the main goal is to lose weight. Carnivore works really well when it is high in fat (for hormones, anti inflammation, better fuel for the brain, easier bowels....). Most carnivore Drs recommend at least 75% of fat in total calories intake so a carnivore diet is essentially a high fat diet, contrary to the popular beliefs.
Paul admittedly eats a lot of carbs & sugar - lots of fruits & honey 🍯
These two carry on about high LDL on a carnivore diet and arterial sclerosis - just scan for soft plaque build up over time 🤷♂️
Has that been done and what’s the outcome?
Carnivore is just basically the ultimate elimination diet.
I really like that Dr. Attia is skeptical when talking about this or any diet fad. I went on carnivore a few years ago, and I can say that I lost weight and had some other inflammation go away, but I really bought into the Carnivore Code and all the hype. What I have learned from Dr. Attia, is that there is always positive and negatives with most popular diets, and that different diets work or don't work for different people. Carnivore seems to fit me well as long as I don't overdo calories and total fat content, but I agree that some people can be a bit militant about their diets. There is a reason we evolved as omnivores...
Hmm, really wish doctors would look more at who is funding the study as well as the outcome…
Being a longevity “expert “ one may think the fact that seniors with high cholesterol tend to live longer maybe something to look into…
Why do you have to treat elevated Apo B? Genuine question? Do we have any evidence that it does harm? Or are we still reverting to the old " cholesterol bad" mantra?
I want to know this as well!
There is only weak, associative evidence. Any honest scientist knows that nutritional studies cannot determine 100% causality. Peter Attia subscribes to the old Ancel Keys' lipid hypothesis. It is now widely established that elevated cholesterol in metabolically healthy individuals does not cause heart disease. The cholesterol found in blocked arteries is simply trying to heal the arterial lesions. It's an immune/repair response.
@rodchung173 No. Oh, except for over 300 studies over decades done in millions. So, not really. Nothing to see here.
@@robertusga huh?
@@robertusga But the studies make false claims that apoB is causal. Studies can only show an association. So yes, cholesterol is found in CVD. But what is it doing there? Is it trying to help repair lesions as part of an immune response or is just a nasty molecule (apart from making all hormones, vitamin D, cell membranes, brain and neurological tissue etc).
Why LDL is bad? Do you have RCT to support that?
Science schmience (and I LOVE science). What does 'the science' have to say about carnivore? Next to nothing. And here's the kicker - it's not because the diet doesn't work, but because nutrition science is weak sauce compared to, say, physics or chemistry. Run a physics experiment? You'll get the same result 100 out of 100 times. Lower your dietary cholesterol? Well... 🤷♂️
Let's talk about why nutrition studies are such a mess:
1. They rely heavily on food questionnaires (how many almonds did you eat last year?)
2. Most studies are observational - they can show correlation but not causation (reminder: ice cream sales and drowning deaths are correlated too)
3. The 'healthy user bias' is a statistical nightmare (people who follow dietary guidelines also tend to exercise more, smoke less, etc.)
4. Long-term controlled feeding studies are practically impossible (anyone want to live in a lab for 20 years?)
The real sciences to examine are biochemistry, evolution, and anthropology. Here, it becomes crystal clear that fatty meat is the absolute cornerstone of human nutrition. It has everything a human needs to thrive, and nothing that's deleterious. Fatty meat literally built and fueled our evolution as a species - it's the ultimate "species-appropriate" food for humans. Our massive energy-hungry brains didn't evolve by munching on raw kale.
The carnivore diet is essentially the ultimate elimination diet - everything you need, nothing you don't. While one could debate whether the complete elimination of all plant matter is necessary for everyone (our ancestors certainly ate plants when available), the fundamental principle remains: animal foods are the nutritional foundation that built our species.
Could we use more rigorous studies on the carnivore diet? Absolutely. But waiting for perfect evidence while ignoring the clear signals from evolution, anthropology, and basic biochemistry is like waiting for a meteorologist to tell you it's raining while you're getting soaked in a downpour.
Remember, the absence of modern clinical trials doesn't invalidate millions of years of human evolution. Our ancestors weren't reading nutrition labels or counting macros - they were thriving on a diet centered around animal foods.
Ultimately, the proof is in the (egg) pudding. When a handful of people claim a diet helped them, that's anecdotal evidence that deserves a raised eyebrow. But when thousands upon thousands of people report transformative, life-changing results, often after years of struggling with other approaches... that's a different animal entirely (pun intended). Does this prove that no human should ever eat a single stalk of broccoli? No. But it demonstrates that the carnivore diet deserves to be taken seriously and researched thoroughly as a potentially powerful intervention for improving human health.
We're not just talking about dropping a few pounds here - we're talking about people reversing autoimmune conditions, mental health issues, and chronic diseases that conventional approaches couldn't touch. That's the kind of evidence that shouldn't be dismissed just because it hasn't been double-blind placebo controlled (though good luck figuring out how to make a placebo steak).
Variety greatly reduced? Beef, lamb, deer, elk, rabbit, frog, eggs, salmon, roe/caviar, mackerel, tuna, sardines, oyster, clams, mussels, crab, lobster, chicken, turkey, duck and I'm sure there's more.
Cod liver and venison (not together!), my favourites :)
65 years old, on carnivore for over 11 months now. I wish I have known this diet years earlier!
The LDL theory has been disproven decades ago. Insulin resistance is a much better indicator of potential heart disease as is c reactive protein and gum disease.
What about Dr Chaffee neuro surgeon, Dr Obadia cardiac surgeon , Dr Palmer Psychiatric, Dr Berry MD ? Are they all ideological ?
They are all carnivore advocates.
The fact that you don’t have studies does not mean it is bad.
I wish doctors like you guys were more curious and less biased.
Agree. Attia is so arrogant. Reminds me of some CDC/NIH guys from about 4 years ago.
there are many different doctors advocating for many different things. There are many doctors advocating for a plantbase vegan diet as well. A (doctor) title doesn´t mean much when it comes to the truth.
@@guusfraba6221 the nice thing is to see the physical condition of the doctors who support carnivore... and then to try carnivore and experience the physical and mental change. I wish the 2 doctors, instead of wagging lips, tried carnivore for 2 months and then discussed. This is N=1 science because there will never be big dollars put into a study that doesn't make a single company rich.
What baffles me in this conversation is what seems obvious. Don't we have imaging techniques that can establish your cardiovascular health? Don't we have other lab tests that can give indicators as to whether the carnivore diet is actually a good long term strategy? Would it not make sense to test this stuff yearly, which presumably insurance would pay for, in order to determine the truth? Otherwise it is just sort of guessing, which is frustrating for everyone.
I give up! Eating carbs makes you sick, eating meat makes you sick, eating dairy makes you sick, eating vegetables makes you sick! What the hell am I supposed to eat!?? I also don’t want to have to have a biology/medical/nutrition degree just to eat a damn meal! Can anyone tell I’m frustrated!?
Kinda feel the same way
Eat whole real foods. A big factor in all of this is the chemicals and additives in our foods. Prolonged exposure to additives and chemicals and high amounts of fats and sugars combined (a largely unnatural combination in mother nature) is making us obese and sick when these fake "foods" are not consumed in moderation or eliminated altogether. So eat your veggies, your meat, your dairy that is the least processed as possible if you can tolerate it and you will have won the biggest battle that many of us lose because we think that anything in the grocery store at all is a-okay. Not true. Eat real food. Get rid of made up sh*t. You win.
honestly, eat whole foods and try out what works best for you. don´t obsess over food and don´t listen to information about it all day.
move, move, move, and you can eat whatever you want. these diet restrictions work for lazy fat office workers whose work capacity is zero. burn 3000 cal a day through activity eat whole foods and what you fancy and you better than 99 percent of diet gurus. btw i was on paleo for 3 years tried carnivore, these days i eat 400g of carbs daily because i train hard to improve vo2max and mitochondrial function. as a species we ment to move. diet is the cookie cutter easy solution these days and its mainly money and marketing.
@@googoo7750 well i was training 3-4 times a week, sixpack lean, very muscular and still prediabetic.
My a.m. glucose was running 125 for months while I was low carb on keto. I’ve been mostly carnivore for 2 months and glucose is down to around 110. I an NOT anti-plant but evidently carb intolerant. Maybe at some point I can reintroduce veggies. I’ve been an organic gardener for years and this is a radical change in behavior. Age 82 and I miss my broccoli. ❤
A fasting glucose of 125 is diabetic. If I go to the gym and work out with weights, the elliptical, but finish off with light cardio to burn off any rise in blood sugar from the lifting, my fasting is 80 to 87. With the same low carb food but no exercise, I am 96.
@ I’m aware that I am over the threshold into diabetes territory….and you are not. My point in writing on this forum is it’s a lengthy process to rectify insulin excess at advanced age. If some young person, reads this and avoids the problem, it’s a step in the right direction. My insulin level has NEVER been tested. This is an error in the Medicare system. My doc is unconcerned about the levels saying that diabetes is a slow moving disease. My situation was preventable….Type 2 diabetes is reversible whether my doc knows that or not.
@@deepost2604 I am actually in the diabetic range 200 if I eat certain foods. Both my parents were diabetic and I have the genetics snp for it. I am extremely insulin sensitive. My problem is I don't produce a lot, but not auto immune diabetes, just my genetics. My comment is to encourage exercise, that's all.
@ I clocked 173 minutes yesterday with over 1/2 of it being in the cardio range…plenty exercise. No sugar in this house for 3 years…low glycemic and low carb for years. On berberine and chromium. Frankly doing everything I can to bring glucose down. Thanks for the encouragement. It’s a slog.
Have we ever considered where our starting point should be and how far we have may have potentially moved it? I mean isn't it interesting that no other animals are having to sit around and discuss what their optimal diet is? The only animals that get sick are domesticated ones eating our unnatural food or food that isn't evolutionarily appropriate to them. Why is the rest of the animal kingdom getting by with optimal or near optimal health? Perhaps we are still making it too complicated. Somehow, we've convinced ourselves that these truths of nature don't apply to us. Humans are omnivores, yes. They have the capacity to eat plants and even more so since we cook. However, this doesn't mean that we aren't primarily carnivorous. The ppl in the carnivore community explain a lot of this brilliantly. The proof is in the pudding. If everything humans require can be found in animals but not so in plants then......and then? The truths go on and on like this. Plus you guys really discount all those conflicting studies on LDL. Including at least one or two that had to be dug out of someone's basement because they were "disappointed by the conclusion."
Started carnivore for 3 months and have since gone ketovore for 3 months. Cured my psoriasis.
You need to stop cuddling up to Dayspring and start thinking for yourself.
Attia Is an egotistical narcissist. I can't stand him.
Dayspring is an establishment propagandist, and so is Attia
Hey guys, feel free to show causation between high LDL and heart disease. Anytime now.
Peter, I appreciate you, I’ve read your longevity book. Appreciate a lot of your content & candor about your personal battles. Just think your way off on nutrition. Why wouldn’t you sit down and have a civilized conversation with Paul Saladino or Mark Sisson? It doesn’t have to be strick carnivore, a lot more about quality & focused on the animal products & the correct plant products.
Maybe because Peter is a scientist who goes by hard outcome data from human studies? Saladino and friends not so much. No need for discussions with folks who are not subject matter experts and only have a "all experts are wrong! Big Pharma is out to get you! Buy my (fill in the blanks) instead!" agenda.
Disagree. I’ve thrived eating both keto and then carnivore. I also think they presented without any apparent extreme bias. Notice how neither one demonizes eating carnivore. I really appreciated this content.
@@roseboogie75 Attia started off showing his negative bias quite clearly
@@Minisquid100 and he both professes and owns it. It’s a huge step forward to say that I am biased bc of xyz and here’s what I think. Everyone has a bias and he owned his.
@@Minisquid100 Having doubts is a sign of a good understanding of science, you probably have a strong positive Bias and that's why you react emotionally to him not being positive about. I thought he was quite neutral on the topic and not more critical towards this compared to other strict elimination diets.
PLEASE, please do a full episode on this topic, Dr. Attia!
There are so many conflicting opinions on this topic that, for a layman, it becomes impossible to decide and ultimately ends up in one of the two echo chambers at either end of the spectrum.
When my apoB went sky high on low carb , I adjusted up my resistant carb intake until my apoB went back to my baseline. I found that eating 100 grams of carbs per day was enough to return my apoB to my baseline. Did this 4 years ago. Over time I have increased my carb intake. What I noticed was a greater carb tolerance. My post prandial Blood Glucose spike after eating 60+ grams of carbs was well below the 140 cut off. My fasting blood glucose also dropped to low 90s from 105. What I stay away from any carb that spikes my glucose above 140 . I do think cooling carbs before eating does convert some of the carbs into a resistant starch. So my choice was neither. Adding a medication / drug fix a reaction without first trying a adjustment to diet is a bad idea. Long term effects of drugs are a huge problem with medical practice. Drugs interfere with the biological software in ways that are not understood much better to adjust diet and let the body use the nutrients as needed.
calories have nothing to do with human metabolism, weight gain, or weight loss. calories have no mass.
cool story bro.....eat a couple of ribeyes with lots and lots of butter everyday and get back to me
I'd appreciate the link or more info about the study mentioned, regarding the relationship between carnivore diet and LDL.
Check out Dave Feldman and Nick Norowitz and the LMHR study
Are you worried about cardiac events, I believe hypertension and diabetes are greater risk factors and generally improved on carnivore. Honestly, the focus should be on oxidative phosphorylation vs Warburg effect, deuterium depletion is the key, this was totally ignored.
Dr Attia. The reason carnivore proponents are ok with elevated cholesterol is, I believe, the Minnesota Coronary Study. The idea that people with elevated cholesterol longer in the absence of carbs. I could be wrong. Just a casual observer.
Dr. Saladino has not been strict carnivore or carnivore in general for a couple of years. In his last blood work review his total cholesterol was 222, LDL 151, HDL 53, Triglycerides 89, and APO B 129. If you going to call out someone, find out if anything has changed.
These are good readings.
oh okay, it's really important to research up on all the loonies in the Carnivore community to check up on their unscientific facts. And to see who isn't a werewolf anymore..and who has become omnivore again like Saladino...or something like that. Gotcha
Personal experiences people share is they go on it for a while and reintroduce foods with some success with no return of their problem (even some people who have severe depression/ mood disorders). It’s worthy of considering for some folks.
Nice summary. Missed the opportunity to note that the lean mass hyper responder crowd is addressing the extremely high LDL probable risk. Although only short term data so far, the results are interestingly promising. It is only addressing a very very mall group whom are fit and very lean which would mask or delay the onset of CVS disease. So inherently they will have to wait decades for data to come in that will tell which way this diet tips the balance. But they certainly are not just putting their heads under the sand and hoping for the best.
To state emphatically that you have not educated yourself on something and then to pass judgment on it is the definition of idiocy.
I spent 51 years as an athlete following the same nutritional advice you promote. Even followed you for a while.
I switched to a carnivore diet 3 years ago based on the cutting edge nutritional data available.
It stopped the progression of my atherosclerosis cold. Even with my LDL increasing to 215.
Carnivore made me feel and gain the abilities of someone 20 years younger than me, boosted my energy, improved my IQ score and a host of other benefits.
But because there is no double blind studies on Carnivore so I and all my lab reports must be delusional.
Crazy to watch two men who call themselves doctors and who believe in science, sit around and have a confirmation bias chat based on hear say and guesses. So sad.
This is dry! Get up to date. Lots of old info here. Sorry, but try to stay current. This is a rapidly evolving field. You are going to have to work alittle harder....
Processed food are bad, plant foods have their predicaments, and animal foods are universally low inflammatory, metabolically sound, and nutrient dense.
An animal based or carnivore diet makes sense coming from someone who isn’t in the “cult” or eats those ways.
Being ketovore has been brilliant for my arthritis
11:59 it’s funny to hear him say that people are defensive on the things they believe while also dismissing the idea that LDL might not be a bit as bad as it’s made out to be in people with healthy functioning metabolism
Exactly!!! They are so dismissive. It is hilarious to listen to them both dismiss and mock it over and over
@SteakandChains what is funny is that folks like you make it sound as if there is outcome data from long-running studies showing that "metabolically healthy" is protective against long-term high ApoB. Please, humor us and share the pubmed id's of this hard outcome data that nullifies the hundreds of studies over decades, all showing that long-term high ApoB is causal in CVD.
Bingo. Only oxidized LDL is atherogenic, not native. The protective nature of "large and fluffy" LDL, and the problematic nature of small, dense LDL is because the latter is far more susceptible to oxidation. This is also why VLDL is problematic, i.e., it is especially prone to oxidation.
@JasonActualization hilarious how the carni clowns keep spouting nonsense with 0 outcome data to back up their "LDL is a myth!" gibberish.
@JasonActualization and oxidation and glycation is due to high blood glucose/hyperinsulinemia which is from red meat eating SAD diet, not a carnivore diet.
The higher the LDL, the longer you live according to every longevity survey lol
Paul Salidino ISN’T a carnivore. He eats honey and fruit. He WAS a carnivore.
when you watch that video, you are left with the general notion that high LDL is directly and singularly related to CVD, is that true though ? what about the two types of LDL ? what about the level og TG or HDL ? Theres something not very convincing about this video if you also consider the fact that they talk about "treating" high LDL, meaning medication.. hmm
They went to the same medical school. How's that working out for us??
Of course it's not otherwise nobody would have heart disease anymore.
One group of people who goes on the carnivore diet have IBS. Chronic diarrhea can lead do a plethora of severe deficiency problems. As a starting point for a elimination diet its really efficient.
Yes many people with gut issues report relief from a carnivore or keto diet. That increased quality of life is valuable and should be studied!
Have a look at low carb down under, for lots of good feedback on this
Once again Attia waffles on about something he "hasn't really considered". Adds no science or references and makes sweeping statements that are just wrong.
He is a charlatan when talking about diets and this one in particular.
He hasn't even done a N=1 and tried it himself. He really is a joke at this point.