Ah, what an interesting analogy you've presented! It's almost poetic. But let's tweak it a bit, shall we? Imagine if someone were trying to stop a person from walking into a burning building, but the person insists on going in anyway. Out of respect for their choice, they let them go. You see, in this scenario, God is the source of all goodness. By rejecting Him, you're also rejecting all the good things He offers, leaving yourself open to all the negative aspects that come with a world without Him. So, respecting your choice, He sends you to a place devoid of His goodness-what some might call hell. It's not about punishment, but about honoring your decision to live without His presence. Quite considerate, don't you think?
@Lvisredalin bullshit The person isn't sending the other person into the burning building nor did they create everything having foreknowledge how everything would happen according to their design.
I used to think I had a relationship with God. It was my primary motivation, and was a source of comfort, yet I eventually had to admit to myself that it was entirely one-sided. I gave my time, tithe, free labor via several ministries, prayer, Bible study, my career goals, evangelism, etc. In exchange, God...umm? He was invisible, inaudible, didn't respond to anything, didn't do anything that couldn't be mistaken for random chance. I couldn't keep up the charade anymore. Either God didn't care or he didn't exist, and both possibilities were essentially the same thing from my perspective.
Former Conservative Evangelical Christian, Bible College student and Bible teacher for many years. I can relate to most of what you said. It took me a while. But I do find that life is so much better; without all that b.s. that I was indoctrinated and groomed into from early childhood. Thanks for sharing!
I had an ant farm when I was a child and I woke up one Valentine’s Day and they had carved a tunnel in the shape of a heart. So I said “I love you too, ants”
@daheikkinen that's nice and all, but you didn't create the ants and you also aren't omnipotent. You cannot talk to them but your parents could talk to you when you were growing up. and an omnipotent being can have the ability to communicate with an ant
@@celinelia8127 which simply highlights some of the biggest points in the video: The fact that theists are assuming (if someone had irrefutable evidence for it, it would be fact, not assumption) that the thing they have never seen nor can fully comprehend is omnipotent, cares about having a relationship with them, and that the difference between a being that knows the placement of every atom and its current configuration is far greater than us and ants. Darkmatter2525 hits it out of the park every time!
I woke up one day where pests worshipped me as they ate the donuts I fell asleep on. I screamed and flung myself out of bed while slapping myself. I ran straight into the shower and eventually threw my bed away.
"Behind my house are miles and miles of grassland. I once went to a spot I can't even see from my house. There I noticed an Anthill. Somewhere in there, underground, was an Ant, infinite smaller and less powerful than me. I want to have a relationship with it. I want it to be amazed by me, even if it will never understand or even see all of me. And if it says no I will crush it. Also if they could kill each other over disagreements of my personality, that would be great." -The Smartest Person that ever existed or will exist
Comments like these really make everything so clear. In almost any example of God's specific behavior or overall desire, you can put the same actions on a human, or other non-god being, and suddenly the example INSTANTLY turns not just imperfect, but actively horrific. I've seen dozens of these, made a few myself. And the worst part is, your analogy is a softball. The "smartest person ever" doesn't just crush the ants anymore, he got tired of that. Now he sets them on fire and actively intercedes to make sure they survive and feel it for as long as possible, all because they were SO HORRIBLE to him for the crime of going about their normal lives without bending them around him and his whims. And that is STILL a softball, because at least this human can show the ants he exists by physically interacting with them. God refuses even to do _that_ much, preferring to behave identically to the type of god that doesn't actually exist and never did. Strange, that.
You're not mechanistically connected to the ant, anthill or grasslands. You put yourself in a place with limited comprehension/awareness as you are also apart of the same system. Ignorance is only a factor of time and as more work is done to eradicate it, you become aware. And even then you're limited to Time's linear advance and space's infinite expansion. God is not human nor human looking in the way that water is not the shape of the container it rests in. To impose such a limit is silly.
thank you for creating a thorough and more palatable version of what i tell people- "an entity who breathed neutron stars & nebula into existence probably doesn't care if you masturbate or not".
In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.
@@Juliet_Capulet The guy who created the computer created it to make life easier to calculate, do office work etc Humans also use it for watching POORn, stealing and all kinds of abomination. God created humans with free will so they are free to choose right or wrong (sin) , unfortunately they choose wrong far too often, So Jesus paid the penalty/fine on the Cross so either you pay for your sins in hell or believe in Jesus who paid it for you. Ecclesiastes-7:29 Truly, this only I have found: That God made man upright, But they have sought out many schemes.”
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 And God created us to choose sin, unless we created ourselves to choose sin. Either God created everything, or God didn't create everything. If God created us, and we are so awful and weak, it isn't because we created ourselves that way or some other entity created us that way. It's because God created us that way. God created us to behave a certain way, and punishes us for behaving in exactly that way.
The idea of a personal relationship with God is probably one of the first things that made me realize christians were confused about their own inner thoughts
Theists are not having a relationship with their god, except in the case that their god lives in their minds. And there really is no point to doing this.
There's also the massive cosmic irony that his so-called "personal relationship" has God never directly speak to or address them to the point of using mediators. Not sure how a relationship could be less personal than that.
Believers don't have thoughts, they have desires. "I want for there to be a god and an afterlife, therefore there is a god and an afterlife." No thinking going on there.
@@scottmoore7588 yeah right. I imagined God saved me and I became a born again believer and saw many things over the years to compel me to keep going by Faith that God gives me and everyone else. So I imagined all of it because you say so.
18:57 ... and the follow-up is just as good: " *We* need you, *we* want you. [...] We are not the greatest, so we can always be greater, and we need you to help us get there."
Imagine the arrogance one needs to have to seriously believe they could have a personal relationship with an all-knowing all-powerful being that created time and space.
@LadyZewe The big dealbreaker for me was knowing that my longing would proceed the reality that know matter what I wanted, it still wasn't true, and thus would be a false relationship. It would ultimately all be a fabrication. It reminds me too much of a relationship involving someone that pretends to care.
My mother told me that she prayed really hard to God because she couldn't take a shit. Throughout the day I kept thinking what it would be like to be God. What would it be like to be an all knowing cosmic being having to listen to a puny human crying out to me because she couldn't take a shit. A woman who lives in a first world nation, with healthcare and a means to procure the necessary items to remedy her problem crying out to me to help her take a shit. All I could think was "Holy Shit" it would suck to be God. 💩🙏
@@gabrielsanders7292 You christians are so arrogant you actually believe that the two most powerful beings in the universe do nothing but constantly fight over you. Anyway, have you even watched the video?
As huge as the universe is, we are taught to believe that an entity who directs all of the universe is aware of - and offended by - the thoughts of what I might want to do involving my genitals with another person's genitals. That's just weird.
Definitely weird. And if you say the magic words in front of a priest, sign the special certificate, and give the proper fee , then suddenly God doesn't care what you do together. And any female complaints don't concern him either .
This is the Sam Harris argument. To add on that, this particular god also only cares for the sexual activities of this one particular descendant of homosapien, despite having millions of millions of species in this insignificant planet, within an insignificant solar system, within an insignificant galaxy.... Such hubris and ignorance.
@@FoursWithin Ah, but only if that other person is approved by that God, per someone's interpretation of the texts. If you're the same sex, only a few religions or sects of those religions will permit it. If you're opposite both never-married, and above some age, and have approval of your family, you're good almost everywhere. If he's got other wives, you might be good or maybe not, depending on what religion. If she's got other husbands, you're probably not okay, except in the few places that permit polygyny. You might not be okay if you've been married before. Generally, you are if the State has divorced you or your spouse died, or if you're in a place and religion that permit polygamous marriages, or if some people on the inside of the religion have declared the prior marriage to have never taken place - for a fee. Oddly, few of these texts have a minimum age to permit marriage, and the ones that do have it ludicrously low - like 9. Most permit it at any age - from birth on, and some permit formal religious betrothals between children or between children and adults. It doesn't matter what people want, so long as their families want it. Isn't just allowing it when the people who are of an age and station wherein they're allowed to enter into contracts a lot simpler?
@@rudra62 Right, So much weirdness. Almost every culture and society has had specific rules around sexual relationships Though they're often conflicting in one way or another. Even the rules that make the most sense, such as no incest aren't universal. Take ancient Egypt for example. The royalty had to marry close relatives. Sibling marriage was the rule for the elites. 👀 And the age of consent definitely reflects the idea that most females had few rights. T he age of consentfor most of the world Including the USA until about 100 years ago was around age 10. And that's really not that long ago considering there are a few people from that time still kicking around today.
Funnily enough, that has nothing to do with the Dunning-Kruger effect at all. Dunning Kruger effect is about less skilled people overestimating their skill while more skilled people overestimate everyone else's skill. Despite that, the researchers did record that less skilled people on average do know they're less skilled, and more skilled people do know they're more skilled.
@@MimOzanTamamogullar maybe you have never experienced being a Christian and firmly believing to be in a relationship with God, which is a ridicolous stay of mind. Like, I really believed a God, omniscient and omnipotent had me in his mind, and that I understood some things he wanted from me. IT was reflecting about how big the universe is, that started to subconsciously tear down that stupid construction I made up. I used to think, how could people think they can escape such a being by pretending it's not real, or what would be the point of living a life of sin if the omnipotent built an omnipotent level hellish place for them? Like I thought that everyone knew God existed and either choose to obey or not. But size comparing things, from the small to the big, I started thinking about how such a God that big would use the most pathetic ways of communication instead of clearly and actively be present. Magical power be so scarce as if it doesn't exist. Divine intervention being so small as if it never happened. Even if you believe in any version of theism, how come, it's everything related to the deities so small, scarce, faint, slow, ephimeral and hidden? Coincidence? NO. Simply I finally realized I wasn't a believer, then I started researching what should be believed to be a Christian and promptly I figured I had not a single good reason to believe, while a universe sized amount of things to believe it's NOT REAL. So, there was a lot of me, thinking I was smarter and more enlightened than non Christians.
Even without trying to comprehend everything you laid out here, the thing that helped get me out was realizing how egotistical it was to think that such a being would have personally and individually planned out things in my life and would listen if I asked for something. I love this channel. So glad I found it recently. Thanks for everything, keep up the good work.
I felt the same way about this. Considering the idea of a perfect utopian standard that makes you feel like you deserve the most horrible fate in the afterlife, it's said that your creator loves you is very disheartening. Almost like Stockholm syndrome covered up.
Psalms 8:1-9 O LORD our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens. Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger. When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained; What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet: All sheep and oxen, yea, and the beasts of the field; The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas. O LORD our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! Our God cares for us because he made us in His image and for his glory.
A flower isn't beautiful because it lasts forever. Mortality is very scary... but its also what gives our life meaning. Its a catalyst of all we've accomplished.
This sounds so condescending. It's a secular humanist wink that all your life is a cosmic lie so we just become hedonists and enjoy life. Well, that's fine and good in a society with constant access to supermarkets and hotel chains, but take all that shit away and what do you have? A smug bastard whistling in darkness.
This is the big thing I don't understand about religious people. I don't understand the argument from beauty, that things being beautiful points to God existing and that they are beautiful because he created them. To me, it diminishes the idea of beauty. Beauty holds value because it's emergent and fragile. If everything beautiful was destined to be beautiful because a perfect God made it and he made you to find it beautiful, it's no different to a calculator being able to multiply large numbers instantly. It's not impressive that it does that -- it's supposed to and designed to.
Now, imagine a person whose sole ambition is to be King of the Ants, who seethes with eternal rage at ants for failing to worship him or obey a set of rules he's given them about certain ways they're not allowed to wave their antennae, and wants to torture them for eternity for their "rebellion." Would you respect this person, or consider them wise and benevolent?
I can just imagine a crazed lunatic running around a garden with a flame thrower screaming "I am the king of the ants!" 😂😂 That really puts it onto perspective...
I can just imagine a crazed lunatic running around a garden with a flame thrower screaming "I am the king of the ants!" 😂😂 That really puts it onto perspective.
I enjoy this quote by a very smart man! “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” ― Epicurus
If God did stop evil, then the true evil will be our over population in this planet of finite resources. Strangling all life. Evil is no accident or coincidence.
Either you trust in God, or you don't. Either way, nature is just. Have confidence in the ecosystem. As brutal as the wild can be, nature balances everything. It may seem unfair when ur being ripped apart by a praying mantis. A few lifetimes in a row. However, with enough patience the cold side of the pillow will always be waiting.
I have thought about this or a long time; "Why would an omnipotent being who knows everything and can do anything want anything to do with me?" Your video sums up those thoughts perfectly!
There is one thing I would like to add, the Gods invented were always human or human-like in the same way we assumed aliens would be human or human-like. This is true across many cultures the God of the bible supposedly made humanity in his image: Zeus from Greek mythology is depicted as a muscular man throwing lightning bolts, Odin from Norse mythology is depicted as an old man who is sometimes missing an eye, Anubis from ancient Egyptian mythology is depicted as a human body with a jackal head, Ganesh from Hinduism is depicted as a human body with an elephant head and extra arms briefly portrayed by Homer Simpson.
Even the conceptual philosophical omnipotent omnipresent omniscient God, creator of universes, this thing, it's very human. All these concepts are totally human constructs. Our visualizations of omnipotence for instance will lead towards what humans can imagine, and even with our own thoughts we debunk perfectly every version of God attached to all these concepts.
It’s baffling that many of the gods that we made up just so happen to have traits only of phenomenon we can personally perceive, such as humanoids, half human half animal, or humanoids wielding weapons or armor. Almost like we made them up in terms only we can understand.
Because thouse are Polytheistic gods, they are so different from the Abrahamic Monotheist God that using the same word 'God' to describe them is as inaccurate as using the word "mascot" to refere to both Tony the Tiger and Jesus. Polytheistic gods represent achetypes of human nature and culture their human like nature is the point.
In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.
I'm so glad I found your videos. They are a great inspiration & a comfort to me as I deconstruct over 40 years of false beliefs and Faith, but people like you make me have a new faith in the goodness of people I was never allowed to believe in before. You are very wise and talented and a gift to us all. And I love the sound of your voice. Lol.
Artfully done. I’ve been a fellow human having a distant one-way relationship with you for at least a decade and want to give back. Thank you so very much my distant friend.
Why would 'God', a perfect being, a complete being, create ANYTHING? Was it bored? Was it lacking something? Did it want to show off, to whom? Was it lonely? Any of these reasons and God is neither perfect nor complete. The fact that things exist at all prove there is no perfect, complete being that created them. If there was a being powerful enough to create everything, it would have done so to satisfy some MASSIVE deficiency. In which case, you wouldn't want to be in a relationship with it and it certainly would find no benefit in you.
It could be necessity. That is, a being that is perfect HAS TO create something other than itself, because the role of being a creator is what it means to be perfect. But of course, the counterpoint to that would be that if such a being is compelled to create by its own nature, it isn't truly sovereign and thus isn't perfect for that reason. But "perfect" in the most general sense doesn't even make sense. Perfect for what? Perfect at what? You can't just say "everything;" a perfect kitchen knife is extremely sharp, but a perfect pool noodle is not sharp at all, so it's impossible for anything to be both a perfect kitchen knife and perfect pool noodle simultaneously.
I asked this question to many god folk, and they say that God did it for his glory. So when they start suffering, I say, "It's all for God's glory." Just so they can hear their own stupidity being repeated to them.
It's a free, unnecessary, uncompelled act of God's love to create us. God is infinitely free and under no compulsions. It seems God "thought" that it would be neat to create creatures to ultimately partake in His being. It's an act of omnipotence and omnibenevolence. On a lesser scale you can decide to give a good quality bottle of wine to your neighbour for no particular reason other than you think it would be a nice thing to do. I don't think "for His glory "which is an often-given answer, is the primary purpose. The creatures cannot be perfect because only God is perfect and for God to create perfect creatures in His image then He would only be creating Himself which He cannot do. God is uncreated, so creating a perfect being would be logically impossible since part of the perfection is the characteristic of being uncreated. You'd think that creating an imperfect being would render God imperfect (and therefore non-existent) in some way. I don't know if anyone has managed to break through this impasse. I personally think the current logic here is by no means fatal and just breaks down... If a God exists, then I think your conjectures (which, as you say, render God non-existent) as to what sort of a god it and/or its motives might be, can be answered to some extent along these lines... Why would a perfect God do something unnecessary? Simply for the love of it, simply for the omnibenevolent generosity of it.
@@themanwhowasthursday5616just read the Bible and you’ll realize that god is not perfect. It regrets, it gets angry, it gets jealous, it kills and demands to kill, it judges, it changes it’s mind etc.. a perfect being wouldn’t have these traits at all.
Don't worry what gods want. Be a good person. If gods are real and good, they can reward you for being good. If gods are real and are evil, you don't want to be with them If gods aren't real, at least you were a good person.
And why should you be a good person? Because good people prefer to be surrounded by other good people. Why? Because they are more likely to do good to each other. If you like to see more people doing good to YOU and the others. You should prioritize to surround yourself with good people by becoming a good person yourself. In conclusion, being a good person is actually doing good to yourself. Vice Versa.
"Lol, those primitive indigenous people worship the Sun!" "Dude, the Sun at least visibly exists." Edit: I'm getting famous here so it's time to thank my sponsor Raid: Shadow Legends.
@@Paolo-ec2si You mean like believers are respectful to me when they misgender me and tell me that their god hates me and ill burn in eternal hellfire for my sin of loving?
Feel like a lot of people missed the point immediately... It's not about how "stupid" it is that these people believe in a God of any kind, it's about how that cannot even truthfully be a good idea in the first place. A being of such scale that it created the UNIVERSE, would have to be so big that if it's even possible for something like that to have a will, it's will would not even treat us with anything more than a slight twitch of the eye at our emergence and ending, if even that. Enough of that "hurr durr, they believe in a sky daddy, it's an imaginary friend!"... Have a brain, please. It's an old line.
Yes, it's such a well-made video and ends with a beautiful message. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one bothered by some people's takeaway. Old habits die hard I guess.
There is an inherent problem with this analysis, however. It actually rests on the contradiction that you can comprehend an incomprehensible being. The basic form of this argument is "I understand that the nature of a being beyond understanding is such that I can predict that it wouldn't do this thing." It is therefore a self-defeating and horrendous argument to make. I myself am an atheist, but I think atheism is plagued by people who don't really have a sincere philosophical issue with religion and are instead just degenerates who want God to not exist for some emotional reason (such as wanting to feel smarter than the majority of humanity, or because they want to do things religion proscribes).
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@@sigiligus it is incoherent to even assert that an incomprehensible being can exist. the flaw is in the assertion not its negation. so much for YOUR analysis.
To build on this, we don't concern ourselves with the rights of the many different species of microbes that live within our bodies, even the ones that evolved complex symbiotic relationships with us. And if we do - it is never on an individual scale because bacteria average only 12 hours of life. Half a day, half of one unit of time, that us humans on average will experence 28,835 of! As a species we still run complete extermination campaigns of these "foreign" microbes, erasing ones that could be really beneficial in the name of sanitation or health. If whatever made the universe is consious (hubris to say it would even be a state of being we could relate to in a single word, if any at all), it would view us as even less significant than we do to microbes. Hell, it might see us as the foreign bodies contaminating its world. Though that's again anthropomorphisizing what is not even fathomable.
LOL, then 600 years later in Mecca, an Ant warlard & merchant came across an Ant Angel in a cave that transcribed the Ant-uran to a supposedly illiterate Ant warlord-merchant.
@@mdjwbd i suppose. ive found myself giving into self-destructive forms of comfort since ive stopped praying. i use gaming, youtube, memes, porn and snacks to numb the pain. believers would probably see this sinful, but it is a loss of self control. ive become more easily controlled by my emotions. i need to start meditating and finding inner peace. so you are right in a sense, but i've spent such a long time alone trying to find someone who wasnt there. spending time alone with my own thoughts disturbs me. part of me thinks i am wasting my precious time and i look back at missed opportunities in my life. ive put off so many life experiences thinking ill live forever anyway and i should focus on more important things. i suppose ive been "praying" to my higher self this whole time. and since ive stopped believing and allowed myself to hate the "God of the Bible", i've incorrectly hated my higher self which i thought was God. i dunno of im making any sense.
@@mdjwbd one thing ive struggled my entire life is finding balance. ive always looked for a all-solving ideology to follow. bouncing from extreme to extreme. in the past i had too much prayer now i have none. perhaps moderation in meditation as in all things is ideal.
@@notanonymous3976healing takes time If you feel your behavior right now is bad,then it's just you bleeding. Eventually you should manage to stop the bleeding and heal
@@notanonymous3976how about an anostic philosophy I tough of to help others to thrive for balance: Let's say we don't know what happens after death. But what we know for Sure is that it ends this life. Afterlife or reincarnation or nothingness,it ends this life forever and we can never come back to it. So the best is to savour this life for as long as possible while as great as possible. Find that sweet balance between fun and longevity in life. And while we are at it, let's also help others in finding and maintaining said balance so they too can have a longjoyful life
That all makes perfect sense. The problem is that a religious person will acknowledge all of that and still reply " Yes, but amazingly, wonderfully, he does have a relationship with us!" 😬
@@freshrockpapa-e7799 I imagine the commenter is bothered by the bad logic and endless excuses of theistic propaganda. Which is especially problematic when it's coupled with evangelical fanaticism. Freedom coupled with bad logic often has a negative consequence.
@@freshrockpapa-e7799 While many things in our surroundings are best ignored in order to get on with daily life , somethings can be detrimental if ignored for too long. Bad logic, poor reasoning, and excessive excuses for not facing the issues at hand fall into the latter category.
Christians: God sacrificed his son for you Me: I didn't ask him to Christians: But he died for your sins so that you could get redemption. Humans are sinners Me: I didn't ask God to make me a sinner either. Wasn't him who created me, like all humans?
Christians: God sacrificed his son for you. Me: Meaning...what? Christians: Now you won't burn in hell if you accept Jesus! Me: So everyone that lived before Jesus was born is currently burning in hell? Christians: Not if they believed in God. Me: So if I accept Jesus, that means I won't burn in hell no matter what? Christians: No, you have to avoid sin. Me: Didn't Jesus cancel out the sin? Christians: You still have to follow God's laws. Me: Gods laws included not worshiping other gods, doesn't accepting Jesus break that law? Christians: Jesus is God's son! Me: Doesn't this just make the whole not burning in hell more complicated by adding an extra unnecessary step? What exactly did the sacrifice accomplish again? Christians: Just do what we tell you or we'll burn you as a heretic!!! Me: Ahhh, gotcha.
@@meh2510 So christians PLAYING the opposite of Evil are actually the antichrist messing around for 2000 years ? it actually made a 360 degree turn with christians thinking sinning is O.K. because it can be for given but, simply being skeptical is the trip to hell is foolish but not so at all. the true God wants us to grow and get our act together and remember to be care full with out destroying the planet we live on . one strange thing is nothing ever adds up even with Science we still are far from relavent rational logic..how do we prove billions of galaxy's are out in about by micro skopes and machines that risk running the Van allen belt still today. For all science knows is the far off swarms of lights could be sparkling water droplets. 🤗🤫
according to the bible he tried once to flush us all down, and everything went, except for a single floater... that kind of is how the ancient people thought god had a personal relationship with his people...
the Gilgamesj-epos, when I look it up they call it the oldest known work of fiction... I'd say if there was 'more' to it it's that imagination predates divine inspiration by many centuries.
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@@marcdc6809 I mean that the Gilgamesh flood story has more to it. It's a longer story, and better. For starters, the reason for the flood in Gilgamesh is that the humans were making too much noise. That's fg hilarious.
Pareidolia is very often confused with apophenia. Pareidolia is a visual phenomenon. It's when your eyes see images in the randomness. Apophenia is more of a psychological phenomenon. It's when people connect things and find patterns in random events. Apophenia is often cited as the source of conspiracy theories.
@@Jay-ate-a-bug Or meth? You mean it's the source of conspiracy theories? Well, apophenia is often associated with mental illness. I guess that goes hand in hand with addiction.
@@PeteOtton Sometimes but I think it's probably rare. I remember seeing some creationist depictions of dinosaurs that were supposedly made by people. Some of them were just weird monsters but a few of them were just the natural contours of a rock face that sorta kinda look like a dinosaur if you squint and have an active imagination. We can all do pareidolia but not everyone can do apophenia.
@@PaulTheSkeptic I suppose I could have clarified my comment better. "Apophenia is often cited as the source of conspiracy theories." Or Meth...or Drugs, or Mental Illness, or blind devotion, or Joe Rogan Podcasts, etc. etc.
@@bactrosaurus That makes no sense. Do we all come back and have great parties? Do we go off to some other dimension, which would be of interest to some physicists. Do we become one with the universe, oops sorry that's Buddhism.
Ah. but your purpose in life to make charle.. ahem, .servants of God happy and full of money! Ah, look at those fine clothes and sparkling grins. You just know if you follow them you will get good health and then spend eternity with a being outside of time and space. Just like an imaginary friend! Oh...wait.
DarkMatter2525, you have so many great videos that I think they can't possibly get any better. But you've truly outdone yourself. Thank you for all you do to make this world a more civilized and reasonable one. Much gratitude from Canada.
This reminds me of a conversation I had with a street preacher only a few weeks ago. I asked the guy who he loved more, his daughter or God. Without a moments hesitation he answered that he loved God a billion times more than he loved his own child because God was a billion times more powerful and a billion times bigger. The thing is his six year old daughter was standing right beside him listening to everything he said. She heard him say that he loved God most of all.
@@FireyDeath4 How can a six year old, or anyone of any age, love an invisible man in the sky who allows your kitten to be run over by a car? It seems more than a little creepy to me.
Christians are literally afraid to admit they love their spouse or child more than the god who they've never seen or heard even once. The dialogue that they DO claim to have with this god (through prayer and the Bible) is 100% dependant upon them trying to interpret their own abstract emotional sensations and feelings to decide exactly what this god is or isn't saying back to them. Unsurprisingly that response will ALWAYS conveniently reinforce whatever their pre-existing religious biases would prime them to assume this deity would expect of them.That's why believers in different religions from all over the world don't all get the same Judeo/Christian-reinforcing responses back when they pray, because when THEY think they are talking to "god" their interpretations of the deafening silence on the other end of the line will always just so happen to reinforce whatever divine response their own dogmatic biases (that are often completely at odds with those of Abrahamic religions) would prime them anticipate from their god in any given scenario. But one has to wonder how Christians could possibly tell us all these very specific details and flowery platitudes about the nature and priorities of this god because they will also claim that "Yahweh's ways are higher than ours so he can't be comprehended by human minds" whenever they find it convenient, which is to say it's exclusively recited as a form of damage control whenever someone scrutinizes any of the countless examples of mutually exclusive logic, factual errors, or contradictions found all throughout the Bible. These sorts of objective criticisms prompt the fundamentalist Judeo/Christian believers to selectively remember this passage only so they can temporarily invoke it as an emergency conversation stopper in lieu of actually having to unpack these problematic areas of their dogma themselves until they can return again to the safety of their uncritical echo chamber of flowery platitudes where they will promptly forget about their selectively invoked "uncomprehendable god" narrative once they've returned to their usual life of lecturing everyone about all these very specific characteristics and desires of as well as countless specific details about this god who was supposed to be unknowable and uncomprehendable to human minds, but not only do they know a bunch of unknowable trivia about him, they actually claim to have a deep, personal, loving relationship with this completely silent and undetectable deity which supposedly greatly surpasses the love they share with their spouse or children. I think if they could actually be honest about things they would have to admit they are just afraid to admit that they could ever love their family as much as this blood magic deity because there isn't a subtle possibility that their family might possibly torture them for eternity for not putting them as their #1 love interest.
Leaving aside the exposure the Trump Presidency & the pandemic gave to the less savory sorts who follow these teachings, the fact that a lot of behavioral quirks & personality traits associated with ideological zealotry are associated with mental illness in pretty much any other context also played a part in me leaving
"I can makes something sound ridiculous by using a bland common-as-mud simile, therefore the out-group is dumb and the in-group is humble and smart!" Looks like I did what you had just done.
A lot worse, actually. So many rules and regulations that don't coincide with the best interests of most people. If anything, a masochistic , egotistical imaginary friend.
I love your content too! So cool to see us flocking to the same people. Found u thru Prophet of Zod & another podcast AWATF, I think. Keep up the good work.
I had relationships with mice, they only live about two years, it was hard to watch my most special one named Unique die. Time felt so unfair that day.
bro I love your videos I grew up watching them. ever since I was 15, my whole life I've lived in a very legalistic home with cruel parents who put religion over school, mental health, or their relationship with me. It made me realize that nobody has it figured out, everyone is just desperately looking for a coping mechanism for death, Also Christians are some of the most self-centered egotistical and arrogant people I have ever known and have made it their goal to make me feel guilty for existing or feel like a piece of shit for wanting to enjoy my life and not be bound by meaningless restrictions that limit my experiences in this short life span I have to live. Thank you, dark matter, for making these videos they have helped me better understand reality and see it in new perspectives and I'm so grateful for that.
No loving Father would say his children are born unworthy. That's a horrible unloving Father. These days Fathers (Mothers and guardians) look forward to being with their children. So too are children now not in fear of their Father's return! Gone are those outdated beliefs of the 50's 60's 70's and long before that. We worked out that fearing our Father and believing we are unworthy from those abusive Fathers, is outdated and wrong. They were mistaken.
I was telling this exact argument with this exact analogy to my religious friends a few weeks ago: "If a God does not exists, Atheists are right and religious people are wrong, if a God DOES exist, Atheists are wrong and religious people are wrong, because any being complex enough to create this vast universe will be so advanced that not even the brightest human mind will ever be able to comprehend, the difference between our brain and the brain of such a God would be like the difference between our brain and that of an ant, no matter how hard an ant tries, it'll never be able to understand what that computer is, it may have theories, such as a large hot glowing rock, but any theories it has, are by definition wrong, simply because it's an ant."
Do we need full understanding to have a relationship with someone? I think it's the quality of information and not the quantity that's vital when it comes to relationships. Quality information such as how someone relates to us, and how to communicate with them. We know how God relates to us He is beyond us, our creator, and the creator of everything. Moreover, we know how to communicate with God be it through prayer, the sacraments, and worship. Though instead of verbal communication as symbols, it's an emotional expression that dwells in the spiritual. The point is you don't need full understanding to have a relationship with someone, you just need the necessary information.
the irony is in the fact, that you couldn't explain it like that if god would be like you imagined you outplayed yourself if you understand what I mean
@@theintelligentmilkjug944To have a relationship with someone, you need to have two-way communication with them. Yet no god ever answers anyone, ever. You don't have a relationship with god if god doesn't talk back to you.
@@Multi_Purpose_Weirdo I disagree, God communicates with us using our subconscious emotions as symbols. In other words the Holy Spirit steers something up inside of us, and we comprehend God's meaning of that moment.
@@theintelligentmilkjug944 How can you distinguish that from your own feelings and imagination? Pretty sure you can't, but if you',re right you just have to show me that it's true and not entirely based on wishful thinking and confirmation bias.
Thanks you Darkmatter. I've finally abandoned my faith. I was brought up in a very over-religious home where they believed they were the chosen few among the Christians and they were the ones going to heaven and the other Christians(catholic,baptist church,all other denominations except the Billy Graham one which I don't really know the name correct me if I'm wrong) taught lies. I was really traumatised with the idea of hell and the afterlife.I was so so scared. I won't lie and say it just vanished but it is diminishing. I was afraid if I didn't believe in Jesus I'd be burnt or sent to a cold hell forever. I even lied to myself and others by telling them hell isn't a fiery place rather just a world where one is alone with his own inner torment due to his sins which again looking back at it is just as bad as the fiery hell. It was just a cope tbh and it just led me into deeper despair. I really really wish I didn't know any of this and just lived a life without religious indoctrination. Thanks for listening. (About my account; I ran a biblical channel for Christians, well mostly for money 😂but yeah I'm not really a Christian myself now. I've struggled with it long enough it's time to give it up)
dude, i genuinely don't mean to judge you and believe me i've done "things" in my life far worse that running a xtian channel. BUT, isn't what you're doing dishonest? given how damaging and horrible that religion is I would suggest turning your platform around to teach (subtly) the horrors of this particular cult. I really hope i did not offend you. my problem is with religion, not you.
You don't need to worry about burning. Hell is a place where you torment yourself with regret for the lies you're telling yourself now to calm your fears about it.
In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 With these restrictions I guess nobody enters heaven. So we're all going to hell. Which in itself is immoral. As long as one person is in hell, you can't possibly enjoy heaven.
@@MikeFean hello, im christian and i just want to say something based on ur comment, (I don't mean to convert you or change your mind in any way, I just want to give some insight). Your right, as human beings we wouldn't be able to get into heaven as we are imperfect, but thats where Jesus comes in. God knows we aren't perfect and knows that we aren't good at restricting ourselves from our desires which puts us in a impossible position to get to heaven. So as a way to make it possible, He gave His Son (Jesus) to die for our sins so that we'd be able to enter into heaven (think of it as a sacrafice for our wrong doings). Another way of seeing it would be some one paying a fine for your wrong doings against the law so that you could go free without any crime, thats what Jesus did on the cross. The fact that God has made a way for us to get to heaven proves that he loves us enough that he wouldn't want us to go to hell. I also want to state that God doesn't send people to hell because their imperfect, he sends people to hell who choose not to repent from their sinful/evil ways. I believe it would be immoral for a god to not punish those who have done others wrong if they do not self reflect and repent (as in being born again, which includes realizing what bad you've done to others/yourself and then living a Christ-like life as a result). I believe there are people in heaven, not because they were perfect but because they chose and allowed Jesus to take away the fine (sin). One more thing, because the bible teaches us that every human being is imperfect, this includes christians as well. I've seen many christians misuse the bible against people, cherry-pick certain verses (instead of reading the whole chapter and understanding the entire context) and take every single thing in the bible literally (including the symbolism). Also, many people claim to be christian even though they don't live a christ-like life (people like this are prevelent from people who work in certain churchs/schools to even parents/relatives and friends). The bible specfically warns us (as christians) about this because its leads alot of people away from potentially getting saved (born again) and getting to know Jesus (if they choose to). Lastly, the commenter above might be a bot, lol. Anyways, thats what I believe in, just wanted to give you some insight.
@@MikeFeansays who? Would I have the right to live in your home forever just because I was good? No, heaven is a gods home and only he decides who enters and who doesn't. People who go there are not thinking much about those who end up in hell.
Darkmatter has always been able to tap into such a profound introspection into how far off religious ideas are from what we actually experience in the real world. I can't even begin to express what a monumental impact these videos have done for me. It is mind boggling to stop and think about all existence in the way this video explains it without even trying to include a god. Thank you again for such an awe inspiring masterpiece that shines such a huge spotlight on how insignificant human beings are when we zoom out beyond our cosmic neighborhood. The arrogance one has to have in order to believe that if there was something out there capable of creating everything it would care about us more than everything else in the universe truly seems ridiculous. Especially when we think about it in the way this video explains. This video meticulously shows human beings honestly have more in common with the ants than any God would have with us by many orders of magnitude. The 4 decades I was a Christian really seemed like I was living my life blindfolded. Thank you for all you do!! It is a true testament to the human capacity to comprehend our existence at the true scale we are.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
Also, let's not forget that the people who claim to have a relationship with God have to redefine the word "relationship" to get it to fit. A person in a relationship with God can't tell me anything about God that isn't part of the religion that other people in relationships with him can all attast to. What's God's personality like? What are his habits and hobbies? What does he do? In what meaningful way can you describe your relationship with God as a relationship?
They call it a relationship because Jesus shifted the covenant from “Yahweh’s deal with Israel” to “Yahweh’s deals with each individual”. At the time, the new “personal god” religions were becoming more popular. The relationship in Christianity is very transactional: You proclaim some mumbo jumbo and Yahweh promises to not torture you forever. That’s really the extent of “the relationship” - it’s about as deep as the relationship you have with your auto insurance company.
@@AdrianBoyko yeah but even in the new testament, there's no mention of people having "personal relationships" with God or Jesus. That's like a modern thing.
@@davidhoffman6980 We can analyze the content of the bible and come to conclusions about its message that aren’t explicitly stated in the bible itself. Also note that catholics don’t rely only on what is written in the bible - they consider certain information passed down through the generations (in unwritten form) to be one of their sources.
"I do wtf my preacher tells me to do and think the voice in my head didn't come from inside my head. And I'm better than you." That's their personal relationship with God.
Cant believe i was indoctrinated to that bullshit, i am glad it took me so little time from infant to teenage years to completely obliterate the entire freaking religion out of my head, i hate my past self
@@davidconway6874 Had a feeling, yeah. I've seen this kind of justification a lot. Christians have a very difficult time with scope. It's one of the reasons the concept of their unsaved friends and loved ones in Hell doesn't do more than make them mildly uncomfortable.
"If it's not real it's below you. If it's real it's beyond you." I'm so glad I found this channel and others like it. Theists find it really annoying but having people who have the knowledge set to explain why all of this is so foolish is important. That said, I'm inclined to agree, this was among one the best videos made on the channel. Stay amazing
How do they not believe in the vastness of the cosmos?? They think it just…ends? Like what holds the universe then? A paper cup? And what’s outside of that? It’s impossible for it to be finite because something has to be outside of it to contain its finiteness
@@Emiliapocalypse maybe you haven't heard of hardcore xtian flerfs who believe space is *fake* and we live under a dome 🤣 I wouldn't be surprised if they think it's turtles all the way down.😂 [I encourage you to watch CC Chris (at your own risk!) He is the most amusingly irritatating. an oxy-moron,I know]
The reason arguments like this will never work is because cognitive dissonance will always keep believers from accepting reality. The response will always be, "Well you just don't understand my personal relationship with God." It's real because they say it is, and that's all that matters to them. There is no way to use logic to get through to a group who prides themselves on being "faithful" when they're proven wrong so many times with basic logic.
This is what manipulation and counter-indoctrination are for. Clearly they pursue a relationship with God because they want to. If that's something you want to change, make them not want to
@@antinatalistwitch111 Christians: God gave you free-will. "Free-will? Of course I have free-will. I had no choice in the matter." - Christopher Hitchins
what worked for me over many years was initially i had many questions and doubts in Biblical justice. seeing amazing miricals and coincidences attributed to God was the primary reason keeping me a Christian. almost falling for a scam made me realise that i can be fooled. i find it sad non-believers were never interested in deconverting me. would have saved me a few years.
When I was a Christian, I learned that God is so majestic, that he is in the greatest as he is in the smallest of all things. So he can be with you individually and you can comprehend that part of God. That was also the time when I started to realize that what I think of God is actually what I think of the universe.
In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.
@@jle4433 Ok so turn to Christ by repenting and believing in His good news to have your sins forggiven and not to go to the fiery pit but heaven instead
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363Well even as an agnostic Christian, that would mean that even a baby who is born with sin as stated in Psalm 51:5 can go to hell for not accepting Christ as Lord and Savior. The only verse that vaguely considers the possibility of babies going to heaven is 2 Samuel 12:23, but it does not mention about the baby explicitly going to heaven.
This is exactly what has bugged me the most about the concept of these omni-gods. Their minds would be completely incomprehensible to us, it's sheer arrogance only humanity could conjure up to think they want to have, or are even capable of, any care for us, let alone having a relationship.
@@lyokianhitchhiker All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
Its ironic how you think such a being would not be able to be known yet you claim you would know it as "they don't care about us" atheism is so weird lol
Phenomenal video. I love the analogies. I love the aspects of time and space you used to compare what we can calculate to what is beyond our understanding. Thank you.
D&D. I've thought about what it would be like if a god really existed, and Dungeons & Dragons is what I came up with. You've got clerics and paladins. You've got people who are in direct contact with their gods, who can perform literal miracles on demand, who can literally cast a spell to talk directly and publicly to their deity. So I made my cleric a follower of Waukeen. He didn't spend his time chanting at the ceiling with his arms spread wide. He spent money. He worked for better pay for people, for a functioning and fair economy. Waukeen's temples became banks, operated by cleric clerks. When he visited a merchant, he wished _Blessings of Waukeen upon yourself and your establishment._ It became a bit of a running gag around the table, but Mallet Firesoul was a work-a-day religious man. Just like how people don't lose their freaking mind in-game when someone throws a firebolt, a world with real gods in it would be unremarkable. We don't point and cower at the sight of airplanes, we don't fetch our sharpened flint-tipped spears and attack the iron horses that zip by outside our homes, and we (mostly) don't panic when the Sun suddenly goes dark in the middle of the day and declare it a Sign(tm). We call that Tuesday. Perhaps the strongest evidence that gods don't exist is that: the people who believe in gods think miracles are amazing. We know miracles don't happen, we understand why people _think_ miracles happen and how people tell lies and make money off of miraculous claims; the only reason to think miracles are anything other than mundane occurrences are because they don't happen and believers need to pretend they're magical so they can feel reassured their imaginary friends are real. Look at the lunatic in the video, carrying a loudspeaker and wearing a hoodie with "Trust Jesus" printed on it. If his god actually existed, he wouldn't need to be an obnoxious parasite like he is; his god could make itself known in a non-intrusive normal everyday fashion. Instead, it's so _fake_ that you have to mentally cripple someone to the point where their whole life revolves around being a nuisance. My cleric didn't preach the Word of Waukeen. He didn't go around Inquisiting about people's investment portfolio. He didn't command people to trust that Waukeen's justice would ensure they get a fair wage some day in the afterlife. He did his job. His normal, everyday job. Which might've involved bashing some heads in when people tried to sell him into slavery for being a tiefling, but he only did it because a fair wage is better for the economy.
The gods of D&D are not omniscient, omnipotent, or omnipresent, as the 'gods' of our real-life monotheist religions are claimed to be. They were modeled after the Pagan gods, who were tutelary spirits - beings that could help you access to higher concepts, new ideas, and your own psychic potential. You could think of the tutelary spirit as the origin of your own psyche, and it is in a position to act 'like' god, but only in relation to your own life and personal evolution. That is what the Pagan gods were to the Pagans, but its become very misinterpreted by modern people who've been so disconnected from them by the monotheisms. Anyway, it was interesting to see that you portrayed your character the way the Pagans did in our own history. If I were the DM, that would have been worth a major xp bonus for great roleplay.
@@YouDontKnowMeSoYouDontKnowJack No, Cletus, D&D is not my argument against god. My point was that if god really existed, believers would be more like my cleric. Prayer wouldn't be seen as some mystical magical special thing, it would be as common as rainfall. More common. Less special, in fact, because just like in D&D seeing a miracle would be mundane. But well done utterly failing to understand the point of the video or my response, must take effort to be as brain-dead as you, cultyboy.
Exactly! It makes me SO SAD that so many people find prioritizing relationships with each other over some imaginary god as worthless. Seriously? If all you need is god, then why bother having family, friends or children at all? What's the point? Religious people need to explain why they bother with people. I need to understand.
The thought occurred to me that even IF there was a god/creator, there would be no way my puny, limited brain could even begin to comprehend said entity. So whether god exists or not, nothing would change, as I would have no way of knowing in either case. That's when I became an atheist.
This is one of the best video i've ever seen in my life probably this video changed my life forever despite being a non native english speaker i got the information he is giving. Thanks for posting this video!
I don't want a relationship with an abuser. In my case, the abuse is deliberately making me so defective that I'm guaranteed to suffer the relentless disabling agony of permanent loneliness and depression. My life is over. I'm already dead but I'm forced to survive. If I thought that freak was real, it would drive me insane with rage. The only suitable punishment for that level of evil would be reincarnation as me.
God is good, loving, and considerate. God can save us just by believing in him. No works and no obligation to go to church even though it is recommended. God wants to save us, and that is exactly why Jesus Christ died on the cross.
What saddens me most is when faced with these facts, a lot of people simply turn away from facts at large. I've never met a flat earther who was an atheist. I've never met a space denialist who didn't do so for non-religious reasons. In order to calm the dissonance they feel with reality and what they think reality is, they just blow off reality. And I can't even blame them. That just seems to be a part of human nature. But it does make me very sad.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
I am so close, I may look distant. So completely mixed with you, I may look separate. So out in the open, I appear hidden. So silent, because I am constantly talking with you. - Rumi
In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.
@@NomadicNirvana420 Have you ever lied, desired something that belongs to someone else, stolen anything (big or small), used God’s Name in vain, been sexually immoral like looking with lust, watching poor, fornicating (premarital sex), had unforgiveness, hated someone, disrespected your parents, insulted someone or gossiped about someone, had evil thoughts. If you’ve sinned once you need to repent today and Believe in the good news of Jesus Christ. Romans 3: 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
@@TheXIIWizard God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, and evil Spirits the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.
This video isn't as convincing as you think it is. God created people to have relationships with us, but we didn't create ants to have relationships with them.
@@freshrockpapa-e7799 Even if we were meant to have a relationship with God, how would that even work? Like our minds are so small compared to God, it would be like a human trying to have a meaningful relationship with an amoeba.
@@waspoppin4784 What does it matter the proportion? A Dog can have emotions and show a connection can't it? And people can too, why wouldn't we be able to have a relationship when we literally have relationships between ourselves? An amoeba can't have relationships with us but they can't even among themselves because they lack emotions, we don't. Your whole reasoning is absurd.
@@freshrockpapa-e7799 The proportion would matter. Imagine if you were aware of the entire universe, why would you want to have a relationship with a human.
@@freshrockpapa-e7799 I disagree. It is just missing that people are driven by their reward systems to seek out food, sleep, and look for companionships. Mental states with regards to our reward system are why we do things and even do nasty things to people. If so, God would need to have a well balanced mental state to be driven to create and have relationships and be as benevolent as it is suggested he is. With the vastness of space as such in the video I would doubt God would have a drive to make an incredible small habital planet just for us. You are projecting, the arguments for God you have heard aren't as convincing as you think, they are all emotional driven as such humans needs for relationship and to have a protector guardian as we need when we are children.
Oh my goodness! I usually don't comment, but that was amazing and inspiring. Thank you! I really needed that from one of my fellow atheists today. I appreciate your work sir. Please don't ever stop. We need you too.💯🌟😎❤️
This one. This should be taught in school, it's so on point, it has such flow and structure. Awesome. Impactful. Thought-provoking. Thank you. And so true. This self-important mentality is everywhere in theist arguments, like when they talk about evolution as if they weren't just a step in it, but the perfected end result. And at the core there is the question that never gets an adequate explanation: why would an entity of cosmic proportions suddenly show interest in a handful of nomadic goat-herders on a backwater planet in the edge of one of the hundred billions of galaxies it created? Especially around the same time when the Babylonian Empire, the Medo-Persian Empire, the Roman Empire, the Ancient Egyptian civilization, the Chinese Han Dynasty, the Indus Valley Civilization, or the Maya Civilization also existed. I mean, if an omnipotent being wanted to build a relationship with humans for some mysterious reasons, any of those empires would have been a better choice, right?
I have always said, if I die and find out that it's exactly like the bible said, and there's a heaven and a hell and a God and Satan and the whole literal shabang, all of it turns out to be real.... I will WEEP in despair. I want my reality to mean something bigger than me, bigger than our stories and our perceptions. If there is an Almighty, he better so far beyond knowable that it is literally incomprehensible. My god would necessarily be far, far greater than your God. This idea burns up a lot of Christians, that I have a greater and more powerful God. And I don't even believe in him.
@@liegeoflunacy if you are on desktop, you can tap the period key ( . ) and the comma key ( , ) to move 1 frame forward or back, I hope this helps for future investigations :P
I don't poison ants in my garden
They poison themselves by rejecting me
*whispers*: “Am I not the perfect god?”
Perfect!! 😂😂
Well, two of them started the whole damn thing, now all of them must love me or die.
Ah, what an interesting analogy you've presented! It's almost poetic. But let's tweak it a bit, shall we? Imagine if someone were trying to stop a person from walking into a burning building, but the person insists on going in anyway. Out of respect for their choice, they let them go. You see, in this scenario, God is the source of all goodness. By rejecting Him, you're also rejecting all the good things He offers, leaving yourself open to all the negative aspects that come with a world without Him. So, respecting your choice, He sends you to a place devoid of His goodness-what some might call hell. It's not about punishment, but about honoring your decision to live without His presence. Quite considerate, don't you think?
@Lvisredalin bullshit
The person isn't sending the other person into the burning building nor did they create everything having foreknowledge how everything would happen according to their design.
Relationships with an omnipresent being shouldn’t require mediators such as priests… this should be common sense.
Interestingly there's anarchistic currents in many world religions that would tend to agree with this
This was in martin luthers list of greivances@@zerologic7912
@@zerologic7912 name 3 😁
Nobody ever said they do
@@freshrockpapa-e7799Catholicism did 🤨
I used to think I had a relationship with God. It was my primary motivation, and was a source of comfort, yet I eventually had to admit to myself that it was entirely one-sided. I gave my time, tithe, free labor via several ministries, prayer, Bible study, my career goals, evangelism, etc. In exchange, God...umm? He was invisible, inaudible, didn't respond to anything, didn't do anything that couldn't be mistaken for random chance. I couldn't keep up the charade anymore. Either God didn't care or he didn't exist, and both possibilities were essentially the same thing from my perspective.
Just read the Bible with some logic. You will realise that it's entirely a BS.
Has it occurred to you that you were simply worshipping the wrong God?
Re your last sentence, same thing indeed. IMO deists have more in common with atheists than they do with theists, in this regard.
Former Conservative Evangelical Christian, Bible College student and Bible teacher for many years. I can relate to most of what you said. It took me a while. But I do find that life is so much better; without all that b.s. that I was indoctrinated and groomed into from early childhood. Thanks for sharing!
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I had an ant farm when I was a child and I woke up one Valentine’s Day and they had carved a tunnel in the shape of a heart. So I said “I love you too, ants”
damn, you ruined this entire video
@daheikkinen that's nice and all, but you didn't create the ants and you also aren't omnipotent. You cannot talk to them but your parents could talk to you when you were growing up. and an omnipotent being can have the ability to communicate with an ant
@@notanonymous3976 he's a libertarian atheist.
@@celinelia8127 which simply highlights some of the biggest points in the video:
The fact that theists are assuming (if someone had irrefutable evidence for it, it would be fact, not assumption) that the thing they have never seen nor can fully comprehend is omnipotent, cares about having a relationship with them, and that the difference between a being that knows the placement of every atom and its current configuration is far greater than us and ants.
Darkmatter2525 hits it out of the park every time!
Thats cute
Rignt now there are 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 ants burning in my hell for not worshiping me. I hope the others learn from their blasphemy.
I woke up one day where pests worshipped me as they ate the donuts I fell asleep on.
I screamed and flung myself out of bed while slapping myself.
I ran straight into the shower and eventually threw my bed away.
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@@Mikewee777exactly what earth us getting ready to do with us
@@Mikewee777 And I thought I was the only one that this ever happened to.
"Behind my house are miles and miles of grassland. I once went to a spot I can't even see from my house. There I noticed an Anthill.
Somewhere in there, underground, was an Ant, infinite smaller and less powerful than me.
I want to have a relationship with it. I want it to be amazed by me, even if it will never understand or even see all of me.
And if it says no I will crush it. Also if they could kill each other over disagreements of my personality, that would be great." -The Smartest Person that ever existed or will exist
Comments like these really make everything so clear. In almost any example of God's specific behavior or overall desire, you can put the same actions on a human, or other non-god being, and suddenly the example INSTANTLY turns not just imperfect, but actively horrific. I've seen dozens of these, made a few myself.
And the worst part is, your analogy is a softball. The "smartest person ever" doesn't just crush the ants anymore, he got tired of that. Now he sets them on fire and actively intercedes to make sure they survive and feel it for as long as possible, all because they were SO HORRIBLE to him for the crime of going about their normal lives without bending them around him and his whims.
And that is STILL a softball, because at least this human can show the ants he exists by physically interacting with them. God refuses even to do _that_ much, preferring to behave identically to the type of god that doesn't actually exist and never did. Strange, that.
You're not mechanistically connected to the ant, anthill or grasslands. You put yourself in a place with limited comprehension/awareness as you are also apart of the same system. Ignorance is only a factor of time and as more work is done to eradicate it, you become aware. And even then you're limited to Time's linear advance and space's infinite expansion.
God is not human nor human looking in the way that water is not the shape of the container it rests in. To impose such a limit is silly.
Great comment. 👍
Well, not infinitely.
@@riluna3695
Love your reply to a great comment
thank you for creating a thorough and more palatable version of what i tell people- "an entity who breathed neutron stars & nebula into existence probably doesn't care if you masturbate or not".
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Guess what I'm doing tonight
@@littleredpony6868 😏
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Genius work, sir. I applaud you.
In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 If God created everything, then he also created uncleanliness.
@@Juliet_Capulet The guy who created the computer created it to make life easier to calculate, do office work etc Humans also use it for watching POORn, stealing and all kinds of abomination.
God created humans with free will so they are free to choose right or wrong (sin) , unfortunately they choose wrong far too often, So Jesus paid the penalty/fine on the Cross so either you pay for your sins in hell or believe in Jesus who paid it for you.
Ecclesiastes-7:29 Truly, this only I have found: That God made man upright, But they have sought out many schemes.”
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 And God created us to choose sin, unless we created ourselves to choose sin. Either God created everything, or God didn't create everything. If God created us, and we are so awful and weak, it isn't because we created ourselves that way or some other entity created us that way. It's because God created us that way. God created us to behave a certain way, and punishes us for behaving in exactly that way.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363Jesus didn’t astutely look like your PFP
The idea of a personal relationship with God is probably one of the first things that made me realize christians were confused about their own inner thoughts
Theists are not having a relationship with their god, except in the case that their god lives in their minds. And there really is no point to doing this.
There's also the massive cosmic irony that his so-called "personal relationship" has God never directly speak to or address them to the point of using mediators. Not sure how a relationship could be less personal than that.
Believers don't have thoughts, they have desires.
"I want for there to be a god and an afterlife, therefore there is a god and an afterlife." No thinking going on there.
@@scottmoore7588 yeah right. I imagined God saved me and I became a born again believer and saw many things over the years to compel me to keep going by Faith that God gives me and everyone else. So I imagined all of it because you say so.
@@davidrexford586 Maybe. But why then, were you luckier... than many medieval Jews? Or Africans (often enchained) or gay people?
POWERFUL STATEMENT:
If it’s not real it is beneath you
If it is real it’s beyond you
Powerful Indeed!!!
18:57 ... and the follow-up is just as good: " *We* need you, *we* want you. [...] We are not the greatest, so we can always be greater, and we need you to help us get there."
They say God is outside of space and time. You know what else is outside of space and time? Imaginary friends
nowhere and never...
@@marcdc6809 Nowhere and never. Hmm, that describes everything that does not exist.
Most of them don't know that they are slipping up and telling you that he doesn't exist by saying this.
Tulpamancy
The meme machine
Imagine the arrogance one needs to have to seriously believe they could have a personal relationship with an all-knowing all-powerful being that created time and space.
What arrogance? I just want to give the all-knowing, all-powerful being some pointers.
@LadyZewe The big dealbreaker for me was knowing that my longing would proceed the reality that know matter what I wanted, it still wasn't true, and thus would be a false relationship. It would ultimately all be a fabrication. It reminds me too much of a relationship involving someone that pretends to care.
My mother told me that she prayed really hard to God because she couldn't take a shit. Throughout the day I kept thinking what it would be like to be God. What would it be like to be an all knowing cosmic being having to listen to a puny human crying out to me because she couldn't take a shit. A woman who lives in a first world nation, with healthcare and a means to procure the necessary items to remedy her problem crying out to me to help her take a shit. All I could think was "Holy Shit" it would suck to be God. 💩🙏
what does that even mean? of course you can
@@gabrielsanders7292 You christians are so arrogant you actually believe that the two most powerful beings in the universe do nothing but constantly fight over you. Anyway, have you even watched the video?
As huge as the universe is, we are taught to believe that an entity who directs all of the universe is aware of - and offended by - the thoughts of what I might want to do involving my genitals with another person's genitals.
That's just weird.
Definitely weird.
And if you say the magic words in front of a priest, sign the special certificate, and give the proper fee , then suddenly God doesn't care what you do together.
And any female complaints don't concern him either .
This is the Sam Harris argument. To add on that, this particular god also only cares for the sexual activities of this one particular descendant of homosapien, despite having millions of millions of species in this insignificant planet, within an insignificant solar system, within an insignificant galaxy.... Such hubris and ignorance.
Specially if they look alike.
@@FoursWithin Ah, but only if that other person is approved by that God, per someone's interpretation of the texts. If you're the same sex, only a few religions or sects of those religions will permit it. If you're opposite both never-married, and above some age, and have approval of your family, you're good almost everywhere. If he's got other wives, you might be good or maybe not, depending on what religion. If she's got other husbands, you're probably not okay, except in the few places that permit polygyny. You might not be okay if you've been married before. Generally, you are if the State has divorced you or your spouse died, or if you're in a place and religion that permit polygamous marriages, or if some people on the inside of the religion have declared the prior marriage to have never taken place - for a fee.
Oddly, few of these texts have a minimum age to permit marriage, and the ones that do have it ludicrously low - like 9. Most permit it at any age - from birth on, and some permit formal religious betrothals between children or between children and adults. It doesn't matter what people want, so long as their families want it.
Isn't just allowing it when the people who are of an age and station wherein they're allowed to enter into contracts a lot simpler?
@@rudra62
Right, So much weirdness.
Almost every culture and society has had specific rules around sexual relationships Though they're often conflicting in one way or another.
Even the rules that make the most sense, such as no incest aren't universal. Take ancient Egypt for example. The royalty had to marry close relatives. Sibling marriage
was the rule for the elites. 👀
And the age of consent definitely reflects the idea that most females had few rights.
T he age of consentfor most of the world Including the USA until about 100 years ago was around age 10.
And that's really not that long ago considering there are a few people from that time still kicking around today.
I love how succinctly you outlined the basic premise of the Duning-Kruger Effect.
It wasn't something I expected from this video. But it was certainly appreciated.
Duning-Kruger Effect.
I was so strong of this when I was a Christian.
@@CelestialVenerableValinor We all were my friend.
But at least we weren't as bad as flat earthers lol.
Funnily enough, that has nothing to do with the Dunning-Kruger effect at all.
Dunning Kruger effect is about less skilled people overestimating their skill while more skilled people overestimate everyone else's skill. Despite that, the researchers did record that less skilled people on average do know they're less skilled, and more skilled people do know they're more skilled.
@@MimOzanTamamogullar maybe you have never experienced being a Christian and firmly believing to be in a relationship with God, which is a ridicolous stay of mind. Like, I really believed a God, omniscient and omnipotent had me in his mind, and that I understood some things he wanted from me. IT was reflecting about how big the universe is, that started to subconsciously tear down that stupid construction I made up. I used to think, how could people think they can escape such a being by pretending it's not real, or what would be the point of living a life of sin if the omnipotent built an omnipotent level hellish place for them? Like I thought that everyone knew God existed and either choose to obey or not. But size comparing things, from the small to the big, I started thinking about how such a God that big would use the most pathetic ways of communication instead of clearly and actively be present. Magical power be so scarce as if it doesn't exist. Divine intervention being so small as if it never happened. Even if you believe in any version of theism, how come, it's everything related to the deities so small, scarce, faint, slow, ephimeral and hidden? Coincidence? NO. Simply I finally realized I wasn't a believer, then I started researching what should be believed to be a Christian and promptly I figured I had not a single good reason to believe, while a universe sized amount of things to believe it's NOT REAL.
So, there was a lot of me, thinking I was smarter and more enlightened than non Christians.
"If god doesnt exist hes beneath you, if he does exist hes beyond you" wooooow
And yet he still desires to have a relationship with humans
@@iamBlackGambitdoes he? How do you know? And if yes, whats stopping him from forming close and better realtionships with everyone?
@@iamBlackGambit did you watch the video?
@@iamBlackGambit Why would a perfect being desire anything?
What if we are God?
"What does god need with a starship?" - Capt. Kirk
"What does god need with tithings and adoration?" - Me
"God would not drive a Honda" - Two Corinthians
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God doesn't need that stuff, you are confusing the church and God himself.
the church is real, god isn't
XD what a cope. Enjoy the lake of fire.
Even without trying to comprehend everything you laid out here, the thing that helped get me out was realizing how egotistical it was to think that such a being would have personally and individually planned out things in my life and would listen if I asked for something.
I love this channel. So glad I found it recently. Thanks for everything, keep up the good work.
I felt the same way about this. Considering the idea of a perfect utopian standard that makes you feel like you deserve the most horrible fate in the afterlife, it's said that your creator loves you is very disheartening. Almost like Stockholm syndrome covered up.
Look up: battered spouse syndrome
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Psalms 8:1-9 O LORD our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens.
Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger.
When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;
What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:
All sheep and oxen, yea, and the beasts of the field;
The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas.
O LORD our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth!
Our God cares for us because he made us in His image and for his glory.
@@VituxTvGod also loves killing the suckling babies (and telling his people to also kill the suckling babies).
@@VituxTv Thats a verse from a book that would immediately fail the CRAAP test.
A flower isn't beautiful because it lasts forever. Mortality is very scary... but its also what gives our life meaning. Its a catalyst of all we've accomplished.
Diamonds last a longass time and are valuable, mortality doesn't do jack for value.
Being non-existent is the most meaningful thing.
This sounds so condescending. It's a secular humanist wink that all your life is a cosmic lie so we just become hedonists and enjoy life. Well, that's fine and good in a society with constant access to supermarkets and hotel chains, but take all that shit away and what do you have? A smug bastard whistling in darkness.
there's no reason for mortality to be scary
This is the big thing I don't understand about religious people. I don't understand the argument from beauty, that things being beautiful points to God existing and that they are beautiful because he created them. To me, it diminishes the idea of beauty. Beauty holds value because it's emergent and fragile. If everything beautiful was destined to be beautiful because a perfect God made it and he made you to find it beautiful, it's no different to a calculator being able to multiply large numbers instantly. It's not impressive that it does that -- it's supposed to and designed to.
Now, imagine a person whose sole ambition is to be King of the Ants, who seethes with eternal rage at ants for failing to worship him or obey a set of rules he's given them about certain ways they're not allowed to wave their antennae, and wants to torture them for eternity for their "rebellion." Would you respect this person, or consider them wise and benevolent?
Nope!
I'd think they are... Special.
@@jadelynnmasker LOL
I can just imagine a crazed lunatic running around a garden with a flame thrower screaming "I am the king of the ants!" 😂😂 That really puts it onto perspective...
I can just imagine a crazed lunatic running around a garden with a flame thrower screaming "I am the king of the ants!" 😂😂 That really puts it onto perspective.
I enjoy this quote by a very smart man!
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
― Epicurus
If God did stop evil, then the true evil will be our over population in this planet of finite resources. Strangling all life. Evil is no accident or coincidence.
I always took it as god is able & willing to prevent evil, but evil is just that good at being evil
It's Infinite swirling. Evil is so evil it loops in back on itself...
Either you trust in God, or you don't. Either way, nature is just. Have confidence in the ecosystem. As brutal as the wild can be, nature balances everything. It may seem unfair when ur being ripped apart by a praying mantis. A few lifetimes in a row. However, with enough patience the cold side of the pillow will always be waiting.
@@lyokianhitchhiker then God is not able
I have thought about this or a long time; "Why would an omnipotent being who knows everything and can do anything want anything to do with me?" Your video sums up those thoughts perfectly!
He's a micromanaging meddler. I've met a few.
Because God loves us. God sees us as his children since we were made in his image.
@@JesusIsKingOfKings-yj4xf That only raises more questions about this "God" if that even is his real name.
@@rcblazera) what questions? Love is love. B) you know its not his name. We call that being god but its name is different.
There is one thing I would like to add, the Gods invented were always human or human-like in the same way we assumed aliens would be human or human-like. This is true across many cultures the God of the bible supposedly made humanity in his image: Zeus from Greek mythology is depicted as a muscular man throwing lightning bolts, Odin from Norse mythology is depicted as an old man who is sometimes missing an eye, Anubis from ancient Egyptian mythology is depicted as a human body with a jackal head, Ganesh from Hinduism is depicted as a human body with an elephant head and extra arms briefly portrayed by Homer Simpson.
Yes! The concepts described in all holy books are of human origin, so why should we ascribe them to an infinite being?
We even make other animals in the form of cartoons or animation-to have human characteristics.
Even the conceptual philosophical omnipotent omnipresent omniscient God, creator of universes, this thing, it's very human. All these concepts are totally human constructs. Our visualizations of omnipotence for instance will lead towards what humans can imagine, and even with our own thoughts we debunk perfectly every version of God attached to all these concepts.
It’s baffling that many of the gods that we made up just so happen to have traits only of phenomenon we can personally perceive, such as humanoids, half human half animal, or humanoids wielding weapons or armor.
Almost like we made them up in terms only we can understand.
Because thouse are Polytheistic gods, they are so different from the Abrahamic Monotheist God that using the same word 'God' to describe them is as inaccurate as using the word "mascot" to refere to both Tony the Tiger and Jesus. Polytheistic gods represent achetypes of human nature and culture their human like nature is the point.
This video should have millions of views.
Such a powerful, true, empathetic, and loving message.
In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 is he going to punish me because of the free will he gave me, do we even have free will?
I'm so glad I found your videos. They are a great inspiration & a comfort to me as I deconstruct over 40 years of false beliefs and Faith, but people like you make me have a new faith in the goodness of people I was never allowed to believe in before. You are very wise and talented and a gift to us all. And I love the sound of your voice. Lol.
Back with another banger! As long as you create I’ll watch!
This video is a masterpiece 🙌🏼. Great images and excellent analogy to deliver the message 👍🏼.
Artfully done. I’ve been a fellow human having a distant one-way relationship with you for at least a decade and want to give back. Thank you so very much my distant friend.
My old church insisted it wasn’t God’s will for me to be a mom. I knew they were full of it the moment my kid was born 17 years ago.
I wonder if they truly believed that.
bruh thats wack
What? Why? I thought they called the birth of a new life "a God given miracle"
Say what?!?
Also God in the Bible: Be fruitful and multiply!
Usually, they're trying to force motherhood on women who don't want it, rather than the other way around. lol
Why would 'God', a perfect being, a complete being, create ANYTHING? Was it bored? Was it lacking something? Did it want to show off, to whom? Was it lonely? Any of these reasons and God is neither perfect nor complete. The fact that things exist at all prove there is no perfect, complete being that created them. If there was a being powerful enough to create everything, it would have done so to satisfy some MASSIVE deficiency. In which case, you wouldn't want to be in a relationship with it and it certainly would find no benefit in you.
It could be necessity. That is, a being that is perfect HAS TO create something other than itself, because the role of being a creator is what it means to be perfect. But of course, the counterpoint to that would be that if such a being is compelled to create by its own nature, it isn't truly sovereign and thus isn't perfect for that reason.
But "perfect" in the most general sense doesn't even make sense. Perfect for what? Perfect at what? You can't just say "everything;" a perfect kitchen knife is extremely sharp, but a perfect pool noodle is not sharp at all, so it's impossible for anything to be both a perfect kitchen knife and perfect pool noodle simultaneously.
@@Uryvichk Perfect - lacking flaws.
I asked this question to many god folk, and they say that God did it for his glory. So when they start suffering, I say, "It's all for God's glory." Just so they can hear their own stupidity being repeated to them.
It's a free, unnecessary, uncompelled act of God's love to create us. God is infinitely free and under no compulsions.
It seems God "thought" that it would be neat to create creatures to ultimately partake in His being. It's an act of omnipotence and omnibenevolence. On a lesser scale you can decide to give a good quality bottle of wine to your neighbour for no particular reason other than you think it would be a nice thing to do. I don't think "for His glory "which is an often-given answer, is the primary purpose.
The creatures cannot be perfect because only God is perfect and for God to create perfect creatures in His image then He would only be creating Himself which He cannot do. God is uncreated, so creating a perfect being would be logically impossible since part of the perfection is the characteristic of being uncreated.
You'd think that creating an imperfect being would render God imperfect (and therefore non-existent) in some way. I don't know if anyone has managed to break through this impasse. I personally think the current logic here is by no means fatal and just breaks down...
If a God exists, then I think your conjectures (which, as you say, render God non-existent) as to what sort of a god it and/or its motives might be, can be answered to some extent along these lines...
Why would a perfect God do something unnecessary? Simply for the love of it, simply for the omnibenevolent generosity of it.
@@themanwhowasthursday5616just read the Bible and you’ll realize that god is not perfect. It regrets, it gets angry, it gets jealous, it kills and demands to kill, it judges, it changes it’s mind etc.. a perfect being wouldn’t have these traits at all.
Don't worry what gods want.
Be a good person.
If gods are real and good, they can reward you for being good.
If gods are real and are evil, you don't want to be with them
If gods aren't real, at least you were a good person.
Ah the classic Marcus Aurelius quote
And why should you be a good person?
Because good people prefer to be surrounded by other good people.
Why?
Because they are more likely to do good to each other.
If you like to see more people doing good to YOU and the others. You should prioritize to surround yourself with good people by becoming a good person yourself.
In conclusion, being a good person is actually doing good to yourself.
Vice Versa.
By Crom this is good advice.
@@herdian.arisfauzi but don't be too nice to evil people. They'll take advantage.
If God is good, He'll punish evil.
Best video of yours that I've watched yet! Hits the reality of this "relationship with god" fantasy right on the head.
Thank you so much! That's very generous of you and I really appreciate it.
"Lol, those primitive indigenous people worship the Sun!"
"Dude, the Sun at least visibly exists."
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@@Paolo-ec2si That comment is pretty funny tho
@@Paolo-ec2si Respect is earned, and a vast majority of Religious Beliefs have not earned respect.
@@Paolo-ec2si why?
@@Paolo-ec2si Love the believer, hate the belief...?
@@Paolo-ec2si You mean like believers are respectful to me when they misgender me and tell me that their god hates me and ill burn in eternal hellfire for my sin of loving?
Feel like a lot of people missed the point immediately...
It's not about how "stupid" it is that these people believe in a God of any kind, it's about how that cannot even truthfully be a good idea in the first place.
A being of such scale that it created the UNIVERSE, would have to be so big that if it's even possible for something like that to have a will, it's will would not even treat us with anything more than a slight twitch of the eye at our emergence and ending, if even that.
Enough of that "hurr durr, they believe in a sky daddy, it's an imaginary friend!"... Have a brain, please. It's an old line.
Quite eloquent. Thank you!
Yes, it's such a well-made video and ends with a beautiful message. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one bothered by some people's takeaway. Old habits die hard I guess.
There is an inherent problem with this analysis, however. It actually rests on the contradiction that you can comprehend an incomprehensible being. The basic form of this argument is "I understand that the nature of a being beyond understanding is such that I can predict that it wouldn't do this thing." It is therefore a self-defeating and horrendous argument to make. I myself am an atheist, but I think atheism is plagued by people who don't really have a sincere philosophical issue with religion and are instead just degenerates who want God to not exist for some emotional reason (such as wanting to feel smarter than the majority of humanity, or because they want to do things religion proscribes).
@@sigiligus it is incoherent to even assert that an incomprehensible being can exist. the flaw is in the assertion not its negation. so much for YOUR analysis.
To build on this, we don't concern ourselves with the rights of the many different species of microbes that live within our bodies, even the ones that evolved complex symbiotic relationships with us. And if we do - it is never on an individual scale because bacteria average only 12 hours of life. Half a day, half of one unit of time, that us humans on average will experence 28,835 of! As a species we still run complete extermination campaigns of these "foreign" microbes, erasing ones that could be really beneficial in the name of sanitation or health. If whatever made the universe is consious (hubris to say it would even be a state of being we could relate to in a single word, if any at all), it would view us as even less significant than we do to microbes. Hell, it might see us as the foreign bodies contaminating its world. Though that's again anthropomorphisizing what is not even fathomable.
human : i love ants so much, i will sacrifice my child for their sins
ant: bro, WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU
“You're not my dad! Get your hands off me!” classic video 😂
Those ants are going to owe you everything.
LOL, then 600 years later in Mecca, an Ant warlard & merchant came across an Ant Angel in a cave that transcribed the Ant-uran to a supposedly illiterate Ant warlord-merchant.
@@FactStorm Ant-uran XD , qurant is good alternative XD
😂😂😂😂😂 very true
i feel sad thinking about how much time ive wasted alone in prayer, study and worship thinking i was spending time with God.
You can see prayer as contemplating. Then it's not completely a waste. It was a form of self-reflection :-)
@@mdjwbd i suppose. ive found myself giving into self-destructive forms of comfort since ive stopped praying. i use gaming, youtube, memes, porn and snacks to numb the pain. believers would probably see this sinful, but it is a loss of self control. ive become more easily controlled by my emotions. i need to start meditating and finding inner peace.
so you are right in a sense, but i've spent such a long time alone trying to find someone who wasnt there. spending time alone with my own thoughts disturbs me. part of me thinks i am wasting my precious time and i look back at missed opportunities in my life. ive put off so many life experiences thinking ill live forever anyway and i should focus on more important things.
i suppose ive been "praying" to my higher self this whole time. and since ive stopped believing and allowed myself to hate the "God of the Bible", i've incorrectly hated my higher self which i thought was God. i dunno of im making any sense.
@@mdjwbd one thing ive struggled my entire life is finding balance. ive always looked for a all-solving ideology to follow. bouncing from extreme to extreme. in the past i had too much prayer now i have none. perhaps moderation in meditation as in all things is ideal.
@@notanonymous3976healing takes time
If you feel your behavior right now is bad,then it's just you bleeding. Eventually you should manage to stop the bleeding and heal
@@notanonymous3976how about an anostic philosophy I tough of to help others to thrive for balance:
Let's say we don't know what happens after death. But what we know for Sure is that it ends this life. Afterlife or reincarnation or nothingness,it ends this life forever and we can never come back to it. So the best is to savour this life for as long as possible while as great as possible. Find that sweet balance between fun and longevity in life. And while we are at it, let's also help others in finding and maintaining said
balance so they too can have a longjoyful life
That all makes perfect sense. The problem is that a religious person will acknowledge all of that and still reply " Yes, but amazingly, wonderfully, he does have a relationship with us!" 😬
Why would that a problem? Are you bothered by religious liberty?
@@freshrockpapa-e7799
I imagine the commenter is bothered by the bad logic and endless excuses of theistic propaganda.
Which is especially problematic
when it's coupled with evangelical fanaticism.
Freedom coupled with bad logic often has a negative consequence.
@@FoursWithin Then just stop listening, it doesn't have anything to do with them if that's the case
@@freshrockpapa-e7799
While many things in our surroundings are best ignored in order to get on with daily life , somethings can be detrimental if ignored for too long.
Bad logic, poor reasoning, and excessive excuses for not facing
the issues at hand fall into the
latter category.
@@FoursWithin What detriment to your life are other people causing by practising their religion?
Christians: God sacrificed his son for you
Me: I didn't ask him to
Christians: But he died for your sins so that you could get redemption. Humans are sinners
Me: I didn't ask God to make me a sinner either. Wasn't him who created me, like all humans?
Christians: God sacrificed his son for you.
Me: Meaning...what?
Christians: Now you won't burn in hell if you accept Jesus!
Me: So everyone that lived before Jesus was born is currently burning in hell?
Christians: Not if they believed in God.
Me: So if I accept Jesus, that means I won't burn in hell no matter what?
Christians: No, you have to avoid sin.
Me: Didn't Jesus cancel out the sin?
Christians: You still have to follow God's laws.
Me: Gods laws included not worshiping other gods, doesn't accepting Jesus break that law?
Christians: Jesus is God's son!
Me: Doesn't this just make the whole not burning in hell more complicated by adding an extra unnecessary step? What exactly did the sacrifice accomplish again?
Christians: Just do what we tell you or we'll burn you as a heretic!!!
Me: Ahhh, gotcha.
@@meh2510 when you think about all civilizations whose population never heard about Jesus or Christianity. I thought God was omnipresent
@@meh2510 So christians PLAYING the opposite of Evil are actually the antichrist messing around for 2000 years ? it actually made a 360 degree turn with christians thinking sinning is O.K. because it can be for given but, simply being skeptical is the trip to hell is foolish but not so at all. the true God wants us to grow and get our act together and remember to be care full with out destroying the planet we live on . one strange thing is nothing ever adds up even with Science we still are far from relavent rational logic..how do we prove billions of galaxy's are out in about by micro skopes and machines that risk running the Van allen belt still today. For all science knows is the far off swarms of lights could be sparkling water droplets. 🤗🤫
God didn't make you a sinner. A sin is a transgression/immorality with or without the divine.
@@meh2510Jesus's sacrifice is eternal. So the people before the sacrifice are now saved.
Great video as always. Finally decided to join the Darkmatter army :D
Fictional deities will never love you back. But people can. Seek a loving relationship with people. Not gods
It's actually the other way around in many people's experience.
But unlike people, gods won't dissapoint you.
@@jindrichsander7271 lol!
according to the bible he tried once to flush us all down, and everything went, except for a single floater... that kind of is how the ancient people thought god had a personal relationship with his people...
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they stole that story from the sumerians. there was more to it.
the Gilgamesj-epos, when I look it up they call it the oldest known work of fiction... I'd say if there was 'more' to it it's that imagination predates divine inspiration by many centuries.
@@marcdc6809 I mean that the Gilgamesh flood story has more to it. It's a longer story, and better. For starters, the reason for the flood in Gilgamesh is that the humans were making too much noise. That's fg hilarious.
that makes sense!
Pareidolia is very often confused with apophenia. Pareidolia is a visual phenomenon. It's when your eyes see images in the randomness. Apophenia is more of a psychological phenomenon. It's when people connect things and find patterns in random events. Apophenia is often cited as the source of conspiracy theories.
Or Meth...
@@Jay-ate-a-bug The two can work in tandem.
@@Jay-ate-a-bug Or meth? You mean it's the source of conspiracy theories? Well, apophenia is often associated with mental illness. I guess that goes hand in hand with addiction.
@@PeteOtton Sometimes but I think it's probably rare. I remember seeing some creationist depictions of dinosaurs that were supposedly made by people. Some of them were just weird monsters but a few of them were just the natural contours of a rock face that sorta kinda look like a dinosaur if you squint and have an active imagination. We can all do pareidolia but not everyone can do apophenia.
@@PaulTheSkeptic I suppose I could have clarified my comment better. "Apophenia is often cited as the source of conspiracy theories." Or Meth...or Drugs, or Mental Illness, or blind devotion, or Joe Rogan Podcasts, etc. etc.
Babe wake up, Kratos posted
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Spot on! I just finished Ragnarok-
Kratos gave me a mild existential crisis...
I laughed way too hard at your comment, gosh! :D :D
Man do I love your videos.
Your ability to present facts so clearly with no bias is a real breath of fresh air.
If a god ain´t fixing my health and body every day and doesn´t give me money to be happy, why would I want him?
LiFE aFtER deATh!!
@@bactrosaurus That makes no sense. Do we all come back and have great parties? Do we go off to some other dimension, which would be of interest to some physicists. Do we become one with the universe, oops sorry that's Buddhism.
@@PeteOtton ?
Ah. but your purpose in life to make charle.. ahem, .servants of God happy and full of money! Ah, look at those fine clothes and sparkling grins. You just know if you follow them you will get good health and then spend eternity with a being outside of time and space. Just like an imaginary friend! Oh...wait.
he gives you what you need.
DarkMatter2525, you have so many great videos that I think they can't possibly get any better. But you've truly outdone yourself. Thank you for all you do to make this world a more civilized and reasonable one. Much gratitude from Canada.
This reminds me of a conversation I had with a street preacher only a few weeks ago. I asked the guy who he loved more, his daughter or God. Without a moments hesitation he answered that he loved God a billion times more than he loved his own child because God was a billion times more powerful and a billion times bigger. The thing is his six year old daughter was standing right beside him listening to everything he said. She heard him say that he loved God most of all.
If she's been living with him, she'll probably love God too and think that's alright.
Oh well, at least a billion is an overcomable number
@@FireyDeath4 How can a six year old, or anyone of any age, love an invisible man in the sky who allows your kitten to be run over by a car? It seems more than a little creepy to me.
@@sananselmospacescienceodys7308 It sounds even creepier put that way :O
Christians are literally afraid to admit they love their spouse or child more than the god who they've never seen or heard even once. The dialogue that they DO claim to have with this god (through prayer and the Bible) is 100% dependant upon them trying to interpret their own abstract emotional sensations and feelings to decide exactly what this god is or isn't saying back to them. Unsurprisingly that response will ALWAYS conveniently reinforce whatever their pre-existing religious biases would prime them to assume this deity would expect of them.That's why believers in different religions from all over the world don't all get the same Judeo/Christian-reinforcing responses back when they pray, because when THEY think they are talking to "god" their interpretations of the deafening silence on the other end of the line will always just so happen to reinforce whatever divine response their own dogmatic biases (that are often completely at odds with those of Abrahamic religions) would prime them anticipate from their god in any given scenario. But one has to wonder how Christians could possibly tell us all these very specific details and flowery platitudes about the nature and priorities of this god because they will also claim that "Yahweh's ways are higher than ours so he can't be comprehended by human minds" whenever they find it convenient, which is to say it's exclusively recited as a form of damage control whenever someone scrutinizes any of the countless examples of mutually exclusive logic, factual errors, or contradictions found all throughout the Bible. These sorts of objective criticisms prompt the fundamentalist Judeo/Christian believers to selectively remember this passage only so they can temporarily invoke it as an emergency conversation stopper in lieu of actually having to unpack these problematic areas of their dogma themselves until they can return again to the safety of their uncritical echo chamber of flowery platitudes where they will promptly forget about their selectively invoked "uncomprehendable god" narrative once they've returned to their usual life of lecturing everyone about all these very specific characteristics and desires of as well as countless specific details about this god who was supposed to be unknowable and uncomprehendable to human minds, but not only do they know a bunch of unknowable trivia about him, they actually claim to have a deep, personal, loving relationship with this completely silent and undetectable deity which supposedly greatly surpasses the love they share with their spouse or children. I think if they could actually be honest about things they would have to admit they are just afraid to admit that they could ever love their family as much as this blood magic deity because there isn't a subtle possibility that their family might possibly torture them for eternity for not putting them as their #1 love interest.
I struggle to understand how being larger in size or more capable makes a being more loveable. Does he also love The Rock more than his daughter?
A relationship with God sounds like a relationship with a child's imaginary friend.
Leaving aside the exposure the Trump Presidency & the pandemic gave to the less savory sorts who follow these teachings, the fact that a lot of behavioral quirks & personality traits associated with ideological zealotry are associated with mental illness in pretty much any other context also played a part in me leaving
"I can makes something sound ridiculous by using a bland common-as-mud simile, therefore the out-group is dumb and the in-group is humble and smart!" Looks like I did what you had just done.
Except that imaginary friend doesn’t get to tell me who I can be with or what I do with my body
A lot worse, actually. So many rules and regulations that don't coincide with the best interests of most people. If anything, a masochistic , egotistical imaginary friend.
Wow! Just perfect! Thank you as always
I love your content too! So cool to see us flocking to the same people. Found u thru Prophet of Zod & another podcast AWATF, I think. Keep up the good work.
@@hopalongheidiappreciate that big time!
I had relationships with mice, they only live about two years, it was hard to watch my most special one named Unique die. Time felt so unfair that day.
if you want pain, try rats next time.
bro I love your videos I grew up watching them. ever since I was 15, my whole life I've lived in a very legalistic home with cruel parents who put religion over school, mental health, or their relationship with me. It made me realize that nobody has it figured out, everyone is just desperately looking for a coping mechanism for death, Also Christians are some of the most self-centered egotistical and arrogant people I have ever known and have made it their goal to make me feel guilty for existing or feel like a piece of shit for wanting to enjoy my life and not be bound by meaningless restrictions that limit my experiences in this short life span I have to live. Thank you, dark matter, for making these videos they have helped me better understand reality and see it in new perspectives and I'm so grateful for that.
No loving Father would say his children are born unworthy. That's a horrible unloving Father.
These days Fathers (Mothers and guardians) look forward to being with their children.
So too are children now not in fear of their Father's return! Gone are those outdated beliefs of the 50's 60's 70's and long before that. We worked out that fearing our Father and believing we are unworthy from those abusive Fathers, is outdated and wrong. They were mistaken.
This video is pure gold in logic form, thank you.
I was telling this exact argument with this exact analogy to my religious friends a few weeks ago:
"If a God does not exists, Atheists are right and religious people are wrong, if a God DOES exist, Atheists are wrong and religious people are wrong, because any being complex enough to create this vast universe will be so advanced that not even the brightest human mind will ever be able to comprehend, the difference between our brain and the brain of such a God would be like the difference between our brain and that of an ant, no matter how hard an ant tries, it'll never be able to understand what that computer is, it may have theories, such as a large hot glowing rock, but any theories it has, are by definition wrong, simply because it's an ant."
Do we need full understanding to have a relationship with someone? I think it's the quality of information and not the quantity that's vital when it comes to relationships. Quality information such as how someone relates to us, and how to communicate with them. We know how God relates to us He is beyond us, our creator, and the creator of everything. Moreover, we know how to communicate with God be it through prayer, the sacraments, and worship. Though instead of verbal communication as symbols, it's an emotional expression that dwells in the spiritual. The point is you don't need full understanding to have a relationship with someone, you just need the necessary information.
the irony is in the fact, that you couldn't explain it like that if god would be like you imagined
you outplayed yourself if you understand what I mean
@@theintelligentmilkjug944To have a relationship with someone, you need to have two-way communication with them. Yet no god ever answers anyone, ever. You don't have a relationship with god if god doesn't talk back to you.
@@Multi_Purpose_Weirdo I disagree, God communicates with us using our subconscious emotions as symbols. In other words the Holy Spirit steers something up inside of us, and we comprehend God's meaning of that moment.
@@theintelligentmilkjug944 How can you distinguish that from your own feelings and imagination? Pretty sure you can't, but if you',re right you just have to show me that it's true and not entirely based on wishful thinking and confirmation bias.
Thanks you Darkmatter. I've finally abandoned my faith. I was brought up in a very over-religious home where they believed they were the chosen few among the Christians and they were the ones going to heaven and the other Christians(catholic,baptist church,all other denominations except the Billy Graham one which I don't really know the name correct me if I'm wrong) taught lies.
I was really traumatised with the idea of hell and the afterlife.I was so so scared. I won't lie and say it just vanished but it is diminishing. I was afraid if I didn't believe in Jesus I'd be burnt or sent to a cold hell forever. I even lied to myself and others by telling them hell isn't a fiery place rather just a world where one is alone with his own inner torment due to his sins which again looking back at it is just as bad as the fiery hell.
It was just a cope tbh and it just led me into deeper despair.
I really really wish I didn't know any of this and just lived a life without religious indoctrination.
Thanks for listening.
(About my account; I ran a biblical channel for Christians, well mostly for money 😂but yeah I'm not really a Christian myself now. I've struggled with it long enough it's time to give it up)
dude, i genuinely don't mean to judge you and believe me i've done "things" in my life far worse that running a xtian channel.
BUT, isn't what you're doing dishonest? given how damaging and horrible that religion is I would suggest turning your platform around to teach (subtly) the horrors of this particular cult.
I really hope i did not offend you. my problem is with religion, not you.
You don't need to worry about burning. Hell is a place where you torment yourself with regret for the lies you're telling yourself now to calm your fears about it.
Relatable
Yeah, my parents thot Graham was sort of the Protestant pope
@@ChristianConspiratornice claim that you cannot prove 🙃
Figured out the premise at 2 minutes and 1 second.... blew my mind.
THANK YOU. Darkmatter2525 proving again why he is the top tier still.
A personal relationship means there's some form of communication. Only your imagination will say god talks to you and loves you.
In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 With these restrictions I guess nobody enters heaven. So we're all going to hell. Which in itself is immoral.
As long as one person is in hell, you can't possibly enjoy heaven.
@@MikeFean hello, im christian and i just want to say something based on ur comment, (I don't mean to convert you or change your mind in any way, I just want to give some insight). Your right, as human beings we wouldn't be able to get into heaven as we are imperfect, but thats where Jesus comes in. God knows we aren't perfect and knows that we aren't good at restricting ourselves from our desires which puts us in a impossible position to get to heaven. So as a way to make it possible, He gave His Son (Jesus) to die for our sins so that we'd be able to enter into heaven (think of it as a sacrafice for our wrong doings).
Another way of seeing it would be some one paying a fine for your wrong doings against the law so that you could go free without any crime, thats what Jesus did on the cross. The fact that God has made a way for us to get to heaven proves that he loves us enough that he wouldn't want us to go to hell.
I also want to state that God doesn't send people to hell because their imperfect, he sends people to hell who choose not to repent from their sinful/evil ways. I believe it would be immoral for a god to not punish those who have done others wrong if they do not self reflect and repent (as in being born again, which includes realizing what bad you've done to others/yourself and then living a Christ-like life as a result). I believe there are people in heaven, not because they were perfect but because they chose and allowed Jesus to take away the fine (sin).
One more thing, because the bible teaches us that every human being is imperfect, this includes christians as well. I've seen many christians misuse the bible against people, cherry-pick certain verses (instead of reading the whole chapter and understanding the entire context) and take every single thing in the bible literally (including the symbolism). Also, many people claim to be christian even though they don't live a christ-like life (people like this are prevelent from people who work in certain churchs/schools to even parents/relatives and friends). The bible specfically warns us (as christians) about this because its leads alot of people away from potentially getting saved (born again) and getting to know Jesus (if they choose to).
Lastly, the commenter above might be a bot, lol.
Anyways, thats what I believe in, just wanted to give you some insight.
@@MikeFeansays who? Would I have the right to live in your home forever just because I was good? No, heaven is a gods home and only he decides who enters and who doesn't. People who go there are not thinking much about those who end up in hell.
I love your videos, thank you for your work dark matter
Damn, you made me like my fellow man for a second. That's a heck of an achievement, the misanthrope that I am. You're eloquent af. Great video.
from existential crises to existential bliss. beautiful film friend .
Darkmatter has always been able to tap into such a profound introspection into how far off religious ideas are from what we actually experience in the real world. I can't even begin to express what a monumental impact these videos have done for me. It is mind boggling to stop and think about all existence in the way this video explains it without even trying to include a god. Thank you again for such an awe inspiring masterpiece that shines such a huge spotlight on how insignificant human beings are when we zoom out beyond our cosmic neighborhood. The arrogance one has to have in order to believe that if there was something out there capable of creating everything it would care about us more than everything else in the universe truly seems ridiculous. Especially when we think about it in the way this video explains.
This video meticulously shows human beings honestly have more in common with the ants than any God would have with us by many orders of magnitude.
The 4 decades I was a Christian really seemed like I was living my life blindfolded. Thank you for all you do!! It is a true testament to the human capacity to comprehend our existence at the true scale we are.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
Also, let's not forget that the people who claim to have a relationship with God have to redefine the word "relationship" to get it to fit. A person in a relationship with God can't tell me anything about God that isn't part of the religion that other people in relationships with him can all attast to. What's God's personality like? What are his habits and hobbies? What does he do? In what meaningful way can you describe your relationship with God as a relationship?
They call it a relationship because Jesus shifted the covenant from “Yahweh’s deal with Israel” to “Yahweh’s deals with each individual”. At the time, the new “personal god” religions were becoming more popular. The relationship in Christianity is very transactional: You proclaim some mumbo jumbo and Yahweh promises to not torture you forever. That’s really the extent of “the relationship” - it’s about as deep as the relationship you have with your auto insurance company.
@@AdrianBoyko yeah but even in the new testament, there's no mention of people having "personal relationships" with God or Jesus. That's like a modern thing.
@@davidhoffman6980 We can analyze the content of the bible and come to conclusions about its message that aren’t explicitly stated in the bible itself. Also note that catholics don’t rely only on what is written in the bible - they consider certain information passed down through the generations (in unwritten form) to be one of their sources.
"I do wtf my preacher tells me to do and think the voice in my head didn't come from inside my head. And I'm better than you." That's their personal relationship with God.
Cant believe i was indoctrinated to that bullshit, i am glad it took me so little time from infant to teenage years to completely obliterate the entire freaking religion out of my head, i hate my past self
This video showing how insignificant our lives are in the big scheme of things
Very eye opening
That's why we need to ENJOY THE RIDE while it lasts. No need for imaginary gods and spiritual thingies.😅
Not really eye opening as the "grand scheme of things" is pretty much irrelevant, ultimately.
@@protoborg depends on how you look at it
I could see this video strengthening a believer's conviction: "Despite everything, God still loves me!"
That's how I was when I was still in the soup.
@@davidconway6874 Had a feeling, yeah. I've seen this kind of justification a lot. Christians have a very difficult time with scope. It's one of the reasons the concept of their unsaved friends and loved ones in Hell doesn't do more than make them mildly uncomfortable.
"If it's not real it's below you. If it's real it's beyond you." I'm so glad I found this channel and others like it. Theists find it really annoying but having people who have the knowledge set to explain why all of this is so foolish is important. That said, I'm inclined to agree, this was among one the best videos made on the channel. Stay amazing
This video's formatting is incrediably more immersive. Would love to see more videos like this !
great vid, beautiful message at the end!
How do they not believe in the vastness of the cosmos?? They think it just…ends? Like what holds the universe then? A paper cup? And what’s outside of that? It’s impossible for it to be finite because something has to be outside of it to contain its finiteness
@@Emiliapocalypse maybe you haven't heard of hardcore xtian flerfs who believe space is *fake* and we live under a dome 🤣
I wouldn't be surprised if they think it's turtles all the way down.😂
[I encourage you to watch CC Chris (at your own risk!) He is the most amusingly irritatating. an oxy-moron,I know]
I understand that pain of familial rejection. It's hard! I wish you good luck on your healing journey ❤️
I watch enough AntsCanada to know what you were talking about.😂
I literally called out ants as you were giving the question.
lol. I’m scrolling to see if any ant enthusiasts want to tell us how much their pet ants mean to them. 😂
ANTSCANADA YES LOLOL
The reason arguments like this will never work is because cognitive dissonance will always keep believers from accepting reality. The response will always be, "Well you just don't understand my personal relationship with God."
It's real because they say it is, and that's all that matters to them. There is no way to use logic to get through to a group who prides themselves on being "faithful" when they're proven wrong so many times with basic logic.
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This is what manipulation and counter-indoctrination are for.
Clearly they pursue a relationship with God because they want to. If that's something you want to change, make them not want to
I’ve heard them say logic is the enemy
@@antinatalistwitch111 Christians: God gave you free-will. "Free-will? Of course I have free-will. I had no choice in the matter." - Christopher Hitchins
what worked for me over many years was initially i had many questions and doubts in Biblical justice. seeing amazing miricals and coincidences attributed to God was the primary reason keeping me a Christian. almost falling for a scam made me realise that i can be fooled.
i find it sad non-believers were never interested in deconverting me. would have saved me a few years.
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When I was a Christian, I learned that God is so majestic, that he is in the greatest as he is in the smallest of all things. So he can be with you individually and you can comprehend that part of God.
That was also the time when I started to realize that what I think of God is actually what I think of the universe.
This was a truly excellent and thought provoking video well done
Being a born again for eleven years told me in no uncertain terms that god wants nothing to do with me. Never did before, during, or after.
In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 I'm absolutely unclean...and have enjoyed my life to the utmost :)
@@jle4433 Ok so turn to Christ by repenting and believing in His good news to have your sins forggiven and not to go to the fiery pit but heaven instead
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Oh Christ, it's pointless arguing with a Christian. Listen, spread the gospel to someone else.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363Well even as an agnostic Christian, that would mean that even a baby who is born with sin as stated in Psalm 51:5 can go to hell for not accepting Christ as Lord and Savior.
The only verse that vaguely considers the possibility of babies going to heaven is 2 Samuel 12:23, but it does not mention about the baby explicitly going to heaven.
Thanks!
This is exactly what has bugged me the most about the concept of these omni-gods.
Their minds would be completely incomprehensible to us, it's sheer arrogance only humanity could conjure up to think they want to have, or are even capable of, any care for us, let alone having a relationship.
You mean it’d be like a more benevolent version of a Lovecraftian Horror?
@@lyokianhitchhiker All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
Its ironic how you think such a being would not be able to be known yet you claim you would know it as "they don't care about us" atheism is so weird lol
Phenomenal video. I love the analogies. I love the aspects of time and space you used to compare what we can calculate to what is beyond our understanding. Thank you.
D&D. I've thought about what it would be like if a god really existed, and Dungeons & Dragons is what I came up with. You've got clerics and paladins. You've got people who are in direct contact with their gods, who can perform literal miracles on demand, who can literally cast a spell to talk directly and publicly to their deity.
So I made my cleric a follower of Waukeen. He didn't spend his time chanting at the ceiling with his arms spread wide. He spent money. He worked for better pay for people, for a functioning and fair economy. Waukeen's temples became banks, operated by cleric clerks. When he visited a merchant, he wished _Blessings of Waukeen upon yourself and your establishment._ It became a bit of a running gag around the table, but Mallet Firesoul was a work-a-day religious man.
Just like how people don't lose their freaking mind in-game when someone throws a firebolt, a world with real gods in it would be unremarkable. We don't point and cower at the sight of airplanes, we don't fetch our sharpened flint-tipped spears and attack the iron horses that zip by outside our homes, and we (mostly) don't panic when the Sun suddenly goes dark in the middle of the day and declare it a Sign(tm). We call that Tuesday.
Perhaps the strongest evidence that gods don't exist is that: the people who believe in gods think miracles are amazing. We know miracles don't happen, we understand why people _think_ miracles happen and how people tell lies and make money off of miraculous claims; the only reason to think miracles are anything other than mundane occurrences are because they don't happen and believers need to pretend they're magical so they can feel reassured their imaginary friends are real.
Look at the lunatic in the video, carrying a loudspeaker and wearing a hoodie with "Trust Jesus" printed on it. If his god actually existed, he wouldn't need to be an obnoxious parasite like he is; his god could make itself known in a non-intrusive normal everyday fashion. Instead, it's so _fake_ that you have to mentally cripple someone to the point where their whole life revolves around being a nuisance.
My cleric didn't preach the Word of Waukeen. He didn't go around Inquisiting about people's investment portfolio. He didn't command people to trust that Waukeen's justice would ensure they get a fair wage some day in the afterlife. He did his job. His normal, everyday job. Which might've involved bashing some heads in when people tried to sell him into slavery for being a tiefling, but he only did it because a fair wage is better for the economy.
The gods of D&D are not omniscient, omnipotent, or omnipresent, as the 'gods' of our real-life monotheist religions are claimed to be. They were modeled after the Pagan gods, who were tutelary spirits - beings that could help you access to higher concepts, new ideas, and your own psychic potential. You could think of the tutelary spirit as the origin of your own psyche, and it is in a position to act 'like' god, but only in relation to your own life and personal evolution.
That is what the Pagan gods were to the Pagans, but its become very misinterpreted by modern people who've been so disconnected from them by the monotheisms. Anyway, it was interesting to see that you portrayed your character the way the Pagans did in our own history. If I were the DM, that would have been worth a major xp bonus for great roleplay.
@@YouDontKnowMeSoYouDontKnowJack No, Cletus, D&D is not my argument against god. My point was that if god really existed, believers would be more like my cleric. Prayer wouldn't be seen as some mystical magical special thing, it would be as common as rainfall. More common. Less special, in fact, because just like in D&D seeing a miracle would be mundane.
But well done utterly failing to understand the point of the video or my response, must take effort to be as brain-dead as you, cultyboy.
I haven't watched you in several years, but randomly found you in a David Pakman comments section. God, it feels so good to be back. Love you, man.
DarkMatter2525, this! True 'perspective'! This is your true genius. You literally are truly awesome. 👍🏿👏🏾💙💙💙🥰✌🏻
0:21 It would be the worst abusive relationship you could imagine.
“Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling” like a beaten dog.
Instead of a relationship with "god," focus on the relationships with fellow humans - because we truly need each other. Excellent video.
Exactly! It makes me SO SAD that so many people find prioritizing relationships with each other over some imaginary god as worthless. Seriously? If all you need is god, then why bother having family, friends or children at all? What's the point? Religious people need to explain why they bother with people. I need to understand.
But people will disapoint you. God won't
Sadly, it's sooo underrated video essay of yours! I love how your brain works
Wow, dark matter. This was beautiful. Thank you for sharing your genius with us. You've taught me a lot over the years.
I hope you're well,my friend.
The thought occurred to me that even IF there was a god/creator, there would be no way my puny, limited brain could even begin to comprehend said entity. So whether god exists or not, nothing would change, as I would have no way of knowing in either case.
That's when I became an atheist.
This is my favorite video of yours. Thank you so much.
This is one of the best video i've ever seen in my life probably this video changed my life forever despite being a non native english speaker i got the information he is giving. Thanks for posting this video!
I don't want a relationship with an abuser. In my case, the abuse is deliberately making me so defective that I'm guaranteed to suffer the relentless disabling agony of permanent loneliness and depression. My life is over. I'm already dead but I'm forced to survive. If I thought that freak was real, it would drive me insane with rage. The only suitable punishment for that level of evil would be reincarnation as me.
God is good, loving, and considerate. God can save us just by believing in him. No works and no obligation to go to church even though it is recommended.
God wants to save us, and that is exactly why Jesus Christ died on the cross.
What saddens me most is when faced with these facts, a lot of people simply turn away from facts at large. I've never met a flat earther who was an atheist. I've never met a space denialist who didn't do so for non-religious reasons. In order to calm the dissonance they feel with reality and what they think reality is, they just blow off reality. And I can't even blame them. That just seems to be a part of human nature. But it does make me very sad.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 I'm sure you really think that nonsense means something. Good for you.
I am so close, I may look distant.
So completely mixed with you, I may look separate.
So out in the open, I appear hidden.
So silent, because I am constantly talking with you.
- Rumi
In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 show me a person who has sinned
@@NomadicNirvana420 Have you ever lied, desired something that belongs to someone else, stolen anything (big or small), used God’s Name in vain, been sexually immoral like looking with lust, watching poor, fornicating (premarital sex), had unforgiveness, hated someone, disrespected your parents, insulted someone or gossiped about someone, had evil thoughts. If you’ve sinned once you need to repent today and Believe in the good news of Jesus Christ.
Romans 3: 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 that's a verse from a book that does not pass the CRAAP test.
@@TheXIIWizard God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, and evil Spirits the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.
Beautifully done video! I absolutely love your work. Sharing it with everyone! Also, I LOVE ants and am so happy you featured them in this!
Fuck yeah the wait is over!!!
Wow. Another masterpiece from Darkmatter. Well done, good and noble sir.
Well done.
Incredible! This is what I wanted make someone I know understand. I was going to write up an essay but I can just share this video with them.
This video isn't as convincing as you think it is. God created people to have relationships with us, but we didn't create ants to have relationships with them.
@@freshrockpapa-e7799 Even if we were meant to have a relationship with God, how would that even work? Like our minds are so small compared to God, it would be like a human trying to have a meaningful relationship with an amoeba.
@@waspoppin4784 What does it matter the proportion? A Dog can have emotions and show a connection can't it? And people can too, why wouldn't we be able to have a relationship when we literally have relationships between ourselves? An amoeba can't have relationships with us but they can't even among themselves because they lack emotions, we don't. Your whole reasoning is absurd.
@@freshrockpapa-e7799 The proportion would matter. Imagine if you were aware of the entire universe, why would you want to have a relationship with a human.
@@freshrockpapa-e7799 I disagree. It is just missing that people are driven by their reward systems to seek out food, sleep, and look for companionships. Mental states with regards to our reward system are why we do things and even do nasty things to people. If so, God would need to have a well balanced mental state to be driven to create and have relationships and be as benevolent as it is suggested he is. With the vastness of space as such in the video I would doubt God would have a drive to make an incredible small habital planet just for us.
You are projecting, the arguments for God you have heard aren't as convincing as you think, they are all emotional driven as such humans needs for relationship and to have a protector guardian as we need when we are children.
İ have nothing significant to add, just wanted to say that i really love your videos! Thanks for all the enjoyment and validation!
16:16 😂
The rooster was like "Who's the chicken now?!"
😂😂😂😂my ribs
Excellent. Thank you. Let’s hope more people will get the message eventually.
"If life is to exist in a universe of this size, one thing it cannot afford to have is a sense of proportion."
-Douglas Adams
Oh my goodness! I usually don't comment, but that was amazing and inspiring. Thank you! I really needed that from one of my fellow atheists today. I appreciate your work sir. Please don't ever stop. We need you too.💯🌟😎❤️
This one. This should be taught in school, it's so on point, it has such flow and structure. Awesome. Impactful. Thought-provoking. Thank you.
And so true. This self-important mentality is everywhere in theist arguments, like when they talk about evolution as if they weren't just a step in it, but the perfected end result.
And at the core there is the question that never gets an adequate explanation: why would an entity of cosmic proportions suddenly show interest in a handful of nomadic goat-herders on a backwater planet in the edge of one of the hundred billions of galaxies it created?
Especially around the same time when the Babylonian Empire, the Medo-Persian Empire, the Roman Empire, the Ancient Egyptian civilization, the Chinese Han Dynasty, the Indus Valley Civilization, or the Maya Civilization also existed. I mean, if an omnipotent being wanted to build a relationship with humans for some mysterious reasons, any of those empires would have been a better choice, right?
I have always said, if I die and find out that it's exactly like the bible said, and there's a heaven and a hell and a God and Satan and the whole literal shabang, all of it turns out to be real.... I will WEEP in despair. I want my reality to mean something bigger than me, bigger than our stories and our perceptions. If there is an Almighty, he better so far beyond knowable that it is literally incomprehensible.
My god would necessarily be far, far greater than your God. This idea burns up a lot of Christians, that I have a greater and more powerful God. And I don't even believe in him.
I actually saw the frame and just thought it was YT fucking up, as it sometimes does with video feeds lol
I saw the frame too and wondered if it was important.
It was a snow covered street at night. I made several passes at .25x but couldn't manage to screenshot it
If only I had keep watching instead of trying to investigate 🤣🤣
@@liegeoflunacy if you are on desktop, you can tap the period key ( . ) and the comma key ( , ) to move 1 frame forward or back, I hope this helps for future investigations :P