9:10 Superman and Captain Marvel (I think she was still calling herself Ms Marvel around this time) have actually fought before, canonically, in JLA/Avengers. It wasn't a long fight, Superman speed blitzed.
You're more than welcome to bro, I posted it publically on TierMaker for anyone to use. tiermaker.com/create/127-popular-power-scaling-characters--17450347 ^Heres the link. I add characters every now and then when I think of more
I think Kratos scaling above Superman makes sense. The gods in DC comics like Zeus are more powerful than Superman. And while the scaling isn’t direct between gods in Dc and god of war. Still hard to ignore Kratos soloing all the same gods. Which Superman could not.
injustice superman could not new 52 was impressed by rebirth superman. hard to say if the prime superman could fight the gods as there is no showings of it he massivly outscled injustice superman though.
Current superman is outerversal in base easy and high outer with amps. case in point he 1 tapped forger while amped he is at least high outerversal he also destroyed forgers multiverse which scales realy high as well to all creation.. next he negged antilife and it was implaied for it to even work he needed to be weakend as he was hit with prismantic kryptionite in darknights mettal...this si all existance level wipe antilife equation.. he fight bizzaro who fights superman affter he absorbs magic of creation and he hits superman many times with this and superman negs it even neggs geting forzen with this magic..Bazzro then with this level of magic amps it more with 6 artifacts and casts it on earth with superman being the prime target and superman fights off a magical body take over of that level of magic so beyond creation level. says in new 52 he can wipe the phantom zone which is a outerversal realm beyond the concpet of time and space. new 52 he fights phantom stranger kind of and make him bleed with a punch and then shatters his body showing he has the ap to harm that level. Phantom stanger has fought spector to a stand still and spector is by showings = to the living tribuna in marvel dc cross overl. currently superman is considered the concept of hope and has even beaten true form darksied 2 times as well.. Thor his bas form lost to superman and that was decided by both marvel and dc writers. so Anos, The living tribunal captian mavel and zeno as well as azin should be in the catagory of getting beaten and as for the odin force thor magic is not doing anything and cosmic energy as of warworld he can absorb it all the way up to the source which is the very power the god of dc uses, he has also in dark crises absorbed a whole poket universe worth of crises energy or the neggative side of the source. I dont like your list as it is not up to date or even close to what superman is hitting at in current scaling. Superman has also beaten death and is stated to be the center of all story in dc as well as the concept of hope.. CUrent thor run he is getting weapons and magic though tests to fight the uthguard and they too are concepts so far he cant even hurt them and in his last fight he needed storm GOSL or god of stories loki and beta ray bill all helping and best they did was a tempory banish. Right now he is going to tests to get weapons to even fight a concept. Hulk his narritve is on the same level as superman taht to me is a tie. Current thor loses untill I see he can at least beat a uthguard and then that too to me would be a tie. As far as I know the concept of hope is a more powerful concept then that of a concepet of a god in fiction. DC right now is going though one of them nerffing points and the only way to beat superman and make it legit a win was to combo 3 big powers failsafe amazo and brainic queen. this gave it all of the weaknessess of every hero in DC and instead of the amazo only copying the powers they will take them and they were abel to steal like half of supermans power or more but it seems to be like Rogues power as they also take on the morality and thinking of the hero they take from in some compacity. SO far it is good as right now i am sure superman is not going to jsut sun dip and that be it. Basicly I have many many disagreements.
4:56 nah I don't have Superman losing to alien X at all, Reality warping resistance and theirs a feat of him holding together the multiverse with nothing but his bare hands in Mr myxzptlk Superman also Beat Darkseid, Darkseid who created a multiversal black hole, Who's omega beams Harmed the spectre Alien X isn't moving faster than Superman either his Omnipresence is restricted to the physical universe its not like he's traveling Outerversal distances or anything like that
I admit to not watching the full video after I started to think Superman was being downplayed!😅 But, for instance, the fact that Gojo is tied with Superman I think is one of the most egregious examples. And I say that as someone who recently got into JJK and loves the crap out of Gojo. But Superman would exterminate him. The same Superman that lifted a book of infinite pages, can move from one galaxy to the next in a few minutes, hold a black hole in his hand, destroy a multiverse with one punch? (you might disagree with some of these feats, fans interpret them differently, but these are my views). I haven't seen Gojo do anything even slightly comparable to any of that. (I am an anime only though so please don't spoil the manga for me! I've already been spoiled plenty by accident 😒). Other example include Adam Warlock. When Adam has the infinity gauntlet on I understand, but you didn't clarify that, and Adam only had the gauntlet available to him during one story line, as the Living Tribunal quickly pressured him to separate the gems (I'm also a major Warlock fan!). Some others I disagree with include Alien X, Firestorm, Thor and so on. But I acknowledge I only played the beginning of the video so none of my views on your analysis are incredibly solid :)
You presented this tier list rlly well IMO but I strongly disagree with some picks!!! To me, Gojo's placement is WAY too high, Aizen loses high dif, Beerus is too low (Narratively he is WAY above Cell), Juggernaut seems too high, and Iron man being next to Kenpachi and Ichigo is pretty wild to me
DC and Marvel cosmology >> DBS Cosmology, at least for now. I've heard people claim DBS cosmology is also complex multiversal + but I haven't been able to find any consistent lines of scaling that get it there IMO
@@ProfessorPhilosoraptor Yes DB is at most high complex multiversal.. 1 universe in DC is easy to get to high hyperversal and the multiverse to outerversal.
Im honestly Surprised Molecule Man Owen Reece isnt on the list when The Beyonder is Also in the Gurren Lagann ending they werent throwing around Galaxies, those were universes (its just that representing a universe in an illustration is kinda hard so the Galaxy shape was chosen) Another Detail is that Captain Atom and other radiation manipulators could just use Kryptonite Radiation to kill him instead of red sun radiation to weaken him
16:03 even if I was using Consistent Universal+ Low Multiversal Superman Feats I would say hulk still loses by speed and hax, He's not out ranging Superman because heat vision He's not matching the flash in terms of speed ( And before you say silver surfer no I don't got Norrin being faster than flash ) also Superman can bfr the hulk to the phantom zone, Yea the hulk can punch a hole through reality but the phantom zone doesn't give you a material body
Hulk definitely would have a hard time tagging superman, but I wouldn't say superman should be able to use the phantom zone projector in this fight (even if he could easily fly and grab it before hulk notices lol). I think for this fight I was considering it more like a slug match as opposed to a battle where BFR is an option, so that's a fair point. Although I don't know how I feel about hulk being unable to touch superman (speed wise). Like, superman for sure takes hits from characters who are consistently slower than hulk (doomsday, kalibak, etc). There is def a lot of doubt, these matchups can be pretty dubious. I think I need to more clearly define the conditions of the battles when I go over them
@simondagoat10 Nah he's been stronger than silver age, He's been stronger ever since he fought black Adam cause silver age couldn't harm the spectre but black Adam Punches a hole through him Especially in Lois and Clark #1 cause he flat out beat anti monitor in that comic
14:13 First and foremost I got Superman beating gojo very badly, Your essentially putting a universe infront of you to protect you from Superman of all people He's shattered reality numerous times matter of fact Pre crisis Superman broke infinity with his speed Superman Raced the flash to the dark multiverse so I know gojo is losing immediately
@@energymasterj7481 It specifically said infinite space, That's a universe... Seriously people identify what's in front of you, Also He resisted time hax as well
@@simondagoat10 doesn't make Superman himself high outer though like just stop the cap and you assuming someone doesn't read comics just cause someone picked an anime character 😂 like go sit yo nerdy ass down somewhere. Simone sht stomps Superman.
@@ProfessorPhilosoraptor warlock yes dormamu i dont know where he scales. A sun amped superman 1 shotted forger who is = to antimonitor or high outerversal to many. base he has many resistances that hit all creation/existance in DC.
Wow what a list and video so ill say that no one here "low diffs" superman. The only ones to be in the conversation to "Mid diff" superman is Beyonder, TOBA hulk, and like 3 others. If the character has not been shown to effect outerversal beings then they can not win. Also there would not be so many "high diffs" only like 10. "Creation level" means nothing if superman can hit them hard enough to erase their universe.
do you scale superman to outerversal? Do you use Crisis feats for that? I don't know if I've really heard a superman outerversal claim before, curious what you think
@ProfessorPhilosoraptor I do have superman at outerversal in pre crisis by him dealing with Mr mxyzptlk and in post crisis dealing with soulfire darkseid and ripping apart death apart after it tries effecting superman.
@@ProfessorPhilosoraptor Current superman is outerversal it started right affter doomsday clock as well he litterly stated in tha run he could wipe the phantom zone and he punched braince made the punch hit though all realitys and all versions of him he also made phantom strnger bleed with a punch and shattered his body and SF darksieds body as well. Him 1 tapping forger while amped means he has high outer+ as he also smashes world forgers multivers at the same time he KOed him.. later forger is killed by barbaitos and in his base for he kos this same barbitos that said barbaitos might have been weakend as he was chained and locked to the dark multiverse.
I agreed with a lot of the characters. The tied characters definitely make sense as well. Where did you get that Tier List from?
you should do Aizen vs fiction just to see who all can definitively get through kyokasuigetsu
9:10 Superman and Captain Marvel (I think she was still calling herself Ms Marvel around this time) have actually fought before, canonically, in JLA/Avengers. It wasn't a long fight, Superman speed blitzed.
Do you mind if i use this tier list
You're more than welcome to bro, I posted it publically on TierMaker for anyone to use.
tiermaker.com/create/127-popular-power-scaling-characters--17450347
^Heres the link. I add characters every now and then when I think of more
I think Kratos scaling above Superman makes sense. The gods in DC comics like Zeus are more powerful than Superman. And while the scaling isn’t direct between gods in Dc and god of war. Still hard to ignore Kratos soloing all the same gods. Which Superman could not.
injustice superman could not new 52 was impressed by rebirth superman. hard to say if the prime superman could fight the gods as there is no showings of it he massivly outscled injustice superman though.
Current superman is outerversal in base easy and high outer with amps. case in point he 1 tapped forger while amped he is at least high outerversal he also destroyed forgers multiverse which scales realy high as well to all creation.. next he negged antilife and it was implaied for it to even work he needed to be weakend as he was hit with prismantic kryptionite in darknights mettal...this si all existance level wipe antilife equation.. he fight bizzaro who fights superman affter he absorbs magic of creation and he hits superman many times with this and superman negs it even neggs geting forzen with this magic..Bazzro then with this level of magic amps it more with 6 artifacts and casts it on earth with superman being the prime target and superman fights off a magical body take over of that level of magic so beyond creation level. says in new 52 he can wipe the phantom zone which is a outerversal realm beyond the concpet of time and space. new 52 he fights phantom stranger kind of and make him bleed with a punch and then shatters his body showing he has the ap to harm that level. Phantom stanger has fought spector to a stand still and spector is by showings = to the living tribuna in marvel dc cross overl. currently superman is considered the concept of hope and has even beaten true form darksied 2 times as well.. Thor his bas form lost to superman and that was decided by both marvel and dc writers. so Anos, The living tribunal captian mavel and zeno as well as azin should be in the catagory of getting beaten and as for the odin force thor magic is not doing anything and cosmic energy as of warworld he can absorb it all the way up to the source which is the very power the god of dc uses, he has also in dark crises absorbed a whole poket universe worth of crises energy or the neggative side of the source. I dont like your list as it is not up to date or even close to what superman is hitting at in current scaling. Superman has also beaten death and is stated to be the center of all story in dc as well as the concept of hope.. CUrent thor run he is getting weapons and magic though tests to fight the uthguard and they too are concepts so far he cant even hurt them and in his last fight he needed storm GOSL or god of stories loki and beta ray bill all helping and best they did was a tempory banish. Right now he is going to tests to get weapons to even fight a concept. Hulk his narritve is on the same level as superman taht to me is a tie. Current thor loses untill I see he can at least beat a uthguard and then that too to me would be a tie. As far as I know the concept of hope is a more powerful concept then that of a concepet of a god in fiction. DC right now is going though one of them nerffing points and the only way to beat superman and make it legit a win was to combo 3 big powers failsafe amazo and brainic queen. this gave it all of the weaknessess of every hero in DC and instead of the amazo only copying the powers they will take them and they were abel to steal like half of supermans power or more but it seems to be like Rogues power as they also take on the morality and thinking of the hero they take from in some compacity. SO far it is good as right now i am sure superman is not going to jsut sun dip and that be it. Basicly I have many many disagreements.
Man I love your tier lists ❤
His tier list is mid tier now it's low tier. No way he got Thor above Sentry and Gojo above Lord Beerus
4:56 nah I don't have Superman losing to alien X at all, Reality warping resistance and theirs a feat of him holding together the multiverse with nothing but his bare hands in Mr myxzptlk Superman also Beat Darkseid, Darkseid who created a multiversal black hole, Who's omega beams Harmed the spectre Alien X isn't moving faster than Superman either his Omnipresence is restricted to the physical universe its not like he's traveling Outerversal distances or anything like that
Love this
Ok never mind I think you're badly downplaying Superman, but still cool video
Why.
@@wadegittleson1317 curious, which matchups do you think I downplay him for?
I admit to not watching the full video after I started to think Superman was being downplayed!😅 But, for instance, the fact that Gojo is tied with Superman I think is one of the most egregious examples. And I say that as someone who recently got into JJK and loves the crap out of Gojo. But Superman would exterminate him. The same Superman that lifted a book of infinite pages, can move from one galaxy to the next in a few minutes, hold a black hole in his hand, destroy a multiverse with one punch? (you might disagree with some of these feats, fans interpret them differently, but these are my views). I haven't seen Gojo do anything even slightly comparable to any of that. (I am an anime only though so please don't spoil the manga for me! I've already been spoiled plenty by accident 😒). Other example include Adam Warlock. When Adam has the infinity gauntlet on I understand, but you didn't clarify that, and Adam only had the gauntlet available to him during one story line, as the Living Tribunal quickly pressured him to separate the gems (I'm also a major Warlock fan!).
Some others I disagree with include Alien X, Firestorm, Thor and so on. But I acknowledge I only played the beginning of the video so none of my views on your analysis are incredibly solid :)
You presented this tier list rlly well IMO but I strongly disagree with some picks!!! To me, Gojo's placement is WAY too high, Aizen loses high dif, Beerus is too low (Narratively he is WAY above Cell), Juggernaut seems too high, and Iron man being next to Kenpachi and Ichigo is pretty wild to me
Lol it's hard to do a worse ranking 😂
Superman slams all of them and this guy wants Adam Warlock high 😂
Since you don't know the scaling for Yhwach, I'll give it to you: he wrecks Superman. Not even relatively close fight.
7:56 Lord Beerus stumps Superman no way you put Alien X, Anos, and Apocalypse above Beerus.
Beerus is the god of Destruction of one universe, Alien X can literally recreate the universe if it wants. I dont get why youd thing hes below him
DC and Marvel cosmology >> DBS Cosmology, at least for now. I've heard people claim DBS cosmology is also complex multiversal + but I haven't been able to find any consistent lines of scaling that get it there IMO
@@ProfessorPhilosoraptor Yes DB is at most high complex multiversal.. 1 universe in DC is easy to get to high hyperversal and the multiverse to outerversal.
Bro Gojo isn't above any DBZ characters wth!!! He ain't getting past the namek saga
Saiyan* tbh
Gojo is too slooooow to do anything
0:58 of video
As I'm watching this I'm assuming your using High end Superman? Or consistent average power level Superman
generally high end I'd say
@@ProfessorPhilosoraptor you are not using high end more liek 20-30 years ago form what i see.
Is this current superman?
yea, composite for like everything post-crisis
Im honestly Surprised Molecule Man Owen Reece isnt on the list when The Beyonder is
Also in the Gurren Lagann ending they werent throwing around Galaxies, those were universes (its just that representing a universe in an illustration is kinda hard so the Galaxy shape was chosen)
Another Detail is that Captain Atom and other radiation manipulators could just use Kryptonite Radiation to kill him instead of red sun radiation to weaken him
Molelcule man is a good add, I'll add him to my tier list. Thanks!
Idk all of his lore but isn't ghost rider like a galactic level threat? How Is he getting mid diffed?
16:03 even if I was using Consistent Universal+ Low Multiversal Superman Feats I would say hulk still loses by speed and hax, He's not out ranging Superman because heat vision He's not matching the flash in terms of speed ( And before you say silver surfer no I don't got Norrin being faster than flash ) also Superman can bfr the hulk to the phantom zone, Yea the hulk can punch a hole through reality but the phantom zone doesn't give you a material body
Hulk definitely would have a hard time tagging superman, but I wouldn't say superman should be able to use the phantom zone projector in this fight (even if he could easily fly and grab it before hulk notices lol). I think for this fight I was considering it more like a slug match as opposed to a battle where BFR is an option, so that's a fair point.
Although I don't know how I feel about hulk being unable to touch superman (speed wise). Like, superman for sure takes hits from characters who are consistently slower than hulk (doomsday, kalibak, etc). There is def a lot of doubt, these matchups can be pretty dubious. I think I need to more clearly define the conditions of the battles when I go over them
Lol it's amazo from justice league and he destroyed supes with zero effort!!
6:01 I don't have Superman beating anos either, He Still broken the shell of totality with Martain manhunter and beaten barbatos
Anos can't do a thing to Superman he's not even as strong as Imperiex
@@simondagoat10 :/ Ironically yea, I pretty much agree
@@highlevelproductions9742 Ever since Doomsday clock Superman has become pretty much his silver age self where he's nigh-omnipotent
@simondagoat10 Nah he's been stronger than silver age, He's been stronger ever since he fought black Adam cause silver age couldn't harm the spectre but black Adam Punches a hole through him Especially in Lois and Clark #1 cause he flat out beat anti monitor in that comic
14:13 First and foremost I got Superman beating gojo very badly, Your essentially putting a universe infront of you to protect you from Superman of all people He's shattered reality numerous times matter of fact Pre crisis Superman broke infinity with his speed Superman Raced the flash to the dark multiverse so I know gojo is losing immediately
He not putting a universe in front of him! Why do people think that, you just infinitely slow down when approaching him
@@energymasterj7481 It specifically said infinite space, That's a universe... Seriously people identify what's in front of you, Also He resisted time hax as well
Did you really say Superman can beat anti spiral or Simone hig diff lol that's asinine
He beats them low diff and I'm a sttgl fan
@@simondagoat10 cap
@@aaramchase3502 Pick up a comic book a DC universe is high outerversal
@@simondagoat10 doesn't make Superman himself high outer though like just stop the cap and you assuming someone doesn't read comics just cause someone picked an anime character 😂 like go sit yo nerdy ass down somewhere. Simone sht stomps Superman.
Cause I got high end Superman beating most of them tbh you can argue pre retcon beyonder
what are high - high end feats for superman? Do you think you're getting him above dormamu, adam warlock, etc?
@@ProfessorPhilosoraptor warlock yes dormamu i dont know where he scales. A sun amped superman 1 shotted forger who is = to antimonitor or high outerversal to many. base he has many resistances that hit all creation/existance in DC.
Wow what a list and video so ill say that no one here "low diffs" superman. The only ones to be in the conversation to "Mid diff" superman is Beyonder, TOBA hulk, and like 3 others. If the character has not been shown to effect outerversal beings then they can not win. Also there would not be so many "high diffs" only like 10. "Creation level" means nothing if superman can hit them hard enough to erase their universe.
do you scale superman to outerversal? Do you use Crisis feats for that? I don't know if I've really heard a superman outerversal claim before, curious what you think
@ProfessorPhilosoraptor I do have superman at outerversal in pre crisis by him dealing with Mr mxyzptlk and in post crisis dealing with soulfire darkseid and ripping apart death apart after it tries effecting superman.
@@ProfessorPhilosoraptor Current superman is outerversal it started right affter doomsday clock as well he litterly stated in tha run he could wipe the phantom zone and he punched braince made the punch hit though all realitys and all versions of him he also made phantom strnger bleed with a punch and shattered his body and SF darksieds body as well.
Him 1 tapping forger while amped means he has high outer+ as he also smashes world forgers multivers at the same time he KOed him.. later forger is killed by barbaitos and in his base for he kos this same barbitos that said barbaitos might have been weakend as he was chained and locked to the dark multiverse.
lol,dude take Aizen and cap marvel above Superman,and Gojo is tie meh
Wassup, If you have Streamyards I'd be more than happy
not sure what that is
@@ProfessorPhilosoraptor Superman beats every anime character
6:38 It was During Lois and Clark #1 anti monitor lost to the justice league at a point