Moog Subsequent 37 // Long term review
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
- After 2,5 years I felt the time was right to make my 'long term review' of the Moog Subsequent 37.
This won't be a full review with all the ins and outs (there are enough of those videos already) but it will give you some insight in how I make use of the Subsequent 37.
I will try to explain what I like about it and what I like less and also how I'm using it most of the time.
If you are in the market for getting one, make sure you watch this video. It's 10 minutes well spent (if I say so myself) and hopefully gives you a bit if information that could help you in your buying decision.
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Chapters :
00:00 Intro
00:14 Disclaimers
00:34 My journey so far
01:14 What I like
03:34 What I like less
06:08 Alternatives
07:37 Conclusion
Tags :
#moog #subsequent #review
Very helpful _and_ entertaining review, thanks! One thing you didn’t mention and thus might try out if you haven’t; I also play my bass _through_ the S37 at gigs which is doubly entertaining for the audience. What’s great, of course, is being able to break into lead lines or duophonic support for the keyboardist (or whomever is soloing), but the ability to process external input is also a major win for the S37!
*NOTE* : When I’m feeling _really_ ambitious, my rig is: fretless bass -> S37 -> MFX pedal -> PA + upright (electric and/or acoustic) -> compressor & EQ rig -> PA (sometimes combining both through a mixer for additional FX prior to PA)… but sometimes I just gotta run straight to house!
Thanks! Yeah, amazing. How do you keep the amp envelope open, so the input is passed through? I tried when I first got the S37 but failed and never took the time to experiment more
@@tricks-and-tips apologies for delayed response! The quick’n’easy answer is to just hit the Latch under the Release knob in the Amplifier section. That said, it can be a bit fiddly to get working right (or at all!), especially if you have “POT MODE” set to “THRU” (which, I believe is the default). Moog really wants you to twiddle them knobs and doing so can usually get you unstuck!
@@mrdavies7894no problem. I just have to experiment more.
BTW, using the audio in is just the beginning. You can plug into any of the CV inputs to get interesting results, or plug an instrument into the Audio In and, say, a drum machine into the Filler CV input for something more immediately useful. I don’t know what all circuitry Moog use for those inputs but they’re super beefy and super flexible.
@@mrdavies7894 Oh nice.
Sounds like something I have to try one day!
lovely loking forward to getting one soon.
Nice 😊😊😊
Very good 👍🏽 love this keyboard
@@marcusholder495 Thanks. Me too!
Great sounds. I appreciate you putting together the review and demo.
Thanks 🙏🏻
Nice video. I use the source audio collider pedal alongside mine. It has a small footprint and gives quick access to great sound reverb and delay together. Also with presets. It makes a nice 37 companion.
Thanks 🙏🏻
Yeah, match made in heaven 😎
Thanks for your video. Very nice to read your review. And nice music too :-) The S37 is my next synth :-)
Thanks man.
Sounds good :)
Great review 👍👏👏🎶
Thanks man. Too bad they have gone up in price so much. Almost feels bad to recommend it these days
I have my S37 now for about 1 year. Most time (99%) I work DAW-less (just jamming for my own pleasure). As for me I like synths with "a function per knob" capability. And that it´s why the S37 is an important synth in my setup (and of course because the fabulous sound). Adding effects is imho one of the secrets of sonic painting. I've started with a less expensive NUX Atlantic (stereo in/out, reverb, delay) that did a pretty good job (now a Chase Bliss Mood is working with the S37). I know there are alternatives available, e.g. the Sequential Pro 2 oder Pro 3, but the S37 is still a beauty (and will be kept in my setup) ... and it´s a Moog (in best tradition).
Yeah exactly. Nothing beats grabbing that knob that does what is should do.
And FX are needed indeed, for me too.
Never considered the Mood for the S37, but I have the Source Audio Collider, which I also love a lot!
I’m looking for a chorus pedal maybe. One that does not eat up all the low end.
Great review, thanks. You do a good job of coaxing nice sounds from the S37.
I was surprised you didn’t mention the Pro 3 as an alternative … You did’t consider it, at all?
Thanks. I bought my S37 before the P3 came out. But it’s a great synth for sure. At the time of introduction it was much more expensive than the S37, so I was not that interested for myself.
I love my 37 too. Great video! I like to run mine through a eventide space pedal or sometime I just use reason's rv7000.
Thanks man. Yeah, the rv7000 is lovely with the S37!
Nice video! I picked up the Subsequent 37 a little under a year ago and like it a lot. It lives in my studio, and I also have a Bass Station 2 for the practice space and to gig with. You're right, if you're on a budget, or want to keep it lighter, the BS2 is a really good alternative. It's seriously a crazy good value monosynth for the price. I will say though, that while there is a ton of overlap between them, they each have their place and own sonic palette, and I enjoy them both for different reasons. Also as you stated, since it's so heavy (and expensive) I'm not sure I want to gig with the Moog. It's a little like owning an expensive car- it's an experience to drive it, but I want to keep it clean and only take it out for special occasions. It'll also hold its value really well. Btw, I also play guitar, and I have a Headrush MX5 effects pedal. It's known as an amp sim, but it has great effects too that I use with the Moog (and also a BigSky for reverb).
Thanks.
Yeah, the S37 is my favorite synth.
I do take it with me when I need it, but it is 'a thing' to carry around for sure.
And thanks for the update on the BS2. I have always had my eyes on one, but with a Minitaur and a S37 already.... There are other things on the list.
We use a headrush pedal too in the band (our guitar player) they surely make great sounding FX.
Moogalicios! I enjoy mine too.
Absolutely
I buy S37 in 2020. During pandemic. I also have 3 semi modular moog synth. In my opinion S37 sometimes it might be boring. But still warm sound from it. Always memorable for me.
Yeah, it is a 'simple' synth for sure. But I really like the sound indeed.
The Sub Phatty is great too. Was my first synth and was so fun to play. Didn’t have the second lfo and extra mod sources but had just about everything else . For less the price of a new Sub 37 I bought a used one plus a used Korg Prologue 8 which is also a great polyphonic synth.
Yeah those are nice too! I played a lot on Korgs before, great sound!
Just fell in love with the S37 when I heard it (bought at a great price 2nd hand, so I can’t complain about that)
Great approach, nice video.
Run mine through space echo (Boss RE20 and occasional Boss CE chorus).
Not a player but soundscaper. With or without a beat just letting the sound meander...
Thanks!
Yeah, it can do so much!
Great video and thoughts on the Subsequent 37. I agree with everything . I got mine early summer last year, bargain price second hand in UK, couldn't resist, just love it. I since gt the Moog Matriarch and both, I hope never leave me, they are both different and give me so much pleasure. I feel lucky to own 2 Moogs and smile everytime I look at them and go to another world when I play them. My only wish is that I wish i knew about the CV version earlier as I'm now getting into Modular but the Matriarch covers that side fine.
Thanks!
Yeah, absolutely love my 2 Moogs.
It is even tempting to get a third, but I probably won't :)
Remind me in a couple of months that I said this please 😄
@@tricks-and-tips lol I would love Subharmonica, sounds amazing on Demos! What would you go for if getting another one
@@Indianabones007 Yeah, I have been looking into that one as well, although I am having a hard time seeing a good usecase in my setup. It seems to be a 'song starter' instead of something that you integrate into a big setup easily.
I always dream of finding an affordable Moog Sirin, since I missed that one and would really like to have it.
Or a matriarch maybe.
@@tricks-and-tips yep know what you mean, if you ever get the chance of a Matriarch I would say get it, it’s my favourite instrument, just amazing, got that something special for sure.
@@Indianabones007 Yeah, one day 😃
First make sure my channel gets 4000h watch time, so youtube will finally give me a tiny bit of money in return and I can start saving more for new toys.
I have the Subsequent 25 for studio work. Pair with the VST editor, 88 keys controller & my DAW it's the best of both worlds. Plus it doesn't take much studio space which is critical for me.
Yeah absolutely. The 25 is a very good alternative these days. When I bought it, it was not released yet, so I went for the 37.
No regrets from my side, but if I would have been in the market now: the 25 would be the most likely candidate
I swapped my sub 37 for a pro 3. It can do much of what the sub 37 can do and a whole lot more. It’s, for me, the ultimate mono synth. Apart from my model D. 😅
Yeah, that is a beautiful synth too!
@@tricks-and-tips in SE form it feels special, but not as special as the Sub 37. There’s nothing like a Moog for feel. My minimoog and Moog one feel that way for sure. And the sub 37 does have that burn that sets it apart.
@@final_mile_music9713 yeah, I always get a smile when playing the S37 😁
The Pro3 is too expensive for me right now, but it sounds (from what I have heard) very versatile. But I’m not selling my S37, since I love playing that.
@@tricks-and-tips Enjoy it man.
@@final_mile_music9713
Thnx. I'll do just that!
thanx gr8 vid, the quality of sound gives it rightful place as the best mono synth. I would like to own one ! Too expensive , gr8 point about the 2 versions, the later version has better overdrive , but I think the v1 has a more powerful sound. I have a little phatty love it and very grateful to have this brilliant sounding moog ! If it makes you smile your using the right synth 😁
Thanks a lot!
Yeah expensive it is!
I bought an 2nd hand one. Much better on the budget.
And indeed. I’m grateful for having one!
@@tricks-and-tips Gr8 nu enjoy 😁
@@jonotwycross8998 Yeah, enjoy what you have :)
Really good video
Thanks Jeroen!
The S37 is a really nice synth to work with!
One thing I was really surprised about is that the pots feel quite cheap and wobbly to me. I was expecting sturdy, tough, old school quality. I've only played it dry but the sound didn't really inspire me - however i've heard beautiful things from it like this video shows. Why doesn't a 'Sub' synth have a sine wave?
Ok, mine does not have that.
Not like my Minitaur (which has a bit wobbly pots)
If you ever try the Bass station 2, I was disappointed with those pots (expecting them to be like my Peak quality)
I really can’t complain about the sound. It’s always a pleasure to play. There are more flexibility options out there, but for me the S37 is probably last to leave the setup.
It does open up with good FX, which is what I always use on my synths btw 😊
Help me iam trying to make a rather bizarre choice between this moog and the Waldorf iridium.
Realise it’s chalk and cheese and as much as I’d like both there’s to much else I ‘need’
So which would you choose?
Classic analog moog phatness
Or ultra futuristic 48 osc digital madness!
Ouch. That is a tough one.
What do you have already?
Man the price of the subsequent 25 has shot up in the U.K., was available for £789 last year now it’s £1200.
Yeah man. Just like so many electronics. Elektron has had a similar increase.
Terrible.
@@tricks-and-tips I'm selling my sub 25 as just bought the 37, should break even on it.
@@Outdoorshuntingshooting Yeah, it's a weird time.