A really cool trick I found is to connect the S&H to the self-oscillating filter and then add an autotune in your DAW that is (obviously) set to the key of your song. The MS20 will magically start generating melodies for you.
the coolest thing i ever did with the sample and hold was to connect a radio to the ext. input then connect the FtoV to the S&H in and the trigger from the ext. input to S&H clock and the S&H out to the VCO in. there was a bit more fiddling but it ended up sounding a grown-up from the Peanuts mocking the person speaking on the radio
I just tried an MS-20 Mini for the first time today (first time using patches at all) and this was the first trick the staff guy showed me. Straight away I thought it sounded awesome but veered too far between extremes to sound comfortable - so I asked if you could run the output voltage through a filter first to remove some of the very high results. He put it through the external signal processor and effectively bandpassed it, and it sounds *fantastic* as a subtle, high-rate modulation on the LP VCF cutoff.
I remember my first encounter with an MS-20 in a reseller store. I spent 30 minutes to figure out how the sample & hold worked. I was used to pre-patched synths back then. Then I made a kickass sound with it, the store owner liked it so much he didn't want me to remove the chords when I was done.
Hey man... Just a quick note to say thank-you for these vids. I've spent that last 3 days working through your vids on the MS20 and have watched two or three of the 10+ times to properly understand what's going on and I'm really starting to understand this machine so thank-you .')
Hey man. I just wanna day that all your videos have been so informative. I watched all of your korg series videos and thanks to you I was able to make some rad sounds. My MS 20 comes in the mail tomorrow and I’m beyond excited. I sincerely thank you for these videos. I’ve saved them on a playlist and I can’t wait to mess around with it. Again. Thanks so much. The universe thanks you for existing.
Brilliant series, Marc. I'm going to invest in one of these wonderful machines as soon as they're released in the UK! Thanks for these fantastic lessons - you give a great insight into how synthesis with the MS-20 works. :-)
@9321Electribes: S&H is a much more random feature than an arpeggiator. The arp plays notes of a chord in a sequence and octave shifts notes depending on the setting. BTW the Juno 106 did not have an arpeggiator, this was only present on the 6 and 60 models
Is there a way to run a guitar through the sample and hold? And come out of the esp into the sample and hold? Or does it only work when the vcos are turned up?
Thanks for this. Couldn't figure out how to get the classic computer beeps using sample and hold. Now when i got the result i wanted, the only thing i can't figure out is why the signal becomes clear when turning the waveform knob all the way to the right? If i keep it in the middle or the left it gets mixed with some other signal. Can anyone explain this to me please.
The internal modulation generator can't be synched to midi. You need to use some external synched LFO and go in through the patch bay with that. Options are (but not limited to) Silentway (software, will use a load of outputs on your audio interface, but probably most flexible), Microbrute (not so versatile in terms of divisions of midi clock or LFO waveforms, but you would own a Microbrute, which is an awesome synth) or a Kenton Pro-Solo or Pro-2000. I went for the Microbrute. It's doing a job for me, but I would still dearly love a Kenton Pro-2000 for it's many lovely LFO waveforms and the ability to have midi CC control over voltages to pass in through the patch bay. They're over £300 - a lot of cash for something that doesn't make a sound. The clock input of the sample and hold can be triggered by just about anything that kicks out a voltage. This could even be audio - 808 rim shot? Doesn't have to be from a real 808. Worth a try...
man I’m so confused - everything used to work just as it does in this video. Now I only get randomness within the pitch equivalent of a half step when I hold a key down - is it possible for pink noise to get burnt out or something? It randomizes properly on each new key press for like a fraction of a second, but then back to boringsville
the so called "sample and hold" on the ms20mini is really a track and hold, meaning that the input voltage is only held when the clock input is high. Not sure if that helps, but it was not mentioned in this video and its an important distinction to make.
well I think mine's busted, cause whenever the hold isn't being triggered, the original signal just passes through. Is this normal behavior? I'd imagine it should not let that through. To clarify: trigger= just the sampled voltage, not triggered= original source, in this case noise, to completely pass through
@@RAFI205 I've had the same problem: I believe it's because the White Noise level is too low. I measure it at about 1.0 Vpp, whereas the spec sheet says it should be 5 Vpp! Same for Pink noise. Running it through the ESP amp increases it by some. Solution is addressed at the very bottom of this thread ("Luciano Fiumara 2 years ago"), but it seems to be cut off. I pulled the right hand end panel off, and think I can see the variable resistor (pot) that adjusts the white noise amplitude. I'll try to increase it today....
I think my unit may be faulty. I copied the patch exactly, but the variance in pitches and filter cutoffs is very narrow and subtle. I patched the white noise generator through the ESP to boost the signal and I can almost get what you get here, but that shouldn't be needed as evidenced in your video. I think I'm gonna try to get it exchanged. Hopefully I can. I waited to try this kind of patch and the warranty has expired, but Sweetwater has a 2 year warranty so maybe they'll do right by me. PSA: Learn all the features quick, kids, so you can find out any problems while in warranty!
The white noise generator? Are you just trying that out of desperation because the pink noise gen wasn't working as indicated here or have you been trying the white noise all along? I only ask because he specifies the pink noise gen in the video.
I used both. I got my replacement and my unit was indeed faulty. Both white and pink will work, but the pink is more drastic. On my faulty one, neither would work without boosting via the ESP. There was also some white noise bleed in the mixer which is gone in the replacement I got. So something was screw. Sounds beautiful now.
EmDubification I knew it was meant to be pink noise, that's why I asked. ***** Sorry, didn't mean to insult your intelligence! Glad it's working now. Wish I could afford one of these...
Don't ever make another video again or I'll have to sell my sister to be able to afford all this stuff! Actually, now that I think about it, make more ;)
A really cool trick I found is to connect the S&H to the self-oscillating filter and then add an autotune in your DAW that is (obviously) set to the key of your song. The MS20 will magically start generating melodies for you.
the coolest thing i ever did with the sample and hold was to connect a radio to the ext. input then connect the FtoV to the S&H in and the trigger from the ext. input to S&H clock and the S&H out to the VCO in. there was a bit more fiddling but it ended up sounding a grown-up from the Peanuts mocking the person speaking on the radio
I just tried an MS-20 Mini for the first time today (first time using patches at all) and this was the first trick the staff guy showed me. Straight away I thought it sounded awesome but veered too far between extremes to sound comfortable - so I asked if you could run the output voltage through a filter first to remove some of the very high results. He put it through the external signal processor and effectively bandpassed it, and it sounds *fantastic* as a subtle, high-rate modulation on the LP VCF cutoff.
I remember my first encounter with an MS-20 in a reseller store. I spent 30 minutes to figure out how the sample & hold worked. I was used to pre-patched synths back then. Then I made a kickass sound with it, the store owner liked it so much he didn't want me to remove the chords when I was done.
Thank you so much for taking the time to post this series of videos! It's really helped me to understand my MS-20
Hey man... Just a quick note to say thank-you for these vids. I've spent that last 3 days working through your vids on the MS20 and have watched two or three of the 10+ times to properly understand what's going on and I'm really starting to understand this machine so thank-you .')
This is why I do it! I’m so glad to help. Thank you!
There needs to be a synthesizer show on TV and you need to be the host.
Hey man. I just wanna day that all your videos have been so informative. I watched all of your korg series videos and thanks to you I was able to make some rad sounds. My MS 20 comes in the mail tomorrow and I’m beyond excited. I sincerely thank you for these videos. I’ve saved them on a playlist and I can’t wait to mess around with it. Again. Thanks so much. The universe thanks you for existing.
awesome, i was nervous this series was over
Brilliant series, Marc. I'm going to invest in one of these wonderful machines as soon as they're released in the UK! Thanks for these fantastic lessons - you give a great insight into how synthesis with the MS-20 works. :-)
Nice. This will help me with my K-2. Thanks!
I'm glad you posted something. My channel feed was starting down am ugly path.
@9321Electribes: S&H is a much more random feature than an arpeggiator. The arp plays notes of a chord in a sequence and octave shifts notes depending on the setting. BTW the Juno 106 did not have an arpeggiator, this was only present on the 6 and 60 models
Good info. I will reference these videos for many of my own patches. Thanks.
Thank you very much for your very well done job!!! Congrats!
Tips never seen before. Great !
Great video, on waiting list to get one of those I use to own the original and sold it.
Great Work, Thank you really much!
This has got to be the best synth out now for the money. I was leaning toward the sub phatty but this seems much more versatile.
Good demo !!
Very helpful, thanks!
Is there a way to run a guitar through the sample and hold? And come out of the esp into the sample and hold? Or does it only work when the vcos are turned up?
This was my first trick with my ms20, approx 40 years ago, good example, the last 30 seconds of "mr roboto" by styx
i like ur MS20 theme tune ::)
What type of cable do you use for the "signal out"?
Trying to figure out how I can record with it :)
Thanks!
Thanks for this. Couldn't figure out how to get the classic computer beeps using sample and hold. Now when i got the result i wanted, the only thing i can't figure out is why the signal becomes clear when turning the waveform knob all the way to the right? If i keep it in the middle or the left it gets mixed with some other signal. Can anyone explain this to me please.
I'd like to add a sequencer with my iPad, are there any you recommend?
how many more parts have you got planned?
is there any way to synchronize the s/h patch or just the square wave to the tempo of an external midi sequencer?? Thank you:)
The internal modulation generator can't be synched to midi. You need to use some external synched LFO and go in through the patch bay with that. Options are (but not limited to) Silentway (software, will use a load of outputs on your audio interface, but probably most flexible), Microbrute (not so versatile in terms of divisions of midi clock or LFO waveforms, but you would own a Microbrute, which is an awesome synth) or a Kenton Pro-Solo or Pro-2000. I went for the Microbrute. It's doing a job for me, but I would still dearly love a Kenton Pro-2000 for it's many lovely LFO waveforms and the ability to have midi CC control over voltages to pass in through the patch bay. They're over £300 - a lot of cash for something that doesn't make a sound.
The clock input of the sample and hold can be triggered by just about anything that kicks out a voltage. This could even be audio - 808 rim shot? Doesn't have to be from a real 808. Worth a try...
Hi,what clock does in sample hold?
3:25 "Sounding crazy"? Sounding like the "Electric Avenue" bike throttle effect ;)
6:03 Declare Independence
ALright, this sold the model for me.
man I’m so confused - everything used to work just as it does in this video. Now I only get randomness within the pitch equivalent of a half step when I hold a key down - is it possible for pink noise to get burnt out or something? It randomizes properly on each new key press for like a fraction of a second, but then back to boringsville
the so called "sample and hold" on the ms20mini is really a track and hold, meaning that the input voltage is only held when the clock input is high. Not sure if that helps, but it was not mentioned in this video and its an important distinction to make.
well I think mine's busted, cause whenever the hold isn't being triggered, the original signal just passes through. Is this normal behavior? I'd imagine it should not let that through.
To clarify: trigger= just the sampled voltage, not triggered= original source, in this case noise, to completely pass through
I can'[t get the same sound with identical set up, I have to crank the ext up to 8.
i've got the same situation. any ideas why?
on the lower settings it is not doing anything and outcome like this one on the video is impossible...
@@RAFI205 I've had the same problem: I believe it's because the White Noise level is too low. I measure it at about 1.0 Vpp, whereas the spec sheet says it should be 5 Vpp! Same for Pink noise. Running it through the ESP amp increases it by some. Solution is addressed at the very bottom of this thread ("Luciano Fiumara
2 years ago"), but it seems to be cut off. I pulled the right hand end panel off, and think I can see the variable resistor (pot) that adjusts the white noise amplitude. I'll try to increase it today....
@@tpugsley thank you very much for the answer ;)
I have the Juno 106, and no, there is no function, which kinda sucks.
I like how the gearslutz thread died. Everybody just wants the effing thing now haha
I think my unit may be faulty. I copied the patch exactly, but the variance in pitches and filter cutoffs is very narrow and subtle. I patched the white noise generator through the ESP to boost the signal and I can almost get what you get here, but that shouldn't be needed as evidenced in your video. I think I'm gonna try to get it exchanged. Hopefully I can. I waited to try this kind of patch and the warranty has expired, but Sweetwater has a 2 year warranty so maybe they'll do right by me. PSA: Learn all the features quick, kids, so you can find out any problems while in warranty!
The white noise generator? Are you just trying that out of desperation because the pink noise gen wasn't working as indicated here or have you been trying the white noise all along? I only ask because he specifies the pink noise gen in the video.
Pink noise.
I used both. I got my replacement and my unit was indeed faulty. Both white and pink will work, but the pink is more drastic. On my faulty one, neither would work without boosting via the ESP. There was also some white noise bleed in the mixer which is gone in the replacement I got. So something was screw. Sounds beautiful now.
***** Glad to hear you have a properly working unit now. Such a fun synthesizer. Happy noise making!
EmDubification I knew it was meant to be pink noise, that's why I asked.
***** Sorry, didn't mean to insult your intelligence! Glad it's working now. Wish I could afford one of these...
Its comout out random because he is using a random input. Try something more predictable for an input like an LFO.
I have mine exactly as shown in 4:24 and nothing happens
make sure MG/ T EXT knob under 'frequency modulation' is turned up and the filter is open
Rush did. Listen to The Camera Eye.
do it have that funky worm Ohio players sound in this?
Don't ever make another video again or I'll have to sell my sister to be able to afford all this stuff! Actually, now that I think about it, make more ;)
now i remember why i never liked s&h .... anyone ever got something musical out of it?
I'll buy your sister...