The Korg MS-20 Mini- Oscillators Part 1

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  • Опубліковано 13 бер 2013
  • Here is the first in a series which demonstrates the sound and functionality of the new Korg MS-20 Mini.
    www.korg.com/MS20mini

КОМЕНТАРІ • 111

  • @automaticgainsay
    @automaticgainsay  11 років тому +7

    Well, I'm a guy who performs live with both a Minimoog AND an ARP 2600. And I don't need presets. So, this can mean one of two things: 1. I'm some sort of magical guy who can do anything, or 2. You don't need presets.
    If you study synthesis on one synthesizer and come to be able to know what each change will do, you will know what to do to make a sound you envision. And it's simply not that hard with analog synths.

  • @AlainHubert
    @AlainHubert 11 років тому +2

    That door definitely needs to be repainted...
    More seriously, as usual Marc, with this series you've provided a very in depth look at a classic, bound to be classic again, synth.
    Thanks !

  • @CharlesFerraro
    @CharlesFerraro 6 років тому +9

    For anyone interested in knowing, the ring modulation defaults both oscillators to square waves. That is to say the waveform select of oscillator 1 has no effect on the ring modulation of oscillator 2. If you turn up oscillator 1 in the mixer though, it will output whatever waveform you selected. But again, even if oscillator 1 is outputting a saw to the mixer it's still using a square wave to ring modulate a square wave in oscillator 2.
    The pulse width of oscillator 1 will actually fade in the amplitude of oscillator 2 so if you have an inaudible pulse width, oscillator two will be at full volume. With a 50:50 duty cycle on osc 1 you have true ring modulation without the dry output of oscillator 2. IF the dry output of oscillator 2 were audible that would be called AM instead of Ring and the 20 doesn't do AM by default (might be able to patch it in).
    Didn't know that a modulator patched into osc2 pitch will disable it's keytracking. I'll have to test that out.

    • @coolguy2783
      @coolguy2783 2 роки тому +1

      thank you so much for sharing this, this is really useful info. never heard anyone get that detailed about it before, appreciate it!

    • @CharlesFerraro
      @CharlesFerraro 2 роки тому +2

      @@coolguy2783 wow I wrote that four years ago, crazy. Looking back at that comment I realize intuitively that yes, patching into osc 2 pitch will of course disable keytracking. Osc 2 in fact doesn’t have it’s own pitch mod input independent of osc 1… but instead has a cv input FOR things like keytracking. So while you can get pitch mod type effects that way it’s not the same as patching into pitch on the upper left of the panel.
      The reason the MS-20 is using two square waves for it’s “ring mod” is because it’s actually an XOR gate which can mimic the math of ring mod only when using squares.
      Not sure what I was talking about with the pulse width of osc1 increasing the volume of oscillator 2 (in ring mod mode). I doubt that’s true. It is still true though that if you effectively make the osc 1 square wave disappear with a narrow width that you’d only be hearing oscillator 2… which would only be a square wave. Not that exciting.

  • @BEDM
    @BEDM 11 років тому +1

    Another informative, well-rounded, and nice sounding demo. Thanks for the great work, Marc.

  • @SourceRE
    @SourceRE 10 років тому +1

    Thanks for a great series. I just got my MS-20 and I am so happy. Decision made, in part, thanks to these videos.

  • @clayhorsemusic
    @clayhorsemusic 11 років тому +1

    Great to learn from somebody who knows what they heck they're talking about - thanks!

  • @ChrisSmout
    @ChrisSmout 11 років тому +1

    Great video as ever, Gainsay! Learned a lot about the MS-20 that I wasn't aware of previously.

  • @josephs2791
    @josephs2791 2 роки тому

    Great video series as usual! I'm deep into learning about synthesis and you're videos almost always capture exactly what I need in term of learning and humor. Thanks again friend!

  • @oscwildle1
    @oscwildle1 10 років тому

    Thank you for taking such a simple approach with this video, really helpful

  • @Montragon29
    @Montragon29 11 років тому

    It also comes with the drum machine, kaoss pad controls and the analog sequencer...I have it rewired into my pc's sound card and the sound is so pure! Along with a midi controller on the ipad i have seen a legend come to life on my desktop, but only through your videos...You made my day Marc! And to all those ready to burn me at the stake, NO this isn't a promotion, i bought the app because of the MS20's historical value and realised it is a good app for portable goodness...'nough said...

  • @numba1netsfan
    @numba1netsfan 11 років тому +1

    So glad I preordered this bad boy.

  • @kobalt77
    @kobalt77 9 років тому +2

    I bought a Microbrute after watching your demos for that ...................... now I am getting scared watching this .... hahahaha ..................... best demo for the Ms 20 Mini on UA-cam, well done again my man !

  • @bytex666
    @bytex666 11 років тому

    I'm waiting for it to come out aswell. Marc is a lucky guy who get to preview all these synths before they're available to us mortals.

  • @scimmiamk
    @scimmiamk 11 років тому

    As far as youtube, and computer speakers, audio quality goes, this thing sound darn good to me. Thanks as always for the good jo
    ... now I'm really curious to hear those filters ...

  • @automaticgainsay
    @automaticgainsay  11 років тому

    That's great information, Goldigin!

  • @nickpelkey
    @nickpelkey 11 років тому

    The shabby chic green cabinet is a dead on color match for one in my living room.

  • @demokid2000
    @demokid2000 11 років тому

    Wow it sounds great!

  • @bytex666
    @bytex666 11 років тому

    Man that's a gnarly looking door you have there..oh, great video too.

  • @ChrisSmout
    @ChrisSmout 11 років тому

    Hey man, as an owner of a Minibrute, I do like the phat sounds you can make from it and the multiple connectivity (USB, MIDI, CV) and aftertouch is great to have as well. That said, the relatively cheap access to an MS-20 with its patching and close approximation to the original is a thoroughly good thing for musicians

  • @Fluttermind
    @Fluttermind 11 років тому

    Please let me know where all your extra time has come from. You've made so many videos over the last few months that I suspect some crafty temporal engineering or wildly successful sleep deprivation experiment.
    I'm really looking forward to the filter video, too. Keep them coming.
    Lastly, thanks for being one of the few synth demo guys to mix their sound properly (rather than relying on a horrible camera mic). It's appreciated.

  • @bytex666
    @bytex666 11 років тому +1

    Modular manufacturers make extremely pitch accurate oscillators these days, that have not a single digital component in them. So I can assume Korg can do that aswell. My Analogue Systems RS-95 VCO's have +/-0.3% pitch accuracy across all octaves.

  • @automaticgainsay
    @automaticgainsay  11 років тому +2

    I think you're going to be able to find an MS-20 Mini a lot easier and more cheaply than a Juno-60.
    The Juno-60 is vastly less complicated, and much more linear in appearance... so it'd probably be an easier first synth.
    But learning the MS-20 Mini would teach you a lot more about synthesis. Despite being monophonic.

  • @automaticgainsay
    @automaticgainsay  11 років тому

    Thank you!

  • @FJamesPrice
    @FJamesPrice 11 років тому

    Interesting! Thanks for the info.

  • @TRADESMAN-xt4ce
    @TRADESMAN-xt4ce 11 років тому

    i need one of these!!!

  • @automaticgainsay
    @automaticgainsay  11 років тому

    Roland Juno-106. Well, I want to say the MiniBrute because it might be easier for a beginner to stick with sliders instead of patching... but at the same time, it's a great way to get a great educational foundation with CV patching!

  • @automaticgainsay
    @automaticgainsay  11 років тому

    Thanks!

  • @astrophil79
    @astrophil79 11 років тому

    Lovit! Great vids

  • @Plonkuss5
    @Plonkuss5 11 років тому

    Hi Marc Doty I love your videos just two quick questions
    first question what was your first analog synth? and second out of the korg ms20 mini or Arturia mini brute which one would you recommend for beginner first synthesiser?

  • @coldwar1977
    @coldwar1977 11 років тому +1

    if you watch all of Marc's MS20 vids, you don't have to read the manual anymore :-)

  • @automaticgainsay
    @automaticgainsay  11 років тому

    I recorded the output to computer uncompressed. What you're hearing is as close to what comes out of the thing as you're going to get.

  • @Chevron666
    @Chevron666 11 років тому

    Hey Marc, I've been using some MIDI synth sounds with my band for a while, but I want to switch to analog. I need something that can give me some solid bass, as my synth sounds usually fill in for our lack of bass player. The Moog Sub Phatty seems amazing, and fits the description of what I need, but the MS-20 seems pretty versatile, and it's a lot more budget-friendly. Any advice you could give? Thank you

  • @erreur
    @erreur 11 років тому

    sounds good for a $600 analog synth. Not as deep as the original, but if one wants that sound and feel it ain't cheap. Glad to see Korg is taking Arturia's cue and going this route. Hope other manufacturers will take note and follow (hint, hint, Roland....I know it's probably a pipe dream)

  • @torsteinpedersen2896
    @torsteinpedersen2896 10 років тому

    there is master tune, and pitch on osc2 which are both smooth and very fine... :)

  • @hagai2003
    @hagai2003 11 років тому

    Hi,
    thanks for the video.
    I was wondering, when playing with the pitch of the 2nd oscillator to have the ring modulator effect.
    Is it easy to get it back? the pitch to the right place?
    I play a lot of live music and want to be able to get the pitch right back.
    Does it have like a "easy" spot to get the pitch back? or do I have to tune it using external tuner to get it right?

  • @automaticgainsay
    @automaticgainsay  10 років тому

    The filters can be keyboard-controlled! However, the hertz-per-volt proposition gets a little tricky in that respect!

  • @theswolk
    @theswolk 11 років тому

    Out of curiosity, would you suggest a MS20Mini or Juno 60 for my first synth? The ability to just explore and manipulate sound on the fly is the main thing I am looking for - the patching on the ms 20 is probably the most appealing feature of it to me and the arpeggiator on the 60 is its most appealing.

  • @PurpleCaliper
    @PurpleCaliper 11 років тому

    They are indeed digitally stabilzed though. Nothing intrusive though, I forget the direct schematics but its supposed to only interfere if it gets WAAAAY out of tune. Im guessing sudden heat changes etc etc. It doesnt effect the phasing sound at all, but I will let you know for sure when I get it.

  • @discomfortdesigns
    @discomfortdesigns 11 років тому

    Quick question. I've been looking around, and haven't seen this addressed. I know all the patch bay jacks have been shrunk to 3.5 millimeter, is that also true of the phones out and the main output?

  • @nickpelkey
    @nickpelkey 11 років тому

    I'm convinced you filmed this in my old farm house. I was wondering who moved there. I thought it was a chainsaw sculptor. Funny he's supposed to only be there during the seasons you'll be busy. Hmm plot thickens.

  • @PandaWithThineGuns
    @PandaWithThineGuns 8 років тому

    So I'm looking at getting into analog synths and I saw this on a couple beginner buyer guides. Would you recommend this to someone looking to get into synths?

  • @automaticgainsay
    @automaticgainsay  11 років тому

    Yes.

  • @H4NDCRAFTED
    @H4NDCRAFTED 11 років тому

    Kogepan ..we meet again!

  • @igotnoeyebrows
    @igotnoeyebrows 11 років тому

    Great vid per usual Gainsay!!!! What's the serial number on that bad boy?

  • @super999999
    @super999999 11 років тому +1

    Does this have all the 'defects' of analog synths, like needing to warm up or things like that. (I've never owned an analog synth, but i've heard this is what happens).

  • @automaticgainsay
    @automaticgainsay  11 років тому

    You're on to me!

  • @jasoncorganbrown
    @jasoncorganbrown 11 років тому

    So glad the square sounds right! The sub phatty square is nice but not as pure vintage in t

  • @jakevida
    @jakevida 11 років тому

    Can you use stackable wires with the patch bay on this? Think that would open things up even more if so.

  • @TAGAPAW
    @TAGAPAW 10 років тому

    ***** I want to ask something, is Noise Wave In VCO 1 sounds , how do i put it, Louder than other wave ? my Noise Wave almost "quiet" , the output more Low than Triangle wave, is mine defect ? thanks for reading

  • @serens5990
    @serens5990 10 років тому

    Hi is it possible to keyboard track the filters so you can play them?

  • @serens5990
    @serens5990 10 років тому

    So how would you do it? if you don't mind explaining
    thanks for the reply as well

  • @automaticgainsay
    @automaticgainsay  11 років тому

    Thanks!
    I would gladly compare it to an original. If I had an original. :) I sold mine years ago.
    Korg recognized that I love analog synths, and let me do my thing. They aren't telling me what to say, and they're not paying me to say anything, either. I'm calling it as I see it.

  • @automaticgainsay
    @automaticgainsay  11 років тому

    Please don't hate me when I go into hibernation for the summer, winter, and fall. ;)
    There are a lot coming!
    Thank you for noticing. I really endeavor to make sure people are hearing what comes out of the synth!

  • @DJBonc
    @DJBonc 11 років тому

    Nice demo Marc. I wonder though why you don't compare it to the original one. Since this is supposed to be a clone, I guess that's what people want to hear (at least I do).
    Weren't you allowed to by Korg?

  • @ronaldeatman6603
    @ronaldeatman6603 11 років тому +1

    So I'm guessing the MS 20 is the competitor of the Moog Sub Phatty correct? Either way I wish I had both.

  • @MinimalWave1982
    @MinimalWave1982 11 років тому

    Hi Marc, i have a SH-101 can i sync it with it sequencer ?

  • @cyberpatryk
    @cyberpatryk 3 роки тому

    nice

  • @Montragon29
    @Montragon29 11 років тому

    I hope i don't sound too lame...But i knew the ms 20 only by name. I had the chance to buy at a discount the iMS-20 ipad app from Korg (around 15$). So having gone through some other hardware and software synths, i gave it a try, and immediately realised i was a cripple in front of it. I did a test run after having watched the videos and i must say it is a really,really,really good app. Sounds "SO" close to what i'm hearing in the video, and makes full use of the ipad's cpu.

  • @erwrf3205
    @erwrf3205 8 років тому

    Mmm, you can hear the asymmetry in the triangle wave. It's nice and characterful, perfect triangle can be almost too soft.

  • @shaft9000
    @shaft9000 11 років тому

    hahaha it played normal this time...but i must say that I'm soooo f$#%in' jealous that you landed the gig scoring the soundtrack for Rogaine TNG, ye bastard.

  • @supright44
    @supright44 11 місяців тому

    Hello, i have a ms-20 mini, have not played it for a few months...turned it on yesterday and the lower half of keyboard is playing a stronger signal output and gets weaker as you travel up the keys...any idea what might be the cause? i appreciate the time. all the settings are pretty much the default settings out of the box.

  • @pcuimac
    @pcuimac 11 років тому

    I am so glad I have an Ultranova.

  • @Gundrs
    @Gundrs 11 років тому

    maybe a bit of a silly question. but can a ms20 replace a minimoog. as far as sound quality goes?

  • @DennisBastian
    @DennisBastian 11 років тому

    How does the size of this relate to the size of the ms20 usb controler?

  • @SidnRemii
    @SidnRemii 7 років тому

    help! the pulse width square wave on oscillator 1 won't work for me. no matter where i move the knob, it's still the same square wave. what's wrong?

  • @automaticgainsay
    @automaticgainsay  11 років тому

    I have been told that the pitch is NOT controlled digitally. I do like synthesizers that are a little messier in regard to pitch, but the MS-20 has ALWAYS been incredibly pitch-stable. I would say that of the analog synths I've played and owned from the 1970s, the MS-20 is far and away the most stable.

  • @salvadory1103
    @salvadory1103 11 років тому

    the only downside i could find was the cheap plastic feel to the synth- for a better build quality (perhaps metal or aluminum plated) i would pay another 100$ 150 for this- i tried it at namm and it is really great- def getting one to go with my korg legacy controller version i have

  • @FJamesPrice
    @FJamesPrice 11 років тому

    So I have to assume pitch is controlled digitally. Not that I care, but it would be interesting to see something new that doesn't track so precisely. It probably wouldn't be that much of an issue warming up either with the tiny components they use now.

  • @automaticgainsay
    @automaticgainsay  11 років тому

    I've heard you can.

  • @automaticgainsay
    @automaticgainsay  11 років тому

    I think the operative term there is "lucky." And maybe you should add "grateful."

  • @bytex666
    @bytex666 11 років тому

    That's true, and I have 3 in my system :)

  • @jackm_
    @jackm_ 11 років тому

    and i believe it's the most stable because it's volt/hz and does not require an exponential converter ;)

  • @automaticgainsay
    @automaticgainsay  11 років тому +1

    This is #107... but keep in mind, it's a prototype!

  • @45rpm.
    @45rpm. 11 років тому

    Roland should bring back the sh-101 but with a high pass filter - two 101s in the same box for dual oscillator, dual env sounds - an make it polyphonic - aw its a jupiter 6 now.

  • @numba1netsfan
    @numba1netsfan 11 років тому

    Really? (different account btw) That is awesome. I guess that was just a rumor started by the gearslutz trolls?

  • @deadpolitical
    @deadpolitical 11 років тому

    Hey Marc, the noise joke is funny and all, and I get that a lot of noise sounds similar, but why haven't you created one of your educational videos on the functions of noise. excuse me if you have one and I havent seen it,but youve done things like formant synthesis, but not noise. Being a sound generator like an oscillator,isnt it important? I think it has many purposes, and belongs in the curriculum of synthesis education. not to sound harsh I love your videos, which is why I think you should

  • @fjfrancois
    @fjfrancois 10 років тому

    VCO? I don't see the Fine Tune Knob like the Minibrute or the Sub Phatty!

  • @JamieClark
    @JamieClark 11 років тому

    That square is HUGE. I'm sold over the Minibrute. The noise also sounds massive. Quick question:
    How are we hearing this? What are you using to record the sound?
    I guess all the demos from shows were not patched to the cameras, but even Korg didn't release videos showing how huge those raw waves are!

  • @automaticgainsay
    @automaticgainsay  11 років тому

    The synth is ALL MS-20! The beat is a quickly rendered choppy choppy on GarageBand. But don't tell nobody.
    My wig isn't that obvious, is it??

  • @willb.5857
    @willb.5857 11 років тому

    I was sort of wondering the same thing, but really, I don't see any reason why you would't be able to.

  • @automaticgainsay
    @automaticgainsay  11 років тому

    I was told by Korg that this is not the case.

  • @summer7034
    @summer7034 3 роки тому +1

    do you recommend this synth to beginners

    • @automaticgainsay
      @automaticgainsay  3 роки тому

      The basic functions are pretty straightforward, but the patching requires a bit more understanding than the beginner typically possesses.

    • @summer7034
      @summer7034 3 роки тому

      @@automaticgainsay All right cause im wanting to get ableton 10 standard for Christmas and i want to get a good/ beginner synth as a midi controller.

  • @StacksOvaflow
    @StacksOvaflow 11 років тому

    Hi, do you thing it would be good for drum'n'bass sound? like, fat Sub bass if you see what i mean.

  • @suitandtieguy
    @suitandtieguy 11 років тому

    i think you should wear a commando sweater every time you do a video just to make every synthesiser is completely fictitious a la the Bahn Sage and Elhardt's infamous commando sweater.

  • @f1sk8mm
    @f1sk8mm 11 років тому

    ugh. Slim phatty, sub phatty, or this. Each different I know.... I just can't decide. Im leaning towards the slim but I like the sub, and the price range / patch section of this also makes it appealing. No presets though.... hmmm

  • @FJamesPrice
    @FJamesPrice 11 років тому

    Sure, but 2 RS-95s is approaching the total cost of this keyboard.

  • @automaticgainsay
    @automaticgainsay  11 років тому

    THIS

  • @45rpm.
    @45rpm. 11 років тому

    I would say if you are using them for performances you would need presets but if they are purely studio tools then presets are pointless.

  • @automaticgainsay
    @automaticgainsay  11 років тому

    Not for sound quality, no. The MS-20 has a lot of functionality the Minimoog doesn't have, but it does not have the tone of the Minimoog.

  • @bebreeb6802
    @bebreeb6802 11 років тому

    only music can defy the laws of physics

  • @H4NDCRAFTED
    @H4NDCRAFTED 11 років тому

    Why does youtube always show black tramlines even though the video rez is the perfect size ? annoys the hell out of me.

  • @MadelnMachines
    @MadelnMachines 5 років тому

    That white noise bleed bugs me! Did the original have that? Kind of ruins an amazing sounding synth.

    • @F-Andre
      @F-Andre 5 років тому

      Made In Machines garbsge, what is a noise bleeding bug?? not on my ms20

    • @MadelnMachines
      @MadelnMachines 5 років тому

      @@F-Andre I said it bugs me... Not it's a bug. I did have the chance to play one and it didn't really bother me though. One you get the oscillators playing over it you don't really notice.

  • @dvamateur
    @dvamateur 11 років тому

    50% square wave sounds very much like an 8-bit Atari computer

  • @H4NDCRAFTED
    @H4NDCRAFTED 11 років тому

    The next video is gonna seem like forever :(

  • @thomasvdeng
    @thomasvdeng 11 років тому

    korg ftw! fuck presets.

  • @CyberspaceOBlivion
    @CyberspaceOBlivion 10 років тому +1

    i've watched this video multiple times and every time you say "and now we have extremely exciting noise" and hit the keyboard, i laugh out loud. btw, what is noise even used for?

    • @FreeThink1984
      @FreeThink1984 9 років тому +15

      drums, sound effects, modulation source, dirtying up the sound, woodwind emulations, etc...it has a lot of uses actually

    • @F0nkyNinja
      @F0nkyNinja 5 років тому +1

      AND WIND/SEASHORES

  • @neosashi
    @neosashi 9 років тому

    Why are the octave's labeled in feet? I don't believe I've ever encountered a synth that labels octaves like this.

    • @automaticgainsay
      @automaticgainsay  9 років тому +11

      Neosashi I don't know that I've ever encountered a synth that didn't! When you see"64' 32' 16'" etc... those are pipe lengths.

    • @JPdab
      @JPdab 8 років тому +2

      +Neosashi Every synth has this. It's to do with pipe length equivalents in a conventional pipe organ.

    • @F-Andre
      @F-Andre 5 років тому

      you havent seen a synth before then;)

  • @erreur
    @erreur 11 років тому

    Don't paint the door. It has mad character. You can't have everything all new and shiny. Gotta leave room for some decrepit-ness.

  • @shaft9000
    @shaft9000 11 років тому

    this is like the fifth time your videos start with some generic eurodance beat going into a hair-replacement ad. bizarre.