Pilot Takes-off Without Permission at Major Airport 😕
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2025
- UNAUTHORIZED Take-off by Pilot.
01. Cirrus SR-22 Takes-off without clearance at Philadelphia International
02. Piper Cherokee TAKES OFF WITHOUT CLEARANCE at Atlanta International
03. Pilot Lines up Without Clearance at Salina Airport
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At least all these pilots were apologetic and courteous. No yelling or contention. Good to see.
Yeah! No EGO. That’s the best part
I really like how the second controller waited until he was up and safe and on a good heading before bringing up the departure.
If it’s an honest mistake that wave of panic and regret when they tell you you messed up can really mess with your ability to accurately fly the plane. You don’t want a pilot to feel that feeling during a critical phase of flight. The first controller jumped into it a little too quickly in my opinion.
This is the way it supposed to be ......professional.🙏🏿🤙🏿✈️
Seriously. Mistakes happen. It’s how you deal with them that makes a difference.
@@hardy2k11 yeah
“At your disgression” paired with” line up and wait” makes no sense at all. I have never heard anyone use this combination before. Having said that the pilots read back “line up and wait” correctly making everything after their mistake. I know about another case where ATC didn’t use standard phraseology and the pilot read wrongfully back a clearance that sounded similar and took off. In that case the pilot wasn’t to blame.
“Line up and wait” is the correct phraseology to my knowledge
It was the pilots discretion whether he wanted to wait in the jet wash of the preceeding plane.
Controller was giving him the option to not enter the runway immediately.
@@dougaltolan3017 could be the way how they handle things there. It’s all about the blame game, putting ATC responsibility over to the shoulders of the pilot. At least ATC cautioned them.
Agreed!!!! That's a very strange combination of commands. It's always been taxi and hold short with advisement of the wake turbulence, or a cleared for takeoff with caution. Not line up and wait at your discretion.
Yeah to be honest when it comes to clearances that involve the runway it should be the same every time. “0XY, rwy 16, line up and wait.” Adding non-standard phrases into it just adds an extra possibility of confusion and is super dangerous. Sure for many of us it may be obvious that he meant line up and your discretion, but for some others it’s not and it’s honestlynot worth the risk.
If I don’t explicitly hear the words “CLEARED FOR TAKEOFF” (and repeat them back) then I don’t take off. Period.
Your discretion, line up and wait wake turbo., read back OK my discretion 69K line up and wait. That was not clear and concise communications by either party. Busy airport and the tower defiantly should have just said line up and wait. No need to use your discretion in there to make it unclear.
Feel bad for the first cirrus pilot, he was apologetic and understanding. Mistakes happen, and it's unfortunate his was a mistake with potentially deadly consequences, so it can't just be let go.
Agreed 👍
I don't think he's gonna get any actual consequences. Probably a lecture but no real consequence unless it repeats.
you know, i feel like these are mistakes that i myself would make. especially the "at your discretion" and "no delay" after being told to line up.
ATC: “N1307G, you only hear what you what to hear.”
N07G: “Ahh thanks for noticing 😊 I like to keep my hair short in the summer time.”
ATC: “…. 🤦”
😂😂
A few yrs ago at our towered airport we had 3 runway incursions in less than ten minutes all by the same plane - A civil air patrol no less
Which airport?
@@Flight_Follower Kmic
@@arthurbrumagem3844 ok! Let me look for the ATC conversation if available
@@Flight_Follower it was hilarious as the CAP crew here on the field think they are regular “top guns “
The "your discretion" instruction is a weird one for me. I've not heard that before. As a pilot hearing that, what does that mean exactly? His discretion to do what? Line up and wait? Not line up at all? Discretion implies I have a choice of some sort.
“ Line Up and Wait “ is correct to my knowledge
Discretion to not park in the jet wash of a departing plane, instead wait a bit, then line up and wait.
He was cautioning wake turbulence in the same sentence, so my guess is he was letting the pilot know he can wait for the jet wash to clear before lining up on the runway.
I would agree with the above. It can be a bit confusing on how to interpret the “your discretion” part of the call. However, I wouldn’t take off so soon following a jetliner. That is a risky move for the pilot no doubt.
404-... tower not found 😆 Scariest thing about the first one was taking off so soon into potential wake turbulence. Ouch, that could have gone badly.
He literally repeated the line up command back to the ATC. When you’re at a controlled field, you gotta be on your A listening game.
gotta?
Why would the controller say at your discretion and then line up and wait what is at his discretion??
At your discretion and line up and wait is extremely confusing. I can see how that happened.
How do these phone calls go? Can the pilot "smooth it over" and possibly get out of being reported to the FAA? Or do they just get berated and reported regardless? If the latter is the case, why even call? Kind of falls under the general advice to not answer legal questions when you're being investigated (more opportunity to self-incriminate).
The pilot of the last cessna was sleeping or what.
His voice was low. Not sure about that
So many people defending the cirrus guy…He was issued a line up and wait his discretion implying that he has the option to lineup and wait right away or not at all due to wake turbulence. (Not that it would affect him on the ground far away but tower could have been considering jet blast affecting his smaller aircraft) No matter what he was not given the key phrase “CLEARED FOR TAKEOFF”. Although it’s great that he was very apologetic this would be similar to defending someone who violates class B airspace without specifically hearing “Cleared into Bravo”.
Please pardon my ignorance, but was the “no delay” instruction meant to hurry across runway 8L, and then line up and wait on runway 8R? Thank You, Flight Follower Fam!!
Yes
👨✈️ - “See ya later! I’m outta here!!!”
Definitely could be construed for clearance. But, should have verified before roll.
Wake turbulence could have been disastrous for the Cirrus. He is lucky.
That was an extremely odd time to say "your discretion". I definitely can see how the pilot confused the instructions. Hopefully it was a slap on the wrist, and both parties learned from it.
Can't you just select priority take offs as a option when you buy a Cirrus 😂
Ok dude. You’re 100% right. 😂🤦🏼♂️
😅
That's why I would make a terrible pilot. Misunderstandings are my specialty.
Both pilots and controller need to refamiliarize with proper radio terminology. Words have meaning and in the case of aviation the meaning must be standardized and understood by all parties or catastrophic incidents can and will happen. No ad hoc terms and complete instructions/replies to/from all. It was nice to hear civil communications.
Just because you’re allowed to fly in and out of ATL in a Cherokee doesn’t mean you should
If you’re not very proficient and current and you don’t have lots of experience then yes probably best to avoid busy Class Bravos. But if you are a professional and know what you’re doing than you should absolutely exercise that privilege on occasion:) Just make sure you’re at the top of your game that day and fly by the book!
Why not? A competent pilot would have no issues flying into ATL in a Cherokee.
It has nothing to do with proficiency. You have the world’s busiest airport where all the jets are being asked to hold 180 knots to the marker and a Cherokee decides to try and slip in going 80. One airplane slowing down all TO and arrivals. Plenty of general aviation airports in the Atlanta area that would be happy to accommodate a Cherokee but I’m sure this guy decided to land there for bragging rights
@@carlosa7807 they usually put those guys on a different runway. Atlanta, Just like most large airports, you have your designated landing runways and designated take off runways.
It’s much easier to get the Cherokee to land on the runway that’s used for take off. That way, he is holding up nobody, except for when he is in short final, they will have to stop a departure so he can land. It’s really not that big of a deal.
I don’t think it’s bragging rights. I’m based out of Las Vegas, but we have 2 small airports near by, still, I would suggest any pilot to come fly into the main airport and experience that.
I see a lot of those small aircraft land. It doesn’t bother me. They do a good job having them land so it doesn’t interfere with us.
If you are polite with the tower, are you allowed to bring lots of lubricant to the FAA meeting?
Lol
line up and wait "at your discretion" ... what does that even mean? What was it that the pilot could do at their discretion?
they can line up at their discretion lol. exactly what the controller said
In the second clip, the Cherokee pilot didn't read back the hold short part, and the controller was busy. Hard to place blame on that one!
Naw blame can be easily be placed on both. But primarily with the pilot. He did not hear or read back a “cleared for takeoff”. No excuse for an experienced pilot operating at a busy Class Bravo to take off without confirming he is Cleared.
And the ATC even if busy they need to ensure the hold short instructions are read back properly. Cuz this could have been fatal if an airliner was on short final.
@@lyingcat9022acknowledging the readback is in place to catch mistakes. But it doesn’t take responsibility away from the pilot. This is 100% on the pilot.
@@lyingcat9022 Yeah, 100% never take off if you haven't read back a "cleared for takeoff 8R" or w/e runway.
That said, I've taken off from ATL in a Cherokee myself and can at least understand the insane stress that is navigating and comms at that airport for someone who is likely not a super experienced pilot and possibly on his own, plus feeling the pressure to do everything WAY faster than you're used to in order to be as little of an inconvenience as possible.
Radio phraseology needs to be focused on more during training, it really can throw a person off once you hear something new from a controller that you never heard during flights with an instructor. Obviously, this is more of an issue for pilots in training.
If you're going to fly at those airports you better have your s__t together. Not a plece for rookies or weak sisters.
Own it. Learn from it.
That 3rd controller was an arrrrse hoooole.
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