Level 3a is a pistol armor rating. While the RTS shield is incredible for exceeding that rating, it isn't really fare to compare them based off of rounds they aren't either one really rated for. In my opinion, would be more interesting to see these compared using common pistol rounds and shotgun loading, then the rifles separately with the understanding they exceed the rating. A second video series showing the actually rifle rated Level 3 products from both companies would then be interesting
It was obviously bias from the getgo. For some odd reason they were glorifying steel armor (horrible armor as a consensus in the industry) while trying to diss a lightweight extremely affordable armor that if it performs as rated, would be an unbelievable deal. You can always buy an expensive UHMWPE armor
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The full arm they make would be awesome to see what the rounds will do to your elbow to shoulder joint. Also that bottom edge torquing from the round impacting it could even break your forearm. but you would only be able to hold it up by the arm not the wood.
The science is so heavy in this episode. I love it. I think people forget even with shields or bulletproof vests you will still get hurt- some movies show that well, but many just make it look like you can take 20 rounds, and be fine with no bruising or other damage
You have lots of subs so you should know that according to BAM website they have a level 3A shield not 3A+, and who know since bought on eBay if it's real or a knock off.
I think you can safely consider .500 S&W out of a rifle barrel a "Riffle" round. It almost certainly had more energy than the 7.62x39 & 5.56. Also had a higher velocity than the x39.
Love the video, you do great work on educational demonstration of high energy impact. I think for future demonstration's of a similar situation mount the specimen horizontal instead of vertical to prevent the specimen attempting to escape downward. Or use more duck tape..... Great work and thank you.
in my own mind i imagined a different video one thats 20 seconds where you just shoot the arm on the wrong side of the shield and just go “well that didnt work” and end
For this kind of subject matter I don't mind longer videos, am generally interested in what happens when "ballistic protection" stops a projectile. Just how much energy ends up in the target anyway and how f*cked would you be if that happened sort of thing and other similar questions.
I would have definitely watched a longer video! Whatever is easiest for y’all I’m watching. I think if you could mount it so the arm is what is holding the shield it would allow the entire yield to transfer to the arm. Still awesome just my 1cent (figured inflation in)😂
The experiment is flawed, though: it's the wooden frame that is absorbing the hits, not the "arm" which is just hanging. This is different from the actual situation where a person is holding the shield with their forearm - in that case the forearm has to absorb all the energy from the moving shield.
@@GoingBallistic Maybe instead of insulting your viewers for pointing out facts, you could admit your method was flawed and redo the experiment where you attach the arm to a single board and attach the shield to the same board so that it's like a sandwich with the arm in the middle. Also, don't use too wide of a base, you want the stand/target to wobble a bit with each shot
@@ShellShock794 I was not trying to insult you. It’s just no matter how we try it, someone Always has a better way we should have done a test. If we did it your way someone else would say it was a bad test because of this or that. I said this to other and they didn’t take it personally, just laughed. It’s all in fun
I know it takes a lot of work, but it would be cool to have the shield on a spring/rubberband braced bracket, so we could compare the knockback to a hard puch or front kick.
I was thinking something similar, like having a scale, strain gauge, or accelerometer on the shield to see what the relative impacts look like graphed out one to another. I think we forget about even though we calculate the energy of the projectile it was accelerated in a firearm someone was holding. True, there are some tricks to lessen felt recoil but in general the bigger the kick the bigger the hit, against something solid anyway. I think that the 17 pound RTS shield might absorb more of that projectile energy then we give it credit. I won if something couldn’t be farmergineered (crafty, inexpensive, and some relatable results) where we do like you say with some bungee cord stock for resistance and a piece of polystyrene foam insulation holding 3 or 4 yard sticks in place and as some friction to keep them from sliding beyond what the plate pushes them and average the movement of them to get the redneck punch factor equivalent?
Haven't even seen your first shot... But... If you want to gauge how much damage the arm would get from a non-penetrating shot... You have to have the arm hold the shield, not the shield holding up the arm. Meaning, you would need more than just the forearm, and you would have to strap up the upper arm to your rig, the forearm to your shield, then shoot the shield.
I noticed this as well. It's a good video but the braces holding the shields take most of the force from the rounds. Did you see the second 500 shot knock the brace clean off and splinter the wood? All that energy would have been transferred to the arm if it wasn't for the brace stopping it first.
Well guys this is all we had to work with. I guarantee that there was a lot of energy that was transferred straight through into the arm. No not all but a lot. Having worked in the armor vehicle industry it pretty amazing to see how energy is transferred through materials.
Uh. Well. Nuff said. And there is no question in my mind: this was not sponsored. No way a company wants you thinking about this too hard. I know my limits, they are far less than the limits of that wood and steel frame. BEST case; the second shot gets through cuz your arm is too numb to lift the shield again.
The whole time i was watching this i was racking my brain trying to figure out why they thought ANY round would break your arm. Either the bullet penetrates the shield or it doesn't. Its solid steel. A bullet only carries about as much energy as someone swinging a baseball bat at you full strength. Obviously one of these could easily absorb a bat hit. It's the penetration that kills you.
id try smaller Armour shields forearm mounted i think smaller shock absorbent plates with correct use of cover would be the best idea. run for cover use shield to protect head if taking an aim. if at least gives you more time to get a hit on the mark before they hit you
Haha I'm actually a fan of the long form videos. I think that's one reason @PNW_GUERRILLA has blew up. The long videos, great info, community, and laughs.
The biggest issue is that the wood is taking most of the damage. If the arm itself was supporting the weight of the shield it would be a different outcome
Long videos are fine, however your testing rig is not. It's an unrealistic test because the shield is fully supported in steel brackets. When the round hits, the energy is being dumped into the brackets and not the arm (which is why at the end, the wood shattered where it was being held in by the bracket). You have to remember when you are holding the shield, your arm is ridgid and the only support for the shield. In order to run a fair test, you would need a Newton Force scale that registers impacts placed behind the shield and see what each round is hitting at. From there we can then test how much force it would take to shatter human bones.
but we all know you shot the other armour straight after this one so why you didnt just run them togeather ? unless you had to do it this way to honour the contract you had with the body armour people ?
I don't mind 25 min or longer videos as far as it's interesting or entertaining. And you guys don't fail to entertain! And science is always good! 😊
I second that opinion. You guys are never boring . It’s good research
Awesome! Thank you!
Agreed, I could easily watch a 30 minute video, or longer from you guys!
Amen to that. These guys have the best videos to watch .
That was fun!
Don’t hesitate to do longer videos.
I’m all in for Going Ballistic 👍
Thank you gentlemen 🙏
You got it!
Level 3a is a pistol armor rating. While the RTS shield is incredible for exceeding that rating, it isn't really fare to compare them based off of rounds they aren't either one really rated for. In my opinion, would be more interesting to see these compared using common pistol rounds and shotgun loading, then the rifles separately with the understanding they exceed the rating.
A second video series showing the actually rifle rated Level 3 products from both companies would then be interesting
It was obviously bias from the getgo. For some odd reason they were glorifying steel armor (horrible armor as a consensus in the industry) while trying to diss a lightweight extremely affordable armor that if it performs as rated, would be an unbelievable deal. You can always buy an expensive UHMWPE armor
😮😮wow guys. Rts. Got to get me some. Great video. Can't wait for 2nd half.
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Yes, hope you enjoy them.
I wouldn't have minded it being a long video and testing both Shields I absolutely love this Channel and I really appreciate everything you guys do
Glad you like them!
I have always wanted to see this kind of proof from shields 👍🏻👍🏻
The full arm they make would be awesome to see what the rounds will do to your elbow to shoulder joint. Also that bottom edge torquing from the round impacting it could even break your forearm. but you would only be able to hold it up by the arm not the wood.
The science is so heavy in this episode. I love it. I think people forget even with shields or bulletproof vests you will still get hurt- some movies show that well, but many just make it look like you can take 20 rounds, and be fine with no bruising or other damage
You have lots of subs so you should know that according to BAM website they have a level 3A shield not 3A+, and who know since bought on eBay if it's real or a knock off.
That 500 definitely hits with some authority.
Long or short you make them we will watch them. Great one. Looking forward to seeing more of that 500 rifle in future episodes
The "Bad Armor, Man" part made me instantly press the like button
I've been waiting on this one. Great work, guys. 👏
Awesome! Thank you!
As usual another awesome video!!! Just about to watch part 2 now!!!
The arm should be the only thing supporting the shield.
And how on earth would you suggest they do that?
@@Millzspec I would use my brain to work out a way. You know like attaching the arm to a rod or something.
@@elemar5 would the rod not then be supporting the arm and the shield?
@@Millzspec The rod supports the arm, the arm supports the shield.
Even better. How is a prosthetic arm attached?
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Impressive piece of kit. Nice work guys.
Definitely need to chrony that .500. What a beast.
I think you can safely consider .500 S&W out of a rifle barrel a "Riffle" round.
It almost certainly had more energy than the 7.62x39 & 5.56.
Also had a higher velocity than the x39.
12 gauge slugs would have been good to try too.
That RTS is pretty good stuff. After you fix the frame you should try other rifle calibers with it. Good video.
Love the video, you do great work on educational demonstration of high energy impact. I think for future demonstration's of a similar situation mount the specimen horizontal instead of vertical to prevent the specimen attempting to escape downward.
Or use more duck tape.....
Great work and thank you.
Yea that 500 with the long gun platform is rather energetic!! I would be interested in seeing how much more energy it makes in a rifle vs pistol
Yeah we are gonna need a video on the 500 S&W mosin 😳 ASAP
It is a flipping beast
Man, that 500S&W Mosin is pretty cool.
man justin is rockin in that tactical flannel shirt. also l would love that 500 S&W rifle, that is one dead sexy bit of kit.
Tuco Salamanca is making ballistic vids
WOW I never miss your videos!!
Thanks 🙏
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You guys rock ... Love the videos. Keep them coming!.
Thanks! Will do!
That's some really tough stuff!!!
Longer the video the better 🎉
in my own mind i imagined a different video one thats 20 seconds where you just shoot the arm on the wrong side of the shield and just go “well that didnt work” and end
Fantastic channel guys. Love your content and your personalities.
Thanks so much!
Ballistic Shield can really protect.
The missis with the Thompson were nice and dramatic 👍
Arm bones go ouch
Very interesting experiment as always! Thanks for this new video 💀👍
Glad you enjoyed it
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Thanks Randy.
I thinks its not really the bone behind the shield but the shoulder and upper arm that would snap under pressure of that it broke the wood holding it
For this kind of subject matter I don't mind longer videos, am generally interested in what happens when "ballistic protection" stops a projectile. Just how much energy ends up in the target anyway and how f*cked would you be if that happened sort of thing and other similar questions.
Also, where can we see more about the 500S&W Mosin build?!
For sure!
Good and interesting video. Thanks for sharing. Guys take care.
Always thank the girls
You guys deserve so many more subscribers. Great test.👍
Thank you very much!
Man you guys are awesome
Futures so bright Justin gotta wear two shades 😎😎
With a powerful round probably splitting the arm bones into 2 parts too!
500 S&W Mosin? You need to dedicate a video to that!!
Will Do.
Great idea for a video 👍
Glad you think so!
Nice close feet stance, very stable.
The 500 has some punch
It would be cool to see a little mossin in 7.62x39. Can't remember the page but they did 2 parts on video and most time put out same day same time.
I would have definitely watched a longer video! Whatever is easiest for y’all I’m watching. I think if you could mount it so the arm is what is holding the shield it would allow the entire yield to transfer to the arm. Still awesome just my 1cent (figured inflation in)😂
Ok thanks!
Drinking game, take a drink every time Justin says ouch
Sounds like the crap Scott and Matt got from WISH LOL 😂
Maybe 10 gauge slug should work.
Nice mosin nagant🤩👍
I kinda wonder how much of the impact the wood drew away from the arm the wood shattered but the arm was untouched
I'm sure there was some but I am sure a lot of energy went straight through.
The 500 Mosin looks awesome!😊 Hell, they’re ALL awesome! I haven’t been able to shoot my own stuff in about 5 years; due to a disability; damnit!
Sorry to hear that.
@@GoingBallistic Thanks! I survived a stroke; but it left me hemiplegic on my left side and I was a left handed shooter with my rifles.
Nice shooting Justin! Great video!
great shooting and cool shelds
great video ;)
Mosin in 500 s&w is a mental flash bang
Be careful what you shoot at. Most things in here don't react well to bullets.
Are they making their chest plates out of the same material? That's impressive. If it stops a .308 AP it would be considered level IV, right?
I think it's technically 30-06 (black tip) AP that is the threshold for level 4.
I could be wrong, though.
@@pewpewTN I think you're right. Thanks
The experiment is flawed, though: it's the wooden frame that is absorbing the hits, not the "arm" which is just hanging. This is different from the actual situation where a person is holding the shield with their forearm - in that case the forearm has to absorb all the energy from the moving shield.
And we have another volunteer for holding a shield in a video for us. WOW, that's like 3 people now.
@@GoingBallistic Maybe instead of insulting your viewers for pointing out facts, you could admit your method was flawed and redo the experiment where you attach the arm to a single board and attach the shield to the same board so that it's like a sandwich with the arm in the middle. Also, don't use too wide of a base, you want the stand/target to wobble a bit with each shot
The arm can easily absorb energy, so frame or not makes little difference. Key be deformation or penetration
@@ShellShock794 I was not trying to insult you. It’s just no matter how we try it, someone Always has a better way we should have done a test.
If we did it your way someone else would say it was a bad test because of this or that.
I said this to other and they didn’t take it personally, just laughed.
It’s all in fun
I think it’s done well enough to give the audience an idea.
I know it takes a lot of work, but it would be cool to have the shield on a spring/rubberband braced bracket, so we could compare the knockback to a hard puch or front kick.
I was thinking something similar, like having a scale, strain gauge, or accelerometer on the shield to see what the relative impacts look like graphed out one to another. I think we forget about even though we calculate the energy of the projectile it was accelerated in a firearm someone was holding. True, there are some tricks to lessen felt recoil but in general the bigger the kick the bigger the hit, against something solid anyway.
I think that the 17 pound RTS shield might absorb more of that projectile energy then we give it credit.
I won if something couldn’t be farmergineered (crafty, inexpensive, and some relatable results) where we do like you say with some bungee cord stock for resistance and a piece of polystyrene foam insulation holding 3 or 4 yard sticks in place and as some friction to keep them from sliding beyond what the plate pushes them and average the movement of them to get the redneck punch factor equivalent?
Haven't even seen your first shot... But... If you want to gauge how much damage the arm would get from a non-penetrating shot... You have to have the arm hold the shield, not the shield holding up the arm.
Meaning, you would need more than just the forearm, and you would have to strap up the upper arm to your rig, the forearm to your shield, then shoot the shield.
Cool, I guess we have a volunteer for holding the shields in the next video.
I noticed this as well. It's a good video but the braces holding the shields take most of the force from the rounds. Did you see the second 500 shot knock the brace clean off and splinter the wood? All that energy would have been transferred to the arm if it wasn't for the brace stopping it first.
Well guys this is all we had to work with. I guarantee that there was a lot of energy that was transferred straight through into the arm. No not all but a lot.
Having worked in the armor vehicle industry it pretty amazing to see how energy is transferred through materials.
@@GoingBallistic I wholeheartedly agree. I say plenty of transfer as well. I just think the setup could have been optimized.
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I would love to see what a 50 bmg does to this setup.
Same thing it does to almost anything.
Blow straight through it like paper.
Great video
Thank you!
Great video.
A longer video would be fine with me.
Good to know!
That is a nice shirt Justin
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Uh. Well. Nuff said. And there is no question in my mind: this was not sponsored. No way a company wants you thinking about this too hard. I know my limits, they are far less than the limits of that wood and steel frame. BEST case; the second shot gets through cuz your arm is too numb to lift the shield again.
this and the quasar cannon
The whole time i was watching this i was racking my brain trying to figure out why they thought ANY round would break your arm. Either the bullet penetrates the shield or it doesn't. Its solid steel. A bullet only carries about as much energy as someone swinging a baseball bat at you full strength. Obviously one of these could easily absorb a bat hit. It's the penetration that kills you.
id try smaller Armour shields forearm mounted i think smaller shock absorbent plates with correct use of cover would be the best idea. run for cover use shield to protect head if taking an aim. if at least gives you more time to get a hit on the mark before they hit you
Just wondering 🤔 did you ever look in the barrel, and see if it's sandblasted?
Anyone of y'all wanna tell me how they could only support the shield with the arm? They have to prop it on something somewhere.
The BAM is going to be entertaining to watch. That vid is going to most likely take a bad product off the market.
Uploading it now, so look for it tomorrow.
Nice!
Looks like it’s better than getting your lungs punched out.
Nice video guys but a top tip. Don't put a body shield in a wooden frame when you're using it for real as you'll get splinter damage.
Haha I'm actually a fan of the long form videos. I think that's one reason @PNW_GUERRILLA has blew up. The long videos, great info, community, and laughs.
Glad you like them!
Ever try reciprocating saw blade body armor.?
Awesome video thank you 👍
Would be interesting to see 7.62x54R and 30-06 hit that one.
That is a nice shirt! I'm a fan of the type myself.
The biggest issue is that the wood is taking most of the damage. If the arm itself was supporting the weight of the shield it would be a different outcome
Maybe, but I got to work with what I can do.
Also, would be curious to the RTS performance against higher velocity cartridges. Velocity kills armor
Can you do a video where you sand a bullet down to make it sharper and compare it with a factory made one
Shytek
Got to ask what good are those shields are for other than being behind a barrier...??
Police, security, Riots, stuff like that.
I wonna see the 500 s and w rifle chronographed beside a 500 s and w pistol to see the fps differences please. Be a good video thanks
3A plus but stopped 308. Must meant to say 3 plus
Long videos are fine, however your testing rig is not.
It's an unrealistic test because the shield is fully supported in steel brackets. When the round hits, the energy is being dumped into the brackets and not the arm (which is why at the end, the wood shattered where it was being held in by the bracket).
You have to remember when you are holding the shield, your arm is ridgid and the only support for the shield.
In order to run a fair test, you would need a Newton Force scale that registers impacts placed behind the shield and see what each round is hitting at. From there we can then test how much force it would take to shatter human bones.
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Omg it stopped 308 amazing
but we all know you shot the other armour straight after this one so why you didnt just run them togeather ? unless you had to do it this way to honour the contract you had with the body armour people ?
No contract. I just didn't want to put out a 25-30 min video. Just a personal choice.
Nice 💪🏻
Thanks 🔥
Why not a side by side comparison instead of posting two videos?
I don't like posting 20+ min videos.
Have you ever hit the mounting hardware? Ive seen it become a secondary projectile.