Nicely said, it could also be as well, that with modern MMA, we're so used to seeing the main staples (bjj, boxing etc) that people can forget arts like savate and such.
I kind of have a very similar video that I’ve been working on. I’m to the point where I think style versus style debates are kind of silly. We use martial arts 99.99% of the time in self-contained, rules-based sports. When we see style versus style bouts, it’s most often the style that had the most say on developing the rule set that wins out. I just think these comparisons are kind of silly and rarely ever resolve in any way. I can’t remember the last time I’ve seen someone’s mind change due to a debate like this. But more than anything, I think styles quietly like these kinds of exchanges. It’s just free marketing… and a lot of people really like to drink their tribe’s koolaid. As someone whose been doing this stuff since I was a kind, I’d always advise people to just train the stuff they like-no one is under an obligation to justify their enjoyment of a martial art to someone. Just my take though.
Wrestling is wrestling is wrestling. It's all grappling and it's all wrestling. Judo, bjj, sambo, sumo, folkstyle, folkstyle, catch as catch can and luta livre is all wrestling at the end of the day, just different rule sets.
I agree on some aspects when practices are similar. However as an Aikidoka who has practiced several styles of Aikido I can honestly style does plan a big part. For example Tomiki, Iwama and Ki Aikido are all vastly different to the point they are nearly different martial arts.
Oh yeah, real differences exist, there's plenty of things that are worlds appart, I just don't get when people argue about practices that follow the exact same principles; pressure training, sparring, competitions etc. They can't be much different outside of arbitrary stuff
Completely agree with this. I think so many martial arts practitioners develop an almost tribal attitude toward their art, and often snub others who practice different arts. This can become so detrimental to their progress and is definitely something I've fallen victim to in the past.
I agree with you, however I'd like to add some nuance. The style you practice or the ruleset you compete in will influence the techniques you favor drastically. Like wrestling scoring so high and effectively in sanda and sambo will influence the fighters to use their striking to setup takedowns and their stance will be adapted to countering takedowns and kicks, or just the fact that boxers not using kicks makes them more vulnerable to them. All styles have their strengths and weaknesses but opposing them doesn't make much sense since we're way past the age of UFC 1. If you're a boxer you'll compete in boxing and that's it, if you want to move to an other sport, like MMA, even though some skills may crossover, you'll have to learn new positions, techniques and tactics.
I've been pretty interested in the JJIF but there's not a lot of info about it online, the US branch especially is pretty quiet online. It would be cool if you did videos about the history of the org and covering the rulesets you guys use. Like I'm curious if leg locks are allowed under any of those rules.
We will be doing a deeper dive into the JJIF soon! After this weekend we'll be filming and figuring out a video on it, maybe it becomes a series about rulesets!
I would like to know your opinion on the reason why many styles look the same is because of the influence of one style, for example sanda looks like kickboxing because the founders practice kickboxing, or jujitsu newaza looks like BJJ because coaches and trainers were BJJ practitioners.
That'd be a cool video! But in short you touched upon a big element that's part of the reason, even mma which is a drasticallly different sport than boxing and yet the rules, reffs, rounds, gloves etc. Is all an extention of "boxing culture" so for sure that plays a role in it
Any style or even dojo of Judo or Jiujitsu that's still in touch with katame waza is arguably literally doing the same thing by strategy, technique and lineage.
It seems that people throughout history just want to argue with each other. Here is an example, my God is better than your God and if you look more closely it is the same God but with just a different name XD
Take a Shot every time I say Arbitrary 💀😅
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Nicely said, it could also be as well, that with modern MMA, we're so used to seeing the main staples (bjj, boxing etc) that people can forget arts like savate and such.
Right! A lot of mma people tend to call takedowns "wrestling" and bottom movement and submissions "jiujitsu"
I kind of have a very similar video that I’ve been working on. I’m to the point where I think style versus style debates are kind of silly. We use martial arts 99.99% of the time in self-contained, rules-based sports. When we see style versus style bouts, it’s most often the style that had the most say on developing the rule set that wins out.
I just think these comparisons are kind of silly and rarely ever resolve in any way. I can’t remember the last time I’ve seen someone’s mind change due to a debate like this.
But more than anything, I think styles quietly like these kinds of exchanges. It’s just free marketing… and a lot of people really like to drink their tribe’s koolaid. As someone whose been doing this stuff since I was a kind, I’d always advise people to just train the stuff they like-no one is under an obligation to justify their enjoyment of a martial art to someone.
Just my take though.
That's a really great take, no doubt your video will be much better haha!
Wrestling is wrestling is wrestling. It's all grappling and it's all wrestling. Judo, bjj, sambo, sumo, folkstyle, folkstyle, catch as catch can and luta livre is all wrestling at the end of the day, just different rule sets.
I agree on some aspects when practices are similar. However as an Aikidoka who has practiced several styles of Aikido I can honestly style does plan a big part. For example Tomiki, Iwama and Ki Aikido are all vastly different to the point they are nearly different martial arts.
Oh yeah, real differences exist, there's plenty of things that are worlds appart, I just don't get when people argue about practices that follow the exact same principles; pressure training, sparring, competitions etc. They can't be much different outside of arbitrary stuff
ultimately its the fighter not the art.
Completely agree with this. I think so many martial arts practitioners develop an almost tribal attitude toward their art, and often snub others who practice different arts. This can become so detrimental to their progress and is definitely something I've fallen victim to in the past.
Yeah, I've fallen victim of that in my early martial arts days
I agree with you, however I'd like to add some nuance.
The style you practice or the ruleset you compete in will influence the techniques you favor drastically. Like wrestling scoring so high and effectively in sanda and sambo will influence the fighters to use their striking to setup takedowns and their stance will be adapted to countering takedowns and kicks, or just the fact that boxers not using kicks makes them more vulnerable to them.
All styles have their strengths and weaknesses but opposing them doesn't make much sense since we're way past the age of UFC 1. If you're a boxer you'll compete in boxing and that's it, if you want to move to an other sport, like MMA, even though some skills may crossover, you'll have to learn new positions, techniques and tactics.
Oh yeah, 100% agree, I've covered that nuanced point in previous videos, here I just glazed over comments I often see
Good video!
I've been pretty interested in the JJIF but there's not a lot of info about it online, the US branch especially is pretty quiet online.
It would be cool if you did videos about the history of the org and covering the rulesets you guys use. Like I'm curious if leg locks are allowed under any of those rules.
We will be doing a deeper dive into the JJIF soon! After this weekend we'll be filming and figuring out a video on it, maybe it becomes a series about rulesets!
I would like to know your opinion on the reason why many styles look the same is because of the influence of one style, for example sanda looks like kickboxing because the founders practice kickboxing, or jujitsu newaza looks like BJJ because coaches and trainers were BJJ practitioners.
That'd be a cool video! But in short you touched upon a big element that's part of the reason, even mma which is a drasticallly different sport than boxing and yet the rules, reffs, rounds, gloves etc. Is all an extention of "boxing culture" so for sure that plays a role in it
Any style or even dojo of Judo or Jiujitsu that's still in touch with katame waza is arguably literally doing the same thing by strategy, technique and lineage.
100%
It seems that people throughout history just want to argue with each other. Here is an example, my God is better than your God and if you look more closely it is the same God but with just a different name XD
If I had a penny for every historical situation like that I'd be employing Elon Musk right now hahahah
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