The WORST Rule In Soccer

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  • Опубліковано 26 гру 2024

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  • @darthsilversith667
    @darthsilversith667 6 років тому +34

    In summary.. GET GUD or shut up!

  • @juanmagg5909
    @juanmagg5909 6 років тому +81

    The past week Japan became the first team ever to advance from group stage, BY FAIRPLAY

  • @margentf1
    @margentf1 7 років тому +97

    From the 2018 World Cup there is an additional tiebreaker before drawing of lots: Fair Play Conduct points ( -1pt for yellow card, -3pts for red via 2 yellows, -4pts for direct red card and -5pts for direct red card after getting a yellow earlier). In addition UEFA's EUROs now use their National Coefficient as a last tiebreaker before drawing lots.

    • @PenandPaper
      @PenandPaper  7 років тому +6

      Thanks for watching Michael. I saw that away goals and Fair Play points are used to break ties in qualification for the 2018 FIFA World Cup, but I can't find the official book for the actual World Cup for 2018. Where did you find this?

    • @margentf1
      @margentf1 7 років тому +6

      Page 43 of the updated FIFA World Cup 2018 Regulations (downloadable from www.fifa.com/worldcup/organisation/documents/ ). I believe this was not used in 2014 but was used by UEFA in EURO 2016.
      Also while Away Goals is normally referred to club competitions (Champions League and Europa League) it is also used in Qualifying stage for World Cups and EUROs (slightly different implementation in each).

    • @margentf1
      @margentf1 7 років тому

      Page 27 (above reference) for World Cup Qualifiers mentions Away Goals counting double in a 2 way tie as a 7th tiebreaker before Fair Play Conduct and finally lots

    • @margentf1
      @margentf1 7 років тому

      Away Goals rule used in EUROs too during Qualifying stage. Regulations avaiable at bottom of this page: www.uefa.com/uefaeuro/news/newsid=2039404.html

    • @PenandPaper
      @PenandPaper  7 років тому +3

      Nice, thanks for pulling the reference. (I couldn't find it) I have a memory of Fair Play being a later-on tie breaker (maybe in South Africa?) but it wasn't in Brazil.
      Well I'm glad FIFA listened to this video and changed the rules (and so quickly). This takes the chances of drawing lots from once in a generation to twice in a millennium.

  • @juanpinedoallerand5095
    @juanpinedoallerand5095 6 років тому +57

    Now they've implemented amount of yellow/red cards as a tie breaker

    • @nassimb7151
      @nassimb7151 6 років тому +3

      Yeah but what if that's a tie also

    • @loohpjames
      @loohpjames 5 років тому +1

      @@nassimb7151 club/country coefficient (in some competitions only) then the drawing of lots

    • @MrJosdp
      @MrJosdp 3 роки тому

      @@nassimb7151 although very unlikely Looph has answered it below. in last world cup Japan got out of the group because less cards over an African country. red is three yellow is 1

  • @Ronakvevo
    @Ronakvevo 7 років тому +44

    They should play a match on fifa video game where they all control their own player so and of there is more than 2 then there should be a fifa league or tournament and if there is a tie in that then it's next goal wins until a team scores a goal.

  • @HpPmL
    @HpPmL 6 років тому +41

    LOL, Austria-Belize-Chad-Djibouti sounds like a very exciting WC group !

  • @rishavmitra5732
    @rishavmitra5732 Рік тому +1

    Apart from the fairplay points that many have mentioned, some tournaments also play a penalty shootout if 2 teams are tied and they meet on the last matchday

  • @GabrielMatter123
    @GabrielMatter123 4 роки тому +2

    2018 World Cup (as other people already commented), Fair Play rule is added, and UEFA used a Coefficient rule at the 2016 EUROs. Basically, a team which has higher coefficient (that means, a team which is on a higher spot in the rankings) advances and goes through.

    • @shalyfemusic
      @shalyfemusic 2 роки тому

      What judges if the team has a higher score in the rankings tho

    • @GabrielMatter123
      @GabrielMatter123 2 роки тому

      @@shalyfemusic what do you mean? Also damn, didn't expect someone to reply to a two year old comment, hahah

  • @NateNakao
    @NateNakao 6 років тому +4

    And we saw a new rule come into play this year with Japan and Senegal. Japan advanced on having fewer bookings.

  • @ilregulator
    @ilregulator 4 роки тому +1

    Before the coin toss there's the Fairplay-rule. Per game any player could "earn" points for cards. These points would be subtracted from the team's points.
    Yellow card: 1 Point
    Yellow-red card (a second yellow): 3 points
    Red card: 4 points
    Yellow and a red card: 5 points
    (Every player could only fulfill one (or none) of the criteria)

  • @raulcortez1099
    @raulcortez1099 6 років тому +4

    Uh, after goals scored, the tie breaker is the fair play rule. We saw this between Japan and Senegal.

  • @Jivvi
    @Jivvi 4 роки тому +1

    For three-way tie, you could totally have a penalty shoot-out between three teams. Each team gets 10 shots, five against each opponent, and scores 2 points for each goal scores, and -1 for each goal conceded, with sudden death if necessary.

  • @SherlockHolmes-di7tr
    @SherlockHolmes-di7tr 7 років тому +5

    Nice, will you upload frequently again?

  • @yashmodi8668
    @yashmodi8668 6 років тому +8

    Spain and Portugal came so close to a coin toss in 2018, it was insane.

  • @thehoax9617
    @thehoax9617 7 років тому +5

    The UEFA Euro 2016 Tiebreaker list also includes fair play conduct and the UEFA national team coefficient ranking system. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2016#Tiebreakers

    • @PenandPaper
      @PenandPaper  7 років тому +2

      +The Hoax I know could you imagine tieing all those levels then UEFA say, "well they have a higher rank so they go through" I think that's worse than a coin toss/drawing lots. Or if anything, after all those ties the worse ranked team should go forward since they tied a "better" team.

  • @cactitiger
    @cactitiger 4 роки тому +1

    I think there’s some other tiebreakers they could add. They just added disciplinary points and some other ones could be shots or shots on goal or possession.

  • @salicus
    @salicus 6 років тому +2

    There are some confusions with the order W-L-D and (the in European soccer more common) W-D-L in your standings.

  • @nathanwalker3645
    @nathanwalker3645 7 років тому +12

    sorry to be pedantic but in your ireland Netherlands slide, you have it as w/l/d which means the lost 3 instead of drawing 3

    • @PenandPaper
      @PenandPaper  7 років тому +3

      Damn it! I messed that up. Good catch and thank you for apologizing!

    • @nathanwalker3645
      @nathanwalker3645 7 років тому +3

      no bother as an Englishman (well Geordie) and a big fan of your work (although recent subscriber) I thought I would point it out to keep up your standards.

  • @gregginoza8959
    @gregginoza8959 6 років тому +1

    This happened in the 2018 SAFF Championship
    Also the winner of the coin toss became the champion

  • @SoupySpirit
    @SoupySpirit 6 років тому +2

    What if a theoretical 4 way tie where every game ended in a 0-0 draw?

    • @farhanm.10
      @farhanm.10 3 роки тому

      Least yellow and red cards

  • @jzuzcordova2834
    @jzuzcordova2834 7 років тому +2

    it was so long since your last video that your voice sounds different haha. you should do one of the conference cup since its this year or offside 101 a guide for americans like the european one you did haha.

    • @PenandPaper
      @PenandPaper  7 років тому

      Funny, I am maturing as I age.
      Yeah, Confed. Cup is a really cool tournament and I have an offside bit in the works as well. Stay tuned either next week or in like 3 years when my voice is even more matured! Thanks for watching.

  • @4mazing_444
    @4mazing_444 6 років тому +1

    u forgot the fair play rule when the team with the most yellow and red cards loses

  • @floydmoneymayweather1393
    @floydmoneymayweather1393 7 років тому +4

    02:23 sorry but you messed up with England,they should've had 3 points not 4 beacuse the won 1 and lost 2.

    • @PenandPaper
      @PenandPaper  7 років тому +3

      Yep, good catch. The title at the top of that column should read W-D-L, Eng should actually have 5 points.
      Thanks for watching.

    • @tchujdenetza
      @tchujdenetza 6 років тому +1

      You seem to forget that 3 pts for win are pretty recent decision. Throughout whole soccer history only 2 pts were given for win. In fact they have decided to increase them to 3 for two reasons: A) This would decrease fixed games as draw would be almost a loss (1/3 of a win is much worse than 1/2 of a win) and B) Teams will fight much more aggressively for a win, because of the same reason. So England did have 4 pts.

    • @gonzalosanchez1575
      @gonzalosanchez1575 6 років тому

      tchujdenetza Petrov Exactly

  • @hareecionelson5875
    @hareecionelson5875 4 роки тому

    2:21 I don't understand how England has lost 2 games in this table when the other 3 teams have no wins between them? Also, how England has 4 points from 1 win and 2 losses or how Egypt has drawn 1, but no other team has a draw?

    • @MWalkah
      @MWalkah 4 роки тому +1

      It's W - D - L (which is way more common in football) instead of W - L - D. They are just mislabeled.
      Also, in 1990 a win was worth 2 points instead of the current 3 (this change was made by FIFA in 1995), hence why England has 4 points from 1 win and 2 draws instead of 5.

    • @hareecionelson5875
      @hareecionelson5875 4 роки тому

      @@MWalkah Thanks :)

    • @tchujdenetza
      @tchujdenetza 4 роки тому

      @@MWalkah The 3-point-for-a-win rule was changed prior to 1995. The World Cup in 1994 was already counting 3 points for victory.

    • @MWalkah
      @MWalkah 4 роки тому

      ​@@tchujdenetza You are right. The 3 point for a win (first debuted in England in 1981) was indeed used in the 1994 World Cup, but was only "formally adopted" by FIFA in the following year, 1995, as I previously stated. Some other national leagues and associations made the change prior or after that as well.
      However, the 1990 World Cup depicted in the video still used the 2 points for a win system.

  • @IntricateUniverse25
    @IntricateUniverse25 6 років тому

    They now have added the fair play rule before the coin flip. Whichever of the two teams who received less yellow and red cards advances.

  • @nassimb7151
    @nassimb7151 6 років тому +1

    They should do tie breaker based on fifa ranking if they have same gd, goals, cards, etc.

  • @Pomaufour
    @Pomaufour 4 роки тому

    Why not use the total time it took both teams to score all their goals ?

  • @rdpaik
    @rdpaik 5 років тому

    Anything would be better than a coin toss. How about most "non-penalty shot" goals scored as one tiebreaker (b/c some of these penalty shot goals are so cheap or controversial)? Another tiebreaker can also differentiate (albeit it'll be rare) goals scored (by yourself) vs "own goals" scored (deflected by the other team). Another one can be "first" goal scored. Yes, you can still have a tie at the end - and be forced to do a coin toss - but the idea is to create as many tiebreakers as possible to avoid the dreaded coin toss.

  • @Grivian
    @Grivian 3 роки тому

    They should battle it out in a multiplayer FIFA game where each player plays themselves

  • @awesome_menneke
    @awesome_menneke 6 років тому +9

    I genuinely thought he was going to talk about the offside rule.

    • @holee5222
      @holee5222 6 років тому +7

      Awesome_Menneke Offside is s good rule in my opinion

    • @mana-wx4er
      @mana-wx4er 6 років тому +7

      are you crazy? offside rule is a very good rule

  • @scottmuck
    @scottmuck 4 роки тому

    I mean, it’s a sport where games are routinely tied or decided by a difference of only 1 goal. So luck is the biggest determining factor in most games if similar skill level...

  • @ouhichichedli9231
    @ouhichichedli9231 7 років тому +1

    it happen in Africa cup of nation 2015 between Guinea and Mali and Guinea qualified to the next round

  • @ozumsauce2605
    @ozumsauce2605 6 років тому

    I'm pretty sure they look at goals conceded after it's still tied on goals scored

  • @kristoffergrum1269
    @kristoffergrum1269 6 років тому +1

    the tie is broken by fair-play, so the team with most yellow and red cards go home..

  • @fishy-c9e
    @fishy-c9e 7 років тому

    I've actually been researching for months in curiosity to find out how this works.

    • @PenandPaper
      @PenandPaper  7 років тому +1

      Thanks For Watching!
      Actually, for the 2017 World Cup, they will take yellow cards and red cards into account before Drawing Lots. My Bad.

  • @RL-ue4dz
    @RL-ue4dz 3 роки тому

    Actually what they should do is have shots on open goals while they are each in different cities and the shots would be taken from very far distances(from the other side of the pitch) until either of them miss.. So basically they would be competing while they aren't in the same place, that would actually be very fair
    And you would have it broadcasted live and they would each be in contact with each other and you would have a referee for each team making sure everything is done correctly

  • @chibbert1019
    @chibbert1019 6 років тому +1

    It’s on fair play whoever has the least yellow cards go through

  • @Karrimor18
    @Karrimor18 3 роки тому

    There has to be some tie breaker. Maybe they should get the captains to play a best of three rock-paper-scissors. I still find the away goal rule to be more egregious than this one.

  • @tonyh7994
    @tonyh7994 7 років тому +3

    Celtic were once knocked out of Europe on the toss of a coin

    • @benficahaz
      @benficahaz 6 років тому +1

      Tony Harley. They also "qualified" with coin toss against BENFICA. I played against the celtic boys in the United States as a youngster and I have supported Celtic ever since. BENFICA is in my blood tho. FORÇA BENFICA and CELTIC

  • @riverofblood4362
    @riverofblood4362 3 роки тому

    A good solution would be to award second place to the highest ranked nation. For example, if Spain and Portugal completely tied for 2nd, Spain would go forward since they have a higher FIFA rank.

  • @jackodees1765
    @jackodees1765 7 років тому +10

    You forgot one thing: The results in the matches between the two tied teams.

  • @hughmungus5529
    @hughmungus5529 7 років тому +1

    why wouldn't they organize a playoff

    • @PenandPaper
      @PenandPaper  7 років тому +5

      +Tudor Costache thanks for watching Tudor. A one game playoff would be ideal; however, with the schedule at the World Cup there are only a few days between the end of the group stage and the next scheduled matches in the knockout round. Whatever team won a one game playoff would be too tired (2 days rest) to play well.

    • @Jivvi
      @Jivvi 4 роки тому

      @@PenandPaper They could make it a shorter match, or even play with less players so they have more fresh players for the next match. Or they could just do a penalty shoot-out.

  • @kevinmoynihan5118
    @kevinmoynihan5118 7 років тому

    They should have a shootout at the site of the round of 32 game an hour before the game to determine who moves on. For one team the travel would be necessary anyways and I'm sure that a team would rather travel and not play a game in order to be in control of their own destiny than leave it up to chance.

    • @broombroomstickempahpahsti4441
      @broombroomstickempahpahsti4441 6 років тому

      Good thinking but the team that qualified would not know who they were playing and would not be able to choose thier players and tactics accordingly to who thwy were playing.

  • @RES2345
    @RES2345 3 роки тому

    ….allowing fake flops or injuries is the worst ‘rule’ by far

  • @ilyichoblomov
    @ilyichoblomov 2 роки тому

    In 1968 Soviet Union got eliminated in semifinals of European championship after a coin toss

  • @christianzeugna
    @christianzeugna 3 роки тому +1

    0:23
    costa rica
    uruguay
    *ITALY*
    *ENGLAND*
    so fucking true bro

    • @Aden068
      @Aden068 2 роки тому

      Fuck the video

  • @eydin1768
    @eydin1768 4 роки тому

    This sharing so good!👍✔

  • @userSchlonsch
    @userSchlonsch 3 роки тому

    Just sit the two captains down in front a PlayStation and break the tie in an online match of FIFA…

  • @brightgrantson7
    @brightgrantson7 4 роки тому

    Waw. I really learnt history today. THanks bro

  • @mrtau6279
    @mrtau6279 6 років тому

    This is what I've been looking for....tie breaker rule

  • @partista77
    @partista77 4 роки тому

    Benfica Lost a Champions final due to a coin toss. Check it out. A good way to find the winner can be the yellows and red cards

  • @JohnyWalker65
    @JohnyWalker65 3 роки тому

    But what happens when it ends like this?
    Teams A, B , C and D
    A win B 1-0
    C win D 1-0
    B win C 1-0
    D win A 1-0
    A draw C 0-0
    B draw D 0-0
    A 4 points 0 goal difference
    B 4 points 0 goal difference
    C 4 points 0 goal difference
    D 4 points 0 goal difference

  • @MrPrandhir
    @MrPrandhir 3 роки тому

    I think there must be no draw in football. Even, group stage must have extra time and penalty shootout. This will remove the confusion. Results will be there so any team with most will go.

  • @ahnaflfc369
    @ahnaflfc369 4 роки тому

    Why can't there be a play off

  • @yhctekS
    @yhctekS 3 роки тому

    1:28 table is impossible

  • @Malbabo
    @Malbabo 6 років тому +1

    Thats hardly the worse rule. IMO the worse rule is the off-side rule (as it stands now).

  • @Tan3l6
    @Tan3l6 6 років тому

    Offside?

  • @phillytiger
    @phillytiger 6 років тому

    I thought this would be about offside.

  • @bostoncurtis9559
    @bostoncurtis9559 5 років тому +1

    And this is why I watch Football 🏈

    • @filmwale5188
      @filmwale5188 5 років тому

      And I watch cricket

    • @Jivvi
      @Jivvi 4 роки тому

      Handegg 🏈 is not football ⚽

    • @bostoncurtis9559
      @bostoncurtis9559 4 роки тому

      Jivan Scarano I agree Football is a silly name for 🏈 But it is mostly an American sport and thrives in America, just like most of the other sports in the world do, other than football ⚽️ which is way more popular over the rest of the world. 👍

    • @Battle.Tomato
      @Battle.Tomato 3 роки тому

      @@Jivvi shut up man

  • @thedictationofallah
    @thedictationofallah 3 роки тому

    they should play mord games if a tie happened

  • @xxpeterpineapple34xx88
    @xxpeterpineapple34xx88 6 років тому

    I think you meant offside

  • @bjd4
    @bjd4 4 роки тому

    or you could, you know, have a shootout after every single game so there aren't any ties

  • @ThisOldHat
    @ThisOldHat 6 років тому +1

    I'm surprised he didn't mention how only one player on each team is allowed to pick up the ball with their hands. It really makes the whole sport an awkward farce if you ask me.

  • @dylansol3950
    @dylansol3950 7 років тому

    What I don't get is that England were on 4 points with 1 win and 2 losses that means they should have 3 points

    • @doctorwhoarchive8755
      @doctorwhoarchive8755 6 років тому

      It was meant to be 1 win and 2 draws which would've made 4 points

    • @haydendyer5248
      @haydendyer5248 6 років тому

      Doctor Who Archive no it wouldn't that's five points

    • @pablosorbara2280
      @pablosorbara2280 6 років тому

      You only got 2 points for winning up until 1998 if I'm not mistaken

    • @tomathron8342
      @tomathron8342 6 років тому

      Pablo Sorbara You only got 2 points for a win up until the 1994 World Cup. This was because of the slow play of Italia ‘90. The addition of a third point for a win was added to make teams search for a winner and to play to get the win from the start, as a single win would be as valuable as drawing all 3 group matches.

    • @pablosorbara2280
      @pablosorbara2280 6 років тому

      Tom Athron Thanks, I was not entirely sure in which World Cup it was changed, I knew it was one from the '90s and the 1990 World Cup was played with the old score system

  • @deansworld27
    @deansworld27 2 роки тому

    Just simulate a match on a FIFA game instead of a coin toss

  • @CoL_Drake
    @CoL_Drake 6 років тому

    so its good they now use the fair play rule

  • @kkb5279
    @kkb5279 5 років тому

    this has never been used in a worldcup, let me know if it has.

  • @scruffysean3640
    @scruffysean3640 6 років тому

    LOL... póg mo thóin NED!

  • @adittyashah8068
    @adittyashah8068 5 років тому +1

    Your efforts should get sought out

  • @robinthemagicconchshell1246
    @robinthemagicconchshell1246 6 років тому +2

    No, the worst rule in soccer is the away goals rule.

  • @gnihtonisststh9666
    @gnihtonisststh9666 6 років тому

    fairplay rules

  • @Moccalocca100
    @Moccalocca100 2 роки тому

    FiFA mafia

  • @mortynelton1128
    @mortynelton1128 4 роки тому

    How effective is Episoketren System? I have heard many awesome things about this popular training course.

  • @matteoDiRubbo
    @matteoDiRubbo 6 років тому

    The team who has the highest fifa ranking should pass

    • @PenandPaper
      @PenandPaper  6 років тому +1

      I think the opposite. If you have tied in all things, the lower ranked team should go through because if they are the worse team, they have played better to tie a better team.

    • @matteoDiRubbo
      @matteoDiRubbo 6 років тому

      Pen and Paper but less chance to succeed in the championship if they have a lower ranking

  • @roywilliams4187
    @roywilliams4187 4 роки тому

    We talking about the world game here and we call it ‘football’ please use our vocabulary.

  • @merseydave1
    @merseydave1 7 років тому +1

    Lets take a look at the abbreviation of our footballing body F. I. F. A. it means the Federation of International FOOTBALL Associations, as The World Name, for The World Game is FOOTBALL ... FACT!.

  • @promisefredrick5993
    @promisefredrick5993 3 роки тому

    WHY ARE YOU SAYING SOCCER. ITS FOOTBALL

    • @Aden068
      @Aden068 2 роки тому +1

      It’s the same thing

  • @mattsepu
    @mattsepu 7 років тому

    Finally!!

  • @J2E2W2
    @J2E2W2 4 роки тому

    you are wrong

  • @finn.schttlr
    @finn.schttlr 7 років тому +1

    boycott2022!