For anyone watching this more recently and wanting more make sure you hop on Vervaeke's "Awakening from the meaning crisis" longer course, published in 2019.
Vervaeke is one of the most memorable profs I ever had. His Philosophy of Psychology course opened my mind in several ways I never would have thought possible. Excellent video, fantastic work and research, I expected nothing less than magnificence from him.
Prof. Vervaeke exudes fervour and passion for teaching that leaves one awestruck and dumbfounded , and yet you'll never get more neuroenlightened than the moment you reach "AHA!" that he sparks so beautifully.
My favourite talk of the event. It was engaging, powerful, and answered a lot of questions I had regarding the existential state the worlds seems to be in. Love it, and I would watch it again and again!
what exactly did it answer? lol This guy is just throwing out hypothesises of what we could do if we at some point would have some sort of technology to alter the way people use their brains. How are you gonna force people to use these devices if you're goal is to actually make them do something you want, which might not be the same thing as they want. he shows some interesting data but everything else is super far fetched
The plasticity of the human mind, „breaking frames“ to achieve cognitive flexibility, alter cognition and consciousness, solving insight prpblems, and self-regulation!! More please, Prof. Vervaeke!
Amazing and very intelligent Prof! Had him in Learning and Plasticity Class. He definitely knows his stuff and has a gift in teaching. One of UofT's bests!
It's time we focus on internal rather than just external.. G8 Talk., Finally Science is realising wisdom is more important than just facts n that's A FACT
Hello John, thanks so much for all the material you make available. I'm enjoying very much the awakening talks and your meditation classes. I want to ask if there is something more about the use of tcds and insight you can point to? Thanks again!
With your beautiful wonderful and mindful Meaningful Melding Thought forms disguising the hidden arts of living marks the beginning of second axial flow state phase transitional mode altered applications.
It seems to me that it simply takes a mathematically trained mind to solve the 9 dot problem in less than a couple minutes. First you notice that each line you draw after the first one will cover at most 2 new dots (because you´ve already covered the starting dot, and there are no 4 collinear dots). Then you notice that 9=3+2+2+2, so if there is a solution then it needs to cover exactly 2 new dots with each line after the first one. Pursuing a choice of lines satisfying this necessary condition forces you to go outside the box.
Well John, you are an other giant who does not act like one, like your friend Jordan Peterson. Must be Toronto air ; ) Saw other Videos of you and yesterday also, you both debating. Was the best debate I've ever seen: deep, funny and at the edge! Thanks for all you do John!
What to How to go outside the box Break the frame and make more appropriate framing Self regulation Gratification paradigm Cyber technology Neurofeedback - biofeedback TMS tDCS Cyborg technologies
For wisdom I go to Muhyiddin Ibn Arabi, Advaita Vedanta, Buddhist teachings, mythologies, the wisdom of indigenous peoples and more... you dont need institutional or cultural support to find sources of wisdom, it is here for the taking and it predates cognitive science which is just adding it to the map! Doesnt it underpin everything?
We know that the Greek pre-socratics, right back to Thales the very first Greek sage, in that same First Axial Age, studied under Egyptian Priests. Also Pythagoras. I understand that many others did as well but I wish to be objective with my citations. We also have later religious accounts of the ... magical knowledge if you will (sacred? scientific?)... of the Egyptians. (For example, the book of Exodus, and much later after Greece established the library of Alexandria, Jesus grew up in Egypt learning to a scholarly level with 3 languages and accounts of his knowledge). There is also prevalent accounts of the Eastern wisdom, that is regarded as ancient I would infer, being transmitted to the West. So it seems that Western civilization was wildly impacted by something that helped cause the First Axial Age. Perhaps, the first Axial Age was the Second. I argue the facts suggest it was.
Maybe. Seshat History of the Axial Age (2019) found that _“axiality” as a cluster of traits emerged time and again whenever societies reached a certain threshold of scale and level of complexity_
Wala nang bago sa pinagsasabi niya. Kahit anong kuryente mo sa utak mo, di niya mapupunan ung void or vacuum of destruction of moral and spiritual values. But they’re very helpful nonetheless but no way can they save the world. It’s more for personal consumption rather than social transformation. You can only wish to become individually woke and enlightened, you cannot force others to do the same.
Vervaeke presents nothing new. He is a footnote to Heidegger and Hubert Dreyfus, a follower of Heidegger who was the first to highlight the limitations in research into A1 around 50 years ago.
Anyone who accepts the nonsensical “solution“ to the task set with the nine dots has failed the real test of “detecting when they’re being mislead” through semantic ambiguity.
MnemoHistory - am I correctly inferring that your tone is dismissive, or is that just my projection based on inability to see your face or hear your voice? It sounds like your assertion is that the professor (or anyone posing this problem) is tricking people if they don't point out that the inferred frame creates a false limitation. Isn't that an alternate version of "b-b-but you cheated." The thing is, the world is chock full of just these kinds of semantically misleading frames. Almost everything you watch on TV, UA-cam, etc. depends on us staying faithful to the invisible implied frame in order to wrangle us into being good consumers. This professor, thru this talk and his courses, is one of the best and most honestly sincere efforts to help a large number of people see that each of us needs to be aware of this implicit frame formed by semantic ambiguity *without* being told. Did everyone see the implicit frame I created? It might seem that I disagree, and yet that I'm polite and inciteful, and that my remarks are opposed to what MnemoHistory said, but that isn't true. He/She didn't make a claim about the professor, but only about the folks who don't see that the challenge is a meta-problem. Any frame you are given for free is likely a trap. This one may be the exception; it is more of a universal key to free yourself from the matrix.
@BeyondSideshow - Yep, I agree. That frame also makes sense. From this perspective, it feels like someone who is trying to learn the science behind a magic trick is complaining because the trick is just the skill of misdirection, and not really showing the true magic. The true magic is seeing that we hallucinate the “truth.”
What Persia as a centre for the axial age? Zoroastrianism, duh? Funny how these left-over vestiges of colonial racism is so hard for some people to get rid of!
For anyone watching this more recently and wanting more make sure you hop on Vervaeke's "Awakening from the meaning crisis" longer course, published in 2019.
I hope Vervaeke gets more popular. The world needs to hear his arguments.
Vervaeke is one of the most memorable profs I ever had. His Philosophy of Psychology course opened my mind in several ways I never would have thought possible. Excellent video, fantastic work and research, I expected nothing less than magnificence from him.
@UA-cam, I think many more people could benefit from seeing this today than the number who have seen it to date.
Prof. Vervaeke exudes fervour and passion for teaching that leaves one awestruck and dumbfounded , and yet you'll never get more neuroenlightened than the moment you reach "AHA!" that he sparks so beautifully.
My favourite talk of the event. It was engaging, powerful, and answered a lot of questions I had regarding the existential state the worlds seems to be in. Love it, and I would watch it again and again!
what exactly did it answer? lol
This guy is just throwing out hypothesises of what we could do if we at some point would have some sort of technology to alter the way people use their brains. How are you gonna force people to use these devices if you're goal is to actually make them do something you want, which might not be the same thing as they want. he shows some interesting data but everything else is super far fetched
The plasticity of the human mind, „breaking frames“ to achieve cognitive flexibility, alter cognition and consciousness, solving insight prpblems, and self-regulation!! More please, Prof. Vervaeke!
JV is a Genius. We need a radical shift in Human Consciousness.
This talk is seriously mind-blowing and enlightening. thanks for sharing your wirsdom, professor.
Simply, and complexly incredible.
Amazing and very intelligent Prof! Had him in Learning and Plasticity Class. He definitely knows his stuff and has a gift in teaching. One of UofT's bests!
Psychotechnology:
1. Alphabetic Literacy
2. Coinage
3. Numeracy
4. Mindfulness, Contemplation, Yoga
5. Very complex social organization
It's time we focus on internal rather than just external..
G8 Talk., Finally Science is realising wisdom is more important than just facts n that's A FACT
one of the best ted talk, so much info and wisdom
So cool lecture...I love it
Absolutely powerful! This man is a prophetic of coming human enlightenment! Hope to meet him some day.
Man, I'm so excited about this
Wow. Only 53k views? Astounding.
I love this guy. The bursts of energy! Gets me goin. Let’s save the world with psychotechnology and wisdom feedback loops!!! 💪🏼😁
Definitely one of the best profs I have had at UofT! Great TEDTalk
Hello John, thanks so much for all the material you make available. I'm enjoying very much the awakening talks and your meditation classes.
I want to ask if there is something more about the use of tcds and insight you can point to? Thanks again!
optimizes itself for the interface (culture)
With your beautiful wonderful and mindful Meaningful Melding Thought forms disguising the hidden arts of living marks the beginning of second axial flow state phase transitional mode altered applications.
It seems to me that it simply takes a mathematically trained mind to solve the 9 dot problem in less than a couple minutes. First you notice that each line you draw after the first one will cover at most 2 new dots (because you´ve already covered the starting dot, and there are no 4 collinear dots). Then you notice that 9=3+2+2+2, so if there is a solution then it needs to cover exactly 2 new dots with each line after the first one. Pursuing a choice of lines satisfying this necessary condition forces you to go outside the box.
I miss his classes so much.
What's with the slides being all messed up?
Fascinating
Well John, you are an other giant who does not act like one, like your friend Jordan Peterson. Must be Toronto air ; ) Saw other Videos of you and yesterday also, you both debating. Was the best debate I've ever seen: deep, funny and at the edge! Thanks for all you do John!
a popular occurance of a external brain connection is in avatar. (not the air bender)
Johnny V!!!🤩✍🙋♂️
this was freaking MIND BLOWING
17:52 baasically merging with AI to optimizefxn of conciousness as time moves on
Imagine how would we evolve if human longevity would stretch
into 200-300 years, what kind of masters there would be?..
Why on earth would someone downvote this? Lol, some people...
wow what program do i need to take to hear this guy WOW
Cognitive science!
he has a youtube channel now, teaching about all that :)
What to How to go outside the box
Break the frame and make more appropriate framing
Self regulation
Gratification paradigm
Cyber technology
Neurofeedback - biofeedback
TMS
tDCS
Cyborg technologies
For wisdom I go to Muhyiddin Ibn Arabi, Advaita Vedanta, Buddhist teachings, mythologies, the wisdom of indigenous peoples and more... you dont need institutional or cultural support to find sources of wisdom, it is here for the taking and it predates cognitive science which is just adding it to the map! Doesnt it underpin everything?
information glut + wisdom famine. now there's an insight :)
Prof. Vervaeke rules.
But does it save us? Or is just the world?
We know that the Greek pre-socratics, right back to Thales the very first Greek sage, in that same First Axial Age, studied under Egyptian Priests. Also Pythagoras. I understand that many others did as well but I wish to be objective with my citations. We also have later religious accounts of the ... magical knowledge if you will (sacred? scientific?)... of the Egyptians. (For example, the book of Exodus, and much later after Greece established the library of Alexandria, Jesus grew up in Egypt learning to a scholarly level with 3 languages and accounts of his knowledge). There is also prevalent accounts of the Eastern wisdom, that is regarded as ancient I would infer, being transmitted to the West. So it seems that Western civilization was wildly impacted by something that helped cause the First Axial Age.
Perhaps, the first Axial Age was the Second. I argue the facts suggest it was.
Maybe it was just a continuation. Maybe it was a distributed phenomenon and it's to spread to talk of 2 seperated ages.
Maybe. Seshat History of the Axial Age (2019) found that _“axiality” as a cluster of traits emerged time and again whenever societies reached a certain threshold of scale and level of complexity_
Awesome
Super science
Jung thought that Psychology and Physics were tightly networked.
Information glut
Wisdom famine
Is he saying he’s a transhumanist?
sorted
Sabi ni Mark Manson sukang suka na siya sa Marshmallow Test
I hope this guy is right.
Me too
Same, I'm terrified he might be wrong, and that maybe I'm just crazy
No all those psychotechnologies will not save us, cannot fill the void of the destruction of Christianity and social moral fabric
And 9 years later neurolink is starting its first human trials, lol
Wala nang bago sa pinagsasabi niya. Kahit anong kuryente mo sa utak mo, di niya mapupunan ung void or vacuum of destruction of moral and spiritual values. But they’re very helpful nonetheless but no way can they save the world. It’s more for personal consumption rather than social transformation. You can only wish to become individually woke and enlightened, you cannot force others to do the same.
Pretty smart Prof talking pretty smart things but here I am just thinking - if only Seth Rogen did College without smoking all that Ganja!
Vervaeke presents nothing new. He is a footnote to Heidegger and Hubert Dreyfus, a follower of Heidegger who was the first to highlight the limitations in research into A1 around 50 years ago.
Anyone who accepts the nonsensical “solution“ to the task set with the nine dots has failed the real test of “detecting when they’re being mislead” through semantic ambiguity.
And what exactly was nonsensical about it?
MnemoHistory - am I correctly inferring that your tone is dismissive, or is that just my projection based on inability to see your face or hear your voice?
It sounds like your assertion is that the professor (or anyone posing this problem) is tricking people if they don't point out that the inferred frame creates a false limitation. Isn't that an alternate version of "b-b-but you cheated."
The thing is, the world is chock full of just these kinds of semantically misleading frames. Almost everything you watch on TV, UA-cam, etc. depends on us staying faithful to the invisible implied frame in order to wrangle us into being good consumers.
This professor, thru this talk and his courses, is one of the best and most honestly sincere efforts to help a large number of people see that each of us needs to be aware of this implicit frame formed by semantic ambiguity *without* being told.
Did everyone see the implicit frame I created? It might seem that I disagree, and yet that I'm polite and inciteful, and that my remarks are opposed to what MnemoHistory said, but that isn't true. He/She didn't make a claim about the professor, but only about the folks who don't see that the challenge is a meta-problem.
Any frame you are given for free is likely a trap. This one may be the exception; it is more of a universal key to free yourself from the matrix.
@@dls78731 Great comment - although it could be argued that the OP made a certain claim about the professor by calling his solution 'nonsensical'.
@BeyondSideshow - Yep, I agree. That frame also makes sense. From this perspective, it feels like someone who is trying to learn the science behind a magic trick is complaining because the trick is just the skill of misdirection, and not really showing the true magic. The true magic is seeing that we hallucinate the “truth.”
@@dls78731 Couldn't agree more 👌
Omg this guy is angry!
That would be "passion" for you.
More like ADHD
Demons love enlightenment. Enlighten me.
What Persia as a centre for the axial age? Zoroastrianism, duh? Funny how these left-over vestiges of colonial racism is so hard for some people to get rid of!