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This last mass migration from California has been 6 to 1 conservative to liberal. Idaho is now MUCH more red than it was prior to 2016..... You don't know what you're talking about
What’s happening to Idaho happened to California in the 70s and 80s (and all the way up to today) they came from all over the country and world, “Welcome to California, now go home” was a very popular bumper sticker and mantra
At times in the mid-70s, while commuting on the 10, I found myself surrounded by out of state plates, mostly from the northeast. Those folks brought their very un-Californian politics and social mores with them, altering the entire civic landscape of SoCal. It's amusing to see their kids now bailing out.
California was like putting an empty glass on a table. The table represents America the glass represents California. If you fill the glass to much it spills over onto the table and runs all over the table. People over the years kept filling up California now they're spilling over into other states.
Another factor that needs to be emphasized is that Idaho winters are not California winters. Twice as cold and last nearly seven months. People visit Idaho durring the summer and fall in love with it not realizing that that same place in winter is a different planet.
Some parts of Idaho do have longer winters. Here in Boise, you can plan for winter to last November through February but you won’t have snow that whole time!
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The mass emigration of Kali folks drove housing through the roof in Portland and Seattle, back in the 90s. It's likely the same in Idaho. People selling their grossly overpriced Kali shacks and dropping cash for nice homes elsewhere, ruins things.
Some of us came here with nothing but a job offer, and bought our house with veterans benefits. But you keep generalizing about things you don't understand
A friend and her husband lived in Idaho for about 15 years, and loved it; but as they got a little older, and their medical needs increased, they found that the medical options in their area, to be limited so they moved to another state, specifically with medical availability in mind. That being said, they enjoyed their time in Idaho tremendously, and have many friends there.
Housing isn't cheap in Idaho because California folks cashed in on their California homes and paid cash for many homes in Idaho. Drove the prices thru the roof.
@@BillLaBrie I enjoy the churches. It keeps the area very family friendly. It's wonderful to see fathers taking care of their children. The cold part, it takes 5 years to get used to it. Out ways the rain in California and all the pot billboard's.
It's not surprising to me that people from CA don't like the freedom of religion or family values. Lived in CA for 5 years. Nothing has ever been more destructive on my family than that state. That's the truth.
I WAS from Kalifornia and weather for those snowflake is a big factor. If you are not conservative, please do not move to a state that is not woke, knows what a woman is, and where you can conceal carry even without a permit (in most places). The problems you see in dem states are caused or supported by woke folk who think they are educated and enlightened, but cannot see the obvious damage they have and are causing.
Good points. From looking at prices around Boise, they are getting closer to California pricing. There is still a solid difference, but I've seen the same happen in Nevada as well. I have had clients that moved to Reno years ago, then a tech center sprung up & prices escalated. Now people are trying to escape Reno as well.
Our housing prices continue to rise and we continue to grow… and so it goes around and around. Recently moved clients in from Reno as a matter of fact.
I'm from Washington. In my subdivision I have seen at least 3 neighbors who came from California and in a year they moved back. I left Washington too, and now live in Nevada. It's hard to leave behind the sun
Im hoping to move out of CA to Idaho BECAUSE my conservative values obviously don't fall in line with CA's. Ive never related to the LA nightlife or it's fast paced environment. I just want somewhere safe and quiet for my family. I live in the northeast part of LA county where it's a dry desert dirt hellhole. Visited Boise in 2022 and we fell in love with it. We hope to move after the holidays.
Idaho is GORGEOUS....about 4 months a year. Oven in Summer, Freezer in Winter. That's why I live in Monterey, CA most of the year. Politics, Prices, Taxes are awful in Monterey, but the weather is paradise on Earth!
I moved back to California twice due to lousy weather everywhere else. Prop 13 keeps property taxes very low for long time residents. Business is brisk in California, unlike smaller states like idaho.
Hard for states like ID to compete with business opportunities in CA because of size but if it works for you, then it’s great, and weather becomes a non-issue.
I'll second that! We've had several Californians move in our neighborhood and the first thing they do is start complaining about the neighbor's farm stand! they were lucky not to be shot!!! Or, my personal favorite, the idiot that moved into our ranching community and started complaining about the cattle across the street pooping and mooing!!!! Or the new guy who moved onto our DIRT ROAD and is now complaining he wants it paved!!!!
I remember going on road trips to visit family in Montana back in the 90s as a kid… we had California plates so people in Idaho and Montana threw trash at us and flipped us off as we drove around. Utah was scary they looked at our multi racial family like they were about to shoot us… So as a kid I realized America sucks and is full of bitter small minded people!… so I stayed in California instead. I have never moved out. Every time I go on vacation or business trip to the rest of the country or other countries it reminds me that I live in a special place where the races mix completely and mostly peaceful and no matter how weird you are or crazy your ideas people will respect you. This place is expensive but it’s because it’s full of people making huge money and creating opportunities. It’s expensive because California is a major capitalistic hub for the planet. There is something special in the air here. Ill bet when people move out they realize fast that the homes are cheaper because they will have stagnant incomes and be missing out on opportunities that could be had if they move to an expensive business hub.
Or maybe they were responding to you based on past experiences with your ilk? I;ve never met a racist Idahoan but I have met plenty of puffed up, pompous asses hailing from California!
And here i am trying to talk my wife into moving back to her home state...she's from Idaho by the way. I'm a Utah boy living in what used to be a small town before being introduced to the world by the Olympics, and now it's gone.
@@EricaToffel My wife is from Malad. If I had my druthers I'd live up near Ashton. Unfortunately she won't leave the grand kids...I told her they can still come visit. We live in Midway Utah, where I was born and raised. Sadly it's not the same Midway I grew up in.
@@EricaToffel yes. I get it too. The problem is, this town is filing up with wealthy people who build multi million dollar homes, then vote for things that increase property taxes. It won't be long until we can't afford to live here, and are to old too move.
Wages may be less than CA but so is cost of living in ID. But wage differential often keeps Californians from looking for positions here to begin with when in actuality, it may end up being closer to a wash.
So glad they are leaving although I don't know anyone that is and I have been here since 79.......yes, that's 1979........from cali....so were glad they are leaving because the traffic is unbearable
I live in Boise but just drove a car to Georgia for a family member. I drove through Wichita, Tulsa, Little Rock, Memphis and Birmingham. None of these cities have traffic as bad as Boise has gotten.
@@peterussell673 that’s fascinating! The traffic here never bothers me but I came from Los Angeles area traffic. So it just doesn’t feel that bad. Just goes to show you that it’s all relative! 😁
Culture.. My ex left Idaho because she needed the shopping malls, the restaurant chains, the keeping up w the joneses. Also hated the weather, lower pay in her field and politics. She said this way too conservative for her ideals… She loves the rainbow clan which is non existent where I live. Now i just fish and enjoy the outdoors full time.🤭
I was born and raised in Idaho. Had to leave because there are NO JOBS in Idaho. I moved to California. Time to retire now and guess what, I can’t AFFORD to move back home. It’s just as expensive as California now. Sucks.
@@EricaToffel That's what I suspect. If this person BOUGHT a house in CA 5 years or more ago, they'd have made out like bandits and wouldn't be crying.
Sand point is the most beautiful place in Idaho !! we were going to move there in 2018 but my 26 year old son pass away do to brain cancer, but we couldn't leave because the only connection we had left was the Cemetery.
The dislike of Californians is very evident. We were just in idaho on vacation. Pulled into a parking lot at a grocery store and there was a man walking from his car towards the store. I stopped the car, smiled, and motioned for him to go ahead and cross in front of us. He scowled and mouthed "I don't trust Californians"! I had to laugh because it was so ridiculous. Like I'm going to run him over? Omg, it was actually pretty comical but just goes to show the dislike of Californians. Sad thing is that we have the same conservative convictions of most Idahoans. It's not my fault I was born in a liberal state! Lol!
Its dangerous to be pregnant in Idaho. Good luck finding an OB/GYN. Also if there is a problem with your pregnancy which happens more than people think don't expect they will treat you in state because of the archaic laws they have passed. If you're thinking of starting a family think about another state.
It's all cyclical, but Idaho's economic recovery will be an extended one. Oncethe building comesto a halt, it's going to crash pretty hard. Wages, jobs, businesses, and services will follow.
@@Reactstocomments11 A hundred miles from everything, hot and windy traffic is horrendous high taxes yeah cheaper homes! And a state run by a idiot and high gas prices
I’d imagine the harsh winters and wealth of conservatives drives some back. I remember when California refugees came in the 90’s to Boise.. it was’t just Seattle and Portland they altered. Dare I say Boise State wouldn’t even be a name in college football without the California money that rolled in.
Well, I moved to the Boise area 5 years ago. I had a hard time finding a job right away because companies didn't want to hire Californians. Oddly enough, once I got a job I found that I was far more conservative than 99% of the people I worked with. I find I am still more conservative than a lot of the people I have met. I grew up hunting and fishing and living off the land in California in an area that had small amounts of snow in the winter. Everyone seems to think I moved here from a beach town because I am from California. I am not leaving, because California has become a trash heap and My conservative vote doesn't count for anything there.
Moved to Idaho from California eight years ago! Best decision I ever did. Not going back to communist California. Housing here is fine, utilities are fine. The only thing I miss is getting my bearclaws. They don’t sell them here. No it’s not slow here, and yes there is minimal night life but we don’t miss that.
I'm from Alabama and have lived in major cities, but I love north Idaho and have lived here almost 20 years. I love the people, the politics and the cold weather. It is one of the few places where you don't feel like a stranger in your own country. The government will force the endless legal and illegal migrants to come and destroy it like locusts, if they are able to. The maniacs who run this country want my people to be beaten, robbed, humiliated and to pay violent scumbags in the process.
Spokane, Salt Lake, Seattle, San Francisco. There are so many spots that you could quickly access for highly specialized medical care if Boise did not offer it.
Everyone I know who moved to Idaho love it, but I can see why the locals resent all the Californians moving there. I heard that an In & Out just opened up, and I said to my wife, Idaho is over. It will become California soon.
No!!! One in-n-out California does not make. Idaho is a beautiful place to call home. Some lifetime residents are vocal about the influx of Californias but most are so super welcoming!
I moved from Ca to Idaho in 2022. I think I was prepared for how cold it gets; but not for how LONG it is cold. Idaho has short-sleeve weather about 10 weeks a year. But that's okay. I wouldn't move back to Ca to save my life.
Perhaps you did not want to mention Idaho's near total abortion ban. As time progresses we will see how many more doctors choose to leave Idaho because of this. A sizeable number of OBGYN's have already moved to neighboring states.
I am a lifelong Californian with many cousins living in Idaho. I have visited Idaho from California many many times. I do agree with the all the information in this video except there is one thing in this video that is misleading . This video shows plenty of African Americans next to white people in Idaho which is simply not reality. Idaho has a very small number of African Americans living in the state especially in the rural areas. The biggest difference between California and Idaho is the large ethnic diversity of people in California compared to Idaho, which is primarily white. In my mind, the ethnic diversity of people is the biggest difference between California and Idaho.
I’m taking a look at Idaho to retire in the near future. Regarding diversity, I’m for being among fair-minded people and I don’t look at race or color.
I can’t imagine how much money I would have to be paid to move to California. All the taxes and micromanaging of peoples life is just not for me. I go all around the country for work and no place is perfect but California is the worst place in the country with possible exception of the NY Boston area. My company actively tries to avoid sending us there and uses it as a recruiting tool. Work for us and we will do our best to not make you go to California or NY. Let that sink in.
@@EricaToffel that’s a good question. I was in Vegas a couple months ago and had fun but I wouldn’t want to live there. I in Nashville at the moment and it’s nice but the traffic is like being in LA. I was in Knoxville last week and that seems like a great place live but probably not a great place to visit. I think im going to Tampa next week. I have a house down there. It’s just hard to beat. There’s lots to do. It has world class beaches. House prices are affordable. Taxes are low. The only draw back is for most people it’s very hard to get a job that pays enough to survive. I know I haven’t done a very good job of answering the question. Sorry
I moved to Nampa from Sonoma County, CA a few months ago and have found it difficult to adjust to the very hot climate with so many days in the triple digits. I also miss the smaller grocery stores such as Oliver's Markets, Sprouts, farmers' markets and would love more mom and pop restaurants and quaint coffee shops and cafes. Hoping as it continues to grow here these family entrepreneurs will come here with less chain restaurants and large chain supermarkets. However, there are a hundreds reasons to leave California and happy to have done so.
I live in Santa Barbara county but I spent all my summers in ID as a kid, mostly in the Boise area and mountains nearby. The summers are so much hotter in ID and I hate the heat!
This has been an unusually hot summer and the smoke coming in from the CA wildfire makes it all seem worse. You should be able to find your smaller markets,local restaurants, farmers markets in Caldwell, Kuna, Boise.
Idaho is great if you just accept it for what it is. Moving from a state that has literally everything at your disposal to a state that doesn’t but expect the former is asinine. I agree that the housing prices unrealistic for where you are living and the lack of amenities throughout. For all those that think it’s turning to another California then you better be willing to wait awhile because old areas like Nampa have decades of work to do if it ever happens. Long winters are my current concern but I’m learning to stay active during them. The outdoors is gorgeous here in Idaho. California was once called the Golden State for its many sunny days and beautiful beaches. Now it’s the Golden state because there is urine everywhere 🚽
Winters can take time to adjust to but staying active helps. And you are right, we are not CA. We don’t pretend to be so if you make the choice to move here, you should be willing to embrace what Idaho is.
California is becoming less feasible for the Young & Old. If Faith, Family, Country & even Farming or other Family run business are important to you, Idaho is a great option.
That's garbage. My husband and I moved to idaho, he's black and i'm white and he hasn't had any problem at all. We're very conservative and we love it here.
I am conservative Californian, and I love Idaho, but I understand the people there hate me because I’m from California. It’s not Just Idaho. I feel like I’m scrutinized for something I don’t support.
I am an Idaho native and I don’t think the political views are what drives most of the dislike. It is the economic changes CA people have brought. They came here drove housing prices up and didn’t bring jobs with them. I know police and firefighters that actually commute to CA for work and live here in Boise. Or there are people who work remotely.
If you come to visit, I think you’d realize that people don’t care where you are from! I’ve never had anyone treat me differently for being from CA except for the responses I see on UA-cam. 🤷♀️
I do think this is a valid point. The growth of the state has driven the price of housing up and because so many have migrated from CA, it takes the brunt of the blame. But again, I don’t see anyone being treated differently regardless of where they moved from or are commuting from.
@@heatherbstrasser you are right. I have no excuse for that. There are those in this state that has made things hard on me also. I am a retired disabled veteran. I only get so much money a month, and it has become unbearable for us to live. My wife and I loose sleep over the economic issues this state and the Biden administration has placed on us. Thank you.
@@EricaToffel my wife has family in Boise, and in Pocatello. Yes the citizens of Idaho are great. I have friends who retired and sold everything here in California and moved up there. They are extremely happy, and I’m a little jealous. Gavin Newsom has tarnished this state.
In the past 2 years, friends of mine have moved from California to: Idaho, Florida, Texas, Tennessee and North Carolina. None of them will ever move back.
I could live with a certain amount of conservatism. But the whole white nationalist thing seems a bit too widespread, along with the general lack of non-white people. As for education, I dunno. I found a document online (from the Idaho department of education, no less) cheerfully saying that Idaho's student achievement in 2021 was a C, up from a D+ in 2016. Progress is nice, but if I had kids, I'd think twice.
The white nationalist thing.. while it does exist, it's like finding a grizzly bear walking through a city. It is an exaggerated problem, outside of northern idaho. But it should be said the people that stood in opposition to those groups were mostly locals. With the school issue I'm 100% with you on that, there's a reason why there are quite a few homeschoolers in Idaho
@@EricaToffel If people want to do that, I guess that's an option. Though personally I think that homeschooling is a pretty awful development for most kids and certainly for society as a whole. (Reasons upon request.) It doesn't speak well of a state's commitment to its people that they would encourage such stuff. Again, that's just me. I know many others have a totally different take on the subject.
@@KenCunkle that's right for more than reason, but socializing kids is the biggin'. But just as important is getting quality education, which almost all parents really do not have the skills or background to do. Some do, most don't. These are cold facts
How about the few locals born and raised here that have seen the serious loss of the quality of life that floods of people and the infrastructure can't handle the massive traffic and sprawling housing and the miles of ugly apartment buildings that have destroyed the once beautiful town ? I would have never entertained the idea of moving out of Boise, my hometown of 68 years because of the huge loss of the quality of life now. However, I would never move to California, infact you couldn't pay me enough to live there.
I wish I had a good response for you but I realize the change over the last several decades has been something that those born and raised in the valley have had to endure. Growth is great for those moving in but hardest on those watching their quiet city stretch at its seams.
and are u doing that with your openly extremist GOP legislators? appears not, bcuz the abortion law is not just antiamerican but repugnant! It jeapordizes a woman's life itself, let alone her health and future-fertility! Do ya'll know nuthin about basic physiology in pregnancy? U disgust me! and then some!
So many people running from themselves. There is no place to go. Everywhere is the same old shit. People= Stress. You always come back to you. If you don't know who you are, there is no safe place. Get to know life, so you can get to know death!
People leaving Idaho to go back to California is a good thing for Idaho. Next door, they keep showing up and never leave. Washington is becoming California. Just look at Seattle. As their problems spread to smaller cities, pockets of common sense areas, usually in small towns and / or suburbs, hold their ground. The eastern side of the state says he'll no, go back to Seattle.
@@EricaToffel good call. Seattle is worse now. I live in Tacoma and sometimes drive a semi in there. Tacoma is becoming Seattle now so I'm moving to my hometown of Steilacoom. It's one of the pockets I was referring to. I'm glad you aren't one of the people who want to make Idaho into California.
Wow, that's a hard charging video headline. It asks a question so easy to answer even the trumpian fascists could answer. Idaho is a right wing fever dream. The question isn't why are people leaving, it's WTF would anyone in their right mind ever move there.
@@LaraSierra28 so? Because you never did no one did? LOL love your logic. Or lack thereof. Typical woman statement. Oh and 8th gen here. we owned the land that Moffitt field is on today. Ever hear of Lockheed? Or because you never did there's no Lockheed? lol clown.
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@@jeffreyg607 I will take it Sir. Thank you.
At least those folks have the good manners to leave and not spend their time trying to change ID into where they came from.
I do agree. You can either embrace where you move or move onto a place where you feel more comfortable.
@@EricaToffel This
This last mass migration from California has been 6 to 1 conservative to liberal. Idaho is now MUCH more red than it was prior to 2016.....
You don't know what you're talking about
What’s happening to Idaho happened to California in the 70s and 80s (and all the way up to today) they came from all over the country and world, “Welcome to California, now go home” was a very popular bumper sticker and mantra
So no matter the state… it’s hard to experience a large influx of people from other places. Growing pains
@@EricaToffel It’s worse when they come without resources with their hands out
@@coastalhillbilly3419I came with substantial assets, after the behavior of Idahoian's act I quit hiring them for business.
At times in the mid-70s, while commuting on the 10, I found myself surrounded by out of state plates, mostly from the northeast. Those folks brought their very un-Californian politics and social mores with them, altering the entire civic landscape of SoCal. It's amusing to see their kids now bailing out.
California was like putting an empty glass on a table. The table represents America the glass represents California. If you fill the glass to much it spills over onto the table and runs all over the table. People over the years kept filling up California now they're spilling over into other states.
I'm sure Idaho residents are happy.
We are.
Why? They’re living in a region literally called “I Da Hoe’”?! 🤯
🤦🏼♀️oh we haven’t heard that one before. 😉
VERY
@Inkedupcarpenter Yep that's all that's here! Keep driving, haha
Another factor that needs to be emphasized is that Idaho winters are not California winters. Twice as cold and last nearly seven months. People visit Idaho durring the summer and fall in love with it not realizing that that same place in winter is a different planet.
Some parts of Idaho do have longer winters. Here in Boise, you can plan for winter to last November through February but you won’t have snow that whole time!
, often need block heater or garage , in winter ! 🥶
I do agree you want a garage in winter!!
😂😂😂 try living in Germany for a few years.
Idaho winter is not bad at all ...
Winters in Boise are so mild! Compared to other parts of the country, our winters are nothing!!!
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The mass emigration of Kali folks drove housing through the roof in Portland and Seattle, back in the 90s. It's likely the same in Idaho. People selling their grossly overpriced Kali shacks and dropping cash for nice homes elsewhere, ruins things.
CA does account for large migration into Idaho. Are you in Oregon or Washington then?
I remember those housing prices in the 90s in Seattle growing through the roof.
Some of us came here with nothing but a job offer, and bought our house with veterans benefits.
But you keep generalizing about things you don't understand
They've done it to Utah
We left California for North Idaho 15 years ago because of the friendly
people and the FREEDOM!
You can literally feel it in the air.
When you leaving to go BACK? Soon?
A friend and her husband lived in Idaho for about 15 years, and loved it; but as they got a little older, and their medical needs increased, they found that the medical options in their area, to be limited so they moved to another state, specifically with medical availability in mind. That being said, they enjoyed their time in Idaho tremendously, and have many friends there.
Smaller the state, less access to highly specialized medicine. But health always comes first!!
@@michaelcheli5842 this is unfortunately true. The medical here is not at par with the big Cities.
Idaho sounds like a real backwater State.
@@joevarga5982 just a quieter state.
@@EricaToffel Michael's friends had to move out of Idaho for adequate medical care. That's more than a noise issue.
Housing isn't cheap in Idaho because California folks cashed in on their California homes and paid cash for many homes in Idaho. Drove the prices thru the roof.
Our prices have dramatically increased over the past decade, it is true.
Didn’t know it would be hot
Didn’t know it would be cold
Didn’t know it would be LDS and Baptist…
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@@BillLaBrie I enjoy the churches. It keeps the area very family friendly. It's wonderful to see fathers taking care of their children. The cold part, it takes 5 years to get used to it. Out ways the rain in California and all the pot billboard's.
@@LizzStewart if you haven’t decided to leave ID after relocating from CA, my post was not for you.
It's not surprising to me that people from CA don't like the freedom of religion or family values. Lived in CA for 5 years. Nothing has ever been more destructive on my family than that state. That's the truth.
LEFT BECAUSE THEY DON'T BELONG HERE...
@@terrelmchenry9524 I guess they felt that way too.
No free shit in Idaho!
I WAS from Kalifornia and weather for those snowflake is a big factor. If you are not conservative, please do not move to a state that is not woke, knows what a woman is, and where you can conceal carry even without a permit (in most places). The problems you see in dem states are caused or supported by woke folk who think they are educated and enlightened, but cannot see the obvious damage they have and are causing.
Weather in Boise is so mild but it can be a driving force for those who move back.
I guess us "woke" folks from California are fortunate that you are not here!
@@BCBlue Yes, keep you from getting your little feelings hurt. Kalifornia has become a sh!t-hole. What color is your hair?
If you are dissatisfied with your lifestyle, uprooting and bringing the whole circus to a new location changes nothing.
🤔 I’d say there is a difference between life and lifestyle. Because new location may get you to the lifestyle you’ve been dreaming of.
Good points. From looking at prices around Boise, they are getting closer to California pricing. There is still a solid difference, but I've seen the same happen in Nevada as well. I have had clients that moved to Reno years ago, then a tech center sprung up & prices escalated. Now people are trying to escape Reno as well.
Our housing prices continue to rise and we continue to grow… and so it goes around and around. Recently moved clients in from Reno as a matter of fact.
I'm from Washington. In my subdivision I have seen at least 3 neighbors who came from California and in a year they moved back.
I left Washington too, and now live in Nevada. It's hard to leave behind the sun
Few move back once they get here but the weather and sun is certainly a big factor.
Im hoping to move out of CA to Idaho BECAUSE my conservative values obviously don't fall in line with CA's. Ive never related to the LA nightlife or it's fast paced environment. I just want somewhere safe and quiet for my family. I live in the northeast part of LA county where it's a dry desert dirt hellhole. Visited Boise in 2022 and we fell in love with it. We hope to move after the holidays.
Moving out of CA? Where are you going? #boiseidaho #idaho #eagleidaho #meridianidaho
I personally know of 2 families who moved to Boise area and came back to Ca.within 2 years. To cold and missed family.
Moving anywhere is hard when you leave family behind.
Idaho is GORGEOUS....about 4 months a year. Oven in Summer, Freezer in Winter. That's why I live in Monterey, CA most of the year.
Politics, Prices, Taxes are awful in Monterey, but the weather is paradise on Earth!
Having moved from LA myself, I will take the 4 seasons any day. But I understand how weather can be a factor! 🥵🥶
My friend moved back because he tried doing a food truck but winter was tough for that,too many where he went back.
Food trucks would be a hard sale during winter months 🥶
I moved back to California twice due to lousy weather everywhere else. Prop 13 keeps property taxes very low for long time residents. Business is brisk in California, unlike smaller states like idaho.
What made you leave twice?
@@EricaToffel job transfer and promotion to a different manufacturing plant location in the RV business.
Hard for states like ID to compete with business opportunities in CA because of size but if it works for you, then it’s great, and weather becomes a non-issue.
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What brisk business? The state is a hell hole.
I wish every Californian would go back to California!
Well this one isn’t leaving. 😉
I'll second that! We've had several Californians move in our neighborhood and the first thing they do is start complaining about the neighbor's farm stand! they were lucky not to be shot!!! Or, my personal favorite, the idiot that moved into our ranching community and started complaining about the cattle across the street pooping and mooing!!!! Or the new guy who moved onto our DIRT ROAD and is now complaining he wants it paved!!!!
@@Stevesonlygirl They definitely need to just go back! This is our way of life, if they don't like it-- SEE YA
@@Stevesonlygirl Dang jerks! They really need to just go back.
I remember going on road trips to visit family in Montana back in the 90s as a kid… we had California plates so people in Idaho and Montana threw trash at us and flipped us off as we drove around. Utah was scary they looked at our multi racial family like they were about to shoot us… So as a kid I realized America sucks and is full of bitter small minded people!… so I stayed in California instead. I have never moved out. Every time I go on vacation or business trip to the rest of the country or other countries it reminds me that I live in a special place where the races mix completely and mostly peaceful and no matter how weird you are or crazy your ideas people will respect you. This place is expensive but it’s because it’s full of people making huge money and creating opportunities. It’s expensive because California is a major capitalistic hub for the planet. There is something special in the air here. Ill bet when people move out they realize fast that the homes are cheaper because they will have stagnant incomes and be missing out on opportunities that could be had if they move to an expensive business hub.
I appreciate you engaging to share your perspective.
those are facts!
Have you been to Idaho?
Congratulations.
Or maybe they were responding to you based on past experiences with your ilk? I;ve never met a racist Idahoan but I have met plenty of puffed up, pompous asses hailing from California!
I wanted to go to couredalene but the housing prices where about the same and the pay rate was very low
Where were thinking of moving from?
And here i am trying to talk my wife into moving back to her home state...she's from Idaho by the way. I'm a Utah boy living in what used to be a small town before being introduced to the world by the Olympics, and now it's gone.
What part of Idaho were you thinking of?
@@EricaToffel My wife is from Malad. If I had my druthers I'd live up near Ashton.
Unfortunately she won't leave the grand kids...I told her they can still come visit.
We live in Midway Utah, where I was born and raised. Sadly it's not the same Midway I grew up in.
It’s hard to leave when living close to family for sure, so I get that.
@@EricaToffel yes. I get it too.
The problem is, this town is filing up with wealthy people who build multi million dollar homes, then vote for things that increase property taxes. It won't be long until we can't afford to live here, and are to old too move.
The wages in the state of Idaho are not high enough for former California residents and that’s probably why they’re going back to California ASAP!
Wages may be less than CA but so is cost of living in ID. But wage differential often keeps Californians from looking for positions here to begin with when in actuality, it may end up being closer to a wash.
Yes! Go fast back to California. It’s better weather in California, please Gavin Newsom is super awesome.
I know you mean that. 🤣
Wages are very low.
True, Some can be but my kid is making $18.50/hr which I think is comparable to other more expensive states!
So glad they are leaving although I don't know anyone that is and I have been here since 79.......yes, that's 1979........from cali....so were glad they are leaving because the traffic is unbearable
Idaho transportation is definitely reactive. We need more road infrastructure in order to keep up with our growing population.
You're so gullible 😅
@@corywalker9498 🤔
I live in Boise but just drove a car to Georgia for a family member. I drove through Wichita, Tulsa, Little Rock, Memphis and Birmingham. None of these cities have traffic as bad as Boise has gotten.
@@peterussell673 that’s fascinating! The traffic here never bothers me but I came from Los Angeles area traffic. So it just doesn’t feel that bad. Just goes to show you that it’s all relative! 😁
Culture.. My ex left Idaho because she needed the shopping malls, the restaurant chains, the keeping up w the joneses. Also hated the weather, lower pay in her field and politics. She said this way too conservative for her ideals… She loves the rainbow clan which is non existent where I live. Now i just fish and enjoy the outdoors full time.🤭
Fishing and the outdoors sound like a perfect consolation prize. 😂
I was born and raised in Idaho. Had to leave because there are NO JOBS in Idaho. I moved to California. Time to retire now and guess what, I can’t AFFORD to move back home. It’s just as expensive as California now. Sucks.
What part of Idaho was home?
Well, did you buy a house in CA?
@@joevarga5982 if they had, I would still argue that to replace same home in ID would be less. Always exceptions of course.
@@EricaToffel That's what I suspect. If this person BOUGHT a house in CA 5 years or more ago, they'd have made out like bandits and wouldn't be crying.
Thank you for your honesty
It helps to know why people stay and why some move away.
We love raising our kids in Idaho. Just good wholesome people.
Our family loves it too! For the same reason. 😁
Sand point is the most beautiful place in Idaho !! we were going to move there in 2018 but my 26 year old son pass away do to brain cancer, but we couldn't leave because the only connection we had left was the Cemetery.
you could re-inter him wherever u want to go. I'd encourage it! Sand Point and its region is truly nice.
I can understand wanting to stay close to him but also know he’d want you to be in a beautiful place where his memory could live on with you.
All I heard was “ go back to California “ when I visited a friend.
What part of Idaho did you visit?
The dislike of Californians is very evident. We were just in idaho on vacation. Pulled into a parking lot at a grocery store and there was a man walking from his car towards the store. I stopped the car, smiled, and motioned for him to go ahead and cross in front of us. He scowled and mouthed "I don't trust Californians"! I had to laugh because it was so ridiculous. Like I'm going to run him over? Omg, it was actually pretty comical but just goes to show the dislike of Californians. Sad thing is that we have the same conservative convictions of most Idahoans. It's not my fault I was born in a liberal state! Lol!
Now that’s funny but sorry that was your take-away. Because we really are a friendly state and just a few vocal outliers.
Its dangerous to be pregnant in Idaho. Good luck finding an OB/GYN. Also if there is a problem with your pregnancy which happens more than people think don't expect they will treat you in state because of the archaic laws they have passed. If you're thinking of starting a family think about another state.
Are you talking about starting a family or ending them? Your message is unclear.
It's all cyclical, but Idaho's economic recovery will be an extended one. Oncethe building comesto a halt, it's going to crash pretty hard. Wages, jobs, businesses, and services will follow.
You may have a different crystal ball than me - appreciate the feedback though!
People don't go back to CA once they move out. It's incorrect!
I have met only a few 🤣
Click bait. Music has stopped. Party's over. RE market descending. Bad economy. Agents now making vids for a Google paycheck.
@@jeffkramer6034 Not sure what your Google paychecks look like, but I’m not quitting my day job. Is RE market ACTUALLY descending where you are?
This is false. I wouldn't belive it but herd plenty of folks that did.
yes they do. its the land of milk & honey.
The better for Idaho, keep Idaho Idaho
This is definitely a popular opinion
Please most of the people in Idaho aren’t originally from Idaho.
@@NPC8087 for shure like all the NON NATIVE AMERICANS, but try to change this beautiful land to turn it into a woke-soft-commie kali geto is evil
That can be said for our entire country! Freedom to move anywhere we want! 😁
@@NPC8087 just dont deform it like others places....
Move to Hemet California where homes are cheap and life is good.
My roommate from college was from Hemet!
Meth. That's what you get in Hemet 😂
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A hundred miles from everything, hot and windy traffic is horrendous high taxes yeah cheaper homes! And a state run by a idiot and high gas prices
Then perhaps a move anywhere else is the answer.
The question really shouldn’t be why. The real question should be. Do they need help?
We may not understand, but I guess they have their reasons. 🤷♀️
I’d imagine the harsh winters and wealth of conservatives drives some back. I remember when California refugees came in the 90’s to Boise.. it was’t just Seattle and Portland they altered. Dare I say Boise State wouldn’t even be a name in college football without the California money that rolled in.
Yes, winter and politics can definitely be enough cause for some to leave.
Couer d'Alene is my favorite town.
Do you live there or that’s where you visit when in Idaho??
Move back why? Try getting homeowners insurance most of the ins carriers stopped doing business in Calif.
That is just crazy!
Well, I moved to the Boise area 5 years ago. I had a hard time finding a job right away because companies didn't want to hire Californians. Oddly enough, once I got a job I found that I was far more conservative than 99% of the people I worked with. I find I am still more conservative than a lot of the people I have met. I grew up hunting and fishing and living off the land in California in an area that had small amounts of snow in the winter. Everyone seems to think I moved here from a beach town because I am from California. I am not leaving, because California has become a trash heap and My conservative vote doesn't count for anything there.
Boise is more diverse than people think. Glad you have been able to make this your home.
Yeah! California's go home!
A few do, most stay.
My huge family from Mexico is coming to live there soon 😊
Where? California or Idaho?
@@tmsact Trollville.
Love your channel. Pretty and smart lady. Good info thanks :)
Thank you for engaging!
Ohhh; you are very pretty. It's one thing I love about this area.
Thanks. 😁
Moved to Idaho from California eight years ago! Best decision I ever did. Not going back to communist California. Housing here is fine, utilities are fine. The only thing I miss is getting my bearclaws. They don’t sell them here. No it’s not slow here, and yes there is minimal night life but we don’t miss that.
It’s amazing how much stress we let go of when we make the move! What part of Idaho did you move to?
@@EricaToffel Caldwell! Boise and Meridian are too buy, a lot of traffic now!
Growth in Caldwell too but definitely more space. Good for you!!
I'm from Alabama and have lived in major cities, but I love north Idaho and have lived here almost 20 years. I love the people, the politics and the cold weather. It is one of the few places where you don't feel like a stranger in your own country. The government will force the endless legal and illegal migrants to come and destroy it like locusts, if they are able to. The maniacs who run this country want my people to be beaten, robbed, humiliated and to pay violent scumbags in the process.
I dont like having to support humane coming here illeagaly . they lack a moral compass.
I have not spent any time in Northern Idaho. Only driven through.
So if you needed more specialized medical care, couldn’t you slip on over to Spokane for those procedures?
Spokane, Salt Lake, Seattle, San Francisco. There are so many spots that you could quickly access for highly specialized medical care if Boise did not offer it.
Everyone I know who moved to Idaho love it, but I can see why the locals resent all the Californians moving there. I heard that an In & Out just opened up, and I said to my wife, Idaho is over. It will become California soon.
No!!! One in-n-out California does not make. Idaho is a beautiful place to call home. Some lifetime residents are vocal about the influx of Californias but most are so super welcoming!
I moved from Ca to Idaho in 2022. I think I was prepared for how cold it gets; but not for how LONG it is cold. Idaho has short-sleeve weather about 10 weeks a year. But that's okay. I wouldn't move back to Ca to save my life.
What part of Idaho did you move to?
I don't blame you. I am stuck here and it is not getting better.
@@graceweber2822 stuck in Idaho or California?
can i ask what you think about Rexburg.
It’s nearly 5 hours away from Boise so only travel through on our way to the Wyoming.
Perhaps you did not want to mention Idaho's near total abortion ban. As time progresses we will see how many more doctors choose to leave Idaho because of this. A sizeable number of OBGYN's have already moved to neighboring states.
Laws like this will absolutely influence state migration and you are right, we are losing doctors to other states because of it.
BYE, BYE DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU ON THE WAY OUT 😂😂😂
They know that they are not wanted. 🙋
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I am a lifelong Californian with many cousins living in Idaho. I have visited Idaho from California many many times. I do agree with the all the information in this video except there is one thing in this video that is misleading . This video shows plenty of African Americans next to white people in Idaho which is simply not reality. Idaho has a very small number of African Americans living in the state especially in the rural areas. The biggest difference between California and Idaho is the large ethnic diversity of people in California compared to Idaho, which is primarily white. In my mind, the ethnic diversity of people is the biggest difference between California and Idaho.
I cannot argue that point. Idaho is becoming more diverse as we grow in population and opportunity but we still have a ways to go.
I’m taking a look at Idaho to retire in the near future. Regarding diversity, I’m for being among fair-minded people and I don’t look at race or color.
@@julioalcaraz5417 it really is a very friendly and welcoming state. I have many clients who have retired here and love it!
@@EricaToffel-wonderful news. I’ll definitely keep this in mind. Good 😊 day to you
Interesting!
cold cold cold Summer so called summer is maybe two mths
It warms up by April and we pull out coats by Halloween. May not be hot hot hot that whole time but spring and fall have beautiful temperatures!
@@EricaToffel cold cold cold
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I can’t imagine how much money I would have to be paid to move to California. All the taxes and micromanaging of peoples life is just not for me. I go all around the country for work and no place is perfect but California is the worst place in the country with possible exception of the NY Boston area. My company actively tries to avoid sending us there and uses it as a recruiting tool. Work for us and we will do our best to not make you go to California or NY. Let that sink in.
Traveling for work, I am sure you have seen it all. Do you have a favorite place?
@@EricaToffel that’s a good question. I was in Vegas a couple months ago and had fun but I wouldn’t want to live there. I in Nashville at the moment and it’s nice but the traffic is like being in LA. I was in Knoxville last week and that seems like a great place live but probably not a great place to visit. I think im going to Tampa next week. I have a house down there. It’s just hard to beat. There’s lots to do. It has world class beaches. House prices are affordable. Taxes are low. The only draw back is for most people it’s very hard to get a job that pays enough to survive. I know I haven’t done a very good job of answering the question. Sorry
I love that you can weigh all your options!
People moving back to CA? How many? 3? 4?
I know of 1. But I am sure there are others. 🤷♀️
😂😂😂 exactly. I don't know anyone who would go back to that sh*thole on purpose
Yes, I do believe people move away for a reason.
Two in my neighborhood moved back to Cali.
Was it for the reasons I discussed in the video? Or something else?
I moved to Nampa from Sonoma County, CA a few months ago and have found it difficult to adjust to the very hot climate with so many days in the triple digits. I also miss the smaller grocery stores such as Oliver's Markets, Sprouts, farmers' markets and would love more mom and pop restaurants and quaint coffee shops and cafes. Hoping as it continues to grow here these family entrepreneurs will come here with less chain restaurants and large chain supermarkets. However, there are a hundreds reasons to leave California and happy to have done so.
I live in Santa Barbara county but I spent all my summers in ID as a kid, mostly in the Boise area and mountains nearby. The summers are so much hotter in ID and I hate the heat!
@@lisayoung5136 Yeah, Santa Barbara next to the ocean is a very mild climate.
This has been an unusually hot summer and the smoke coming in from the CA wildfire makes it all seem worse. You should be able to find your smaller markets,local restaurants, farmers markets in Caldwell, Kuna, Boise.
Hard to compare Boise and Santa Barbara climate for sure.
Go, get & be gone...Don't come back!!!
Hot button issue for sure.
They can't afford to move back now 😅
That is true!! 😳
Ha,ha
So not true. Nobody is leaving. it's a bit crowded here.
I only know of one 🤣
Idaho is great if you just accept it for what it is. Moving from a state that has literally everything at your disposal to a state that doesn’t but expect the former is asinine. I agree that the housing prices unrealistic for where you are living and the lack of amenities throughout. For all those that think it’s turning to another California then you better be willing to wait awhile because old areas like Nampa have decades of work to do if it ever happens. Long winters are my current concern but I’m learning to stay active during them. The outdoors is gorgeous here in Idaho.
California was once called the Golden State for its many sunny days and beautiful beaches.
Now it’s the Golden state because there is urine everywhere 🚽
Winters can take time to adjust to but staying active helps. And you are right, we are not CA. We don’t pretend to be so if you make the choice to move here, you should be willing to embrace what Idaho is.
California is becoming less feasible for the Young & Old. If Faith, Family, Country & even Farming or other Family run business are important to you, Idaho is a great option.
It truly is a beautiful place to call home!
From everything I’ve read, seen, and heard about Idaho it sounds like a nightmare. Son in law found it to be very racist and he’s white.
It’s unfortunate that was his experience. We find it to be friendly and welcoming to anyone.
That's garbage. My husband and I moved to idaho, he's black and i'm white and he hasn't had any problem at all. We're very conservative and we love it here.
@@chellejack3480 this is the Idaho I know and love!!
Just imagine how they would treat non-whites, sad.
I am conservative Californian, and I love Idaho, but I understand the people there hate me because I’m from California. It’s not Just Idaho. I feel like I’m scrutinized for something I don’t support.
I am an Idaho native and I don’t think the political views are what drives most of the dislike. It is the economic changes CA people have brought. They came here drove housing prices up and didn’t bring jobs with them. I know police and firefighters that actually commute to CA for work and live here in Boise. Or there are people who work remotely.
If you come to visit, I think you’d realize that people don’t care where you are from! I’ve never had anyone treat me differently for being from CA except for the responses I see on UA-cam. 🤷♀️
I do think this is a valid point. The growth of the state has driven the price of housing up and because so many have migrated from CA, it takes the brunt of the blame. But again, I don’t see anyone being treated differently regardless of where they moved from or are commuting from.
@@heatherbstrasser you are right. I have no excuse for that. There are those in this state that has made things hard on me also. I am a retired disabled veteran. I only get so much money a month, and it has become unbearable for us to live. My wife and I loose sleep over the economic issues this state and the Biden administration has placed on us. Thank you.
@@EricaToffel my wife has family in Boise, and in Pocatello. Yes the citizens of Idaho are great. I have friends who retired and sold everything here in California and moved up there. They are extremely happy, and I’m a little jealous. Gavin Newsom has tarnished this state.
polarizing
The topic seems to be but the people are not.
If you're LDS and have lots of money they'll welcome you with open arms
Idaho to California????? What are they smoking!! That's completely nuts!!!!!
Not too common but occasionally 🤭
It’s spelled “polarizing,” not “polirizing”!
Even my spelling is polarizing. 🤣 appreciate you paying enough attention to spellcheck.
I have seen videos like this from Texas. I think they are just trying to get California's to leave.
Trying to be honest about why someone might leave but… very few do. Can’t speak for Texas. I am sure weather is a factor there too.
In the past 2 years, friends of mine have moved from California to: Idaho, Florida, Texas, Tennessee and North Carolina.
None of them will ever move back.
I talk to buyers all the time considering all of those states. We considered NC at one point too but ID ultimately won out for a number of reasons.
Oh no stay there. We full in cali 😅
Don’t have to tell me twice. 🤣
I could live with a certain amount of conservatism. But the whole white nationalist thing seems a bit too widespread, along with the general lack of non-white people. As for education, I dunno. I found a document online (from the Idaho department of education, no less) cheerfully saying that Idaho's student achievement in 2021 was a C, up from a D+ in 2016. Progress is nice, but if I had kids, I'd think twice.
Diversity in Idaho is improving but we still have a long way to go.
The white nationalist thing.. while it does exist, it's like finding a grizzly bear walking through a city. It is an exaggerated problem, outside of northern idaho. But it should be said the people that stood in opposition to those groups were mostly locals. With the school issue I'm 100% with you on that, there's a reason why there are quite a few homeschoolers in Idaho
Home school is a great option and the state makes it easy to do it.
@@EricaToffel If people want to do that, I guess that's an option. Though personally I think that homeschooling is a pretty awful development for most kids and certainly for society as a whole. (Reasons upon request.) It doesn't speak well of a state's commitment to its people that they would encourage such stuff. Again, that's just me. I know many others have a totally different take on the subject.
@@KenCunkle that's right for more than reason, but socializing kids is the biggin'. But just as important is getting quality education, which almost all parents really do not have the skills or background to do. Some do, most don't. These are cold facts
Sorry...people are NOT coming back to the loser state of Cali!!!!
Some are heading to Colorado and Texas.
@@EricaToffel CO is megabucks and more liberal than most parts of CA
Not true
@@jonathanjacques7250 yes, some do move back.
And winters have much shorter days in the winter than in CA.
That’s a huge one! It’s nearly dark when kids get home from school! 😳
How about the few locals born and raised here that have seen the serious loss of the quality of life that floods of people and the infrastructure can't handle the massive traffic and sprawling housing and the miles of ugly apartment buildings that have destroyed the once beautiful town ? I would have never entertained the idea of moving out of Boise, my hometown of 68 years because of the huge loss of the quality of life now. However, I would never move to California, infact you couldn't pay me enough to live there.
I wish I had a good response for you but I realize the change over the last several decades has been something that those born and raised in the valley have had to endure. Growth is great for those moving in but hardest on those watching their quiet city stretch at its seams.
Looks like there is an opportunity for hair coloring business. 😂
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Please don’t bite the hands that feeds you!
Home is home. Glad I never left. You want change to how things were start holdinh the people running the state accountable
That’s a good plan!
and are u doing that with your openly extremist GOP legislators? appears not, bcuz the abortion law is not just antiamerican but repugnant! It jeapordizes a woman's life itself, let alone her health and future-fertility! Do ya'll know nuthin about basic physiology in pregnancy? U disgust me! and then some!
Weather? Try anywhere in the Midwest, the “weather”, here is a joke in comparison.
Weather is so mild here but we do get 4 seasons and some people don’t like anything other than warm weather. 🤷♀️
Because California is the best place on earth
@@carlosvillegas6113 for some maybe???
Yep. Everyone needs to stay there
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Yes indeed 😊
Not with demorats bleeding everyone's taxpayers' money.
Let me guess, the militias are not accepting any new members
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I believe they move back because Idahoans won`t put up with their California bullshit.
Most stay once they have arrived. 😉
You look like Cameron Diaz.
I’ll take that as a compliment. Thank you!
Idaho was once an option we considered for retirement. One Californian is one too many so we're looking elsewhere.
wow, way to be a reactionary narrow-minded simpleton! woohoo!
Californians will be anywhere you look, but I’d be curious to know what else you find.
So many people running from themselves. There is no place to go. Everywhere is the same old shit. People= Stress. You always come back to you. If you don't know who you are, there is no safe place. Get to know life, so you can get to know death!
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Trump signs
Idaho does trend conservative.
They are effective Democrat repellent.
@@jjman533 it might be?
GO BACK.....
Please, do go back. Lol!
Not many do!
People leaving Idaho to go back to California is a good thing for Idaho. Next door, they keep showing up and never leave. Washington is becoming California. Just look at Seattle. As their problems spread to smaller cities, pockets of common sense areas, usually in small towns and / or suburbs, hold their ground. The eastern side of the state says he'll no, go back to Seattle.
We considered Seattle nearly a decade ago and chose Idaho instead because even then it was already similar to what we wanted to leave in LA.
@@EricaToffel good call. Seattle is worse now. I live in Tacoma and sometimes drive a semi in there. Tacoma is becoming Seattle now so I'm moving to my hometown of Steilacoom. It's one of the pockets I was referring to. I'm glad you aren't one of the people who want to make Idaho into California.
Lol because there not too bright
🤣 I only personally know of one. It really doesn’t happen often.
Good ridons, please leave my beautiful state.
What the hell are ridons?
It is beautiful
Wow, that's a hard charging video headline. It asks a question so easy to answer even the trumpian fascists could answer. Idaho is a right wing fever dream. The question isn't why are people leaving, it's WTF would anyone in their right mind ever move there.
Hard charging comment. 😳
Well, to get away from people like you.
@@brucerosati9434 🤔
Anyone who spent years living inCalifornia does not call it Cali!
@@lindadunlap4281 yeah, I don’t think I’ve ever called it Cali. 🤣
60 years living in cali. And yes, we do. Where you from transplanter. lOl
@@ifihadsmesumchicken6276 do you think people from Vegas or Las Vegas have same debates? 🤣
@@ifihadsmesumchicken6276 7th generation Californian, and I've never used "Cali", nor did any of my relatives.
@@LaraSierra28 so? Because you never did no one did? LOL love your logic. Or lack thereof. Typical woman statement.
Oh and 8th gen here. we owned the land that Moffitt field is on today. Ever hear of Lockheed? Or because you never did there's no Lockheed? lol clown.
I would not even consider moving back to California once I moved out. there are 48 other states I could go to that are better than California.
It’s hard to make the first leap but then once you do, you wonder why you didn’t do it sooner. 🤣
And if you vote the wrong way it won't be long till it's just like where you came from.