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Even at Tesla supercharger stations, at temperatures below zero Fahrenheit, charging rates can decline by 80%, resulting in long lines and many cars being towed. This is what happened in the Chicago metro area recently.
@@waynefergusson9987 That's actually one of the minor problems with EVs. Other reasons are that so much of their value is tied up in the battery, and infrastructure will never be sufficient for the increasing percentage of people living in multi-residential housing. However, the main reason is that there is no net benefit to the $trillions required by all involved to switch to EVs. We'd be better off taking the $7500 handed to relatively wealthy EV owners and giving it to those willing to bike or walk to work. We could even give $5,000/year to those willing to do so to incentivize cities to become more amenable to bikes and walking. Even Americans make tourist destinations of places without cars, like Mackinac Island in Michigan, not to mention the obvious health benefits. I'm all for conserving things. How about you?
I live in a flat and so have no hope of charging at home. So many people live in flats and terraces with no drives, so would struggle to charge at home. Therefore, the cost of charging in public is the cost I consider to be the cost of an EV, so therefore it makes sense to listen to the articles telling me about the cost of EV ownership. EV ownership is just not practical for many people who don't have a house with a drive. Houses with drives are getting harder to find if your house budget is on the lower end.
@@Brian-om2hh yeah because when I drive to a fuel station I spend less than 5 minutes at a pump to fill up. Currently charging EVs takes a lot longer than filling up a car and it is more expensive than being able to charge at home, so it's a no brainier for me
@@daisywarwick9444 _yeah because when I drive to a fuel station I spend less than 5 minutes at a pump to fill up._ Quite right, I'm in the same boat - Brian seems to be clueless on this...
@@Brian-om2hh Well, you can, if you have petrol cans at home.. However, you don't need to fill up with petrol each day, so the time spent at a fuel statsion, is way less compared to the time spent charging (for all those, who simply CAN'T charge at home) *in my case, I usually fill up my Prius once or twice a month..
@@Brian-om2hh Flat dweller here too, the infrastructure required to equip a block of say 24 flats with a SECURE private individual charging system would be nothing short of astronomical even if it was possible to have such a system. Home charging takes much longer to recharge the EV battery fully compared to public chargers so has to be done overnight. Home chargers around 7Kw compared to public chargers which are generally 20Kw to more than 100Kw. Flat dwellers would have to go the time consuming and more expensive route of public recharging if forced into EV ownership. Same applies to people living in terraced housing with on street parking.
But the majority of public charging isn't being installed by the Government, it is private enterprise who are installing it. The Government didn't pay for petrol stations either......
It seems most ev owners don‘t choose a car based on their lifestyle, they choose an ev and adjust their lifestyle to the car. Which is exactly what 'they' want.
ironically 'they' want you to keep using gas because then you depend on them unlike with electricity. The failings hes speaking of are very avoidable, but are not, and thats deliberate. 'they' dont actually want you to drive electric. Also, most EV owner choose an EV because it fits their lifestyle. They have a home and can charge there and they dont drive several hundred miles a day. It's rather you who chooses an ICE vehicle because of the perceived convenience of just 5min at the pump. You are still massively dependent on global politics and economics, which you would be less of, if you had the means to generate your own power source. Again, thats why they dont want you to drive electric
@@fetB You‘re very confused, none of what you say makes sense. How are you less depedent on them when you have to rely on the grid for power supply, power you can‘t store. Any combustible is mobile and storable, ready for use.
On a trip to the West Country a 40 minute stop for a bite to eat and a recharge sounds okay, but obviously that depends on a charger being available. Sometimes you’ll have to queue for a couple of hours before you can get plugged in.
Driving two Tesla EVs since 2017, the maximum time I had to cue is 18 minutes. That includes two 1000+ mile road trips and lots of smaller ones too. But, if you have to depend on non-Tesla fast chargers, wait time could approach an hour at congested chargers.
@@hjkr7528 To achieve a 20 min stop & charge, you need the Tesla charging network. Wait until Tesla opens their equipment to your brand. The other brands are not reliable enough.
@@spannaspinna In 50+ years of driving, my eyes were opened when test driving an EV about 7 years ago. It is so much more fun to drive. We’ve already bought 4 and waiting for #5 to arrive by end of year. We’ll never go back to ICE.
I understand the technology perfectly. I have two boats which I've converted from ICE to multiple DC electric motors. However, these use conventional batteries (don't need to worry about weight). These are charged by solar when not in use so have a long charging period (don't use them everyday and barely at all in the winter). From that technical stance, I have no issue with EVs. I do have a problem with the lithium based batteries. These are extremely expensive and obviously constitute a high percentage of the cost of the vehicle. Daily use will reduce the efficiency in charging cycles and they'll need to be replaced at 6 to 10 years. That will be more than the vehicles value in that period. If there was a battery exchange process perhaps that would alleviate the problem. On batteries, these contain many "rare" elements that require deep mining with conventional techniques involving diesel equipment. They're not going to be emission free until a considerable mileage of some 50-70K miles. At which point battery replacement will be required adding to emissions again. If a battery is damaged, if there is fire or not, then replacement, again, leads to further emissions or scrapping the vehicle. Given that EVs are still a small percentage of road vehicles and you've pointed out the public charging issues, then doubling the number or even the 50% that government wants will make the situation worse. The whole 2030-2035-2050 goals are not going to work until alternative cheaper batteries and a full infrastructure is in place. Windmills and solar are not going to do that unless there is massive investment made in power provision at load source. On the subject of fire, yes ICE cars do it too, EVs with lithium cells are difficult to extinguish but ICE cars are a known quantity. I've noted that some insurance companies are refusing to insure EVs because of this and the surrounding damage caused. The whole industry needs to be developed properly and not rushed. Government and climate change evangelists are doing just that, rushing for flawed reasoning.
They waste a lot of energy due to the make up burning fuel.An EV motor has far less part is cooled by Ethelyn Glycol which also cools the battery.Also the muck what leaves the exhaust isn't beneficial to children with their small longs.Spend some time in a busy street in any town and smell the fumes.Remember how VW had to cheat to pretend their engines were clean? It is time to move on like we did from horses to cars.Unless we go back to the horse which maybe bettter for the majority of us paul.
I live in Canada. There are charging issues similar to what you have explained. It is best to own an EV for local commutes. If going on a long trip it is best to plan very well the charging stops. The charging infrastructure is sort of acceptable in Quebec and Ontario, but in the rest of Canada charging along the highways can have issues. Many EV owners, if they want to take a long trip they lease a rental car for the trip, or they own a second vehicle for long trips. For people who live in apartment buildings, and have to park in an area where they cannot have a charger this becomes a serious and annoying issue. I tell people to only buy an EV if they have a guaranteed place where they can charge their EV. If not a better compromise is to get a plug in type hybrid. This can run on battery only, if you can have a place to charge it. As for myself I will not buy an EV. I would have to be forced to buy one.
Everything about EVS is horrifying. From toxic battery metals to windows and doors that don't open with the car burning at 4000 degrees with your family inside.
@@markmiller8903 I've driven EVs and have family members who have them. It is possible to open the doors if the battery system is dead. I have a gasoline SUV and the doors are electronic. There is a manual latch to allow for opening the doors if the electrical was to go dead. There is one popular EV on the market that has quality issues when it comes to the finishing and how the panels fit together when compared to the others. In this one if the battery goes dead there is also a procedure to open the doors quickly. Instead of a receded lever under the inside handle you have to life off a cover plate near to the door lock. Inside is the lever to move. If the door is opened this way on this type of vehicle the door trim will require service because the window will not properly go down to clear the trim. It is a dumb design. When owning any type of vehicle it is important you know how to get out of it fast in case of an emergency. Most people don't properly learn their vehicle. As for EV driving, if you have a good type of model they are terrific to drive. The charging is the issue for most people. EVs are best for local commutes and using your own charger at home.
When ever would you even have to consider renting a car for a long journey when you have a perfectly good car yourself.... It concerns me that people are even considering this from all the media they are fed... keep posting the truth
Your description of the issues faced when using public chargers was absolutely spot on! I had my first experience of public charging recently - it wasn't great! Despite doing all the things you described, such as planning stops along the route, downloading apps in advance etc. I was not prepared for the number of chargers either out of use, or that would not accept my payment cards (including a dedicated EV charge card with funds pre-loaded!) meaning I had to download different apps and agree to funds being 'blocked' on my account before I could start charging. Not to mention the aggressive behaviour of some other EV drivers in competition over the chargers, and were not prepared to take their turn. On a positive note, I found that avoiding motorway services made for a better experience - it seemed to me that if I was prepared to drive a mile or two off the motorway to charge I paid less and charge points were more readily available. I am better prepared now for my next big trip. I have a home charger but if I was not able to have this, I would not consider an EV. The overnight cheaper tariff makes charging very inexpensive and convenient.
@@msgmak1379 It already is in the city centers. They live in apartments down the block so they just leave them there until their next trip, which could be a week or 2 later. There is no use case where EV are superior, despite what a lot of people keep trying to push in the comments.
I think the term 'business' is quite key, not all can claim for an EV, and when the business rates and subsidies become less and less. The cost is the biggest hurdle and the recent concern is rising insurance costs and the potential of home insurance premiums going up for home charging. I'm still on the fence and have done the maths several times and currently it's a huge cost for us to swap. My car usage scheme with my government job doesn't include EVs on their current mileage claim form, so it would be 100% my cost, and the leasing or financing would be several thousands of pounds more per year. So in effect I would be giving myself a pay cut. A diesel is still the most efficient and affordable route for us. But a great video that was a balanced account and did answer many of the issues that we have. Thanks for your time making this video.
I recently visited the UK where I stayed in an old Victorian town, Cleveland. All the big old Victorian houses have been converted into flats and their gardens concreted over for parking. The roads too were completely full of parked cars all day long. How are all these drivers going to charge their vehicles? If you live in a block of flats in London how will the necessary infrastructure be provided?
@@jlrguy2702 ...and that is the aim of the current western governments following "their plan". To cut off the people from mobility, from personal freedom and self-determination. And from health. The EMF (electro-magnetic-fields) are health damaging.
The only people who can afford to buy a £50,000 car are nearly all house owners who can charge at home. Less well off will always have to use public chargers and buy second hand electric cars with dodgy batteries.
Home charging won’t always be cheap… Soon Electricity used for car charging will be taxed at the same rate as petrol. A smart meter can recognise when a car is charging and a higher rate for electricity will be charged … Why do you think the electricity companies are always pushing smart meters?!!
How they will recognise if I charge my car or I use my kettle or my tumble dryer? If they tax it I will put solar panels and a battery to charge for free.
The government will not accept less taxes. They always want more money. If enough people are driving EV's they WILL put higher taxes on electricity. This is how it always goes.
In 1976 I bought a Ford Cortina Mk3 it cost £1,575 I drove it every day for 25 years, then bought a Volvo 240 for £600, used it for 4 years, then a 1992 Ford Fiesta Mk3 for £400, used it for 15 years and now have a 1999 Nissan Micra that cost £1,000 including fully serviced with New MOT so total cost of cars for 44 years of daily driving only £3, 575, (The Cortina and Fiesta I still own) and their values have risen to more than the cost of the £50,000 EV, now that is sensible and cost effective motoring. as I know the EV battery will not last 25 years, and the EV will not be worth £80,000 even if it survived till it was 50 years old, and had around 4 new battery packs fitted at a cost of around £30,000 plus each time?, realistically an EV will be scrapped once the battery pack gives up, meaning far more pollution and resources used to produced a replacement vehicle, my Fiesta engine 1.3cc petrol, was professionally rebuilt when I bought it, costing only £1,200 a hell of a lot cheaper than a new EV battery pack. true I pay more for petrol than currently EV owners do for Electricity, but watch the price on that sky rocket if EV's are everywhere, it wont be just 70p then, I remember back in 1974 petrol was only 50p a Gallon, and look at the price now. for only a liter.almost 3 times as much, as the ! gallon cost.
Rebuilding engine for a Porsche Cayman (due to bore scoring) cost about the same as a new battery for a EV (30.000 $€£), and then you get a engine that uses less fuel and has more power then the original and will last maybe 20 - 30 years and more.
Insurance...I am buying a 1 year old Zoe. The insurance is the same as my existing Smart. Friends Rangerover car engine has just completely ate itself and the insurance company has written it off.
Our 2018 Tesla Model X cost seven times as much as the 2012 Honda Civic that it replaced. Yet, our insurance went down! This is because we received a green incentive from our insurance company. What a pleasant surprise that was!
Gas is the new dinosaur. Open your eyes, driverless EVs vehicles can charge without help. Accidents will drop way down. But the uneducated will still be scratching their heads.
I’m a service engineer who’s doing 30,000 miles a year in a EV. We lose staff due to the company electric fleet policy. I charge for over 5 hours a week. I’ve had a 7 hour round trip take 13.5 hours due to broken chargers and waiting for busy chargers. I only charge on the public network and it’s mostly 79p a kilowatt for the places I have to charge. I’m praying I’ve got an EV with a faulty battery that catches on fire and smoulders onto the road.
@@davidowen2859 you can put an electric fire out too. It takes a bit longer only if the fire brigade don't have the right equipment. It's just not a reason for not having electric cars. It's happened anyway whether you like it or not. The tipping points already happened.
Meanwhile in the last month there have been in excess of 1500 public chargers, including loads of motorway services getting huge upgrades and increased numbers.
I had a family friend who died through tiredness. I ALWAYS stop after 2 hours on long trips. I usually stop for about 20 minutes, so changing that to 30 minutes won’t kill me.
It's what the highway code recommends, 15 mins every 2 hours. But an EV will cope with 30 mins every 4 hours if it's a fast charging model . 20 mins every 2 hours would be a doddle for most EVs.
Here in Norway 2 hours is a short trip... Long trip is 6 to 12 hours, 6 hours I usually do with no stop at all. And longer trips will have stops for fuel and food . 20 min rest every 2 hours will make getting somewhere take to long...
Bought a Tesla Model 3 Long range 3 years ago, and have done roughly the same mileage. Charge at home overnight for almost all journeys. When we need to charge on route the car guides us to the charger, we plug in, charge and go. No cards, no passwords, easy! 6 months ago we changed our 2nd car to a model Y. No servicing bills, "fill the tank" for a fiver at home, and if we need to charge away it's still under £30 for a full charge.Wouldn't go back to ICE cars now. I appreciate this would not suit everybody, but it works for us!
Clickybaity title considering you yourself would happily buy another electric car, but generally a fair an interesting insight into electric car ownership. I leased a BMW i3 as my first electric car through my business (made a lot of sense in terms of taxes as you say). Great car but i found the charging infrastructure on long journey's to be dire and so I did the obvious thing... and swapped it out for a Tesla Model 3. Completely different world. I drove from Newcastle to Cornwall without a single issue this year, no Zap Map, no planning even, just let Tesla and their amazing chargers do the job. The electricity is even generally cheaper on Superchargers than at non-Tesla rapid chargers. So my question to you is, why didn't you get a Tesla? Polstar is a very fine car but the charging infrastructure and experience is just leagues better in a Tesla and I wouldn't go back.
Risk of EV fire, long charge time, expensive insurance, & crazy low resale value would stop most people from buying one... not to mention they are anything but reliable just check all the new EV reviews with tons of problems!
Charger network - one big reason to get a Tesla (if you are going to get an EV...) . Full use of their supercharger network. They got it right in this regard - put the infrastructure in to support the car/users
Tesla's charger network might be the best, but from what I can gather their drive motor battery packs can't be repaired. So as long as you don't have any issue with the battery, especially when the warranty period comes to an end you'll be fine. But if something does happen and the battery needs to be scrapped along with the whole car probably, it's going to set you way further behind financially than if you bought an economical ICE vehicle and paid for fuel and scheduled maintenance.
Here is the real answer. Have two vehicles. One an an Ev for around the town and one an ICE for long distance. Now, you could combine them into a hybrid!.
I had range anxiety once when I was 18 years old, not long passed my test. I put diesel in my mums petrol car. I got about half a mile and broke down. 😧
You seem to have your assessment backwards. Given that the energy to charge an EV costs much less than the gas to fuel an ICE car, the more you drive, the more economic sense it makes to get an EV. These days, there are a good number of folks who find that their entire car payment for an EV is covered by their fuel savings. Your frustrations with charging are entirely owed to the fact that you did not buy a Tesla. There really are three basic types of cars: ICE cars, Teslas, and all other electric/hybrid cars. The driving experience with these three types of cars is completely different.
Re home charging, on a domestic supply you typically put 10% more energy in the battery than you get out due to heat loss the higher power public chargers don’t have this issue. In the USA now it is typical for home insurers to specify that your EV must be parked and charged at least 50ft away from any buildings or other vehicles due to the number of houses that have suffered damage when the BEV has caught fire. Food for thought.
I am on my 5th EV since 2013 and have covered 130,000 miles pretty much trouble free and at a fraction of the cost of my previous ICE vehicles. The driving experience is sublime and I would highly recommend. Would never go back to ICE.
Thanks for this review, well balanced. We have both petrol and electric and charge our EV from a 3pin at home. Its perfect for 95% of our needs. It's a company car and I think the only sensible way to have one at the moment.
I never bought a new car in my life. My cars were between 250 € till maximum 6,000 €. When I consider the price of a new EV which can go easily to 50,000 € or pounds. At the moment I can’t afford an EV and will not buy one.
I have an MG4 Trophy and just love it. Free charge from solar panels cheap charging overnight and a really great drive. I will never go back to an ICE car
Charging at home, and charging for free are something that never occurs to people who berate EVs. Every time I pass a petrol station they are queueing up. Takes me 20 seconds to "charge" my car, because I plug it in and do something that I actually want to do. I never wanted to go to a petrol station, but I had to, and I had to stand out in all weathers, in diesel soaked forecourts and got ripped off for doing so. Oct 2023 £1.55/litre that's 15p per mile at 50mpg, EV at home 2p per mile.
Have been driving an ev for 2.5 years and loving it. My biggest issue I had here was me not putting the cable in fully donut didn't start charging, happened twice I think.😂 But here in the Netherlands I have 4 public chargers in walking distance. Last Wednesday visiting relatives Inhaf the choice of 3 chargers in around 150 meters. Cost of public charger here in the street is 25c per kWh. I'm not going to bother putting in a charger at home although I have 28 solar panels on my roof. It's all about infrastructure. The netherlands have 30% of all the chargers in Europa. Went to south of France 1300 km a few times without trouble every 2.5 hours we needed to let the dogs stretch their legs and the time we walked with the dogs and had a coffee (15 minutes) the car was charged again for more then enough for the next 2.5 or 3 hours. Next car will be petrol again nonetheless. We could private lease this car for ffing cheap (Kona 64kwh for 300€ a month), but I refuse to spend more then 6 to 8k on a car and the 2nd hand EV's don't exist for that money. So probably back to a nice Saab again.😊
Just jumped over from a Sun online article expecting an EV-hating video aligned with their weird agenda. What I find is a well-rounded accurate review. Well done Sun Online you've just played yourself LOL
You are in the UK. In the US I worry about insurance, cost of minor repairs, cost of battery damage, cost of the car including depreciation and erratic resale value. Worry about flooding, worry about power loss due to storms. Quality issues such as rattles, general quality as compared to high end ICE (Lexus, Toyota). Tire wear, spare tire. Fire including setting my house on fire. Insurance?
Don't confuse EV vehicles with either Teslas or with the UK government's failure of EV chargers. Tesla super chargers are becoming the standard in the US and hopefully they will step up in the UK deploying more that every EV car will use.
SORRY BUT: Tesla Superchargers are NOT the standard in the US, the Tesla CONNECTOR is becoming the standard plug - other charge providers will be able to make their chargers with the Tesla Plug (NACS). Moving everyone over to the same plug will not sort out the issues with charging either here or in the US. The issue is, and this has been well documented by home charge provider Myenergi, that the car manufacturers are not implementing the standards correctly. Indeed TESLA weren't implementing the standards correctly, and it's the standards that mean that charging works all the time. Tesla had the forethought to make a car AND a charging network that THEY controlled. This had the advantage that they got all the intel on why their chargers weren't working and quickly sorted it out - which was doubly helped by them having over the air updates to their cars and their chargers. BTW the NACS plug will probably never become the standard on this side of the Atlantic - the EU mandated CCS2 as the standard in Europe for the exact same reason the NACS will be the de-facto North American standard.
@@terryjimfletcher it doesn't surprise me that the standard for EU UK and US will be different, just look at the plugs in our homes for everything! NACS will be the US standard though. Tesla super chargers will become the US network as every Electrify America charger breaks.
Thank you for this. As an EV owner with 30KW I agree with your comments about range anxiety. But you have missed a point which has been painful. When you buta gallon of juice, the pump is under cover. Most chargers are out around the back (somewhere?) and when its raining and in the dark very trying to use especially if you don't belong to that chargers club and there is no WiFi signal. Even as a guest, each club has its own order of getting a charge. Now put the card reader nice and low so a child can use it, cover it with rain drops and the lower the reader, the higher your temper will rise. You will be lucky to start a charge within 3 minutes, while the rain runs down your neck. Another one to watch out for is the hotel chargers. You need to sign in at reception else you will get a bill. Then if the charger is only 22Kw (many are just 7) you will have to go out at 2 in the morning and move the car else get an over-stay penalty. You must have made this video some time ago, as you can now pay 79p/kw. If in the Torbay area, the only Chademo is at Lidl where the charge can often be limited because of lack of power to the charger and the queue..............? I have a friend who is mad on money. He works out the cost of every KW he buys. He even tried to get his wife to dry her hair at 2 in the morning. He found that the cheap night charging rate with a more expensive day rate made the tariff he was on, more expensive.
Interesting view point, we started using EV's back in Nov 2018 a Nissan Leaf 24kWh, with about 84% SOC, which gave about 20kWh of useable energy to drive with. That's 2 thirds less than you advise people, and at a time when chargers were even less easy to find out between charging points. We live in mid Wales, and when we started out, only one 50kw charger existed at the beach in mid Wales. So in that time frame we have added 50k miles to the clock, been down south 5 fives 500 mile round trip. Plus we been to Germany 4 times in this car, driving from mid Wales to Munster via an overnight ferry from Harwich to the Hook of Holland a trip that would take a day and half to complete and cover 1,080 miles. Not once have we run out, and the problem with chargers has been minimal in our experience. Only once did I experience range anxiety, and that was because I miss calculated at the last charger and left too soon. So if at the age of 63 can do it, with a pritty basic education, I am sure most all others can with the right can do attitude.
500 miles in a 24kwh Nissan leaf, with a max real world range of about 90 miles? Never mind Germany, with around 600 miles one way. A change in driving, I wouldn’t even use a Nissan leaf as a daily driver, never mind one with diminished range. I drive over 100 miles a day. I’ll leave that one with you..
Do you believe that people have common sense? Do you believe that people can add, divide or multiply two numbers? I have a BMW i3, I did 700 miles in Scotland in one freezing day, I charged 7 times and I didn't have a problem. Never had any range anxiety. My car didn't loose any value because I bought it used (4 yo with 16k miles) at 1/4th of the price that had new and I can sell it now (two years later) at the same price. At 95% of the time I charge at 9p at home. I make almost 4m/Kwh so it costs me 2.25p/mile, when my old diesel was at 15p. I make 5k every year, so I save £600 from fuel and at least £200 for service. A used refurbished battery costs right now 4-6000 pounds but my battery is still at 94% of it's health. I can pay a battery from what I saved from fuel every 4-6 years, (they pay you for the old battery) or they refurbish your old battery if you want to leave it there for 2-4 weeks. You know what? I don't regret it, I love my golf cart.
@@chrishar110 I think you talk out of your ass, 2yrs ago you couldn't pick a 4yro i3 up for 1/4 price, especially not with 16k miles, you can't even pick up a 4yro I3 now for 1/4 the price. Your looking at 4-6k for a used battery not a refurbished battery, so please check your facts. I'll agree charging at home is cheaper than any ICE car on the road, but not when using public charging. I'm glad you only do 5k miles a year, I do 35k miles a year and don't have hours of time to wait charging it up on the way. 7x charges on a 700 miles road trip, your off your trolly. By the way I have a Tesla MY 2023 plate, but I gave it to my Mrs after figureing with my mileage in 4 years it will be worthless. So now in the week for work I stick to my X-trail that does 830 miles on one tank that cost me £85 to fill, it also won't break the bank if it needs a new engine not that it will when serviced as the engine's good for 300-400k miles.
@@jlrguy2702 I got my i3 for £13k. I am talking for a used battery that was checked and had replaced any faulty cells (that's what I mean refurbished) for 4000 the 32Kwh and 6000 for the 42Kwh.
This video is brilliant. Thank you. It’s really helped. I have been really stressed out regarding if to buy an EV . I am going to be leasing one at a fantastic price for on a personal lease. It’s coming in June. Such a premium brand I jumped on the deal as this will be my only opportunity to get into such a fantastic car. It is a 70kw battery and will give me 215-240 realistic range . I will be getting home charger too . We don’t do lots of miles . Only at weekend may branch out with kids but not 100s of miles. If we do then like you say we will just top up on the way. It will be out first EV so we was really confused . As lots of negative comments regarding range and this and that.
Teslas charging network in the UK is excellent. They are over 99 percent reliable. I plug in and it charges automatically. There's great availability of chargers. It was 43p per kWh to charge yesterday. I have no range anxiety. The car navigates itself to charge points on any journey.
There are 1,841Tesla supercharge stations in the U.S. with California having the most with 363. and seeing that the U.K. is 1.7 times smaller than California this would mean that the equivalent superchargers in the UK would be around 242. At present there is about 115,000 gas stations in the U.S. However, at these supercharge stations their charging output is reduced when more than one vehicle is charging so it takes longer. If all petrol stations reverted to superchargers, most would be turned off since the load would exceed the grid capacity very quickly. The average UK house consumes around 3500 kWh per year, these superchargers dish out up to 250kWh per charge which means that charging 42 Teslas at the same time with an average charging time of 15 minutes uses up the amount of energy of the average household in the UK in one year. There are about 30 million cars on British roads, imagine what would happen if they decided to charge their cars at the same time and even if restrictions are introduced at hourly times it would still mean that over 1.3 million cars charging per hour is the equivalent consumption of 30,000 houses in one year and that is just for one hour of charging. But there are also around 7 million commercial vehicles and some of their batteries are significantly bigger. When are people going to realise that EVs will be unsustainable when a saturation point is reached, you can work out how many EVs would do this, it's not very large.
Good and fair video. Here on Norway, my experience with the range drop is a lot more severe than in the UK. In the ultra cold last winter, I experienced range drops to below 50% advertised range. Heating, reduced battery performance, and ice corrugated roads took their toll. Oddly enough, my gasoline hybrid Volvo faced just about a 5%-7% increased fuel consumption. The fact that IC-engines (in steady state) are more efficient in cold air and that you can just dump the engine heat into the passenger compartment makes them really ideal for winter use.
You must also remember that the battery on EV`s HAVE to be heated up to more then +0c to be charged, that can take a lot of electricity to do, so much that if you try to charge it over night at a 16A outlet your car might not be charged at all because all the energy goes to heat up the battery.
@@a64738 We live in Norway and often charge our smaller EV outside at temperatures below -16 degrees. The battery will charge but the process is indeed lossy. You lose up to 20% of the energy compared to summer. The range loss in winter is absolutely horrific in winter and cannot be emphasized enough IMO. It can be that you reach
The public charger network is considerably better than it was back when I bought back in 2021. There is far more availability and that is increasing by 100's of chargers monthly and it is far more reliable than it was.
Yes. We're basically 10 years into mass EV production, so there is a way to go. I can't imagine the petrol station infrastructure was too clever 10 years after the introduction of the motor car either. Everything has to start somewhere.
Instavolt used to allow that. May have changed as its been a while but they were brought by a dirty oil company and the prices were jacked up. (probably to deter people buying EVs)
It's because dirty oil owns these companies and they wanna deter people from buying an EV by making charging in public shitty. You can pay for gas by putting in your debit card and inputting the pin... Why not electricity? You should be able to put in exactly how many kwh or moneywise you wanna buy too before it starts.
My simple way to work was 380 km about 240 miles and in winter times the temperature may plummet to -26 Degrees Celsius, I was never in this favourable position where my work place was only 25 km / 16 miles away. For me an EV is a pain in the but. With my old diesel which I bought for 2,500 € I have a range of 1,000 miles if I drive with truck velocity on the motorway, so why would I spend a fortune for an EV ?
Do you make 5-6 hours every day to go to work and return? That's £60-70 for fuel every day. Why do you work if you have to spend so much time and money? I think that you lie or you are crazy.
lol @ the bird on the roof - but that aside - this is a great real life review. I always thought home charging would be my main source of charging if I ever bought an EV but I know how life works. Its the one time you do a long trip that something will go wrong...
We're probably typical, and have done 4 long trips without an issue as the key is planning, We went to a 12 bay site AND away from peak times. This will become less important as more of these superhubs (see Gridserve's offering) are built.
I dont understand why most people would have an ev. Maybe people who live near London and want to avoid congestion charge. Or wealthy people who want an extra car. Otherwise its pointless and not greener.
A very useful and fair review, thanks Darren. I like the look of the Polestar and my neighbour has just got one. Once I’ve got a charger at home I’d consider one for our local use. Very happy to keep our Volvo XC60 diesel for long journeys.
I had the same idea and initially kept my ICE diesel but after 10 months and less than 500 miles sold it, now thinking of getting a Tesla (currently have the MG4 standard range) and a second short range for the other half
I'd go for a Polestar over a Tesla. The Polestar began as a Volvo concept car, and Polestar took it over, developed it and produced it. Polestar has lots of Volvo design elements, particularly the seats. You won't find better seats in any other car.
cheers for the vid, was never sure on a ev. hoping to get one through my work and always wanted to be sure on charge more than anything. Would the charge still be good if done through 3 pin?
How's your power grid doing? Any idea what will happen when the majority of car owners own an EV? People come home and start charging around the same time, compounding on the already existing peak hours. At least it will force a government into implementing regulation. On the other hand, you will only be allowed to charge outside of peak hours.
You charge at night on cheap rate tariff. The grid can cope. They currently have to shut down a lot of generation which you and I have to pay for. EV's make the grid much more efficient.
If you have a place you can charge from home and your daily driving is such that charging from home can cover over 90% of your charging needs then an EV can be a good choice. Here in the U.S. we have the same problem with public charging stations. The government needs to mandate that all chargers take credit or debit and limit the amount usage fees for using them. They also need make the chargers more reliable. They also need to mandate that all chargers have an auxiliary charge cable port for EV owners who have their own charging cables. EV owners would by the charging cable that best suits their EV. My EV can only charge a maximum of 50 kW. So my cable could be thinner and longer. This would make it easier for me for the cable to reach no matter the layout. It also mean it wouldn't matter the connector type as my cable fits my EV. It also mean that even if the chargers cable was broken or had been stolen I still be able to use the charger with my cable. It also allow more than one person to use the same charger. Thus increasing the number of available chargers.
Two concerns that continue to put me off. One is battery integrity - even a relatively minor "clunk" and the battery has a big question mark hanging over it. Another is battery degradation - even if there are several years before it really starts to bite. If you fully make the most of your sporty EV, with lots of fast acceleration and fast charging, it will take its toll on the battery and the consequences will be: lower power (for driving and longer charging), less capacity (range) and greater losses (cost per mile). These are not definiite stoppers, but they are complications I'm happy to keep away from.
@@chrishar110 The point is that the battery is the key component and so many things cause it to degrade or call into question its integrity. An EV driver might use a 100kW charger for 1/2 hr recharge mid-journey, but high power transfers degrade the battery whether charging or in motion. It takes 5 minute to refuel an ICE car and there is no impact on degradation. I can go over a speed bump on an ICE car and could be unlucky to suffer some minor damage. With an EV, even a minor scrape or bump can damages a cell, and it could be catastrophic. You have little or no idea until it happens. I accept EVs save inner city emissions and this is a good thing for people who travel a lot in built-up areas. But that's not me, and I can only see big drawbacks to an EV which means I'm not a willing buyer.
@@gufpott I had a car that blown the engine on 5k miles. Does it happen every day? Does it happen to everyone? How often can it happen? If I had to think like that I wouldn't walk on the road because somebody drove off the road and hit a pedestrian. I am happy with my EV, my battery is still on 94% of the capacity after almost 5 years, you are happy with your ICE, so the life goes on. I paid for my car and I will pay for any damages, you paid for you car, you pay for your fuel and services, everybody pays for his selections and mistakes, so you don't have to change my mind, I don't have to change your mind too.
@@chrishar110 Yes, I agree, we all wish to make choices on what we value. My original comment explains why I value owning an ICE more than an EV. It's fine for you to have another opinion and make your own choices But there is a difference here - the UK Government doesn't want to leave me with my choice and judgement because it wishes to abolishing ICE sales in just a few short years and deprives me of my own judgement and choice Which gives me another decision to not voting for arrogant parties who wish to impose their views on me despite my own judgement.
Where I live, non-official electric car repair shops started popping up. They can, in regards to battery, replace just the degrading cells of the battery very very cheaply, among other things. On the other hand, if you go to an official Tesla repair shop, for example, they will not be bothered to replace individual cells but try to get you to replace the whole battery for a new one, even if it is not neccessary at all. Also, I know it sounds shady when I say "non-official electric car repair shops" but they all are professional car mechanics who adapted to the evolving car landscape and started focusing on electric cars. Pretty neat. Not to mention they will repair any other thing on an electric car much much cheaper than the official service shop. I don't know how it is abroad, but as electric cars leave the warranty period, a whole new market is emerging for electric cars that will need to get serviced, and people will look for solutions on how to do it cheap.
A friend of ours bought a £87k Tesla but does several long distance journeys each year. After 15 months he said he couldn't take it any more and was going back to a petrol car as it was too stressful and way too costly. Charging to 95% apparently was costing him £70+ for 355miles range. We drive to Scotland ( Highlands) or Cumbria from the south of England for regular breaks and the same friend said don't even consider an EV as a primary car unless your only driving local. So we're very happy to stick to our diesel Q5, certainly until we've finished travelling. Thanks for the brilliant and honest video 👍
I've had an electric car for three years. You're the one who *has* to drive to a petrol station to fill up, then gets financially raped paying for it.. I charge at home most of the time, for around a 9th of the cost of using petrol. Servicing is cheaper too. My last service cost me £68. Who was it you said was daft again?
If you are doing the average miles per day (20-25 miles a day) and you have 200+ miles of range and home charging, no issue . When Tesla open the charging network to other brands, public charging should be less of an issue. For people who have no off street parking , you do not have to use costly DC fast charging. Lots of 5kw street lamp chargers being installed in london now. Good for over night charging.
@@thelimey351 not really anything to break, just a socket IN the lamppost. Just looked on their web site. Hundreds are green (ready for use ) 20 or 30 or so blue (in use, it's 12 am) only 6 or so out of service. They have been installing them a few (5 or 10) a month, since 2018. They think they will have over 1,000 by 2025. See the video link in my above post. No real issues yet.
My Ford fiesta paid £2000 in 2018, runs on diesel and takes about £55 to fill the tank. Can do more than 500 miles in full tank. Do I need to do the maths for a EV, no I don’t. I have half a brain cell which works. I won’t be touching a EV in next good few decades. I’m holding an MSc in electrical and electronics engineering, all I got to say you are risking your life and your house when you are charging that EV in your home.
Please elaborate! I don’t have an msc in electrical engineering (or in anything else), but I do have an ev since 2018 and I charge it at home every night. So far no concerns.
If you are an electrical engineer you will know that the LFP chemistry will burn but only if you heat it up to 600C first. Perhaps you need to update your knowledge. I'm just a sparks.
You won't be driving ICE in a few decades either.... It's a good thing you didn't see Shell UK's last business report. In it, Shell stated their intention to cut the production of petrol and diesel by 40% on the lead up to 2030. In as soon as another 10 to 15 years, around 30 to 40% of the petrol stations around now, will either have gone, or will have rapid chargers on their forecourts. Shell in Norway are already replacing petrol pumps with rapid and ultra rapid chargers on their forecourts. Norway already has around 60% EV take-up. It costs less to buy a new EV there, than it does a new ICE car.
Utter nonsense. Thatcham, the UK based Road Safety organisation, carried out a study into car fires using globally collated data. They found there were 1529.9 fires per 100'000 ICE cars, and 25.4 fires per 100'000 electric cars. The reality is actually the complete opposite of what you perceive it to be. Statistically, your nice "safe" ICE Fiesta is around 60 times *more* likely to catch fire than you thought it was......
A 400 km range under the best conditions is terrible. An EV (if cheap enough) would be ok as a commuter car. But here in rural Australia they are a poor choice. The charging infrastructure is abysmal here. They might be ok in a tiny place like Great Britain, but they are far too limited in bigger countries in my view.
yes, the insurance on my Enyaq has gone up £50 this year to £430, pretty much in line with my daughters Fiat Panda - Fairly similar to our Previous Corolla hybrid and 320d.
I have an EV in a charger desert. I believe the OP's comments are valid. I enjoy my EV and recognize the limitations. I only wish i had leased my car and had not purchased it. The EV prices will drop and will make depreciation painful. Good honest video.
sorry if I missed you talking about this......but how does cold affect your EV? Just sitting there in cold temps the battery charge goes down. In comparison a ICE car gets less MPG in cold temps. So if you are home for the weekend during the winter and dont drive your EV. How much charge will your battery loose just sitting there?
Practically none but in cold weather batteries have a double whammy. They cannot take as much charge and you need the heater and AC on which depletes the battery very quickly.
Nice video. The issue I have with the government's push for the switch to EV is, like you said - it's not for everyone! I'm a QS and often have to make multiple site visits a day at the end of the month; it is not practicable for me to sit waiting for my car to charge and waste any additional time further planning my journeys. But I can see how an EV is ideal for someone with short commutes and journeys, saving time and money (when charging from home). Other things that I believe are worth noting are the longevity of the battery, the cost of replacement and the second-hand market. The depreciation of EV vehicles will always be poor as the battery has a much lower lifespan in comparison to a combustion engine. Moreover, a damaged battery will almost always be a right-off and repair shops won't want to sacrifice their space due to the quarantine recommendations. Again... people need to assess their own situation - one size doesn't fit all.
Very good point about needing loads of different apps for all the different chargers, same as the hassle of buying a parking ticket these days. Just imagine when your bank issues you a new card, you will have to update the details on 15 charger apps. What a hassle. I fill my Diesel car once a month, no app needed.
Most of the newer chargers do. It has been a legal requirement for around 18 months now, for a newly installed EV charger to have a contactless payment facility......
Excellent and informative video. Thank you. The secondhand car market will kill EV’s. The battery represents around 40% of the cost to build a new EV. As the car depreciates, new owners are exposed to that cost. Also, my insurance broker refuses to insure Teslas.
What about Insurance costs, Fire risks, and losing 50% value after 2 years . EVs NOT a good purchase at all.. buy a Petrol and have fun freedom and reliable trips with NO hassles and no silly touch screens and junk made for kids..
Thanks! A very balanced and level headed description, told from experience (unlike many of the comments on here from folks who sound like they've made up their mind without trying one).
Great review - one point though - home charging is by far the cheapest - as there is no tax applied, unlike Petrol/Diesel fuel duty. It must only be a matter of time before some sort of tax will be applied, I would hazard at a guess that it will be some sort of mileage charge. With a measure point being the MOT. It is interesting that Toyota is going down the route of hybrid cars, I'm guessing going for the section of the market that cannot charge at home, [flat dwelers, etc].
Toyota is promoting hybrid vehicles because they have a giant investment in building engines, transmissions, and hybrid motor/battery packs. They don’t want to scrap those production lines. Lexus and Toyota launched horrible EVs that are not selling. Now, their sales people tell buyers EVs are don’t sell. Hybrids are obsolete except for special use cases. 300+ mile EVs are readily available at competitive prices when total cost of ownership is included. 98% of the time, most of us drive under 50 mi per day.
I wish i would have listen to you before accepting a Skoda Enyaq 80 company car -I live in the low emission part of Madrid Spain, your video is 100% spot on. In Spain public chargers are even less, and at least 50% of them are usually out of order. After 1 years with my EV, thank God with now a charger at work (I live in a flat so no home charger) I just use it to commute, go to work. On the weekend it stays at the parking, this last winter I stayed home or used my wife Serie A, in the summer I used my vespa. I use to do 2-3 1300 Kms in a go to the french Alps or Paris every year, we now use my wife small car. I've totally dropped on EV, accepting one has been the second worst error in my life (not joking). Dont get an EV if it is your only family car, an EV is only valid to go to work o to the supermarket over the weekend, now is it worth to pay 60k€ for a commute car? Clearly no (except if you need to access a ULEZ to work). The only positive side of it, because it has one: it's the best driving experience I've had (and I've owned 25+ cars in 30 years). This is not enough to cover for the terrible headwinds...
Be careful if you have a small business, leasing a car thru your business. A few years ago I got a little Kia Picanto as an office runaround. SHOCKED when the insurance was double what it was for my personally owned BMW M4!
Cost of a brand new EV: 50,000 Cost of a similar ICE vehicle: 30,000 EV value after 6 years of driving: 10,000 ICE vehicle value after 6 years: 15,000 Total EV value loss = 40,000 Total ICE value loss = 15,000 Difference= 25,000 Maintenance cost is the same. EV doesn't need oil changes while it needs expensive heavy duty XL tires more often than ICE vehicles.
@@andrei3586 in most cases no warranty for the battery after 6 years. Very expensive to replace the battery if it dies. Sometimes it costs $20,000 to replace the battery on a used EV
The reason for the apps is very simple,they can track you .Where you are time you are there.time you leave and where you change next.So freedom of travel does not exist,for ev drivers .
Question, What details do you have to provide to be able to charge your EV??? I don't have to provide ANY personal information when buy Gas at the petrol station. I take my personal very privately.... My GP and medical file don't have most of my details, they have NO phone number or address for me....
8.31. You went down the classic EV owners route to justify having to stop for 40 minutes. Food and toilet. Yesterday I drove from Derby to London and stayed with family who live in a flat. On the way home the M1 was SHUT so I had to do a 30 mile detour. Fortunately I was in my trust Ford Focus with 498 miles on a full tank so no range anxiety or wasted time charging. A simple journey of 300 miles in an ICE but a potential nightmare in an EV. As for you 'all you need is to plan' - why should I have to plan where to go to charge?
what about the loss of value of your car ?,, you will be lucky if you get anything for it , also how about how much car insurance will cost for the next year
Depreciation on new cars is always a killer - A diesel Audi A4 loses 38-47% of it's value in 3 years. Don't buy new cars, especially ones in which the market hasn't settled down yet. Personally I saved 12k on a year old Enyaq with 6k miles on it. I've got no intention of selling it as it is a great car.
so what you are saying is , don't buy an EV as the marget has not settled down yet on them , hence the price cutting going on , will take your advice and will not be buying one , only those who jumped in and did not look hard enhough as to what was happening are the only ones with them , many thanks for your advice @@markburton8303
Charging at home is an option for those only who live in a suburban home with a garage where they can charge their EV. But if you live in an apartment building in a city you don't have this option. Another problem is if you take your car on very long drives, e.g., from Minnesota to Florida, or a longer drive even, from Virginia to Oregon. In this case you'll waste a lot of time and money at public recharging stations, assuming even you can find them. As most of us expect their one vehicle to be used both for short local drives and for the long interstate ones too, an EV is not an option.
I'm always intrigued by these "don't buy an EV" stories as it's so down to the individual use case. The charging infrastructure is clearly the biggest drawback but if you never go far and can charge at home, who cares? For others, buy a Tesla! Range anxiety is a thing, particularly when reliant on non-Tesla infrastructure. But again, it's not a problem if you never go far and if you do, buy a Tesla. Cost is an issue though. Sure, it's not so much an issue if you can charge at home and I'm sure that it's great to be able to get a full charge for £10 on cheap rate overnight 'leccy. But what nobody talks about is the additional cost for your day time rates which go up when you switch to one of these overnight cheap tariffs. So, have you done that cost comparison? And can you share it? Overall, as a petrol head, and someone who does drive regularly over 400 miles in a weekend and often to North England and Scotland, I'm almost at the point of accepting that EVs can work. Give me a diesel hybrid with 60 - 70 miles battery range and now you are definitely talking!
Don't buy an EV, if you must, lease one. According to Cap they lost 30% in a year. That's not 30% from new thats an additional depreciation on a 3 year old car this year compared to a 3 year old car last year. Many dealers have decided not to take any more used EV's.
@@frostyflameff4003 how can that be? Who funds these studies? Just look at overnight power in most countries. In the uk it is almost always 80%+ wind, nuclear and hydro. With the rest biomass and gas. And please don't start going on about Cobalt in the batteries , modern LFP batteries do not have any Cobalt in them.
@@davidowen2859 all modern tech drops in value. I spent almost 1,000 pound in a 486 PC in the early 90, by 2000 it was worth about 150 pounds by 2005 probably with nothing...... but so what it still worked and the only way to stop old tech falling in value is to have no progress in tech at all.
I have owned, for about 2 years, a "Chinese" car, in fact a 970 kg Dacia Spring, for which I payed the "enormous" price of 8,000 euros through state subsidies, and I also have a "gas station" (240V socket) in my yard. In 2 years and 30,000 km I had exactly 0 problems with it, and an average energy consumption of 11 kWh/100 km, with a cost equivalent to 1.5 l of gasoline per 100 km, compared to the old combustion car, which consumed at least 10 l of gasoline per 100 km and that broke at least once a month. In 5 years, the entire cost of the electric car will be amortized only from the savings made at the price paid for fuel. I say that it is always worth buying an electric car instead of an inefficient combustion engine (the efficiency of any combustion engine is below 40%, the rest goes into heat and waste, while an electric one is around 80%). In a year or two, at least 4 electric models will appear in Europe (Citroen e-C3, Renault 5, Tesla Model 2 and VW id.2) with good performance and with a price below 25,000 euros before subsidies.
EVs are no go if you want to keep your car long time. Battery replacement alone after 8-10 years cost as much as a new gasoline car like Toyota Corolla. Gasoline cars last nearly forever if you can do lot of work yourself. Parts are very cheap compared to EV parts.
No, you don’t get my point, the Tesla’s are fine I am sure. It’s the infrastructure that will be the huge challenge in the coming years. Only a matter of time before the infrastructure charging point availability is overtaken by demand for charging.
I have had three EVs the current model is Zoe GT LINE i have found the EV to be amazing and ticked all my boxes. I agree the rapid charge stations are hit and miss! Although the new chargers being installed on the motorways are great. The trouble is at 79ppkwh is too much to pay! I can charge at work for 29p. At home i have installed a plug socket outside on its own circuit, but will have a 7kw charger installed soon. So with Octopus 7.5p When i first started in 2014 i had a free charger installed on my home and solar panels, which was better but we sold that and moved into a retirement flat. I also had 12 months free rapid charge in Bradford for a year which was great!
I've had 2 EVs, both charged from home, the second off solar that gets feed in tariff, so I got paid to drive in Summer. Agreed public charging sucks, but it is improving. My last EV was a Tesla and that was fine for long trips if a bit expensive. Don't have one at the moment but that will be sorted very soon. In about 4, maybe 5 years public charging will be fine. In the mean time get an EV and keep a diesel or petrol car for the odd long trip or just rent one when you need it. Or better still rent a Tesla.
The government says it's aiming for net zero which I personally feel is folly but in any case I'm not sure whether it should be government or the manufacturers who pay for the network (Tesla do it very well). Utility costs even for home charging have shot up, much more than price of petrol or diesel. Then take into account the huge tax levied on petrol and diesel which will move over to EV eventually and the economics don't look great. When governments try and convince us to do something but don't seem to do their bit I think it's wise to sit tight. Maybe they already know that another technology will replace EV soon.
@@twominutesturkish6664 how can it be useful if there’s video after video from April all saying the same thing. Not only this channel, but several others have been creating a frenzy of house market crash videos so be aware of the hysteria. Also, if caught up in the hysteria, take a step back and be aware of any confirmation bias.
Good video and mirrors exactly what I tell people. We have had at least one EV since 2016 (i3 then a Zoe previously). Currently we have two EVs Tesla Model 3 LR and Volvo C40. Both similar real world 220 to 260 mile range. Both are salary sacrifice cars and in 18 months I plan to retire and both cars go back. Then I will need to buy cars with no BIK perks. Plan is to get one EV for local trips, something like a used E-Niro. Then for longer trips go back to ICE, something like an A6 Avant. We will do much more European touring when I retire and while driving a Tesla across Europe has been largely OK, it’s not completely pain free and I’d rather have the lower hassle of a diesel cruiser in retirement.
Yes, but the speed of charging shouldn’t make any difference to the Unit price. In fact, faster chargers should be cheaper than slow charging as you’re taking less time and allowing others to charge.
An EV sounds like a nightmare for someone like me, who's self employeed and lives in a condo (I can't have a home charger). I don't have time to goof off and find a public charger, that works.
I think the list of the top 10 cars for largest depreciation, ALL being EV'S, says it all. I would not buy second hand. Any damage, however minor, can cause the battery pack to become a volcano.
So how could you be so sure a second hand ICE car you might buy, didn't have potential safety issues? It's not like ICE cars never used to go wrong.....
@@Brian-om2hh An EV fire cannot be extinguished. Frightening, especially if parked in an integral garage. Anyway, the depreciation acts like a poll. People don't want to buy them.
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Are all EV's exactly the same ?
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Even at Tesla supercharger stations, at temperatures below zero Fahrenheit, charging rates can decline by 80%, resulting in long lines and many cars being towed. This is what happened in the Chicago metro area recently.
@@DUCKSAREEVILLLLLLLL so are you pointing out an obvious problem that needs to be rectified if ev's are to make headway ?
@@waynefergusson9987 That's actually one of the minor problems with EVs. Other reasons are that so much of their value is tied up in the battery, and infrastructure will never be sufficient for the increasing percentage of people living in multi-residential housing. However, the main reason is that there is no net benefit to the $trillions required by all involved to switch to EVs. We'd be better off taking the $7500 handed to relatively wealthy EV owners and giving it to those willing to bike or walk to work. We could even give $5,000/year to those willing to do so to incentivize cities to become more amenable to bikes and walking. Even Americans make tourist destinations of places without cars, like Mackinac Island in Michigan, not to mention the obvious health benefits. I'm all for conserving things. How about you?
I live in a flat and so have no hope of charging at home. So many people live in flats and terraces with no drives, so would struggle to charge at home. Therefore, the cost of charging in public is the cost I consider to be the cost of an EV, so therefore it makes sense to listen to the articles telling me about the cost of EV ownership. EV ownership is just not practical for many people who don't have a house with a drive. Houses with drives are getting harder to find if your house budget is on the lower end.
You can't fill up with petrol at home either, but you're ok with a petrol car?
@@Brian-om2hh yeah because when I drive to a fuel station I spend less than 5 minutes at a pump to fill up. Currently charging EVs takes a lot longer than filling up a car and it is more expensive than being able to charge at home, so it's a no brainier for me
@@daisywarwick9444 _yeah because when I drive to a fuel station I spend less than 5 minutes at a pump to fill up._
Quite right, I'm in the same boat - Brian seems to be clueless on this...
@@Brian-om2hh Well, you can, if you have petrol cans at home.. However, you don't need to fill up with petrol each day, so the time spent at a fuel statsion, is way less compared to the time spent charging (for all those, who simply CAN'T charge at home) *in my case, I usually fill up my Prius once or twice a month..
@@Brian-om2hh Flat dweller here too, the infrastructure required to equip a block of say 24 flats with a SECURE private individual charging system would be nothing short of astronomical even if it was possible to have such a system. Home charging takes much longer to recharge the EV battery fully compared to public chargers so has to be done overnight. Home chargers around 7Kw compared to public chargers which are generally 20Kw to more than 100Kw. Flat dwellers would have to go the time consuming and more expensive route of public recharging if forced into EV ownership. Same applies to people living in terraced housing with on street parking.
The government has failed at deploying public chargers, but then they’ve failed at everything for the last 15 years.
But the majority of public charging isn't being installed by the Government, it is private enterprise who are installing it. The Government didn't pay for petrol stations either......
@@Brian-om2hhBut they totally failed to regulate it.
15 years. Try 80.
@@robertjones2053 This kingdom flourished when Blair was in power, what don't you understand?
It shouldn’t be up to taxpayers to fund ev owners dreams
It seems most ev owners don‘t choose a car based on their lifestyle, they choose an ev and adjust their lifestyle to the car. Which is exactly what 'they' want.
ironically 'they' want you to keep using gas because then you depend on them unlike with electricity. The failings hes speaking of are very avoidable, but are not, and thats deliberate. 'they' dont actually want you to drive electric.
Also, most EV owner choose an EV because it fits their lifestyle. They have a home and can charge there and they dont drive several hundred miles a day. It's rather you who chooses an ICE vehicle because of the perceived convenience of just 5min at the pump. You are still massively dependent on global politics and economics, which you would be less of, if you had the means to generate your own power source. Again, thats why they dont want you to drive electric
Yeah, planning my day-long journey just to find charging points hoping there is one vacant charge point is gonna be a headache.
@@gamtax absolutely
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@@fetB You‘re very confused, none of what you say makes sense. How are you less depedent on them when you have to rely on the grid for power supply, power you can‘t store. Any combustible is mobile and storable, ready for use.
On a trip to the West Country a 40 minute stop for a bite to eat and a recharge sounds okay, but obviously that depends on a charger being available. Sometimes you’ll have to queue for a couple of hours before you can get plugged in.
Driving two Tesla EVs since 2017, the maximum time I had to cue is 18 minutes. That includes two 1000+ mile road trips and lots of smaller ones too. But, if you have to depend on non-Tesla fast chargers, wait time could approach an hour at congested chargers.
@@hjkr7528 To achieve a 20 min stop & charge, you need the Tesla charging network. Wait until Tesla opens their equipment to your brand. The other brands are not reliable enough.
In 30years of driving I’ve never waited for a fuel bowser ever
@@spannaspinna In 50+ years of driving, my eyes were opened when test driving an EV about 7 years ago. It is so much more fun to drive. We’ve already bought 4 and waiting for #5 to arrive by end of year. We’ll never go back to ICE.
@@johnpoldo8817 Great, share your wealth so everyone in the real world can too...
I understand the technology perfectly. I have two boats which I've converted from ICE to multiple DC electric motors. However, these use conventional batteries (don't need to worry about weight). These are charged by solar when not in use so have a long charging period (don't use them everyday and barely at all in the winter).
From that technical stance, I have no issue with EVs. I do have a problem with the lithium based batteries. These are extremely expensive and obviously constitute a high percentage of the cost of the vehicle. Daily use will reduce the efficiency in charging cycles and they'll need to be replaced at 6 to 10 years. That will be more than the vehicles value in that period.
If there was a battery exchange process perhaps that would alleviate the problem.
On batteries, these contain many "rare" elements that require deep mining with conventional techniques involving diesel equipment. They're not going to be emission free until a considerable mileage of some 50-70K miles. At which point battery replacement will be required adding to emissions again.
If a battery is damaged, if there is fire or not, then replacement, again, leads to further emissions or scrapping the vehicle.
Given that EVs are still a small percentage of road vehicles and you've pointed out the public charging issues, then doubling the number or even the 50% that government wants will make the situation worse.
The whole 2030-2035-2050 goals are not going to work until alternative cheaper batteries and a full infrastructure is in place. Windmills and solar are not going to do that unless there is massive investment made in power provision at load source.
On the subject of fire, yes ICE cars do it too, EVs with lithium cells are difficult to extinguish but ICE cars are a known quantity.
I've noted that some insurance companies are refusing to insure EVs because of this and the surrounding damage caused.
The whole industry needs to be developed properly and not rushed. Government and climate change evangelists are doing just that, rushing for flawed reasoning.
@justthink5854 is not thinking. Just spewing.
There is nothing wrong with internal combustion engines.they are quite honestly amazing!
Exactly!! It’s just another government scam to get everyone to buy a electric car
They waste a lot of energy due to the make up burning fuel.An EV motor has far less part is cooled by Ethelyn Glycol which also cools the battery.Also the muck what leaves the exhaust isn't beneficial to children with their small longs.Spend some time in a busy street in any town and smell the fumes.Remember how VW had to cheat to pretend their engines were clean? It is time to move on like we did from horses to cars.Unless we go back to the horse which maybe bettter for the majority of us paul.
I live in Canada. There are charging issues similar to what you have explained. It is best to own an EV for local commutes. If going on a long trip it is best to plan very well the charging stops. The charging infrastructure is sort of acceptable in Quebec and Ontario, but in the rest of Canada charging along the highways can have issues. Many EV owners, if they want to take a long trip they lease a rental car for the trip, or they own a second vehicle for long trips.
For people who live in apartment buildings, and have to park in an area where they cannot have a charger this becomes a serious and annoying issue. I tell people to only buy an EV if they have a guaranteed place where they can charge their EV. If not a better compromise is to get a plug in type hybrid. This can run on battery only, if you can have a place to charge it.
As for myself I will not buy an EV. I would have to be forced to buy one.
So in other words if you don't exclusively drive locally you have to own 2 cars. This whole EV agenda is a huge scam.
Everything about EVS is horrifying. From toxic battery metals to windows and doors that don't open with the car burning at 4000 degrees with your family inside.
Same here. Forced.
@@markmiller8903
I've driven EVs and have family members who have them. It is possible to open the doors if the battery system is dead.
I have a gasoline SUV and the doors are electronic. There is a manual latch to allow for opening the doors if the electrical was to go dead.
There is one popular EV on the market that has quality issues when it comes to the finishing and how the panels fit together when compared to the others. In this one if the battery goes dead there is also a procedure to open the doors quickly. Instead of a receded lever under the inside handle you have to life off a cover plate near to the door lock. Inside is the lever to move. If the door is opened this way on this type of vehicle the door trim will require service because the window will not properly go down to clear the trim. It is a dumb design.
When owning any type of vehicle it is important you know how to get out of it fast in case of an emergency. Most people don't properly learn their vehicle.
As for EV driving, if you have a good type of model they are terrific to drive. The charging is the issue for most people. EVs are best for local commutes and using your own charger at home.
When ever would you even have to consider renting a car for a long journey when you have a perfectly good car yourself.... It concerns me that people are even considering this from all the media they are fed... keep posting the truth
Your description of the issues faced when using public chargers was absolutely spot on! I had my first experience of public charging recently - it wasn't great! Despite doing all the things you described, such as planning stops along the route, downloading apps in advance etc. I was not prepared for the number of chargers either out of use, or that would not accept my payment cards (including a dedicated EV charge card with funds pre-loaded!) meaning I had to download different apps and agree to funds being 'blocked' on my account before I could start charging. Not to mention the aggressive behaviour of some other EV drivers in competition over the chargers, and were not prepared to take their turn. On a positive note, I found that avoiding motorway services made for a better experience - it seemed to me that if I was prepared to drive a mile or two off the motorway to charge I paid less and charge points were more readily available. I am better prepared now for my next big trip. I have a home charger but if I was not able to have this, I would not consider an EV. The overnight cheaper tariff makes charging very inexpensive and convenient.
Just wait until Karen plugs in her EV at the charging station and goes shopping......you know that will be a thing without a doubt.
@@msgmak1379 It already is in the city centers. They live in apartments down the block so they just leave them there until their next trip, which could be a week or 2 later. There is no use case where EV are superior, despite what a lot of people keep trying to push in the comments.
"very inexpensive" - except they are already bringing in per-mile road tax, and if they base it on weight... your EV is heavy.
I think the term 'business' is quite key, not all can claim for an EV, and when the business rates and subsidies become less and less. The cost is the biggest hurdle and the recent concern is rising insurance costs and the potential of home insurance premiums going up for home charging. I'm still on the fence and have done the maths several times and currently it's a huge cost for us to swap. My car usage scheme with my government job doesn't include EVs on their current mileage claim form, so it would be 100% my cost, and the leasing or financing would be several thousands of pounds more per year. So in effect I would be giving myself a pay cut. A diesel is still the most efficient and affordable route for us. But a great video that was a balanced account and did answer many of the issues that we have. Thanks for your time making this video.
I recently visited the UK where I stayed in an old Victorian town, Cleveland. All the big old Victorian houses have been converted into flats and their gardens concreted over for parking. The roads too were completely full of parked cars all day long. How are all these drivers going to charge their vehicles? If you live in a block of flats in London how will the necessary infrastructure be provided?
It won’t that’s the thing. But then they won’t be able to afford to buy an ev in the first place.
@@jlrguy2702 ...and that is the aim of the current western governments following "their plan". To cut off the people from mobility, from personal freedom and self-determination. And from health. The EMF (electro-magnetic-fields) are health damaging.
The only people who can afford to buy a £50,000 car are nearly all house owners who can charge at home. Less well off will always have to use public chargers and buy second hand electric cars with dodgy batteries.
Absolutely, total bull for the rest of us.
Home charging won’t always be cheap… Soon Electricity used for car charging will be taxed at the same rate as petrol. A smart meter can recognise when a car is charging and a higher rate for electricity will be charged … Why do you think the electricity companies are always pushing smart meters?!!
How they will recognise if I charge my car or I use my kettle or my tumble dryer? If they tax it I will put solar panels and a battery to charge for free.
The government will not accept less taxes. They always want more money. If enough people are driving EV's they WILL put higher taxes on electricity. This is how it always goes.
In 1976 I bought a Ford Cortina Mk3 it cost £1,575 I drove it every day for 25 years, then bought a Volvo 240 for £600, used it for 4 years, then a 1992 Ford Fiesta Mk3 for £400, used it for 15 years and now have a 1999 Nissan Micra that cost £1,000 including fully serviced with New MOT so total cost of cars for 44 years of daily driving only £3, 575, (The Cortina and Fiesta I still own) and their values have risen to more than the cost of the £50,000 EV, now that is sensible and cost effective motoring. as I know the EV battery will not last 25 years, and the EV will not be worth £80,000 even if it survived till it was 50 years old, and had around 4 new battery packs fitted at a cost of around £30,000 plus each time?, realistically an EV will be scrapped once the battery pack gives up, meaning far more pollution and resources used to produced a replacement vehicle, my Fiesta engine 1.3cc petrol, was professionally rebuilt when I bought it, costing only £1,200 a hell of a lot cheaper than a new EV battery pack. true I pay more for petrol than currently EV owners do for Electricity, but watch the price on that sky rocket if EV's are everywhere, it wont be just 70p then, I remember back in 1974 petrol was only 50p a Gallon, and look at the price now. for only a liter.almost 3 times as much, as the ! gallon cost.
Rebuilding engine for a Porsche Cayman (due to bore scoring) cost about the same as a new battery for a EV (30.000 $€£), and then you get a engine that uses less fuel and has more power then the original and will last maybe 20 - 30 years and more.
Apparently insurance is about to become a serious issue in EV ownership, damage to the battery is usually a write off.
Insurance...I am buying a 1 year old Zoe. The insurance is the same as my existing Smart. Friends Rangerover car engine has just completely ate itself and the insurance company has written it off.
My EV insurance is less than my ICE car was.
We'll see about that. It takes a while for actuarial tables to get made.
Our 2018 Tesla Model X cost seven times as much as the 2012 Honda Civic that it replaced. Yet, our insurance went down! This is because we received a green incentive from our insurance company. What a pleasant surprise that was!
Gas is the new dinosaur. Open your eyes, driverless EVs vehicles can charge without help.
Accidents will drop way down. But the uneducated will still be scratching their heads.
I’m a service engineer who’s doing 30,000 miles a year in a EV. We lose staff due to the company electric fleet policy. I charge for over 5 hours a week. I’ve had a 7 hour round trip take 13.5 hours due to broken chargers and waiting for busy chargers. I only charge on the public network and it’s mostly 79p a kilowatt for the places I have to charge. I’m praying I’ve got an EV with a faulty battery that catches on fire and smoulders onto the road.
Yeah makes sense for guys who can easily charge overnight to work for that company.
@@edc1569not if you work on the road man
What is more combustible to a naked flame, petrol or batteries?
@@gavinbroughtonYou can put a petrol fire out!
@@davidowen2859 you can put an electric fire out too. It takes a bit longer only if the fire brigade don't have the right equipment. It's just not a reason for not having electric cars. It's happened anyway whether you like it or not. The tipping points already happened.
Meanwhile in the last month there have been in excess of 1500 public chargers, including loads of motorway services getting huge upgrades and increased numbers.
I had a family friend who died through tiredness. I ALWAYS stop after 2 hours on long trips. I usually stop for about 20 minutes, so changing that to 30 minutes won’t kill me.
It's what the highway code recommends, 15 mins every 2 hours. But an EV will cope with 30 mins every 4 hours if it's a fast charging model . 20 mins every 2 hours would be a doddle for most EVs.
I doubt they died of tiredness, that takes months of no sleep. I think you mean they got into an accident that was caused by tiredness?
Here in Norway 2 hours is a short trip... Long trip is 6 to 12 hours, 6 hours I usually do with no stop at all. And longer trips will have stops for fuel and food . 20 min rest every 2 hours will make getting somewhere take to long...
@@a64738 I’m in Australia, so we have even longer trips. My friend was doing a 12 hour drive. Better to arrive late than not at all.
@@a64738 well she wouldn’t have driven through a Give Way sign onto a 110km/h road if she wasn’t tired - so yeah, I think my claim stands.
Bought a Tesla Model 3 Long range 3 years ago, and have done roughly the same mileage. Charge at home overnight for almost all journeys. When we need to charge on route the car guides us to the charger, we plug in, charge and go. No cards, no passwords, easy! 6 months ago we changed our 2nd car to a model Y. No servicing bills, "fill the tank" for a fiver at home, and if we need to charge away it's still under £30 for a full charge.Wouldn't go back to ICE cars now. I appreciate this would not suit everybody, but it works for us!
Clickybaity title considering you yourself would happily buy another electric car, but generally a fair an interesting insight into electric car ownership. I leased a BMW i3 as my first electric car through my business (made a lot of sense in terms of taxes as you say). Great car but i found the charging infrastructure on long journey's to be dire and so I did the obvious thing... and swapped it out for a Tesla Model 3. Completely different world. I drove from Newcastle to Cornwall without a single issue this year, no Zap Map, no planning even, just let Tesla and their amazing chargers do the job. The electricity is even generally cheaper on Superchargers than at non-Tesla rapid chargers. So my question to you is, why didn't you get a Tesla? Polstar is a very fine car but the charging infrastructure and experience is just leagues better in a Tesla and I wouldn't go back.
Risk of EV fire, long charge time, expensive insurance, & crazy low resale value would stop most people from buying one... not to mention they are anything but reliable just check all the new EV reviews with tons of problems!
Charger network - one big reason to get a Tesla (if you are going to get an EV...) . Full use of their supercharger network. They got it right in this regard - put the infrastructure in to support the car/users
They just forgot the east from Great Yarmouth all the way up.
Tesla's charger network might be the best, but from what I can gather their drive motor battery packs can't be repaired. So as long as you don't have any issue with the battery, especially when the warranty period comes to an end you'll be fine. But if something does happen and the battery needs to be scrapped along with the whole car probably, it's going to set you way further behind financially than if you bought an economical ICE vehicle and paid for fuel and scheduled maintenance.
Why buy a EV?
Here is the real answer. Have two vehicles. One an an Ev for around the town and one an ICE for long distance. Now, you could combine them into a hybrid!.
I've suffered from range anxiety in a petrol car. I remember it clearly it was 1983.
LOL I always have a petrol tin in boot
@ashwayn that means the range u can get from your boot is larger than a lot of electric cars total range🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yes but you no there is a petrol station fairly near and working that's a one off thing not like ev no chargers about
I had range anxiety once when I was 18 years old, not long passed my test. I put diesel in my mums petrol car. I got about half a mile and broke down. 😧
@@nottmfunguy That's not anxiety, that's stupidity ! 😂
You seem to have your assessment backwards. Given that the energy to charge an EV costs much less than the gas to fuel an ICE car, the more you drive, the more economic sense it makes to get an EV. These days, there are a good number of folks who find that their entire car payment for an EV is covered by their fuel savings. Your frustrations with charging are entirely owed to the fact that you did not buy a Tesla. There really are three basic types of cars: ICE cars, Teslas, and all other electric/hybrid cars. The driving experience with these three types of cars is completely different.
Re home charging, on a domestic supply you typically put 10% more energy in the battery than you get out due to heat loss the higher power public chargers don’t have this issue. In the USA now it is typical for home insurers to specify that your EV must be parked and charged at least 50ft away from any buildings or other vehicles due to the number of houses that have suffered damage when the BEV has caught fire. Food for thought.
I am on my 5th EV since 2013 and have covered 130,000 miles pretty much trouble free and at a fraction of the cost of my previous ICE vehicles. The driving experience is sublime and I would highly recommend. Would never go back to ICE.
Thanks for this review, well balanced. We have both petrol and electric and charge our EV from a 3pin at home. Its perfect for 95% of our needs. It's a company car and I think the only sensible way to have one at the moment.
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I never bought a new car in my life. My cars were between 250 € till maximum 6,000 €. When I consider the price of a new EV which can go easily to 50,000 € or pounds. At the moment I can’t afford an EV and will not buy one.
I don't have a cell phone, would I be out of luck owning an EV?
Yes. If the card reader is broken, the cell phone app is the only way to activate the charger
Here in Norway it is impossible to charge EV`s without a smart phone (and I assume it must have internet connection also on the phone).
Great video, honest and realistic views. I’ve had mine for 3 years also - and couldn’t have said it better myself. Can’t wait to get rid.
I have an MG4 Trophy and just love it. Free charge from solar panels cheap charging overnight and a really great drive. I will never go back to an ICE car
Charging at home, and charging for free are something that never occurs to people who berate EVs.
Every time I pass a petrol station they are queueing up. Takes me 20 seconds to "charge" my car, because I plug it in and do something that I actually want to do. I never wanted to go to a petrol station, but I had to, and I had to stand out in all weathers, in diesel soaked forecourts and got ripped off for doing so. Oct 2023 £1.55/litre that's 15p per mile at 50mpg, EV at home 2p per mile.
Have been driving an ev for 2.5 years and loving it.
My biggest issue I had here was me not putting the cable in fully donut didn't start charging, happened twice I think.😂
But here in the Netherlands I have 4 public chargers in walking distance. Last Wednesday visiting relatives Inhaf the choice of 3 chargers in around 150 meters.
Cost of public charger here in the street is 25c per kWh.
I'm not going to bother putting in a charger at home although I have 28 solar panels on my roof.
It's all about infrastructure. The netherlands have 30% of all the chargers in Europa.
Went to south of France 1300 km a few times without trouble every 2.5 hours we needed to let the dogs stretch their legs and the time we walked with the dogs and had a coffee (15 minutes) the car was charged again for more then enough for the next 2.5 or 3 hours.
Next car will be petrol again nonetheless. We could private lease this car for ffing cheap (Kona 64kwh for 300€ a month), but I refuse to spend more then 6 to 8k on a car and the 2nd hand EV's don't exist for that money.
So probably back to a nice Saab again.😊
Just jumped over from a Sun online article expecting an EV-hating video aligned with their weird agenda. What I find is a well-rounded accurate review. Well done Sun Online you've just played yourself LOL
You are in the UK. In the US I worry about insurance, cost of minor repairs, cost of battery damage, cost of the car including depreciation and erratic resale value. Worry about flooding, worry about power loss due to storms. Quality issues such as rattles, general quality as compared to high end ICE (Lexus, Toyota). Tire wear, spare tire. Fire including setting my house on fire. Insurance?
Don't confuse EV vehicles with either Teslas or with the UK government's failure of EV chargers.
Tesla super chargers are becoming the standard in the US and hopefully they will step up in the UK deploying more that every EV car will use.
SORRY BUT: Tesla Superchargers are NOT the standard in the US, the Tesla CONNECTOR is becoming the standard plug - other charge providers will be able to make their chargers with the Tesla Plug (NACS). Moving everyone over to the same plug will not sort out the issues with charging either here or in the US.
The issue is, and this has been well documented by home charge provider Myenergi, that the car manufacturers are not implementing the standards correctly. Indeed TESLA weren't implementing the standards correctly, and it's the standards that mean that charging works all the time.
Tesla had the forethought to make a car AND a charging network that THEY controlled. This had the advantage that they got all the intel on why their chargers weren't working and quickly sorted it out - which was doubly helped by them having over the air updates to their cars and their chargers.
BTW the NACS plug will probably never become the standard on this side of the Atlantic - the EU mandated CCS2 as the standard in Europe for the exact same reason the NACS will be the de-facto North American standard.
@@terryjimfletcher it doesn't surprise me that the standard for EU UK and US will be different, just look at the plugs in our homes for everything! NACS will be the US standard though. Tesla super chargers will become the US network as every Electrify America charger breaks.
Thank you for this. As an EV owner with 30KW I agree with your comments about range anxiety. But you have missed a point which has been painful. When you buta gallon of juice, the pump is under cover. Most chargers are out around the back (somewhere?) and when its raining and in the dark very trying to use especially if you don't belong to that chargers club and there is no WiFi signal. Even as a guest, each club has its own order of getting a charge. Now put the card reader nice and low so a child can use it, cover it with rain drops and the lower the reader, the higher your temper will rise. You will be lucky to start a charge within 3 minutes, while the rain runs down your neck. Another one to watch out for is the hotel chargers. You need to sign in at reception else you will get a bill. Then if the charger is only 22Kw (many are just 7) you will have to go out at 2 in the morning and move the car else get an over-stay penalty.
You must have made this video some time ago, as you can now pay 79p/kw. If in the Torbay area, the only Chademo is at Lidl where the charge can often be limited because of lack of power to the charger and the queue..............? I have a friend who is mad on money. He works out the cost of every KW he buys. He even tried to get his wife to dry her hair at 2 in the morning. He found that the cheap night charging rate with a more expensive day rate made the tariff he was on, more expensive.
Interesting view point, we started using EV's back in Nov 2018 a Nissan Leaf 24kWh, with about 84% SOC, which gave about 20kWh of useable energy to drive with. That's 2 thirds less than you advise people, and at a time when chargers were even less easy to find out between charging points. We live in mid Wales, and when we started out, only one 50kw charger existed at the beach in mid Wales. So in that time frame we have added 50k miles to the clock, been down south 5 fives 500 mile round trip. Plus we been to Germany 4 times in this car, driving from mid Wales to Munster via an overnight ferry from Harwich to the Hook of Holland a trip that would take a day and half to complete and cover 1,080 miles. Not once have we run out, and the problem with chargers has been minimal in our experience. Only once did I experience range anxiety, and that was because I miss calculated at the last charger and left too soon. So if at the age of 63 can do it, with a pritty basic education, I am sure most all others can with the right can do attitude.
Well done sir
500 miles in a 24kwh Nissan leaf, with a max real world range of about 90 miles?
Never mind Germany, with around 600 miles one way.
A change in driving, I wouldn’t even use a Nissan leaf as a daily driver, never mind one with diminished range.
I drive over 100 miles a day.
I’ll leave that one with you..
Do you believe that people have common sense?
Do you believe that people can add, divide or multiply two numbers?
I have a BMW i3, I did 700 miles in Scotland in one freezing day, I charged 7 times and I didn't have a problem. Never had any range anxiety.
My car didn't loose any value because I bought it used (4 yo with 16k miles) at 1/4th of the price that had new and I can sell it now (two years later) at the same price.
At 95% of the time I charge at 9p at home. I make almost 4m/Kwh so it costs me 2.25p/mile, when my old diesel was at 15p. I make 5k every year, so I save £600 from fuel and at least £200 for service.
A used refurbished battery costs right now 4-6000 pounds but my battery is still at 94% of it's health. I can pay a battery from what I saved from fuel every 4-6 years, (they pay you for the old battery) or they refurbish your old battery if you want to leave it there for 2-4 weeks.
You know what? I don't regret it, I love my golf cart.
@@chrishar110 I think you talk out of your ass, 2yrs ago you couldn't pick a 4yro i3 up for 1/4 price, especially not with 16k miles, you can't even pick up a 4yro I3 now for 1/4 the price.
Your looking at 4-6k for a used battery not a refurbished battery, so please check your facts.
I'll agree charging at home is cheaper than any ICE car on the road, but not when using public charging.
I'm glad you only do 5k miles a year, I do 35k miles a year and don't have hours of time to wait charging it up on the way. 7x charges on a 700 miles road trip, your off your trolly.
By the way I have a Tesla MY 2023 plate, but I gave it to my Mrs after figureing with my mileage in 4 years it will be worthless.
So now in the week for work I stick to my X-trail that does 830 miles on one tank that cost me £85 to fill, it also won't break the bank if it needs a new engine not that it will when serviced as the engine's good for 300-400k miles.
@@jlrguy2702 I got my i3 for £13k. I am talking for a used battery that was checked and had replaced any faulty cells (that's what I mean refurbished) for 4000 the 32Kwh and 6000 for the 42Kwh.
This video is brilliant. Thank you. It’s really helped. I have been really stressed out regarding if to buy an EV . I am going to be leasing one at a fantastic price for on a personal lease. It’s coming in June. Such a premium brand I jumped on the deal as this will be my only opportunity to get into such a fantastic car. It is a 70kw battery and will give me 215-240 realistic range . I will be getting home charger too . We don’t do lots of miles . Only at weekend may branch out with kids but not 100s of miles. If we do then like you say we will just top up on the way. It will be out first EV so we was really confused . As lots of negative comments regarding range and this and that.
Teslas charging network in the UK is excellent. They are over 99 percent reliable. I plug in and it charges automatically. There's great availability of chargers. It was 43p per kWh to charge yesterday. I have no range anxiety. The car navigates itself to charge points on any journey.
EV = AV. Anxiety Vehicle
There are 1,841Tesla supercharge stations in the U.S. with California having the most with 363. and seeing that the U.K. is 1.7 times smaller than California this would mean that the equivalent superchargers in the UK would be around 242. At present there is about 115,000 gas stations in the U.S. However, at these supercharge stations their charging output is reduced when more than one vehicle is charging so it takes longer. If all petrol stations reverted to superchargers, most would be turned off since the load would exceed the grid capacity very quickly. The average UK house consumes around 3500 kWh per year, these superchargers dish out up to 250kWh per charge which means that charging 42 Teslas at the same time with an average charging time of 15 minutes uses up the amount of energy of the average household in the UK in one year. There are about 30 million cars on British roads, imagine what would happen if they decided to charge their cars at the same time and even if restrictions are introduced at hourly times it would still mean that over 1.3 million cars charging per hour is the equivalent consumption of 30,000 houses in one year and that is just for one hour of charging. But there are also around 7 million commercial vehicles and some of their batteries are significantly bigger. When are people going to realise that EVs will be unsustainable when a saturation point is reached, you can work out how many EVs would do this, it's not very large.
Maybe so but in the grand scheme of things if that's all you had then it's not suitable for many
Good and fair video.
Here on Norway, my experience with the range drop is a lot more severe than in the UK. In the ultra cold last winter, I experienced range drops to below 50% advertised range. Heating, reduced battery performance, and ice corrugated roads took their toll. Oddly enough, my gasoline hybrid Volvo faced just about a 5%-7% increased fuel consumption. The fact that IC-engines (in steady state) are more efficient in cold air and that you can just dump the engine heat into the passenger compartment makes them really ideal for winter use.
You must also remember that the battery on EV`s HAVE to be heated up to more then +0c to be charged, that can take a lot of electricity to do, so much that if you try to charge it over night at a 16A outlet your car might not be charged at all because all the energy goes to heat up the battery.
@@a64738 We live in Norway and often charge our smaller EV outside at temperatures below -16 degrees. The battery will charge but the process is indeed lossy. You lose up to 20% of the energy compared to summer.
The range loss in winter is absolutely horrific in winter and cannot be emphasized enough IMO. It can be that you reach
The public charger network is considerably better than it was back when I bought back in 2021. There is far more availability and that is increasing by 100's of chargers monthly and it is far more reliable than it was.
Yes. We're basically 10 years into mass EV production, so there is a way to go. I can't imagine the petrol station infrastructure was too clever 10 years after the introduction of the motor car either. Everything has to start somewhere.
@@hjkr7528 according to the SMMT sales of BEVs are 27.5% up over the sales last year. 286,846 sales so far this year.
.....you lost me at "plan a long journey" WHY, now i just stop at a petrol station, 5mins 500 miles, no plan needed...
I don't understand why you can't just pay with your debit or credit card instead of using a different app for each vehicle charger.
Exactly - so why should people have to use their phone (if they have one) just to fill up. Crazy
It is all by design.
Instavolt used to allow that. May have changed as its been a while but they were brought by a dirty oil company and the prices were jacked up. (probably to deter people buying EVs)
It's because dirty oil owns these companies and they wanna deter people from buying an EV by making charging in public shitty.
You can pay for gas by putting in your debit card and inputting the pin... Why not electricity?
You should be able to put in exactly how many kwh or moneywise you wanna buy too before it starts.
My simple way to work was 380 km about 240 miles and in winter times the temperature may plummet to -26 Degrees Celsius, I was never in this favourable position where my work place was only 25 km / 16 miles away. For me an EV is a pain in the but. With my old diesel which I bought for 2,500 € I have a range of 1,000 miles if I drive with truck velocity on the motorway, so why would I spend a fortune for an EV ?
Do you make 5-6 hours every day to go to work and return? That's £60-70 for fuel every day. Why do you work if you have to spend so much time and money? I think that you lie or you are crazy.
Base price of a polestar 2 is £45k and it is now more efficient with a bigger range. Agreed 100% with your analysis though.
wait 2yrs and you'll get one for £5.00
@@lordkered the car will be worth zero but you may get the £5 for the furry dice
£45000, lol
EVs have higher initial cost, insurance costs, higher tire costs, after 8-10 years expect $10k-$25k battery replacement. Always replace them, before the battery warranty runs out.
lol @ the bird on the roof - but that aside - this is a great real life review.
I always thought home charging would be my main source of charging if I ever bought an EV but I know how life works.
Its the one time you do a long trip that something will go wrong...
We're probably typical, and have done 4 long trips without an issue as the key is planning, We went to a 12 bay site AND away from peak times. This will become less important as more of these superhubs (see Gridserve's offering) are built.
I dont understand why most people would have an ev. Maybe people who live near London and want to avoid congestion charge. Or wealthy people who want an extra car. Otherwise its pointless and not greener.
A very useful and fair review, thanks Darren. I like the look of the Polestar and my neighbour has just got one. Once I’ve got a charger at home I’d consider one for our local use. Very happy to keep our Volvo XC60 diesel for long journeys.
I had the same idea and initially kept my ICE diesel but after 10 months and less than 500 miles sold it, now thinking of getting a Tesla (currently have the MG4 standard range) and a second short range for the other half
Just keep the diesel why pay that much for using short journeys and going into town silly
I'd go for a Polestar over a Tesla. The Polestar began as a Volvo concept car, and Polestar took it over, developed it and produced it. Polestar has lots of Volvo design elements, particularly the seats. You won't find better seats in any other car.
@@Brian-om2hh agreed, the Volvo seats are amazing 💺
cheers for the vid, was never sure on a ev. hoping to get one through my work and always wanted to be sure on charge more than anything. Would the charge still be good if done through 3 pin?
3 pin is about 10 miles per hour. Home charger twice that speed.
How's your power grid doing? Any idea what will happen when the majority of car owners own an EV? People come home and start charging around the same time, compounding on the already existing peak hours.
At least it will force a government into implementing regulation. On the other hand, you will only be allowed to charge outside of peak hours.
You charge at night on cheap rate tariff. The grid can cope. They currently have to shut down a lot of generation which you and I have to pay for. EV's make the grid much more efficient.
If you have a place you can charge from home and your daily driving is such that charging from home can cover over 90% of your charging needs then an EV can be a good choice. Here in the U.S. we have the same problem with public charging stations. The government needs to mandate that all chargers take credit or debit and limit the amount usage fees for using them. They also need make the chargers more reliable. They also need to mandate that all chargers have an auxiliary charge cable port for EV owners who have their own charging cables. EV owners would by the charging cable that best suits their EV. My EV can only charge a maximum of 50 kW. So my cable could be thinner and longer. This would make it easier for me for the cable to reach no matter the layout. It also mean it wouldn't matter the connector type as my cable fits my EV. It also mean that even if the chargers cable was broken or had been stolen I still be able to use the charger with my cable. It also allow more than one person to use the same charger. Thus increasing the number of available chargers.
Two concerns that continue to put me off. One is battery integrity - even a relatively minor "clunk" and the battery has a big question mark hanging over it. Another is battery degradation - even if there are several years before it really starts to bite. If you fully make the most of your sporty EV, with lots of fast acceleration and fast charging, it will take its toll on the battery and the consequences will be: lower power (for driving and longer charging), less capacity (range) and greater losses (cost per mile). These are not definiite stoppers, but they are complications I'm happy to keep away from.
If you rev your engine at 6000 rpm all day you will need to replace it much faster. Does it make a point?
@@chrishar110 The point is that the battery is the key component and so many things cause it to degrade or call into question its integrity.
An EV driver might use a 100kW charger for 1/2 hr recharge mid-journey, but high power transfers degrade the battery whether charging or in motion. It takes 5 minute to refuel an ICE car and there is no impact on degradation.
I can go over a speed bump on an ICE car and could be unlucky to suffer some minor damage. With an EV, even a minor scrape or bump can damages a cell, and it could be catastrophic. You have little or no idea until it happens.
I accept EVs save inner city emissions and this is a good thing for people who travel a lot in built-up areas. But that's not me, and I can only see big drawbacks to an EV which means I'm not a willing buyer.
@@gufpott I had a car that blown the engine on 5k miles. Does it happen every day? Does it happen to everyone? How often can it happen? If I had to think like that I wouldn't walk on the road because somebody drove off the road and hit a pedestrian.
I am happy with my EV, my battery is still on 94% of the capacity after almost 5 years, you are happy with your ICE, so the life goes on. I paid for my car and I will pay for any damages, you paid for you car, you pay for your fuel and services, everybody pays for his selections and mistakes, so you don't have to change my mind, I don't have to change your mind too.
@@chrishar110 Yes, I agree, we all wish to make choices on what we value. My original comment explains why I value owning an ICE more than an EV. It's fine for you to have another opinion and make your own choices But there is a difference here - the UK Government doesn't want to leave me with my choice and judgement because it wishes to abolishing ICE sales in just a few short years and deprives me of my own judgement and choice Which gives me another decision to not voting for arrogant parties who wish to impose their views on me despite my own judgement.
Where I live, non-official electric car repair shops started popping up. They can, in regards to battery, replace just the degrading cells of the battery very very cheaply, among other things. On the other hand, if you go to an official Tesla repair shop, for example, they will not be bothered to replace individual cells but try to get you to replace the whole battery for a new one, even if it is not neccessary at all. Also, I know it sounds shady when I say "non-official electric car repair shops" but they all are professional car mechanics who adapted to the evolving car landscape and started focusing on electric cars. Pretty neat. Not to mention they will repair any other thing on an electric car much much cheaper than the official service shop. I don't know how it is abroad, but as electric cars leave the warranty period, a whole new market is emerging for electric cars that will need to get serviced, and people will look for solutions on how to do it cheap.
A friend of ours bought a £87k Tesla but does several long distance journeys each year. After 15 months he said he couldn't take it any more and was going back to a petrol car as it was too stressful and way too costly. Charging to 95% apparently was costing him £70+ for 355miles range.
We drive to Scotland ( Highlands) or Cumbria from the south of England for regular breaks and the same friend said don't even consider an EV as a primary car unless your only driving local. So we're very happy to stick to our diesel Q5, certainly until we've finished travelling. Thanks for the brilliant and honest video 👍
Electric cars are way of telling people you're daft without actually telling them you're daft.
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Unless you can get one pre tax. I'd rather have a horse pre tax than give more to the government
I've had an electric car for three years. You're the one who *has* to drive to a petrol station to fill up, then gets financially raped paying for it.. I charge at home most of the time, for around a 9th of the cost of using petrol. Servicing is cheaper too. My last service cost me £68. Who was it you said was daft again?
Making daft comments about electric cars is a a way of saying you’re daft without telling people you’re daft.
If you are doing the average miles per day (20-25 miles a day) and you have 200+ miles of range and home charging, no issue .
When Tesla open the charging network to other brands, public charging should be less of an issue.
For people who have no off street parking , you do not have to use costly DC fast charging. Lots of 5kw street lamp chargers being installed in london now. Good for over night charging.
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_Lots of 5kw street lamp chargers being installed in london now._
Good luck with that, they won't last 5 minutes on most London streets...
@@thelimey351 not really anything to break, just a socket IN the lamppost.
Just looked on their web site. Hundreds are green (ready for use ) 20 or 30 or so blue (in use, it's 12 am) only 6 or so out of service.
They have been installing them a few (5 or 10) a month, since 2018. They think they will have over 1,000 by 2025. See the video link in my above post.
No real issues yet.
My Ford fiesta paid £2000 in 2018, runs on diesel and takes about £55 to fill the tank. Can do more than 500 miles in full tank. Do I need to do the maths for a EV, no I don’t. I have half a brain cell which works. I won’t be touching a EV in next good few decades. I’m holding an MSc in electrical and electronics engineering, all I got to say you are risking your life and your house when you are charging that EV in your home.
Please elaborate!
I don’t have an msc in electrical engineering (or in anything else), but I do have an ev since 2018 and I charge it at home every night. So far no concerns.
If you are an electrical engineer you will know that the LFP chemistry will burn but only if you heat it up to 600C first. Perhaps you need to update your knowledge. I'm just a sparks.
My tesla does 500miles for less than £10 and by far the safest car in the world.
You won't be driving ICE in a few decades either.... It's a good thing you didn't see Shell UK's last business report. In it, Shell stated their intention to cut the production of petrol and diesel by 40% on the lead up to 2030. In as soon as another 10 to 15 years, around 30 to 40% of the petrol stations around now, will either have gone, or will have rapid chargers on their forecourts. Shell in Norway are already replacing petrol pumps with rapid and ultra rapid chargers on their forecourts. Norway already has around 60% EV take-up. It costs less to buy a new EV there, than it does a new ICE car.
Utter nonsense. Thatcham, the UK based Road Safety organisation, carried out a study into car fires using globally collated data. They found there were 1529.9 fires per 100'000 ICE cars, and 25.4 fires per 100'000 electric cars. The reality is actually the complete opposite of what you perceive it to be. Statistically, your nice "safe" ICE Fiesta is around 60 times *more* likely to catch fire than you thought it was......
A 400 km range under the best conditions is terrible. An EV (if cheap enough) would be ok as a commuter car. But here in rural Australia they are a poor choice. The charging infrastructure is abysmal here. They might be ok in a tiny place like Great Britain, but they are far too limited in bigger countries in my view.
you failed to touch on insurance. They are becoming uninsurable i heard. Whats your experience? Have your premiums gone up?
My EV insurance has gone up a bit but so has my daughters with her petrol Fiat.
yes, the insurance on my Enyaq has gone up £50 this year to £430, pretty much in line with my daughters Fiat Panda - Fairly similar to our Previous Corolla hybrid and 320d.
EV Vs petrol insurance have increased by the same percentage
I have an EV in a charger desert. I believe the OP's comments are valid. I enjoy my EV and recognize the limitations. I only wish i had leased my car and had not purchased it. The EV prices will drop and will make depreciation painful. Good honest video.
Could you say why you chose Polestar 2 over a Tesla?
sorry if I missed you talking about this......but how does cold affect your EV? Just sitting there in cold temps the battery charge goes down. In comparison a ICE car gets less MPG in cold temps. So if you are home for the weekend during the winter and dont drive your EV. How much charge will your battery loose just sitting there?
Practically none but in cold weather batteries have a double whammy. They cannot take as much charge and you need the heater and AC on which depletes the battery very quickly.
Nice video. The issue I have with the government's push for the switch to EV is, like you said - it's not for everyone! I'm a QS and often have to make multiple site visits a day at the end of the month; it is not practicable for me to sit waiting for my car to charge and waste any additional time further planning my journeys. But I can see how an EV is ideal for someone with short commutes and journeys, saving time and money (when charging from home).
Other things that I believe are worth noting are the longevity of the battery, the cost of replacement and the second-hand market.
The depreciation of EV vehicles will always be poor as the battery has a much lower lifespan in comparison to a combustion engine. Moreover, a damaged battery will almost always be a right-off and repair shops won't want to sacrifice their space due to the quarantine recommendations.
Again... people need to assess their own situation - one size doesn't fit all.
You are big on assumptions.
@@BioniqBob tell me which assumption you think is unreasonable
@@Poolumpingas LOL TMTL
Very good point about needing loads of different apps for all the different chargers, same as the hassle of buying a parking ticket these days. Just imagine when your bank issues you a new card, you will have to update the details on 15 charger apps. What a hassle. I fill my Diesel car once a month, no app needed.
They should just use debit/credit cards like all the other fuels. Or even prepay cash.
Most of the newer chargers do. It has been a legal requirement for around 18 months now, for a newly installed EV charger to have a contactless payment facility......
Excellent and informative video. Thank you. The secondhand car market will kill EV’s. The battery represents around 40% of the cost to build a new EV. As the car depreciates, new owners are exposed to that cost. Also, my insurance broker refuses to insure Teslas.
What about Insurance costs, Fire risks, and losing 50% value after 2 years . EVs NOT a good purchase at all.. buy a Petrol and have fun freedom and reliable trips with NO hassles and no silly touch screens and junk made for kids..
Thanks! A very balanced and level headed description, told from experience (unlike many of the comments on here from folks who sound like they've made up their mind without trying one).
Great commentary about your EV experience Darren. Cheers!
If you don't have charging station in your garage, don't buy a EV
Great review - one point though - home charging is by far the cheapest - as there is no tax applied, unlike Petrol/Diesel fuel duty. It must only be a matter of time before some sort of tax will be applied, I would hazard at a guess that it will be some sort of mileage charge. With a measure point being the MOT.
It is interesting that Toyota is going down the route of hybrid cars, I'm guessing going for the section of the market that cannot charge at home, [flat dwelers, etc].
Toyota is promoting hybrid vehicles because they have a giant investment in building engines, transmissions, and hybrid motor/battery packs. They don’t want to scrap those production lines. Lexus and Toyota launched horrible EVs that are not selling. Now, their sales people tell buyers EVs are don’t sell.
Hybrids are obsolete except for special use cases. 300+ mile EVs are readily available at competitive prices when total cost of ownership is included. 98% of the time, most of us drive under 50 mi per day.
I wish i would have listen to you before accepting a Skoda Enyaq 80 company car -I live in the low emission part of Madrid Spain, your video is 100% spot on. In Spain public chargers are even less, and at least 50% of them are usually out of order. After 1 years with my EV, thank God with now a charger at work (I live in a flat so no home charger) I just use it to commute, go to work. On the weekend it stays at the parking, this last winter I stayed home or used my wife Serie A, in the summer I used my vespa. I use to do 2-3 1300 Kms in a go to the french Alps or Paris every year, we now use my wife small car. I've totally dropped on EV, accepting one has been the second worst error in my life (not joking). Dont get an EV if it is your only family car, an EV is only valid to go to work o to the supermarket over the weekend, now is it worth to pay 60k€ for a commute car? Clearly no (except if you need to access a ULEZ to work). The only positive side of it, because it has one: it's the best driving experience I've had (and I've owned 25+ cars in 30 years). This is not enough to cover for the terrible headwinds...
An ev van got stuck in half an inch of mud. We could not budge it. Imagine an ev in a skid, it would be like a wrecking ball
Be careful if you have a small business, leasing a car thru your business. A few years ago I got a little Kia Picanto as an office runaround. SHOCKED when the insurance was double what it was for my personally owned BMW M4!
Cost of a brand new EV: 50,000
Cost of a similar ICE vehicle: 30,000
EV value after 6 years of driving: 10,000
ICE vehicle value after 6 years: 15,000
Total EV value loss = 40,000
Total ICE value loss = 15,000
Difference= 25,000
Maintenance cost is the same. EV doesn't need oil changes while it needs expensive heavy duty XL tires more often than ICE vehicles.
This.
Why does the ev loses so much more of its value?
@@andrei3586 in most cases no warranty for the battery after 6 years. Very expensive to replace the battery if it dies. Sometimes it costs $20,000 to replace the battery on a used EV
Exactly 💯
The reason for the apps is very simple,they can track you .Where you are time you are there.time you leave and where you change next.So freedom of travel does not exist,for ev drivers .
So what about towing a 1600kg caravan on holiday to Italy in a couple of days like i can do easily with my diesel.?
Exactly
Or just hire a static there and drive an EV. It's not like it's mandatory to tow these things around
@@Lewis_Standing Haha EV's are shyte
Have a diesel generator in your caravan
Of course you can.But in not to far in the future your clean EV can do that.Your diesel will be banned in many towns in Europe believe me.
Question, What details do you have to provide to be able to charge your EV???
I don't have to provide ANY personal information when buy Gas at the petrol station.
I take my personal very privately.... My GP and medical file don't have most of my details, they have NO phone number or address for me....
Fortunately i still have a petrol vehicle for the 0% road trips ive done all my life lol. If its too far im flying lol
8.31. You went down the classic EV owners route to justify having to stop for 40 minutes. Food and toilet. Yesterday I drove from Derby to London and stayed with family who live in a flat. On the way home the M1 was SHUT so I had to do a 30 mile detour. Fortunately I was in my trust Ford Focus with 498 miles on a full tank so no range anxiety or wasted time charging. A simple journey of 300 miles in an ICE but a potential nightmare in an EV. As for you 'all you need is to plan' - why should I have to plan where to go to charge?
what about the loss of value of your car ?,, you will be lucky if you get anything for it , also how about how much car insurance will cost for the next year
Depreciation on new cars is always a killer - A diesel Audi A4 loses 38-47% of it's value in 3 years. Don't buy new cars, especially ones in which the market hasn't settled down yet. Personally I saved 12k on a year old Enyaq with 6k miles on it. I've got no intention of selling it as it is a great car.
so what you are saying is , don't buy an EV as the marget has not settled down yet on them , hence the price cutting going on , will take your advice and will not be buying one , only those who jumped in and did not look hard enhough as to what was happening are the only ones with them , many thanks for your advice
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Charging at home is an option for those only who live in a suburban home with a garage where they can charge their EV. But if you live in an apartment building in a city you don't have this option. Another problem is if you take your car on very long drives, e.g., from Minnesota to Florida, or a longer drive even, from Virginia to Oregon. In this case you'll waste a lot of time and money at public recharging stations, assuming even you can find them. As most of us expect their one vehicle to be used both for short local drives and for the long interstate ones too, an EV is not an option.
I'm always intrigued by these "don't buy an EV" stories as it's so down to the individual use case. The charging infrastructure is clearly the biggest drawback but if you never go far and can charge at home, who cares? For others, buy a Tesla! Range anxiety is a thing, particularly when reliant on non-Tesla infrastructure. But again, it's not a problem if you never go far and if you do, buy a Tesla.
Cost is an issue though. Sure, it's not so much an issue if you can charge at home and I'm sure that it's great to be able to get a full charge for £10 on cheap rate overnight 'leccy. But what nobody talks about is the additional cost for your day time rates which go up when you switch to one of these overnight cheap tariffs. So, have you done that cost comparison? And can you share it?
Overall, as a petrol head, and someone who does drive regularly over 400 miles in a weekend and often to North England and Scotland, I'm almost at the point of accepting that EVs can work. Give me a diesel hybrid with 60 - 70 miles battery range and now you are definitely talking!
Don't buy an EV, if you must, lease one. According to Cap they lost 30% in a year. That's not 30% from new thats an additional depreciation on a 3 year old car this year compared to a 3 year old car last year. Many dealers have decided not to take any more used EV's.
@@davidowen2859 thats not even considering the environment damage caused by ev's (recent studies have found that they are far worse than gas cars)
@@frostyflameff4003 how can that be? Who funds these studies? Just look at overnight power in most countries. In the uk it is almost always 80%+ wind, nuclear and hydro. With the rest biomass and gas. And please don't start going on about Cobalt in the batteries , modern LFP batteries do not have any Cobalt in them.
@@davidowen2859 all modern tech drops in value. I spent almost 1,000 pound in a 486 PC in the early 90, by 2000 it was worth about 150 pounds by 2005 probably with nothing...... but so what it still worked and the only way to stop old tech falling in value is to have no progress in tech at all.
@@patdbean the battery as a whole. such as lithium. the power vs petrol is nothing in comparison
I have owned, for about 2 years, a "Chinese" car, in fact a 970 kg Dacia Spring, for which I payed the "enormous" price of 8,000 euros through state subsidies, and I also have a "gas station" (240V socket) in my yard. In 2 years and 30,000 km I had exactly 0 problems with it, and an average energy consumption of 11 kWh/100 km, with a cost equivalent to 1.5 l of gasoline per 100 km, compared to the old combustion car, which consumed at least 10 l of gasoline per 100 km and that broke at least once a month. In 5 years, the entire cost of the electric car will be amortized only from the savings made at the price paid for fuel. I say that it is always worth buying an electric car instead of an inefficient combustion engine (the efficiency of any combustion engine is below 40%, the rest goes into heat and waste, while an electric one is around 80%). In a year or two, at least 4 electric models will appear in Europe (Citroen e-C3, Renault 5, Tesla Model 2 and VW id.2) with good performance and with a price below 25,000 euros before subsidies.
I drove a 1971 Chevy pickup for 28 years. It's range on a tank of feul was around 160 miles. 16 gallon capacity at ten mpg.
Ok. My 2018 Silverado gets 550 miles per tank
EVs are no go if you want to keep your car long time. Battery replacement alone after 8-10 years cost as much as a new gasoline car like Toyota Corolla. Gasoline cars last nearly forever if you can do lot of work yourself. Parts are very cheap compared to EV parts.
I think that the EV needs a major redesign before mass roll out. They need to be designed with modular batteries.
Not really, teslas work fine, plenty of old model s’s driving around on 10+ year old packs.
The UK charging infrastructure needs a lot of work. Cars are great.
No, you don’t get my point, the Tesla’s are fine I am sure. It’s the infrastructure that will be the huge challenge in the coming years. Only a matter of time before the infrastructure charging point availability is overtaken by demand for charging.
Not sure what a modular battery is then.. removable batteries.. no..
@@gavinbroughton yes, that’s it.
I have had three EVs the current model is Zoe GT LINE i have found the EV to be amazing and ticked all my boxes. I agree the rapid charge stations are hit and miss! Although the new chargers being installed on the motorways are great. The trouble is at 79ppkwh is too much to pay! I can charge at work for 29p. At home i have installed a plug socket outside on its own circuit, but will have a 7kw charger installed soon. So with Octopus 7.5p
When i first started in 2014 i had a free charger installed on my home and solar panels, which was better but we sold that and moved into a retirement flat. I also had 12 months free rapid charge in Bradford for a year which was great!
I've had 2 EVs, both charged from home, the second off solar that gets feed in tariff, so I got paid to drive in Summer. Agreed public charging sucks, but it is improving. My last EV was a Tesla and that was fine for long trips if a bit expensive. Don't have one at the moment but that will be sorted very soon. In about 4, maybe 5 years public charging will be fine. In the mean time get an EV and keep a diesel or petrol car for the odd long trip or just rent one when you need it. Or better still rent a Tesla.
The government says it's aiming for net zero which I personally feel is folly but in any case I'm not sure whether it should be government or the manufacturers who pay for the network (Tesla do it very well).
Utility costs even for home charging have shot up, much more than price of petrol or diesel. Then take into account the huge tax levied on petrol and diesel which will move over to EV eventually and the economics don't look great. When governments try and convince us to do something but don't seem to do their bit I think it's wise to sit tight. Maybe they already know that another technology will replace EV soon.
My home charging costs for my EV are £280 a year for 15,000 miles. A petrol car would cost me nearly 2 grand.
Home charging costs are not an issue.
Glad to see you’re doing an insightful video (other than the housing market crash) that is useful to small business owners 👍
I’d rather the useful videos on the housing market
@@twominutesturkish6664 how can it be useful if there’s video after video from April all saying the same thing.
Not only this channel, but several others have been creating a frenzy of house market crash videos so be aware of the hysteria.
Also, if caught up in the hysteria, take a step back and be aware of any confirmation bias.
Good video and mirrors exactly what I tell people. We have had at least one EV since 2016 (i3 then a Zoe previously). Currently we have two EVs Tesla Model 3 LR and Volvo C40. Both similar real world 220 to 260 mile range. Both are salary sacrifice cars and in 18 months I plan to retire and both cars go back. Then I will need to buy cars with no BIK perks. Plan is to get one EV for local trips, something like a used E-Niro. Then for longer trips go back to ICE, something like an A6 Avant. We will do much more European touring when I retire and while driving a Tesla across Europe has been largely OK, it’s not completely pain free and I’d rather have the lower hassle of a diesel cruiser in retirement.
Do you think the UK government should set a price cap on public electricity costs (on a sliding scale for speed of charger)?
Yes, but the speed of charging shouldn’t make any difference to the Unit price. In fact, faster chargers should be cheaper than slow charging as you’re taking less time and allowing others to charge.
They could make a start by dropping the 20% VAT to the same rate as domestic electrricity, 5%
An EV sounds like a nightmare for someone like me, who's self employeed and lives in a condo (I can't have a home charger). I don't have time to goof off and find a public charger, that works.
Codos and apartments will be installing them or will lose tenants. You can have one but would rather cry.
I think the list of the top 10 cars for largest depreciation, ALL being EV'S, says it all. I would not buy second hand. Any damage, however minor, can cause the battery pack to become a volcano.
So how could you be so sure a second hand ICE car you might buy, didn't have potential safety issues? It's not like ICE cars never used to go wrong.....
@@Brian-om2hh An EV fire cannot be extinguished. Frightening, especially if parked in an integral garage. Anyway, the depreciation acts like a poll. People don't want to buy them.
One point, you don't **have** to buy a new EV, a used one with reasonable mileage (
You made the mistake of not buying Tesla. Traditional car companies can't keep up and have no incentive to destroy their core biz.
As a NON Tesla owner, I have downloaded the Tesla App... Signed in as a Non-Tesla owner.... No issues with charging or paying for charging.
There are two types of people who buy EVs:
1. Knobs
2. MASSIVE EFFING knobs
Typical response from a dumb uneducated person. Congrats.
My commiserations to your partner IF you got one.
And smart people who pay less tax.
Says the man who has never owned, driven, sat in, or even touched an EV.