EV's are a viable solution for a lot of people, for which there is no reason to force sales. In fact, forcing the sales has worsened the appearence of EV's as a solution, so hindered sales long -term.
@@mikewhitehead50 I nearly signed up for an EV almost two years ago. But it proved too difficult to install a home charger for me. I have a shared car park area and the body corporate wasn't sure if they could allow a charger to be installed. So I left it. Also the cost to install the charger was nearly £3k+ for me.
This popped up whilst doomscrolling at 4am . I don't have an EV, nor do i expect to have one in the near future. I recently managed 59mpg on a 650 mile , day trip, in my Mk4 Tdi Golf, which cost me a grand, 4 years back. I could still sell the car easily for 800 quid privately. That is the whole point of me not needing an EV. I have nothing against them, but i hate the narrative push and lack of equal footing.
I was doing 200 plus miles a day in my old job untill a couple of months ago, a diesel is a must if your motorway munching miles. If youre doing the miles around town a hybrid ioniq will get you 60-80mpg (50 on the motorway) so the complete operative to a diesel, that's why they are popular with taxi drivers. However I'm now working from home and if I need an office in the future it will be close to home, so I'm doing about 200 a week, so for the first time in my life I'm thinking of an EV. Given my few miles I do a week now is 90% country lanes, I'm really tempted by the Cupra born. It will do 250miles (ish) and it drives well and it's hot enough hatch for me and my narrow roads. A 6 second to 60 is enough for me, the handling is more important. And of course the deal on the Cupra I've been offered works. I've got to make a decision by tomorrow. And I think I'm gonna pull the plug.
@@iCozzh ...well, after 150,000 miles, the ..heap of ass..Golf 2003 is still going fine. Why would i need to spend on a new car? It's still in decent condition . Also, you are correct, my new android phone..Samsung Galaxy S10plus has recently replaced my old S10plus, which i bought new, but two years after the model came out in 2020. I still switch lights on and off when i leave the room..that might bother you too. I prefer not to throw away any money on depreciating goods just to look up to date and cool...that attutude is a load of w4nk in my books...i have managed to pay off my mortgage and buy another house to rent out. Better things to spend money on.
Half the oil industry subsides and put that money into reducing EV prices, providing infrastructure and home charging facilities and then let the market decide. Waking up in the morning to car full of energy costing me 1/5 of my petrol bill, and not having to go to petrol station. I fill up my car whilst I sleep. True, it doesn’t make loud guttural noises, but seeing the BMW in your rear view mirror after pulling away from most traffic lights still makes you smile even when it gets boring after a few weeks.
@@Banyan314 the thing is you are looking in at yourself and expecting that the same scenario fits all. It doesn't and it is wrong for governments to force people into something that doesn't work for them. That is called communism, fascism, etc.
@@daveb2wright An interesting idea but governments do that all time, through the implementation of laws and regulations. Our government, voted into power by the "majority" of of us, are given a mandate, by their election into office, to "tell us what to do ". That is the point of government, otherwise we'd have anarchy. The means by which they help us comply with the laws and regulations range from jail to subsides and tax breaks, and numerous other means in between. Far from being Communism or Fascism, this is how democracy works. we can only hope that governments know what they are doing based on sound evidence and a respect for the people they govern.
@@Banyan314 Interesting how you believe we live in a democracy in the UK? Also, the 4th of July's general election was the second lowest turnout in history, since 1918.
These things as you call them will save kids longs or people who suffer ashtma.And Iam not an evangelist.I drive an E.V and yes nothing is perfect Simon.
We moved away from horses a century ago yet you can still ride one if you want. You will always be able to use ice vehicles but like horses they won't be practical. Think of EVs like mobile phones. Not many wanted the early ones but now almost every normal person wants and has one.
@@foppo100Untrue. Vehicle exhausts are so clean that deleting private cars makes no measurable difference to health risks. Source: I’ve been a researcher in respiratory diseases for 40 years and also worked on air pollution in the 1990s.
Strange isn't it that its only ever sick people who get sick, its almost exactly as if bacteria and "viruses" are completely superfluous mechanisms, how can they "make" you sick if you're already sick 🤔
I had no problems at petrol stations during Covid- what ones were you going to? However that isn’t my comment Barrie. A friend leased a BMW i3 a while ago. She was on paper an ideal EV owner nearly all local journeys with a weekly 20 mile trip to her sons who has a home charger. But there were several occasions where she needed to go somewhere in a hurry, her dad was taken ill, her cat needed an urgent trip to the vet and each time there was not enough charge as she had just been using the car. She is now in a petrol BMW and the milk float is going back to the lease company. She says she will never own another. This is being replicated all over the country.
Her song had a home charger.Ther lies the problem.The EV.s are fine, lack of charging infrastructure is the problem.Have I got this wrong?They aren't milk floats are they have you driven one.
@@foppo100 I have news for you.... EVs have been around nearly as long as ICE cars, and there is a reason most people preferred an ICE car. Just pick up your keys, start it up and go anywhere, at any time, with luggage/passengers, whatever the weather....you can park it up at the airport, go do winter sun for 6 weeks, get back and start it up and off home immediately. EVs have a place......short journeys, no weight, decent weather....for everything else it`s ICE....and that is the reason EV pervs seem to have what they call a `spare car`, which breezes everything the EV cannot deal with. Also, the reason Hybrids are selling so well, especially Toyotas. Record profits for Toyota last year....they called it correct.
Some of the major problems with BEVs are not the car itself. It's the way they're being sold. Many salespeople don't know much about the car, whether ICE or EV. If you ask about something specific, they'll give you a generic or guessed answer times 9 out of 10. You'll get away with this with ICE cars, but not with EVs as there are fundamental differences. The people who sell them need to understand them, they are not as flexible as ICE in our (UK) environment. You need to understand how the batteries work, how the charging works, the differences in the charge connectors and charge service. I've helped countless people with their new shiny EV at the charging stations at service stations remove the little cover underneath the AC part of the charger socket to reveal the DC part so that could charge 10x quicker for example. Let the market decide, educate people and not rely on salespeople to do it, because for the majority, their sole goal is to sell and there isn't the margin to teach as well. I've had an BEV since 2015 - first on a lease for 2 years, so impressed with it, I bought another and I've had that since 2015, same EV, saved hundred each month. But I actually take the effort to learn the tech, its advantages and pitfalls. For our use case it's been perfect. What about battery life? Or how many times have I had to change the battery? Range? SOH, state of health it has lost one bar from 12. Range 90 miles down to 82 miles. Same battery after 10 years use (I bought it 2nd hand). How much did it cost you ask? £9500 over three years at 0% interest on HP. I get to keep the car, not the stupid borrow the car for £500 over 36 months or whatever, 6 months 'deposit' which you don't get back, so that's cost you £21k and you've got nothing to show for it. How much is it worth now? Around £3k. So £6500 over 9 years and it saved me loads on fuel, tax and servicing. Not too shabby I think.
I work with a few EV sheep….one of them bought a ev for 27,000….just 3500 miles later it’s online value is 12k….he’s also saying how he’s got to pay 190 for road tax next year….good job he saved a few pennies on charging ..LOL 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@StaggerLee1468 oooooh but you charge your car at home and return home before you have to pay the costs at charge points. What a dull life that is bro. ALso go look at what you paid on top for it being an EV against its ICE counter part, at least 3K and then look at the lack of a second hand market and the depreciation... oh sh*t you got mugged in the thousands!
@@StaggerLee1468 How much did it deprecate..? chap above has lost £15,000 🤣 ……he’s done 3500 miles….my car would cost just £460 to fuel to do 3500 miles…..sheep are easily controlled and manipulated 😳
I think the 1st and possibly 2nd and 3rd owners are dealerships, pre registered and then moved around to make it seem like they are meeting the EV sales targets .
Dealerships dont usually license the cars. They have special dealer plates they can use that are swapped between cars as needed. They dont buy the cars from the factory. They lease them until theyre sold only paying for the time theyre held.
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@@mickjoebillsPeople buy evs for lower running costs and a rolls royce like wafting experience. I bought my model S for that exact reason. Still got my GTR,s2000 and evo for the weekends.
@@alundavies5171 The car legacy industry seems to exist to pay dividends to investment companies.Damnably poor about investing in technology. Seem to be in the process of cutting their own throats. The workers will eventually feel betrayed, if not already. Damned shame.
@jgtemperton The people that think just because an EV suits them that it MUST be suitable for everyone else. Another video someone mentioned charging at home after taking the kids to school... So not someone that needs to travel for their job or a decently long commute every day. Show me an electric car that costs sub £3000 that will tow a 1250kg caravan 300 miles and still have more than 1/4 of it's charge remaining.
+1 Barrie. About 3 months ago, I looked at getting an EV as a 2nd car for school runs etc. The cheapest decent exmaple was about £4000. I ended up buying a well looking after, FSH etc 2013 1.6 diesel for £2000 that returns over 50mpg . Looking now on autotrader, similar EVs to what I looked at in June are about £3000. So £1000 in depreciation in 3 months. Ouch.
@@wileywilson beware of low miles in a diesel. They don’t do well for short journeys pottering around. Get DPFs clogged up and the fuel economy tanks due to the. Taking ages to warm up. Petrol is a much better option for short trips than diesel.
@@andrewwaller5913 I had to go to the motorway each and every weekend due to DPF warning lights on a golf diesel. Not my idea of how I want to spend a Saturday morning.
that was the actual "remedy" offered to my father in law here in Germany by the local VW shark. That's all you'll get. The fault in DPF cars is a design flaw that manufacturers did anyway. The costs of dealing with it are given to customers/victims.
All sounds perfectly sensible to me Barrie, but we dont live in a sensible world (in he west) and the last thing a lot of people want to admit is when they have been conned - just like with the all time biggest Con ever; they will do the bidding of those that conned them rather than see the real picture. All the best from Aotearoa
I help out at a car pitch, we sell 50-60 cars a month. We don’t take EV’s in Px at all. I probably talk about EV’s to 50% of customers, most simply just don’t want to own one. Our cars are £5k to £11k and we are so busy each month it’s crazy. We have around 45-50 cars on the pitch so the stock turn is massive. Living in northern England with thousands of terraced houses. It’s impossible to park outside your own house, my ex lives in one with her new hubby and my daughter. They can have 4 cars to park up and never outside your own house, how they going to charge 4 cars. It’s simply not going to work going all electric.
@andrewbaron8713 I assume you guys up north have street lights, and I assume terraces are at least from 1980, so you have proper thick wires going to lampposts. You can have a charger every 2 - 4th lampposts
We have a Nissan Leaf, and before that, we had a Nissan Leaf for 3 years. The first one needed front tyres at 18k, but apart from that, it was faultless. We also have a diesel Passat for long journeys. EVs are okay if you can charge at home, but they get expensive if you need to charge elsewhere. Interesting video and thanks for sharing.
I've got an EV and I love it, an q4 etron. Brilliant car and much much better than the ICE Audis I've had in the past. I've also got an ICE car, I love both. An ev on its own wouldn't suit my needs now. My EV is also through a company scheme....I don't think I would buy one outright with my own money as the depreciation seems excessive. That said, it's an incredible car at an incredible price that I love driving.
I don't see any contradictions at all. They like both of their cars as cars. At this point in their life, the Audi wouldn't meet all of their needs. Presumably because of the perceived depreciation issue, they wouldn't buy one with their own money. That doesn't make the Audi not a great car. So where the multiple contradictions?
Your not allowed to tell the truth about electric vehicles though. Mate just handed his notice in because the company only gave him the choice of electric for his next vehicle. He often does site visits in the winter and has pulled into fuel stations on fumes for the journey home at the end of the day. The thought of fighting for a charger at the services did not appeal. Another mate got electric vans for their deliveries, OK when your sub 40 miles around and into the City but not when you need to drive 65 miles to the first customer and then around that City, not enough charge to make it back to base or home being virtually flat by the last customer. Companies making silly choices because of the incentives.
Im an electronic engineer and having spent over 50 years repairing electronic and electrical equipment I would never ever get into the monstrous scheme of the EV. They are an utter horror story. They are as someone in UT says a milk float despite the fancy wrapping. Why the hell would I want one!
Quiet, extremely cheap to run if you can charge overnight. My insurance this year has dropped and despite popular belief at over 3 years old it still has 100% battery health and hasn’t had any faults not not caught fire.
@@davepfizer fun and easy to drive, quiet, charge conveniently at home over night for next to nothing. Negatives having to stop for 30mins to charge on long distances but never so those.
I can see the con now, is if you have an EV, you can't get a battery health check from a non dealer. That's how they'll keep the money coming to them. And as the car is connected to the internet, they can black mark the car if it isn't taken to a main dealer.
A colleagues mother bought an EV, when it went in for a service the cost was the same as her previous ICE car, when she asked how come? She was told “ the dealership costs are identical ie, rates insurance salaries electricity etc so the service costs the same or the dealership goes broke. It’s economics innit.
@@stephensalt6787 my service is about the same but only once every few years rather than every year on an ICE. And even then I did the past service myself for about £40 as it was just filter changes.
I just priced up a new night heater in my motorhome , he pushed me for a fully loaded solar system with Lithium batteries at £5000 , Ok hardware I can see but £75/hr at £1800 for a 24 hr labour ?? Work = cost of living it seems to me ?
Love ♥ these video's ; Tech., statistics , research [ like I do ] , and common sense honesty - " not getting ripped off " a superb different slant to the great Geoff Buys Cars .. thank you 👏👏👏🎬. G. [Chartered Engineer].
Totally agree with you on EVs and all the associated issues around them which have primarily been caused by those in power with an agenda to push, I have nothing against an EV just don’t suit what I want from a car!
The Chinese are well known for making attractive looking things that are insufficiently constructed for long life. The Chinese EVs might be wonderful for the first year or so. Then the quality shortcuts will become apparent and the vehicles will be worth nothing, as the next generation EVs will be available, and those will be more attractive still.
Do you think another reason these five year old cars are changing hands so regular is due to the owners realising the battery range has hugely fallen. And have you seen the report of one of these automotive EV’s killing a man when it drove straight throw a brick wall on a fourth floor of a car park ?.
And seen reports of ice cars driving off multi storey car parks and jettys. If you're going to post things like this, please include a link to the article, otherwise it's meaningless conjecture. Without that, it's just a case of "some bloke on a UA-cam channel said his brother knew someone who overheard somebody in the pub say ....."
At 5:00, the guys who do 70 photos drive me nuts and I purposely scroll past them, it’s far too many and not relevant. Then they insert pointless graphic adverts about their business into the list, as I say I move straight on.
@BarrieCrampton I didn't mention personalized videos, I said 70 photos of cars are pointless, often 5 images of a door handle. But if you think it helps great.
Often a photo of every screen on the infotainment system can seem pointless. Sometimes it's the best way to show the spec a car has is to photo the buttons and features etc
Great video Mr. EV Sherlock. I once did a test drive in a Tesla Model 3. My dislikes and no go's: you always have to push the gas pedal even when you go down a slope, the GPS internal system was not aligned with the turns I had to take, the milage left was misleading, I was losing power far more quickly, no FSD support in Europe yet, and lastly no Apple Car Play support. And then the high electricity prices combined with the poor trade in values, makes me want to wait a few more years at least.
When have you driven an ice car which can accurately tell you how many miles you have left in your tank? I don't know about Teslas but my EV has two regen settings. On the milder setting it drives just like an ice car with an auto transmission. I believe that satnav systems are in ice cars too. The accuracy of a satnav is nothing to do with the fact that it's an EV. So you had a test drive in a Tesla once, and didn't like it, so all EVs are rubbish. Good thing your first experience of food wasn't bad.... 😂
@@rugbygirlsdadg I did not mention they are all rubbish, just wanted to share my test drive experience, I hope you have more luck and enjoy your (future) EV.
Hi Barrie if I understand correctly you suggest the regen system on EVs can render the brakes less effective over time (you mention someone possibly being killed at 17:14 and later in the video). However, you mention looking to buy an I-Pace and say EVs can be the best car you have ever driven/no brainer in the right circumstances. I’m trying to reconcile these two viewpoints and understand does this mean you do not use the regen system on EVs you drive. Also, do you advise buyers of any EVs you sell not to use the regenerative system given the serious concerns you mention. Finally, do you know if there is any data to show increased accident rates for EVs as a result of poorer braking performance or just more generally. I couldn’t find any. Thanks.
On my EV, when I drive off, if the vehicle had not been driven in the last 6 hours then the regen is deactivated for the first few miles. My discs have no rust on the friction face. This is just a software solution that could be used on all EVs. !
@@djtaylorutube Just that regenerative braking actually insures that the brake pads and disks are actually used far less than in an ICE car - the electric motor does the braking in this scenario, so where the author of the video here has stated in other videos that regenerative braking has a exaggerated negative effect on brake disks, this is actually not the case. Lots of decent sources of info out there out how regen actually works, don't need to take my word for it!
@@chrisweight7742 Ok, I haven't listened to what he said, another echo chamber of opinion no doubt. The brake disk thing is easy, just use the pedal hard a few times occasionally. End of issue.
Electric company car driver. It was forced on me as no ice alternative. 114,000 miles in less than four years. I wouldn't buy an electric car with my money. Not a chance.😂
I guess you didn't pay for fuel to travel 114,000 miles. The reality is the person who was responsible for your transport had the smarts to figure out the savings in fuel expenses were worth the capital expense of an EV!
@@mickjoebills I certainly did pay for the fuel and had to reclaim at HMRC advisory rates currently 7p per mile while I can be paying up to 80p per kilowatt hour on public chargers.
Just bought a second hand Mini electric. Fantastic town car. I charge it from my home solar panels ( live in cape town) Not a car for everybody but fits my needs very very well. I love it!
Barrie. I’m picking up a Mitsubishi Shogun 2011 with 55,000 on the clock on Saturday to replace my Mitsubishi Outlander Phev. Why? Because I’m fed up with crawling along pulling my caravan holding people up because it’s having to carry a ton of batteries around. At least I won’t be hanging around in the Shogun….. Great Vids.
Thanks Barrie. It's a slightly long video to what I normally watch, but you have presented evidence well and I have learnt a few things also from your video. I wish other people were open minded rather than being biased and are able to see the facts you are presenting like I am. Thank you for making this video.
Hi Barry, do a video on hybrids please. We have an Audi A3 etron and it’s going well for now but I do see the brake issue you mentioned being a cost soon. It is 8 years old TBF. Thanks
Depreciation of EV’s is ridiculous. Repair work and insurance off the scale. Batteries cost more than the value of the car which is totally unsustainable
Yeah, I just choose to brake with the left peddle every-so-often. That seems to do the trick. EV owner for 3 years, brakes are 10% worn at the front and 20% worn at the rear. They work fine.
My 11 yrs old Nissan leaf’s original brake disc is still as shining as new after 93k miles of driving. Regenerate braking works like engine braking, it is less effective at low speed, under 10mph it still needs to engage brake pad to stop the car, so brake pad is still used, just use less. The rusty brake disc is more likely caused by parking in moist place for prolonged period of time, not use of regenerate braking. I am not sure the situation in UK, but here in US within 500 miles range there are 5501 used EVs listed for sale in auto trader, but 5220 of them are listed by dealers, so only 5% of them are listed by private seller, compared to near 1 million EV registration in the same area, only tiny amount of EV owners are selling their cars.
Brakes- obviously should be able to switch regen off. Plus regen PLUS brakes stop a car, not just regen. Point is not enough brakes so causing more rust.
@@BarrieCrampton well I know of 30+ people from various company’s who have had electric company cars in the last year who have said it’s the best car the’ve ever had and “love it”. I’ve not heard 1 say there is any issues with them. Some are doing 4k miles a month and are rarely public charging. A few of these people had previously said they would never have an EV and now just gush over them.
@@BarrieCrampton lol! No, I just don’t understand the anti EV rhetoric when all I hear from people who own them is good things. Maybe it’s a knowledge issue. One of my customers planned to buy 18 Skoda Enyaq 60’s for their apps department. I mentioned that the quoted range wasn’t what was stated and they would lose more in the winter without a heat pump. They took my advise and bought Enyaq 80”s (then 85”s) with heat pumps and have had no issues. The manager said “they have been hugely successful” can you imagine doing 3-4k miles a month in a Enyaq 60 in the winter without a heat pump? It would have been a disaster.
It’s swings and roundabouts. Obviously the idea that they’ll suit everyone is a fallacy. They’ll suit me now, I’m retired, probably do around 60 miles a week, able to charge at home and longer trips my bladder won’t last more than 3 hours max, so stopping for a top up isn’t an issue. I’d lease anyway, so not bothered about whole life or depreciation costs as such. A diesel is no use to us given our mileage and I calculated that on our French holiday trips, the right EV would cost us no more in time, given the stops we make anyway, when charging. Not ruled out another hybrid or a plug in, will just ultimately settle for what suits us best overall.
To support the service networks the manufacturers will always insist on services; if the braking system were entirely electric the schedule would still call for an electrical systems download for safety reasons and then would add operation and condition inspections. Et voila, suddenly a £350 invoice.
Barrie, thanks for your video. I've learnt a lot, as im looking for a bargain quality used EV. Quick question on regen. Would the advice be to remember to use your brakes regularly, i.e., once a week, to avoid brake corrosion?
I've had my Yaris for 12 and a half years from new. It seems funny that owners only keep their car for a few months before getting rid. Either they don't like it or there is something wrong with it. Those are the only 2 options.
If ICE vehicles were the new technology and EVs the old, and even at equal equivalent retail values, I think that new EVs would be a thing of the past within 6 months! A great, fully informed and HONEST view of the real situation, giving some facts which I haven't heard before. Thanks so much Barrie for the information - should be helpful for those contemplating purchasing of their first EV to perhaps think again!!
Hardly went to a petrol station during covid as didn’t need petrol because I didn’t have anywhere to go. I do remember though some guy going absolutely crazy as I didn’t have my mask on outside with virtually no-one around. Maybe that would have persuaded me to go electric - for 5 minutes anyway!
Matt Hancock and Chris Whitty have a lot to answer for. At least Whitty has now admitted mistakes. I wonder how long it will take the government to admit that battery cars are not a viable alternative
@@twig3288 Stalin Starmer admit to lies? Nah you misheard him or he was talking about something else or... well any old excuse to whitewash over the lies. We should call him Pinocchio Stalin Starmer.
I did have a e Golf. I wanted to trade back to Petrol. Ford would not take it in part ex. They said that they would not take it as they could not test it with their ford equipment. Sold private and lost £300 total. I consider myself vey lucky. Now back to Petrol. Great to be back to i c e . Keep up the good work Barrie.
Nobody ever claimed that the EV fanboys had researched the whole life costs of their cars. From the intial purchase cost, then depreciation, repairs, tyres, eventual battery replacement etc. etc. Only now are the true costs becoming known - and the leasing companies will have been feeling that pain for a while.... A very well considered video, thanks Barrie.
On the regen issue, I think a lot of the brake issues are due to the fascination with one foot driving where the car will actually come to a stop without touching the brake pedal, my old MX doesn't have one foot driving so I still have to dab the brake pedal to stop, which keeps the pads and discs in check.
I might politely suggest that if the lady is that bad at managing the fuel state of her car, she'd have been completely knackered during a petrol tanker strike. If you do 20 miles/week how low do you allow your state of charge to get and how far away is does the emergency have to be before it becomes an issue?
it wasn't with our BMW 2019 X3 2.0 Diesel. 12k depreciation in two years even though we bought it at 2 year old, m sport front brake pads £300. 32mpg. Ad blue failure £700. £560 road tax. Sluggish and ate tyres at £320 a corner. Replacement Volvo EV rocks, 400bhp, quiet, fast, cheap insurance, easy home charging. And as for old shitters, don't do those thanks.
@@WhiteDieselShedIs that another regular 10+ hour non stop journey? I've never done that in my diesel either. I've driven to Madrid in our EV in an enjoyable way, taking the same approach and similar time that it would have taken us though. I get that some people want to drive 10+ hours non stop though, eating sandwiches on the go, swapping drivers, pissing in a bottle... My wife and I prefer to stop and eat using metal utensils. We leave the diesel at home, it's just for short local trips. Currently sitting with the battery on charge! 😂
@@djtaylorutube P in a bottle? Theres a caravan behind us with all the facilities of a hotel minus the bed bugs. I was a lorry driver so I don't need to go all day.
Now I'm retired, the thought of going back to the expense of an ice car really did fill me with dread! I have a bus pass and an electric bike. I can manage without a car so I think I will do that. Hiring the one if needed is a much cheaper option.
Hi Barry couldn’t agree with you more about tyres. I bought an Audi E-Tron a year ago coming off a lease at 3 years old 19500 miles. Tyres looked fine plenty of tread, garage mot’d car failed need a new tyre. On collection cheap Roadx tyre, rest were conti’s. Checked mot had failed to to tear on sidewall, also had advisories on both front Tyres again for tears. After a discussion where I told them to stick their car, I got 4 new conti’s, last day of the month deal no doubt wanted the sale to go through. Obviously weight of car reason for tears in sidewalls.
Brilliant insight into the realities of the motor trade. Fantastic. I think the real main problem with an EV is what happens when it's been parked up for a long period of time ?? the battery must surely deteriote, alongside the brake discs becoming rusty. I do understand that their is a push towards a different technology for transportation, but I am not convinced that EVs are the way forward. In fact, if they were, why are goods vehicles not battery operated ??
19:43 i would put a big bet on this car with the initial 3 year 28 owner, then a 4 month one, the initial owner put up with it cos it was on the motability scheme, so they was stuck with it for the 3 years. Id also bet there is a lot of ev that follow a similar 3 year owner, then a short owner.
I loved petrol stations during the pandemic, no queues, not many people and petrol was cheaper than ever!!! And I've got an immune system which got a nice top up when people were around.
If you have the use case it's a good time to buy used however need to do the reliability and depreciation analysis really carefully. I bought my diesel when people ran the other way and likewise my jag svr when fuel prices were high. In my case its a third car just bought , 3 yrs old Mii electric which when combined with solar and EV tariff is basically saving me money (house and car) and effectively free when including all costs and hopefully wont pack up soon. It will never go outside its A to A range in my ownership as I have nicer better ICE motors for that. So it is possible to make a case but it's pretty niche have to say.
The tyre shredding depends on how they are driven. Even with a Tesla my tyres were fine when I replaced it with a cheaper EV to save some of the rip off insurance con.
Couple of points regarding brakes. The main issue with EV brakes is indeed surface rust build up on the discs, but when people do get issues with seizing causing poor operation, it's not usually calliper failure and you don't need to buy new callipers at huge cost! It's almost always the pads rusting in place at the contact point with the calliper causing the seizing, so cleaning properly when changing the pads and regular brake service will deal with this. The other point is, you don't have to use heavy regen all the time! Just turn it off, or minimise it regularly and use old school braking! This is what I do, and I've not had any issues with brake corrosion over the last 6+ years of driving EV's.
Brake seizures and bad discs on EV’s- after nearly 80000 miles on two EVs my tip is use your brakes every now and again. I do a lot of dual carriageway and motorway mileage which is different from mainly urban use where regeneration braking could do all the work-I think maybe that’s why. Plus ignorance on looking after your car. As a racing cyclist it’s been ingrained into me to check brake pads and braking surfaces, plus of course tyres. Seems people nowadays are treating cars like appliances in the home- however your fridge can’t do 70mph… Thanks Barry for another common sense video.
Barrie, Renault Zoes also vent the battery into the passenger compartment. So if you get a runaway battery you'll be dead from the toxic fumes before the fire gets you.
I will tell you why people are not px-ing their car at a dealership.... Because dealerships are offering such low prices for our cars. My example. BMW X1 23d M Sport Sunroof upgraded leather, 20" factory upgraded wheels bought brand new by myself. A 48.5k car when new. 9 months later BMW (Slackstones Silverlink Newcastle) offered me 28k for it with 3500 miles on the clock. 😳 The usual buying sites were offering between 32 to 34k. Still way under the market trade values imo. However I got a valuation off another site who then pestered me to use their site to sell my car for me probably the site you get a few of your cars from by way of putting your highest bid in 😉 you know the site i mean... However I said that i wouldn't be advertising my vehicle for 34.5k because you couldn't get one for less than 42k off AT at least. Granted that is the retail prices advertised on there and not trade prices. So I asked them to advertise my car for 38.5k which I was happy with. Yes 4k above their valuation and it sold within 24 hours of it being advertised. So these dealers are trying to screw over anyone who is wanting to sell them or px their car with them with their sole focus is on trying to sell new ev cars due to the pressures of the government to hit the 22% ev targets so they really do not want your ice px.
Don't you think all cars are a bottomless pit for taking your cash. Who cares what you drive as long as it works. The modern cars are great designs but made with cheap parts that are designed to last 8 years max. Basically a rip off! I think anyone buying the latest electric cars albiet with a large discount will find they enjoy it and will have more money in their pocket over the time they own it. But as so many people are so fickle and spoiled, they want a new one every two or three years! If it ain't broke stick with it!
I've had rear brakes replaced, 2009 petrol car, low milage, original tyres replaced last year, used engine braking, discs get rusty very quickly! There is a lot of obfuscation regarding EVs, London is putting up the congestion charge for ALL vehicles in 2025. It's the classic "bait and switch".
If brake issues with EVs really is a systemic issue the solution is probably a software change to make the car apply the brakes occasionally, even where regen would have been sufficient. This could be simple over the air update, at least for teslas. So the manufacturers just need to be persuaded, with data, that this is a real issue. Then the claims of disk lasting 100k miles will not be contentious
My Mini electric had a 3 year inspection recently. It's done 18k miles, none motorway. Brakes are 10% worn on the front and 20% on the rear and they've cleaned up since year 2. So, it's looking like the car will need one pad/disc change during it's life as things stand.
To buy an expensive and rapidly depreciating EV when you 'do not do many miles' is stupid, your 'fuel may be cheap' if you can charge at home. but if the car is losing £10K a year you are mad, just imagine how much petrol £10K would buy - answer is = enough to travel over 70,000 miles at 45mpg
If cars are sold multiply then the number of cars sold has not increased. Simple Maths says if you sold 10 cars last year and sales have increased 140% then you have sold 24 cars this year but if all the cars have been sold x2 the sales have only gone up 70% and if like these it’s x3 then it’s only increased 45% so the true increase is between 30 and 45% hardly record breaking.
A lot of people got duped into buying an ev by lies like cheaper charging (fuel), cheaper maintenance and a good resale value. The reality is theyre only cheap if you charge at home. If you make any trips or need to charge during the day or cant charge at home for any reason theyre just as expensive or more expensive than ice. Maintenance charges are lower initially but part availability and accessibility to qualified service technicians has greatly inflated repair costs and pray the battery pack isnt damaged as that will spike any repairs. If you can even get the battery pack repaired or replaced. If the battery pack catches on fire pray the car only destroys itself. The secondary market for ev is almost non existant. Even if you keep the car expect it not to last more than 10 years. Tech is evolving quickly and even newer evs have had trouble replacing batteries as they become outmoded.
Its different here in China (Shanghai/suzhou) I would not go back to ICE I travel 4k km each month mostly highway - cost too high to.have ICE, model Y LR, we have good home charging - 4p kw/hr 9p kw/hr outside high power is available everywhere, we also have an.MG Cyberster our home charging bill two cars 15 GBP per month
Top guy - always worth visiting to hear his take. I bought another used diesel a few months back (and that’s me sorted for a few more years of reliable motoring), but I’m still really fascinated seeing the goings on surrounding this mad push for universal battery EV adoption. (It’s a total ‘Car Crash’ LOL 😜)
@@oneeyedgirl617 Many thanks. There is much to think about and after a quick search it would appear that there are many variables affecting battery life. Nevertheless, the technology seems to be advancing rapidly.
About 2 out of 3 new cars sold in the UK are registered to companies, As we know, there are big advantages for companies and employees in terms of 'benefit in kind' P11D taxes when taking an EV. So there is a big chunk of new EV registrations likely on fixed term lease deals with heavy penalties for early termination (2 to 3 year first owner). The private buyer registration of EV's has fallen in the UK for the first time and the establishment is concerned that all the 'early adopters and 'Low hanging fruit' has been had. Hence the massive hype going on to try and overcome certain operational realities in the market. Lets face it, selling cars so quickly after purchase means you bought the wrong car and as with several of your examples, several people bought the same 'wrong car'. My local non franchise car dealer has stopped taking EV's in part exchange having seen "the market value fall away beneath the stock" (His words not mine). I love the driving experience of EVs but we are nowhere near 'there' yet. And selling them on the eco / green / tree hugging agenda is more than a travesty.
I am very happy with my Tesla Model Y. I get in it and enjoy driving it. It has a hifi system that is better than any overpriced harmon kardon in a BMW. It has a very intuitive sat nav. It starts playing my Spotify from the very second I open the car door. Charging is a piece of piss and not once have I felt I was going to be stuck. A service after two years was wipers and a cabin filter, for £140. It is fast, smooth and quiet. Quite possibly the best car ive ever had but OK it doesn't have the pose factor and interior quality of a BMW if thats important. Brake pads from BMW were £300 fitted. The prestige car brands are ripping the UK punters off so it's about time they got something serious to think about and Tesla are certainly doing that.
Is it a company car? Well, at least your service was half the price of the Renault Zoe in this video, but still - £140 for wiper blades and a cabin filter?!?!
@@hunchanchoc8418 It is not a company car. I think the equivalent of £1.40 a week is on service costs is fine but im sure I could have saved a bit fitting the wipers myself, booked online on the app and completed on my driveway by the technician. Its someone else's time to drive to my property, beats sitting in a dealership.
If the EV was a viable solution, the government wouldn't need mandates and legislation to force their sale.
I didn't think of it like that before. But you are correct.
Good point.
Petrol heads suffer from Stockholm syndrome
They just love spending their cash on fuel, just like smokers
EV's are a viable solution for a lot of people, for which there is no reason to force sales. In fact, forcing the sales has worsened the appearence of EV's as a solution, so hindered sales long -term.
@@mikewhitehead50 I nearly signed up for an EV almost two years ago. But it proved too difficult to install a home charger for me. I have a shared car park area and the body corporate wasn't sure if they could allow a charger to be installed. So I left it. Also the cost to install the charger was nearly £3k+ for me.
This popped up whilst doomscrolling at 4am . I don't have an EV, nor do i expect to have one in the near future. I recently managed 59mpg on a 650 mile , day trip, in my Mk4 Tdi Golf, which cost me a grand, 4 years back. I could still sell the car easily for 800 quid privately. That is the whole point of me not needing an EV. I have nothing against them, but i hate the narrative push and lack of equal footing.
I was doing 200 plus miles a day in my old job untill a couple of months ago, a diesel is a must if your motorway munching miles. If youre doing the miles around town a hybrid ioniq will get you 60-80mpg (50 on the motorway) so the complete operative to a diesel, that's why they are popular with taxi drivers.
However I'm now working from home and if I need an office in the future it will be close to home, so I'm doing about 200 a week, so for the first time in my life I'm thinking of an EV. Given my few miles I do a week now is 90% country lanes, I'm really tempted by the Cupra born. It will do 250miles (ish) and it drives well and it's hot enough hatch for me and my narrow roads. A 6 second to 60 is enough for me, the handling is more important. And of course the deal on the Cupra I've been offered works.
I've got to make a decision by tomorrow. And I think I'm gonna pull the plug.
@@spanishpeaches2930 youre driving a heap of ass mk4 golf dude, you could get by today with a £70 dirt cheap android phone but would you want to?💀
@@iCozzh ...well, after 150,000 miles, the ..heap of ass..Golf 2003 is still going fine. Why would i need to spend on a new car? It's still in decent condition . Also, you are correct, my new android phone..Samsung Galaxy S10plus has recently replaced my old S10plus, which i bought new, but two years after the model came out in 2020. I still switch lights on and off when i leave the room..that might bother you too. I prefer not to throw away any money on depreciating goods just to look up to date and cool...that attutude is a load of w4nk in my books...i have managed to pay off my mortgage and buy another house to rent out. Better things to spend money on.
So during your day trip you spend 10 hrs driving ?
@@xperyskop2475 more...drove from just south of Chelmsford, up to Glasgow University then back down to Leeds. It was a long day.
Remove the EV mandate and let the market dictate, not politicians!
And remove oil subsidies too ? , yes I agree . Let’s have a level playing field .
Half the oil industry subsides and put that money into reducing EV prices, providing infrastructure and home charging facilities and then let the market decide. Waking up in the morning to car full of energy costing me 1/5 of my petrol bill, and not having to go to petrol station. I fill up my car whilst I sleep.
True, it doesn’t make loud guttural noises, but seeing the BMW in your rear view mirror after pulling away from most traffic lights still makes you smile even when it gets boring after a few weeks.
@@Banyan314 the thing is you are looking in at yourself and expecting that the same scenario fits all. It doesn't and it is wrong for governments to force people into something that doesn't work for them. That is called communism, fascism, etc.
@@daveb2wright An interesting idea but governments do that all time, through the implementation of laws and regulations. Our government, voted into power by the "majority" of of us, are given a mandate, by their election into office, to "tell us what to do ". That is the point of government, otherwise we'd have anarchy. The means by which they help us comply with the laws and regulations range from jail to subsides and tax breaks, and numerous other means in between. Far from being Communism or Fascism, this is how democracy works. we can only hope that governments know what they are doing based on sound evidence and a respect for the people they govern.
@@Banyan314 Interesting how you believe we live in a democracy in the UK?
Also, the 4th of July's general election was the second lowest turnout in history, since 1918.
By all means, let these things be available. Don't make them compulsory.
These things as you call them will save kids longs or people who suffer ashtma.And Iam not an evangelist.I drive an E.V and yes nothing is perfect Simon.
@@foppo100 there is a place for them, its true- in landfill
We moved away from horses a century ago yet you can still ride one if you want.
You will always be able to use ice vehicles but like horses they won't be practical.
Think of EVs like mobile phones. Not many wanted the early ones but now almost every normal person wants and has one.
@@foppo100Untrue. Vehicle exhausts are so clean that deleting private cars makes no measurable difference to health risks.
Source: I’ve been a researcher in respiratory diseases for 40 years and also worked on air pollution in the 1990s.
@GT380man
Please please please contact Geoff buys cars. He wants to interview you. As does browncarguy...
no problem with petrol stations for me, but then again ive got an immune system that appears too work.
I worked homecare during all of the convid. Petrol went down to 99p a litre early on. Didn't have prob.
Strange isn't it that its only ever sick people who get sick, its almost exactly as if bacteria and "viruses" are completely superfluous mechanisms, how can they "make" you sick if you're already sick 🤔
I had no problems at petrol stations during Covid- what ones were you going to? However that isn’t my comment Barrie. A friend leased a BMW i3 a while ago. She was on paper an ideal EV owner nearly all local journeys with a weekly 20 mile trip to her sons who has a home charger. But there were several occasions where she needed to go somewhere in a hurry, her dad was taken ill, her cat needed an urgent trip to the vet and each time there was not enough charge as she had just been using the car. She is now in a petrol BMW and the milk float is going back to the lease company. She says she will never own another. This is being replicated all over the country.
Her song had a home charger.Ther lies the problem.The EV.s are fine, lack of charging infrastructure is the problem.Have I got this wrong?They aren't milk floats are they have you driven one.
@@foppo100 I have news for you....
EVs have been around nearly as long as ICE cars, and there is a reason most people preferred an ICE car. Just pick up your keys, start it up and go anywhere, at any time, with luggage/passengers, whatever the weather....you can park it up at the airport, go do winter sun for 6 weeks, get back and start it up and off home immediately.
EVs have a place......short journeys, no weight, decent weather....for everything else it`s ICE....and that is the reason EV pervs seem to have what they call a `spare car`, which breezes everything the EV cannot deal with. Also, the reason Hybrids are selling so well, especially Toyotas. Record profits for Toyota last year....they called it correct.
You do lose convenience with an EV. EVs were the first cars in the 1800's and they failed to take off then.
@@foppo100I do agree about milk floats, I haven't seen a battery milk float since the 80's they are all diesel vans.
@@enrobsorussell Yep and VW got it wrong
Some of the major problems with BEVs are not the car itself. It's the way they're being sold. Many salespeople don't know much about the car, whether ICE or EV. If you ask about something specific, they'll give you a generic or guessed answer times 9 out of 10. You'll get away with this with ICE cars, but not with EVs as there are fundamental differences.
The people who sell them need to understand them, they are not as flexible as ICE in our (UK) environment. You need to understand how the batteries work, how the charging works, the differences in the charge connectors and charge service. I've helped countless people with their new shiny EV at the charging stations at service stations remove the little cover underneath the AC part of the charger socket to reveal the DC part so that could charge 10x quicker for example.
Let the market decide, educate people and not rely on salespeople to do it, because for the majority, their sole goal is to sell and there isn't the margin to teach as well.
I've had an BEV since 2015 - first on a lease for 2 years, so impressed with it, I bought another and I've had that since 2015, same EV, saved hundred each month. But I actually take the effort to learn the tech, its advantages and pitfalls. For our use case it's been perfect.
What about battery life? Or how many times have I had to change the battery? Range?
SOH, state of health it has lost one bar from 12. Range 90 miles down to 82 miles.
Same battery after 10 years use (I bought it 2nd hand).
How much did it cost you ask? £9500 over three years at 0% interest on HP. I get to keep the car, not the stupid borrow the car for £500 over 36 months or whatever, 6 months 'deposit' which you don't get back, so that's cost you £21k and you've got nothing to show for it.
How much is it worth now? Around £3k. So £6500 over 9 years and it saved me loads on fuel, tax and servicing. Not too shabby I think.
5 owners on a car with less than 20k miles. Instant red flag.
Also that service invoice, I pay almost the same for my ICE car.
Basically 5 owners saying they're shite😂
I work with a few EV sheep….one of them bought a ev for 27,000….just 3500 miles later it’s online value is 12k….he’s also saying how he’s got to pay 190 for road tax next year….good job he saved a few pennies on charging ..LOL 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yes, 'pennies'. I saved almost three grand last year 😅
@@StaggerLee1468 oooooh but you charge your car at home and return home before you have to pay the costs at charge points. What a dull life that is bro. ALso go look at what you paid on top for it being an EV against its ICE counter part, at least 3K and then look at the lack of a second hand market and the depreciation... oh sh*t you got mugged in the thousands!
Horses for courses.
My nissan leaf paid for itself in fuel savings. But I didn't spend a fortune on it in first place .
@@StaggerLee1468 How much did it deprecate..? chap above has lost £15,000 🤣 ……he’s done 3500 miles….my car would cost just £460 to fuel to do 3500 miles…..sheep are easily controlled and manipulated 😳
@JB12132 hahaha nothing dull about 544hp my friend
I think the 1st and possibly 2nd and 3rd owners are dealerships, pre registered and then moved around to make it seem like they are meeting the EV sales targets .
Dealerships dont usually license the cars. They have special dealer plates they can use that are swapped between cars as needed. They dont buy the cars from the factory. They lease them until theyre sold only paying for the time theyre held.
@@supernova743 I think they registered them to avoid the £15k fine per vehicle short of the green targets .
Barrie you’re doing a good job, don’t pay attention to bad comments it’s just UA-cam, thanks for the video
All the 3 year old ownerships are ex-leases.
Spot on as usual. Thanks for the honesty.
Except it's lies
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I have heard that no photgraph means that the car simply does not exist, they are rigging the market to try and boost sales.
I bought a 30kW Leaf two years ago for 15k, cant sell it privately and nobody will take it PX.
You've got it up for too much money then.
@@markrainford1219 OK instead of losing £11k in two years I’ll just lose £11.5k.
That's because it's worthless. Scrap it and buy a diesel.
@@andrewwaller5913 Gee do you think?
@@markrainford1219That doesn’t explain lack of willingness to take it in p-ex.
you are doing a great job Barrie!! exposing the hypocrisy! of the EV eveangelist movement!
@jgtemperton People who 100% mindset on ruining the car industry as we know it thats Evangelists mate!!
@jgtemperton who are they? I don't know anyone who bought an EV to save the planet and most have a ice or had an ice they loved
@@mickjoebillsPeople buy evs for lower running costs and a rolls royce like wafting experience. I bought my model S for that exact reason. Still got my GTR,s2000 and evo for the weekends.
@@alundavies5171
The car legacy industry seems to exist to pay dividends to investment companies.Damnably poor about investing in technology. Seem to be in the process of cutting their own throats.
The workers will eventually feel betrayed, if not already. Damned shame.
@jgtemperton The people that think just because an EV suits them that it MUST be suitable for everyone else. Another video someone mentioned charging at home after taking the kids to school... So not someone that needs to travel for their job or a decently long commute every day.
Show me an electric car that costs sub £3000 that will tow a 1250kg caravan 300 miles and still have more than 1/4 of it's charge remaining.
+1 Barrie. About 3 months ago, I looked at getting an EV as a 2nd car for school runs etc. The cheapest decent exmaple was about £4000. I ended up buying a well looking after, FSH etc 2013 1.6 diesel for £2000 that returns over 50mpg . Looking now on autotrader, similar EVs to what I looked at in June are about £3000. So £1000 in depreciation in 3 months. Ouch.
@@wileywilson beware of low miles in a diesel. They don’t do well for short journeys pottering around. Get DPFs clogged up and the fuel economy tanks due to the. Taking ages to warm up. Petrol is a much better option for short trips than diesel.
@@salibaba Easily fixed. Do some long trips on a regular basis. It's not the end of the world to sort.
@@andrewwaller5913 I had to go to the motorway each and every weekend due to DPF warning lights on a golf diesel. Not my idea of how I want to spend a Saturday morning.
that was the actual "remedy" offered to my father in law here in Germany by the local VW shark. That's all you'll get. The fault in DPF cars is a design flaw that manufacturers did anyway. The costs of dealing with it are given to customers/victims.
All sounds perfectly sensible to me Barrie, but we dont live in a sensible world (in he west) and the last thing a lot of people want to admit is when they have been conned - just like with the all time biggest Con ever; they will do the bidding of those that conned them rather than see the real picture. All the best from Aotearoa
In 2 cars household having EV is massive cash saver if you can charge at night at cheap tariff.
So yes, it's dependent on your personal circumstances
I help out at a car pitch, we sell 50-60 cars a month. We don’t take EV’s in Px at all. I probably talk about EV’s to 50% of customers, most simply just don’t want to own one. Our cars are £5k to £11k and we are so busy each month it’s crazy. We have around 45-50 cars on the pitch so the stock turn is massive. Living in northern England with thousands of terraced houses. It’s impossible to park outside your own house, my ex lives in one with her new hubby and my daughter. They can have 4 cars to park up and never outside your own house, how they going to charge 4 cars. It’s simply not going to work going all electric.
@andrewbaron8713 I assume you guys up north have street lights, and I assume terraces are at least from 1980, so you have proper thick wires going to lampposts. You can have a charger every 2 - 4th lampposts
@@xperyskop2475 I think you mean 1880 to 1920’s. Thats when they were built.
Thanks Barrie I found this very informative and balanced. Came here from Geoff Buys Cars.
That’s my aim thanks for watching
@@BarrieCrampton It was seeing you with Geoff that brought me here too
@@thejamesieboy thankyou
Spot on Barrie!! Needs much more coverage!
"Yeah i killed him but look at the energy i saved", LOL
thats really what it boils down to, do i want to be a hazard on the road and save electricity, or do i want to travel safe with my family
Great content Barrie, keep at it. Common sense and facts are not in fashion just now as EVs are a religion and neither feature in religion.
We have a Nissan Leaf, and before that, we had a Nissan Leaf for 3 years. The first one needed front tyres at 18k, but apart from that, it was faultless. We also have a diesel Passat for long journeys. EVs are okay if you can charge at home, but they get expensive if you need to charge elsewhere. Interesting video and thanks for sharing.
I've got an EV and I love it, an q4 etron. Brilliant car and much much better than the ICE Audis I've had in the past. I've also got an ICE car, I love both. An ev on its own wouldn't suit my needs now. My EV is also through a company scheme....I don't think I would buy one outright with my own money as the depreciation seems excessive. That said, it's an incredible car at an incredible price that I love driving.
How many contradictions do you want to make in one statement 🫣
I don't see any contradictions at all.
They like both of their cars as cars.
At this point in their life, the Audi wouldn't meet all of their needs.
Presumably because of the perceived depreciation issue, they wouldn't buy one with their own money. That doesn't make the Audi not a great car.
So where the multiple contradictions?
So you love it and hate it at the same time 😂
@@andrewwaller5913what makes you think I hate it? It's great, I love it
@@abbottsadventures Cost? Range? Time to charge ?
Your not allowed to tell the truth about electric vehicles though. Mate just handed his notice in because the company only gave him the choice of electric for his next vehicle. He often does site visits in the winter and has pulled into fuel stations on fumes for the journey home at the end of the day. The thought of fighting for a charger at the services did not appeal.
Another mate got electric vans for their deliveries, OK when your sub 40 miles around and into the City but not when you need to drive 65 miles to the first customer and then around that City, not enough charge to make it back to base or home being virtually flat by the last customer.
Companies making silly choices because of the incentives.
Im an electronic engineer and having spent over 50 years repairing electronic and electrical equipment I would never ever get into the monstrous scheme of the EV. They are an utter horror story. They are as someone in UT says a milk float despite the fancy wrapping. Why the hell would I want one!
Quiet, extremely cheap to run if you can charge overnight. My insurance this year has dropped and despite popular belief at over 3 years old it still has 100% battery health and hasn’t had any faults not not caught fire.
@@davepfizer fun and easy to drive, quiet, charge conveniently at home over night for next to nothing. Negatives having to stop for 30mins to charge on long distances but never so those.
I can see the con now, is if you have an EV, you can't get a battery health check from a non dealer. That's how they'll keep the money coming to them. And as the car is connected to the internet, they can black mark the car if it isn't taken to a main dealer.
@@koolerking440 strange I can see my battery health with a simple OBD2 dongle
An indicator for battery health is the range the vehicle states it has at a given state of charge.
Obd dongle and car scanner app. Stop spreading rubbish
@@graham5649 and have you done this with an EV?
Yes, many sites will show you how. Same for ice, shows faults etc
I live in Norway and the used car market here is flooded with low km EVs that aren’t selling. Used petrol and diesel cars are going up in value.
A colleagues mother bought an EV, when it went in for a service the cost was the same as her previous ICE car, when she asked how come? She was told “ the dealership costs are identical ie, rates insurance salaries electricity etc so the service costs the same or the dealership goes broke. It’s economics innit.
@@stephensalt6787 my service is about the same but only once every few years rather than every year on an ICE. And even then I did the past service myself for about £40 as it was just filter changes.
carmarket generally knackerd at the moment
I just priced up a new night heater in my motorhome , he pushed me for a fully loaded solar system with Lithium batteries at £5000 , Ok hardware I can see but £75/hr at £1800 for a 24 hr labour ?? Work = cost of living it seems to me ?
Love ♥ these video's ; Tech., statistics , research [ like I do ] , and common sense honesty - " not getting ripped off " a superb different slant to the great Geoff Buys Cars .. thank you 👏👏👏🎬. G. [Chartered Engineer].
I love the facts Barrie, thanks for the info, truly appreciated.
Glad you enjoyed!
Totally agree with you on EVs and all the associated issues around them which have primarily been caused by those in power with an agenda to push, I have nothing against an EV just don’t suit what I want from a car!
Absolutely, thanks for watching 👍
There's some very keenly price Chinese cars on the market a couple of years of this will bring the whole ev project to natural conclusion.
And what do you think will happen? Mmm?
The Chinese are well known for making attractive looking things that are insufficiently constructed for long life. The Chinese EVs might be wonderful for the first year or so. Then the quality shortcuts will become apparent and the vehicles will be worth nothing, as the next generation EVs will be available, and those will be more attractive still.
Badly made and a fire risk. No thanks
@@henrytudor7058 What Chinese products do you own that are more than 10 years old ? Think about it.
Do you think another reason these five year old cars are changing hands so regular is due to the owners realising the battery range has hugely fallen. And have you seen the report of one of these automotive EV’s killing a man when it drove straight throw a brick wall on a fourth floor of a car park ?.
I think its more the battery tech and charging speeds have moved on.
i did see that but to be fair i once had a guy drive threw the showroom window so im guessing it was perhaps pilot error
@@BarrieCrampton
Mguy Australia reported this and he said there had been a recall on that model for the same fault
And seen reports of ice cars driving off multi storey car parks and jettys.
If you're going to post things like this, please include a link to the article, otherwise it's meaningless conjecture. Without that, it's just a case of "some bloke on a UA-cam channel said his brother knew someone who overheard somebody in the pub say ....."
@@gilbert7794 those cars will be subscription cars which have now been de-fleeted due to the rental company going under
The cost of servicing is more an indictment of the garage trade than EV failings to be honest.
How are they going to make money if they don’t need services.
0:41 0:45 You pay your money, you make your choice. But lets not pretend were saving the planet.
At 5:00, the guys who do 70 photos drive me nuts and I purposely scroll past them, it’s far too many and not relevant. Then they insert pointless graphic adverts about their business into the list, as I say I move straight on.
that is your choice, but you are in a minority, people want personal videos these day as well
@BarrieCrampton I didn't mention personalized videos, I said 70 photos of cars are pointless, often 5 images of a door handle. But if you think it helps great.
Often a photo of every screen on the infotainment system can seem pointless. Sometimes it's the best way to show the spec a car has is to photo the buttons and features etc
Great video Mr. EV Sherlock. I once did a test drive in a Tesla Model 3. My dislikes and no go's: you always have to push the gas pedal even when you go down a slope, the GPS internal system was not aligned with the turns I had to take, the milage left was misleading, I was losing power far more quickly, no FSD support in Europe yet, and lastly no Apple Car Play support. And then the high electricity prices combined with the poor trade in values, makes me want to wait a few more years at least.
When have you driven an ice car which can accurately tell you how many miles you have left in your tank?
I don't know about Teslas but my EV has two regen settings. On the milder setting it drives just like an ice car with an auto transmission.
I believe that satnav systems are in ice cars too. The accuracy of a satnav is nothing to do with the fact that it's an EV.
So you had a test drive in a Tesla once, and didn't like it, so all EVs are rubbish.
Good thing your first experience of food wasn't bad.... 😂
@@rugbygirlsdadg I did not mention they are all rubbish, just wanted to share my test drive experience, I hope you have more luck and enjoy your (future) EV.
Learn hypermilling for instance put the car in neutral going down hill for instance 😮
Hi Barrie if I understand correctly you suggest the regen system on EVs can render the brakes less effective over time (you mention someone possibly being killed at 17:14 and later in the video). However, you mention looking to buy an I-Pace and say EVs can be the best car you have ever driven/no brainer in the right circumstances. I’m trying to reconcile these two viewpoints and understand does this mean you do not use the regen system on EVs you drive. Also, do you advise buyers of any EVs you sell not to use the regenerative system given the serious concerns you mention. Finally, do you know if there is any data to show increased accident rates for EVs as a result of poorer braking performance or just more generally. I couldn’t find any. Thanks.
Not to mention that regen braking uses the motor, not the brake system
On my EV, when I drive off, if the vehicle had not been driven in the last 6 hours then the regen is deactivated for the first few miles. My discs have no rust on the friction face. This is just a software solution that could be used on all EVs. !
@@chrisweight7742"uses the motor"? What are you implying with that "not too mention"?
I'm confused.
@@djtaylorutube Just that regenerative braking actually insures that the brake pads and disks are actually used far less than in an ICE car - the electric motor does the braking in this scenario, so where the author of the video here has stated in other videos that regenerative braking has a exaggerated negative effect on brake disks, this is actually not the case. Lots of decent sources of info out there out how regen actually works, don't need to take my word for it!
@@chrisweight7742 Ok, I haven't listened to what he said, another echo chamber of opinion no doubt.
The brake disk thing is easy, just use the pedal hard a few times occasionally. End of issue.
Electric company car driver. It was forced on me as no ice alternative. 114,000 miles in less than four years.
I wouldn't buy an electric car with my money. Not a chance.😂
I guess you didn't pay for fuel to travel 114,000 miles. The reality is the person who was responsible for your transport had the smarts to figure out the savings in fuel expenses were worth the capital expense of an EV!
@@mickjoebills I certainly did pay for the fuel and had to reclaim at HMRC advisory rates currently 7p per mile while I can be paying up to 80p per kilowatt hour on public chargers.
Just bought a second hand Mini electric.
Fantastic town car. I charge it from my home solar panels ( live in cape town)
Not a car for everybody but fits my needs very very well. I love it!
Sounds ideal
I hope you're not away from home when load shedding kicks in and need to charge your batteries.
Barrie. I’m picking up a Mitsubishi Shogun 2011 with 55,000 on the clock on Saturday to replace my Mitsubishi Outlander Phev. Why? Because I’m fed up with crawling along pulling my caravan holding people up because it’s having to carry a ton of batteries around. At least I won’t be hanging around in the Shogun….. Great Vids.
Thanks, enjoy 👍
Thanks Barrie. It's a slightly long video to what I normally watch, but you have presented evidence well and I have learnt a few things also from your video. I wish other people were open minded rather than being biased and are able to see the facts you are presenting like I am. Thank you for making this video.
Thank you for watching
Hi Barry, do a video on hybrids please.
We have an Audi A3 etron and it’s going well for now but I do see the brake issue you mentioned being a cost soon. It is 8 years old TBF.
Thanks
Depreciation of EV’s is ridiculous. Repair work and insurance off the scale.
Batteries cost more than the value of the car which is totally unsustainable
⚠️Regen drivers need to turn off regen at least once a week to keep the discs clean ⚠️
It's not rocket science
Yeah, I just choose to brake with the left peddle every-so-often. That seems to do the trick. EV owner for 3 years, brakes are 10% worn at the front and 20% worn at the rear. They work fine.
This happens automatically
@esm7708 obviously not working very well then is it.
We are changing rusty brakes on these week in week out 😆
@@julesviolin well on my car it's fine. Week in week out? I thought no one was buying EVs. What make are you referring to?
My 11 yrs old Nissan leaf’s original brake disc is still as shining as new after 93k miles of driving. Regenerate braking works like engine braking, it is less effective at low speed, under 10mph it still needs to engage brake pad to stop the car, so brake pad is still used, just use less. The rusty brake disc is more likely caused by parking in moist place for prolonged period of time, not use of regenerate braking.
I am not sure the situation in UK, but here in US within 500 miles range there are 5501 used EVs listed for sale in auto trader, but 5220 of them are listed by dealers, so only 5% of them are listed by private seller, compared to near 1 million EV registration in the same area, only tiny amount of EV owners are selling their cars.
The force being overcome when moving objects from rest, is called static friction.
stiction as I call it
Brakes- obviously should be able to switch regen off. Plus regen PLUS brakes stop a car, not just regen. Point is not enough brakes so causing more rust.
Great summary Barrie. As always, spot on 🎯.
The biggest review of EV drivers said 90% would not go back to piston cars.
From an EV shill website, on EV owners who follow an EV shill, what were you expecting 😂
@@BarrieCrampton well I know of 30+ people from various company’s who have had electric company cars in the last year who have said it’s the best car the’ve ever had and “love it”. I’ve not heard 1 say there is any issues with them. Some are doing 4k miles a month and are rarely public charging. A few of these people had previously said they would never have an EV and now just gush over them.
@@scottwills4698 30 people 😂 are you in a club?
@@BarrieCrampton lol! No, I just don’t understand the anti EV rhetoric when all I hear from people who own them is good things. Maybe it’s a knowledge issue. One of my customers planned to buy 18 Skoda Enyaq 60’s for their apps department. I mentioned that the quoted range wasn’t what was stated and they would lose more in the winter without a heat pump. They took my advise and bought Enyaq 80”s (then 85”s) with heat pumps and have had no issues. The manager said “they have been hugely successful” can you imagine doing 3-4k miles a month in a Enyaq 60 in the winter without a heat pump? It would have been a disaster.
It’s swings and roundabouts. Obviously the idea that they’ll suit everyone is a fallacy. They’ll suit me now, I’m retired, probably do around 60 miles a week, able to charge at home and longer trips my bladder won’t last more than 3 hours max, so stopping for a top up isn’t an issue. I’d lease anyway, so not bothered about whole life or depreciation costs as such. A diesel is no use to us given our mileage and I calculated that on our French holiday trips, the right EV would cost us no more in time, given the stops we make anyway, when charging. Not ruled out another hybrid or a plug in, will just ultimately settle for what suits us best overall.
Good video, I know someone who had an Ev van, had to charge it twice a day, has gone back to Diesel.
To support the service networks the manufacturers will always insist on services; if the braking system were entirely electric the schedule would still call for an electrical systems download for safety reasons and then would add operation and condition inspections. Et voila, suddenly a £350 invoice.
Kia offered me 2 services and 2 mots for £500 I didn’t think that was too bad. It’s the brakes they need to check as an EV doesn’t use them very much.
Barrie, thanks for your video. I've learnt a lot, as im looking for a bargain quality used EV. Quick question on regen. Would the advice be to remember to use your brakes regularly, i.e., once a week, to avoid brake corrosion?
Best turn regen down if you can, the car drives better and your brakes work as they should do
I've had my Yaris for 12 and a half years from new. It seems funny that owners only keep their car for a few months before getting rid. Either they don't like it or there is something wrong with it. Those are the only 2 options.
The divorce rate is high in the UK because of serial divorcers. The sales of EVs are high because the same cars are being serially sold.
If ICE vehicles were the new technology and EVs the old, and even at equal equivalent retail values, I think that new EVs would be a thing of the past within 6 months! A great, fully informed and HONEST view of the real situation, giving some facts which I haven't heard before. Thanks so much Barrie for the information - should be helpful for those contemplating purchasing of their first EV to perhaps think again!!
Dealers, manufacturers, and the EVangelists getting spooked, so trying to manipulate the market ;-) Keep up the good work, Barrie!
I was of the understanding that dealers list cars on Autotrader to manipulate prices, why would they need photos?
They all look the same anyway. One Tesla from 2016 is the same as 2024 😂
@@andrewwaller5913 Or VW, Audi etc...
Hardly went to a petrol station during covid as didn’t need petrol because I didn’t have anywhere to go. I do remember though some guy going absolutely crazy as I didn’t have my mask on outside with virtually no-one around. Maybe that would have persuaded me to go electric - for 5 minutes anyway!
Matt Hancock and Chris Whitty have a lot to answer for. At least Whitty has now admitted mistakes.
I wonder how long it will take the government to admit that battery cars are not a viable alternative
@@twig3288 Stalin Starmer admit to lies? Nah you misheard him or he was talking about something else or... well any old excuse to whitewash over the lies.
We should call him Pinocchio Stalin Starmer.
I did have a e Golf. I wanted to trade back to Petrol. Ford would not take it in part ex. They said that they would not take it as they could not test it with their ford equipment. Sold private and lost £300 total. I consider myself vey lucky. Now back to Petrol. Great to be back to i c e . Keep up the good work Barrie.
I totally agree honest. Brilliant informative and measured info you won't get anywhere else. Nice one
Nobody ever claimed that the EV fanboys had researched the whole life costs of their cars. From the intial purchase cost, then depreciation, repairs, tyres, eventual battery replacement etc. etc. Only now are the true costs becoming known - and the leasing companies will have been feeling that pain for a while.... A very well considered video, thanks Barrie.
On the regen issue, I think a lot of the brake issues are due to the fascination with one foot driving where the car will actually come to a stop without touching the brake pedal, my old MX doesn't have one foot driving so I still have to dab the brake pedal to stop, which keeps the pads and discs in check.
A man who talks sense !
Thank you
I might politely suggest that if the lady is that bad at managing the fuel state of her car, she'd have been completely knackered during a petrol tanker strike.
If you do 20 miles/week how low do you allow your state of charge to get and how far away is does the emergency have to be before it becomes an issue?
I liked listening to you. It's good to hear the ins and outs, a good learning experience.
Glad you enjoyed it!
That Renault Zoe - 2 wiper blades and a pollen filter: £299 please sir, thank you very much. Funking hell !! And "tune engine" ?!?!?!
diesel is king
I totally agree, lets see an EV do 600+ miles on a charge. On some recent trips I averaged over 60mpg which is not bad for a large family estate.
it wasn't with our BMW 2019 X3 2.0 Diesel. 12k depreciation in two years even though we bought it at 2 year old, m sport front brake pads £300. 32mpg. Ad blue failure £700. £560 road tax. Sluggish and ate tyres at £320 a corner. Replacement Volvo EV rocks, 400bhp, quiet, fast, cheap insurance, easy home charging. And as for old shitters, don't do those thanks.
@@WhiteDieselShedIs that another regular 10+ hour non stop journey?
I've never done that in my diesel either. I've driven to Madrid in our EV in an enjoyable way, taking the same approach and similar time that it would have taken us though.
I get that some people want to drive 10+ hours non stop though, eating sandwiches on the go, swapping drivers, pissing in a bottle...
My wife and I prefer to stop and eat using metal utensils. We leave the diesel at home, it's just for short local trips. Currently sitting with the battery on charge!
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@@djtaylorutube P in a bottle? Theres a caravan behind us with all the facilities of a hotel minus the bed bugs. I was a lorry driver so I don't need to go all day.
100% agree. 1200 km with a full tank. No queues when refueling.
Now I'm retired, the thought of going back to the expense of an ice car really did fill me with dread! I have a bus pass and an electric bike. I can manage without a car so I think I will do that. Hiring the one if needed is a much cheaper option.
I have Citroen Ami it won’t be as fast as your E bike but it’s warmer and drier
Is the disk corrosion solved by turning down regen settings ? i.e. we need to re-educate ourselves.
It is yes
Hi Barry couldn’t agree with you more about tyres. I bought an Audi E-Tron a year ago coming off a lease at 3 years old 19500 miles. Tyres looked fine plenty of tread, garage mot’d car failed need a new tyre. On collection cheap Roadx tyre, rest were conti’s.
Checked mot had failed to to tear on sidewall, also had advisories on both front Tyres again for tears.
After a discussion where I told them to stick their car, I got 4 new conti’s, last day of the month deal no doubt wanted the sale to go through.
Obviously weight of car reason for tears in sidewalls.
Brilliant insight into the realities of the motor trade. Fantastic. I think the real main problem with an EV is what happens when it's been parked up for a long period of time ?? the battery must surely deteriote, alongside the brake discs becoming rusty. I do understand that their is a push towards a different technology for transportation, but I am not convinced that EVs are the way forward. In fact, if they were, why are goods vehicles not battery operated ??
What do you think of a bmw i3 2020 I'm going from a e93 320i petrol I would love to here your thoughts
Brake fluid and aircon needs at 13,000 miles! I always knew if everyone had an ev, what would the service garage do. This answers it.
"Needed" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. 4 years is probably about right for brake fluid.
19:43 i would put a big bet on this car with the initial 3 year 28 owner, then a 4 month one, the initial owner put up with it cos it was on the motability scheme, so they was stuck with it for the 3 years.
Id also bet there is a lot of ev that follow a similar 3 year owner, then a short owner.
I loved petrol stations during the pandemic, no queues, not many people and petrol was cheaper than ever!!! And I've got an immune system which got a nice top up when people were around.
If you have the use case it's a good time to buy used however need to do the reliability and depreciation analysis really carefully. I bought my diesel when people ran the other way and likewise my jag svr when fuel prices were high. In my case its a third car just bought , 3 yrs old Mii electric which when combined with solar and EV tariff is basically saving me money (house and car) and effectively free when including all costs and hopefully wont pack up soon. It will never go outside its A to A range in my ownership as I have nicer better ICE motors for that. So it is possible to make a case but it's pretty niche have to say.
Keep it up Barrie!
The tyre shredding depends on how they are driven. Even with a Tesla my tyres were fine when I replaced it with a cheaper EV to save some of the rip off insurance con.
n it doesnt, there are cars with 7000 miles on and the tyres have just cracked, not worn out
Couple of points regarding brakes. The main issue with EV brakes is indeed surface rust build up on the discs, but when people do get issues with seizing causing poor operation, it's not usually calliper failure and you don't need to buy new callipers at huge cost! It's almost always the pads rusting in place at the contact point with the calliper causing the seizing, so cleaning properly when changing the pads and regular brake service will deal with this. The other point is, you don't have to use heavy regen all the time! Just turn it off, or minimise it regularly and use old school braking! This is what I do, and I've not had any issues with brake corrosion over the last 6+ years of driving EV's.
Brake seizures and bad discs on EV’s- after nearly 80000 miles on two EVs my tip is use your brakes every now and again. I do a lot of dual carriageway and motorway mileage which is different from mainly urban use where regeneration braking could do all the work-I think maybe that’s why. Plus ignorance on looking after your car. As a racing cyclist it’s been ingrained into me to check brake pads and braking surfaces, plus of course tyres.
Seems people nowadays are treating cars like appliances in the home- however your fridge can’t do 70mph…
Thanks Barry for another common sense video.
Barrie, Renault Zoes also vent the battery into the passenger compartment. So if you get a runaway battery you'll be dead from the toxic fumes before the fire gets you.
I will tell you why people are not px-ing their car at a dealership.... Because dealerships are offering such low prices for our cars. My example. BMW X1 23d M Sport Sunroof upgraded leather, 20" factory upgraded wheels bought brand new by myself. A 48.5k car when new. 9 months later BMW (Slackstones Silverlink Newcastle) offered me 28k for it with 3500 miles on the clock. 😳 The usual buying sites were offering between 32 to 34k. Still way under the market trade values imo. However I got a valuation off another site who then pestered me to use their site to sell my car for me probably the site you get a few of your cars from by way of putting your highest bid in 😉 you know the site i mean... However I said that i wouldn't be advertising my vehicle for 34.5k because you couldn't get one for less than 42k off AT at least. Granted that is the retail prices advertised on there and not trade prices. So I asked them to advertise my car for 38.5k which I was happy with. Yes 4k above their valuation and it sold within 24 hours of it being advertised. So these dealers are trying to screw over anyone who is wanting to sell them or px their car with them with their sole focus is on trying to sell new ev cars due to the pressures of the government to hit the 22% ev targets so they really do not want your ice px.
Don't you think all cars are a bottomless pit for taking your cash. Who cares what you drive as long as it works. The modern cars are great designs but made with cheap parts that are designed to last 8 years max. Basically a rip off!
I think anyone buying the latest electric cars albiet with a large discount will find they enjoy it and will have more money in their pocket over the time they own it. But as so many people are so fickle and spoiled, they want a new one every two or three years! If it ain't broke stick with it!
There ought to be software to use the brakes lightly during normal driving to keep the discs in serviceable condition.
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There are normally multiple regen levels.
If you choose a less "severe" one, the car will drive just like an automatic ice car.
I think tesla had that and ppl were noticing it happening and unnerving them from unexpectedly breaking
@@rugbygirlsdadg just get an automatic ice car then
There is.
I've had rear brakes replaced, 2009 petrol car, low milage,
original tyres replaced last year, used engine braking, discs get rusty very quickly!
There is a lot of obfuscation regarding EVs, London is putting up the congestion charge for ALL vehicles in 2025.
It's the classic "bait and switch".
If brake issues with EVs really is a systemic issue the solution is probably a software change to make the car apply the brakes occasionally, even where regen would have been sufficient. This could be simple over the air update, at least for teslas. So the manufacturers just need to be persuaded, with data, that this is a real issue. Then the claims of disk lasting 100k miles will not be contentious
Great insight... Thank you
My Mini electric had a 3 year inspection recently. It's done 18k miles, none motorway. Brakes are 10% worn on the front and 20% on the rear and they've cleaned up since year 2. So, it's looking like the car will need one pad/disc change during it's life as things stand.
To buy an expensive and rapidly depreciating EV when you 'do not do many miles' is stupid, your 'fuel may be cheap' if you can charge at home. but if the car is losing £10K a year you are mad, just imagine how much petrol £10K would buy - answer is = enough to travel over 70,000 miles at 45mpg
If cars are sold multiply then the number of cars sold has not increased.
Simple Maths says if you sold 10 cars last year and sales have increased 140% then you have sold 24 cars this year but if all the cars have been sold x2 the sales have only gone up 70% and if like these it’s x3 then it’s only increased 45% so the true increase is between 30 and 45% hardly record breaking.
A lot of people got duped into buying an ev by lies like cheaper charging (fuel), cheaper maintenance and a good resale value. The reality is theyre only cheap if you charge at home. If you make any trips or need to charge during the day or cant charge at home for any reason theyre just as expensive or more expensive than ice. Maintenance charges are lower initially but part availability and accessibility to qualified service technicians has greatly inflated repair costs and pray the battery pack isnt damaged as that will spike any repairs. If you can even get the battery pack repaired or replaced. If the battery pack catches on fire pray the car only destroys itself. The secondary market for ev is almost non existant. Even if you keep the car expect it not to last more than 10 years. Tech is evolving quickly and even newer evs have had trouble replacing batteries as they become outmoded.
Its different here in China (Shanghai/suzhou) I would not go back to ICE I travel 4k km each month mostly highway - cost too high to.have ICE, model Y LR, we have good home charging - 4p kw/hr 9p kw/hr outside high power is available everywhere, we also have an.MG Cyberster our home charging bill two cars 15 GBP per month
Top guy - always worth visiting to hear his take. I bought another used diesel a few months back (and that’s me sorted for a few more years of reliable motoring), but I’m still really fascinated seeing the goings on surrounding this mad push for universal battery EV adoption. (It’s a total ‘Car Crash’ LOL 😜)
thank you
How long do the batteries last? I would have assumed they'd be deteriorating quite a bit after 3 years.
@@oneeyedgirl617 Thanks for the reply. Have you some more information to share?
@@oneeyedgirl617 Many thanks. There is much to think about and after a quick search it would appear that there are many variables affecting battery life. Nevertheless, the technology seems to be advancing rapidly.
About 2 out of 3 new cars sold in the UK are registered to companies, As we know, there are big advantages for companies and employees in terms of 'benefit in kind' P11D taxes when taking an EV. So there is a big chunk of new EV registrations likely on fixed term lease deals with heavy penalties for early termination (2 to 3 year first owner). The private buyer registration of EV's has fallen in the UK for the first time and the establishment is concerned that all the 'early adopters and 'Low hanging fruit' has been had. Hence the massive hype going on to try and overcome certain operational realities in the market. Lets face it, selling cars so quickly after purchase means you bought the wrong car and as with several of your examples, several people bought the same 'wrong car'. My local non franchise car dealer has stopped taking EV's in part exchange having seen "the market value fall away beneath the stock" (His words not mine). I love the driving experience of EVs but we are nowhere near 'there' yet. And selling them on the eco / green / tree hugging agenda is more than a travesty.
I am very happy with my Tesla Model Y. I get in it and enjoy driving it. It has a hifi system that is better than any overpriced harmon kardon in a BMW. It has a very intuitive sat nav. It starts playing my Spotify from the very second I open the car door. Charging is a piece of piss and not once have I felt I was going to be stuck. A service after two years was wipers and a cabin filter, for £140. It is fast, smooth and quiet. Quite possibly the best car ive ever had but OK it doesn't have the pose factor and interior quality of a BMW if thats important. Brake pads from BMW were £300 fitted. The prestige car brands are ripping the UK punters off so it's about time they got something serious to think about and Tesla are certainly doing that.
Is it a company car? Well, at least your service was half the price of the Renault Zoe in this video, but still - £140 for wiper blades and a cabin filter?!?!
@@hunchanchoc8418 It is not a company car. I think the equivalent of £1.40 a week is on service costs is fine but im sure I could have saved a bit fitting the wipers myself, booked online on the app and completed on my driveway by the technician. Its someone else's time to drive to my property, beats sitting in a dealership.