Their maths is completely wrong. Works out at £4.90 to charge the mini overnight. £25. Their researchers meant to say they SAVED £25 on an overnight 7 p rate.
Hello Michael - just to clarify... We weren’t trying to dream up a scenario in which the electric Mini could do a 279-mile round trip without visiting a public charger. Its real-world range in the summer and when driven gently (another video we'll be posting in a few days) is around 210 miles. As Doug explains in the outro, the different costs we give assume only that final home charge was either at 22.4p/kWh or 7p/kWh. That still leaves the 24.8kWh top-up in Birmingham at 85p/kWh. So, at the current price cap... (24.8kWh @ 85p/kWh) + (56.0kWh @ 22.4p/kWh). Total cost = £33.63. And at a cheap overnight tariff... (24.8kWh @ 85p/kWh) + (56.0kWh @ 7p/kWh). Total cost = £25.03 We’re confident our calculations are correct. Clearly, if you were an owner only ever making shorter journeys and were able to do 100% of your charging at home then the charging costs would be lower. We do assume 100% home charging for the three-year cost calculation at 32.04, clearly showing the electric Mini can be much cheaper if owners are exclusively plugging in at home. Hope this helps.
Exactly, so inefficient and joke of an electric car, they should be producing something far better than that nowadays for that price. We have a 2019 ioniq which easily does 5-6 miles per kwh, this is one of the first generation of ev's! So almost doubles your savings compared to that mini
@@jonathanwest624I almost couldn't believe it when he said it had less than a 40kw battery, for that price. There are far cheaper choices for that size of battery. There are several better choices for that price.
@@TheAllMightyGodofCod Crazy to think my 2 year old 77kwh EV6 was only a couple of grand more than the Mini, and a second hand EV6 would now be 10k less than the mini.
@@IanMcc1000 indeed. For the same amount you could also buy I don't know, a Megane E-tech which would be more efficient and practical. A e-C4 which leave you with a lot of spare change and it's roomier. Probably a Niro? A e-Corsa or a e-208.. And a lot of far better options to use as a daily car. The mini is a bit limited... If you need to take people with you, it is not a practical car.
@@TheAllMightyGodofCod The EV3 starts at 37k that looks better than anny current Niro and beats the EV6 in some areas. I think the point of the mini is that they've managed to keep a lot of the fun by keeping it light. Fortunately a 40k MSRP will translate to about 30k at retail with discounts. Maybe 25k after 1 year year 10k miles.
30:22 Obvious conclusion: buy a several years used ev at the same price as used petrol car and continue with the lower running costs from there (if you have the means to charge at home)
Not so clear cut. Let use real example. A guy I know commutes daily, 60 miles one way, so 120 per day. Company has free charging installed for employees (as is more and more common). So rather than spending perhaps £300 a month on fuel, he can get a brand new EV effectively for free (apart from the deposit), as the fuel savings could exceed the monthly lease or PH payment. The deposit would be quickly offset due to no need to service (or fix) anything in an EV. A typical ICE car has thousands of moving parts (some cars over 10,000 moving parts), an EV half a dozen, with electric motor lasting a lifetime, and typically same with regenerative disk breaks. Minimum battery guarantee for new EV's is now at least 8 years. And with nothing to break in an EV, apart from tires needing more frequent replacement, this is a no brainer.
Concur, and it is tempting to think that if you are staying overnight with an EV, you would pick somewhere with free or cheap charging in the first place.
I basically make the exact same comment on all their other EV videos. They do it on purpose to make the EV look like a hassle. I've had an EV for 5 years and have never not been able to charge overnight when I needed to.
How often are you planning on staying at hotels so you can get free electricity? I'm guessing if we are looking at total cost of ownership occasions where you effectively got free fuel from a hotel would be essentially a rounding error
I have an F55 Cooper S and went to look at the new electric Mini last week. The interior quality is absolutely diabolical in the new car - nowhere near the level of the F54/55/56. Most other reviewers seem to be dazzled by tacky infotainment systems, so well done to you guys for calling this out. I initially wanted to like this new Mini, I wanted to replace my current one with the new one. But the huge step down in quality and styling, coupled with the pie in the sky pricing - I paid 23k 5 years ago for my well-specced Cooper S - it's a non-starter.
As a 2017 F56 owner, I’m really disappointed with the interior changes in recent models. The seats feel uncomfortable, the two rear cup holders are gone, and the front ones are poorly designed. Customization options are now limited to just three trims. MINI used to be a small luxury car, but now it’s all plastic. I’m 6'1", and my rear seats still get used regularly, so losing practical features like cup holders is frustrating. Most controls have been moved to a display, even though physical buttons are far safer for adjustments while driving. For many, MINIs are primary vehicles that need to balance fun with practicality and comfort, especially with rising living costs. MINI needs to rethink these changes and bring back more customization options. My 2017 model is fully customized, comfortable on long trips, economical, and always fun to drive!
Those costs are way off. 7p /kwh on an overnight tariff in a 5 hour window with octopus would cost £3.50 and would put in roughly 35kw of energy into the battery. The useable battery capacity of that mini is 49.2 kwh. So where on earth do you get £25.03 for 7p/kwh charging from? That would equate to 357 kw of energy into the battery? Get your figures correct before coming out with more confusing costs for people and making more EV propaganda.
I do around 600-700 miles a month (average about 8000 a year), my charging costs are around £15 a month or £180 a year, this is on EDF Go Electric at 8.9p, something is definitely off with their calculations.
As soon as I saw the costs on video at 29.30 I thought I'd go straight to the comments section here. This is a video by a major motoring journal organisation who specialize in practical motoring advice, how could the professional journalists and editorial staff not understand this basic error? I have an Ioniq, it does 5 Miles per KiloWatt Hour consistently, I charge at 7.5p per KwH overnight. If I went 250 miles I would use 50 KwH ...so multiply that by 7.5 pence and I would have spent £3.75? My annual fuel bill in my ICE car was £2,500 , its now less than £250 for my EV. I have a dedicated credit card for fuel so I can keep track of myself, the card provider wanted to know why I had stopped using the card 🙂
Well misleading on cost of charge. If he could have got home to charge he would have. He couldn't because didnt have range so no choice but to pay rates charged by service station chargers. Notice how the figure for that wasnt published
A more relevant test would be to compare the costs of charging at home 90% of the time and using it as a commuter car. People don't buy minis for road trips in the real world.
So true, most journeys are short distance charged from home (if you can). But longer journeys will be no cheaper than an ICE and probably more stressful. Most people want a car that can do both, it's just another factor to consider.
These guys always absolutely clueless on running costs of an EV lol. 36000 miles for the MAJORITY of EV owners will be approx (36,000 miles/3.5miles per kWh * 7.5p per kWh) + perhaps 60 quid a year in public charging= £771 + 3*60 = approx £950 over the 3 years. These guys declared approx 2100 or 2200 I believe? So over 100% out. And I feel like I've watched 3 or 4 of videos where they have tried to do example running cost calcs and every time there are miles out!
@@jamesraisonxnumpty did you not listen, they are absolutely spot on, all that burger grease during your shift at McDonald’s is destroying your brain cell
Ikr. Kia EV3 is larger, better controls in the cabin, has a WLTP of 379 miles, and for the middle spec, costs less than the Mini... Many many more, cheaper, better options - the cost is the Mini badge tax, I guess
As they pointed out, there's only £1,500 difference. If you charge at home at 7p only, they are the same price as the electricity is only £720 over 3 years. New cars are expensive now, and mini is more so
A bit mischievous using Instavolt charger, the most expensive in the UK. In the Birmingham area there are 3 Tesla sites that non Tesla can use. I used one last month in an ID3, and rather pay 85p per kWh, I only paid 35p.
And claiming 30.5 mpg when What Car’s own data is; The Cooper C officially averages 47.9mpg and the Cooper S 45.6mpg. It’s all BS for clicks, nothing more.
@@warnerswheelingabout4879 the official averages are usually always way off from the real world though and as they said they did high speed driving on the motorway and the backroads which surely was enough to tank the mpg figures down
@@warnerswheelingabout4879 They used real world measurements, not rated. They drove both vehicles in the same conditions at the same time. That is far more trustworthy than the ratings. Both vehicles got well below their rating with the 30.5 vs 47.9 and the 3.5 vs 4.7. Honestly the Petrol had the bigger hit in real world and yet was still the better value.
The nearest Tesla charger to me, West Yorkshire, is 20+ miles away so using what a large section of the public would have to use makes more sense. Petrol is now £1.32 around here, not the £1.47 they used.
Check out the real sales figures not what a mate says. "The share of petrol cars in UK sales fell to 52.2%, while sales of diesels have fallen from 31% of the market in 2018 to only 6.3% in 2024. Sales of hybrids, which combine a petrol engine and a smaller battery, have risen alongside electric cars." from the Society of Motor Manufacturers.
For those wondering, if you only charged on a 7p/kwh overnight tariff like Octopus Intelligent Go. 36,000 miles would cost £720. Bringing the final cost to £22,904. Which probably explains mini's pricing strategy. They effectively cost the same. Electric mini is cheaper if you have access to solar.
There's depreciation to consider too. It all really depends on your personal circumstances and how far you need to go and how many miles you'll cover in a year. For some people the savings are enormous and ownership of an EV will be easy if you charge at home. For others, the savings are negligible or even negative and it will be a pain to own. Best do your research before buying.
@@sargfowler9603 Depreciation is from the purchase price too - not list price which a lot of comparisons miss out on - tending to focus on list price only vs what you can haggle out of the dealers
The point that is never mentioned when they refer to 7p/kwh overnight charging tariff is the fact that peak rates, when you typically use electric for your house etc, is higher than the standard tariff. Therefore, if you offset the increased costs for the peak use charges your overnight rate is most probably nearer 15p/kwh
When working in North London lots of people had an electric car for day to day use and a big SUV for the weekends/long journeys. When asked they were very happy with that combo, but mostly said they wouldn’t trust the electric car on long journeys because of range and charging issues. Also the electric car was normally a company car due to the beneficial tax benefits and always leased as they didn’t want to keep them beyond 3 years as the technology changes so rapidly.
That last part is the main reason I don't recommend them. Yes they're great, but the technology is changing so fast you're going to get FOMO from having an older design and the value will plummet like a rock. Like why would anyone want you're used EV which had 250 miles of range new, when in 3 years they may now have 350-400 new? It's the main reason EV depreciation is so much worse.
@@Skylancer727 well that is the point to get cheaper car to mach your requirements. Also we need to force car companies to make these cars retrofit. People are buying nissan leaf gen1 and putting new 62kwh batteries inside. Old car with 120km range now has 450-550km like new tesla.
Moral to this is not to buy either. Who at Mini decided those headrests were good. As per all manufacturers, making cheaper cabins, claiming saving the earth and charging more for a cheaper product. Interesting little video. Did note that depreciation on the electric car was total £20,000 and the petrol was £14,000 over the 3 years. Ouch.
I think you need to buy a new calculator charging from home at night is a third of the price of during the day (because 7p is a third or 22.4p) so an overnight charge should be about £10.50 for the same 150KWh you used to get £33.63 during the daytime charge!
Did you miss the bit where he said that was the top up? They would still have to use the public charger while out because it couldn't make it back without.
@@siraff4461 No, they stated that an overnight charge of 7.5 p would be 25 quid. They got it wrong, and even if you had to charge using public chargers you wouldn't use the most expenaive chargers either, you'd use Tesla at 35 p
I’m fortunate enough to be able to charge at home and my EV can easily do 200 miles on a 90% charge even in Winter. So like most EV drivers who can charge at home, I do 95% of my charging at 7p per kWh which works out at less than £200 to travel 10,000 miles.
£200 for 10000 potential miles but your range is limited to a maximum distance of 100 miles from your house otherwise your costs skyrockets my friend 🚀
@@ArslanAndArslanIt’s easy to find a Tesla Supercharger at less than 50p per kWh hour at even then it’s usually just a top up charge. So last year I spent less than £150 on non-home charging. So significantly less than £400 miles total compared to quadruple that in an ICE car.
@@PedalPowerPanther that 20 or 30 miles is for people in or near cities and the catch is most those people haven’t got access to off road parking to charge their cars. Enjoy your EV’s guys, enjoy the cost savings and enjoy the depreciation.
If we are all expected to use electric cars then something radical will need to be done about public charging starting now. We are not all priveledged to have home charging possible.
It's not necessarily just a privilege issue, some of the most expensive property in most cities will be those Georgian terraces that are all over the UK. Those streets are often lined with £100k cars, but they don't have off-road parking and you're lucky if you can park within 100yds of your house most of the time. The policy of sticking the fingers in the ears and pretending not to notice that nearly 30% of UK homes can't charge at home is questionable at best.
We are not expected to all drive electric, whoever told you we are. But we expect all new car sales to be electric by 2030/35. That means there will still be a lot of petrol and diesel cars on the road until 2040-50. Now go read the national grid plans that we are ahead of schedule on. We are phased migration over the next 25 years.
@@85NickT Not disagreeing but that still means 70% could be driving electric and charging inexpensively at home. Much more so with solar. In other words lets not get distracted by the minority case.
@@crumbschief5628that's slightly disingenuous. Yes we won't all switch over in 2030/2035, but any individual looking to buy a new car, and increasingly be forced to. I'm not worried about grid infrastructure, electric demand has dropped over the past 10 years by a greater amount than evs are expected to add, so the infrastructure is already there. Re off street parking. Yes it's not purely a wealth thing, but there is a strong correlation, and it does need addressing. EVs are reaching TCO parity, we shouldn't be shutting poor people out of the cheaper transport option.
Very well presented, as usual. I really appreciate the fact that you guys talk as if you are addresssing adults and don't feel the need to switch into amateur comedic chatter, as some others do for some reason. Thanks
We have Electric Cooper on lease, low deposit and £245 per month, it’s the default choice for our family of four, Obviously with our Wall box it’s cheap charging overnight, we are fortunate to have BMW 340i Touring for any journey over 100 miles, very happy with our choice
Yup. Someone has to pay for the electric grid upgrades and the extra power plants needed to support all those cars. And the irony is that most of those power plants will likely be using gas…..
@@adamhero459 Not as ironic as you think it is. Natural gas emits a lot less CO2 than petrol. And besides that, an electric engine is more efficient than an ICE one
I've never used a expensive electric car charger in 6 months. I only charge at home using the 7p cap with intelligent go. I've spend £90 in 6 months charging. Before with my BMW I spend £180 per month which was £1080 over 6 months. And my Ioniq 5 gives me 340 miles range.
Can we PLEASE acknowledge the fact that around 1 in 3 - almost ONE THIRD of UK households do NOT have off-street parking, and thus have no opportunity to avail of cheap (or indeed ANY!) household/home charging rates, and thus have NO other choice but use greatly more expensive public charging. This would make this Mini EV THOUSANDS of pounds more expensive over 3 years to run than an equivalent ICE Mini....... and that is a pretty significant cost that thanks to impending government legislation, a significant amount of the British public are going to have to bear above what those fortunate enough (or 'rich' enough?) to have off-street parking will be forced to spend.
I have no home charger, but I use a neighbour's drive ... (Amazing where ingenuity can take you). I use the free fast charger at the shopping centre as well. I save £2k a year running an EV, even with occasional road trips (costs me about £100 a year).
@@christianschellbruck9788 yes, I am lucky, but you make your own luck. If I didn't have that facility, I would lobby the club at the end of the road for a charger in their car park, or the local Co-op store, or share a neighbour's charging point ... all these are possible, and very credible in the near future. I would also make more use of Electroverse for non-dom charging, which typically saves me 5% and more on sunny/windy days. I will cheerfully support more kerbside (fast) charging that is much cheaper to install. I also suggest that prices for fast charging should be close to domestic rates. Discount schemes also make sense if you don't have home charging. Otherwise consider picking up an old 2nd hand Tesla which still gets you free charging...
@@christianschellbruck9788co-charge, plug share, just charge all offer community charging at competive rates many equivalent to standard day time tariff.
I think most people know that most EV are only a proposition if charged at home on off peak and rarely travel over range and if you use a self charge hybrid or plug in hybrid that also has a self charge element that on its own does 50/60 mpg with the benefit of 7p per kWh within range and add in “no range anxiety” and what will almost certainly be a much lower depreciation especially if you look at 5 year ownership in conjunction with up to 10 year warranty, I can talk from experience “Buy a Hybrid or plug in hybrid”
At 4’40” you put a graphic up for the power ratings of the EV version… these are totally wrong. Cooper E is 184 bhp and the SE is 218 bhp. Not 246 and 292 respectively. If the SE was 292 I would definitely buy one… but only when it’s British built!
And don’t forget, to keep the battery at optimum performance you should not let it get below 20% and above 80%, so your real range is only around 120 miles.
2 things going against the E Mini, its value after 2 years, and its reliability during those 2 years. This test will always show that Mini can only guarantee issues, issues, issues.
30.5mpg for a petrol mini is extremely BAD! For referance my bmw 340i with a 3.0L straight 6 engine could easily hit 40mpg on any journeys outside of cities. Also £40k for an electric mini is insanity, those who can afford that arnt worried about fuel/running costs
@@TijgerTim it’s about 44%. But still, search ‘Kerbo charge’ in Google. This will provide a great solution to a huge chunk of that 44%. Many councils currently offering it for free, too.
They are the first reviewers that have commented about the poor quality interior versus the previous generation. I had a range topping 2019 Clubman, and the interior was fabulous. In fact, everything about it was. The new Mini is very cheap feeling, but they try to deflect from this by putting the large OLED centre display in there, which is very good but cannot mask where they have cut corners elsewhere.
Having driven the new one, keeping my 2020 electric … must add, it’s my first ev and it’s more or less fantastic in every way - it costs peanuts to run, lets add, son just had a simple oil service in his Abarth and was relieved of 800 for the privilege the Mini had its last, let’s call it a service as Mini do … 48 was the bill 🎉🎉 think you are missing this vital piece of info … I had a mail shot from Mini regarding their petrol cars, offering what they called an amazing value offer, a service FROM 750 😱😱😱😱 My Mini is comprised as the all are, I do not go on Motorways ( or would have got a Tesla) but the build quality, driving fun, looks and costs are outstanding, it goes further than they say on a charge, I only charge at home, so hardly noticeable on my electric bill - this old style petrol or ev, me thinks will increase in value once you consider the new one is uglier, not as well made and the screen is just irritating 😊
Your son is being ripped off if it was only an 'oil change', my Lotus Emira costs £450 and includes all filters too. A Bentley Continental GT service from Bentley is around £700.
It's clear EVs are best suited to short commuting trips, especially in cities, where charging is done at the end of the day on an overnight home charger. That is fine for many but not for all. Making it mandatory is legislative nonsense. The market should decide based on the best option for the type of journeys needed.
Nope, I have had an EV since 2020 and regularly go on long roadtrips. I live in Sweden, which is much bigger than the UK. My parents live 530 km from me. No problem. I just charge once and eat at the same time as it's a 6 hour drive. You can also charge overnight at hotels or at my parents.
The UK charging infrastructure has reached a point where long distance EV travel is easy in all but a few places. The market will decide because for lot of people running an EV is much cheaper than an ICE car.
@@crm114. It should be the market, (the high initial cost, the savage depreciation in the first few years, and the end of the huge EV tax incentives!), that should drive how many EVs are adopted. But the government is limiting the number of ICE cars sold by putting £15K fines on each ICE car for manufacturers if they don’t sell enough EVs. It is the damn government interfering and not actually the market deciding for us.
Thank you for this excellent and informative video. I'm 78 years of age and well remember when the original minis first appeared on UK roads. I was at secondary school and one of the lady teachers bought a red one. A few years later I owned a red one with a black roof and also a grey mini van. Geoff.
Whats the point in comparing new cars the real people who want advice is the used 5 to 10 year old EV's vs ICE cars ones that don't cost more than £10,000 and we want you to test repair cost/tax/insurance running cost wear and tear costs tires getting a car on finance there are families out there who are living on the breadline
It's impossible to compare old models of cars. Firstly because people don't tend to buy just any car used, the usually see either what is cheapest, what's biggest, etc. You never know how reliable a car will be in 5-10 years as there's cars that make it only 3 years, there's others that make it 30. Like I still see a lot of late 90s Camry's and Corollas on the road. Being ICE or EV doesn't really change this as we have no idea what will fail on them in that time. ICE is likely to have transmission or engine wear, but EVs may also have battery failure or imbalance all of which result in the cars being scrap.
I work for BMW (MINI…) for over 20 years now (different dealerships) and owned countless models (MINIs, 1, 2, 3, 5 series), but the price development over the last years is just ridiculous and so I bought a Tesla Model Y this year for 41.000 Euros (app. 35.000 GBP)….. So that‘s 5.000 quid less than for the MINI, which I could park in the trunk of the Tesla 😉 …..and the Model Y is fully equipped and has a bigger range…..
you have to take in to account. engine wear and tear for the petrol then for the leccy version.. how long will the batteries last and how much will it cost to change them?
The average mileage for a car in the uk is 111,000 before being scrapped at around 15 years.The battery is far less likely to need replacing and is under warranty for 8 years. Also at the end of life you can expect well over £1000 for the battery as it will have a second life in static energy storage.
One thing you didn’t mention( I couldn’t find it in the comments after a quick scan) is luxury car tax. From April 2025 in the UK EV’s will also be subject to the first tier of car tax which I believe is £190. Plus if the car is over £40k, luxury car tax which is an additional £410 a year is payable to HM Gov. Unless you go for the base electric model with lowest tier packs it’s very easy to take the EV version over £40k. Who wants to pay £600 a year in road tax?
They didn't factor in the battery usage in winter months. The range usually nearly halves in colder weather which is about 8/9 months of the year in the UK
@@edwardsierpowski3839 7 years would be nice. Batteries have an 8 year warranty as a rule. Maybe they have an 8 year warranty because they don't die after 7 years though?
My wife bought the electric mini from new in 2021 and has just changed it to the new petrol mini in 2024. She sat into her new mini and saw the range of 680km and breathed a sigh if relief. She was hounded by range anxiety and couldn't take it any more. We are based in Ireland and the range was absolutely shocking. She was told that the range was 250km which turned out to be 180km. We have a holiday home in Rosslare that is 168km from our house and it caused her no end of worry. She absolutely loves the styling of the mini and has had a Mini since 1991. 33 years!!!! (she is waiting for an electric VW Beetle to come around so she can switch to one of them for practicality.
That headrest would "do my head in". For a car in this class, it should be adjustable. 18 minutes in and no mention of one-pedal driving in the EV? I would choose a Tesla Model 3 anytime over these cars, given the budget.
I don't value one pedal driving. Cars have always had two pedals and one pedal driving takes effort to get used to and doesn't even remain consistent when the battery is full. Tesla only added disk braking to the one pedal drive about 2 years ago, before that if your battery was full you just had no braking without the pedal after you left home. It's a feature like the hold brake on cars. It's somewhat convenient for sitting at a stop light, but when you're in traffic the slow creep is much more convenient. You spend much more time slowly rolling than you do stopped. Plus I've noticed many cars jerk when you hit the accelerator with hold modes on.
@@Skylancer727 The great thing about a lot of cars like Tesla and Kia is they give you that choice - one-pedal driving or not. VW and Steelworks group cars don't.
@connclissmann6514 I just don't see how that's a selling point. The cars have regenerative braking either way and as I said, the average drive is used to how cars already drive. It's such a problem many don't even like cars with CVTs because they don't shift. And as I said in my last comment, is it better to have a poor one pedal drive that changes effectiveness, or not have it at all? Honestly I think it may be better to just not have it at all. I don't trust most of these brands with software that complex as they can't even get an AC to work right.
The reality is that most people with Minis will drive MUCH less than 12,000 miles per year. The overall average miles per year is 7,400. But this includes people who do many motorway miles for work, week after week. Hardly anyone will buy a Mini to do high mileage. The only way the electric Mini would pay for itself vs the ice, would be if it was driven many miles and that's not going to happen.
@@siraff4461 Exactly. EVs are great for short trips, but you'd need to do high mileage to compensate for the higher up front (and depreciation) cost vs ice.
I hate touch screen stuff in a car. With it not being tactile you HAVE to look at it while driving. Old cars had dials, buttons, switches etc. and you KNEW where they were without taking your eyes off the road.
you make a good point about the touch screen, your driving along and you want to change the settings, but you pass old plod, what are their thoughts going to be? Using a mobile? going through all those menu's eyes off the road? yes it was voice active but that worked well didn't it? but i found something interesting, my neighbour just down the road has a EV and has a charger on their front wall in their drive, i got stopped by a holiday maker asking where the nearest EV charging point was, i looked on a well know map app and my neighbours charger came up on that map, the tourist then informed me they had seen that one, but there was already a car there charging! now what would have happened if his car was not there? as we are seeing now on the internet people are plugging there cars into 'private home' chargers, after all they are being shown on that well known app. what would happen you come home and find a strange car plugged into your charger? would you be happy? would a crime been committed? as pointed out home charging is cheaper than public charging. were do you stand? lots of unanswered questions.
I just love the comments on here... Err I charge at 7p so it only causes me bugger all... Err not everyone can charge at home using octopus, near me the only super charger is 69p. The slow charger is 49p. At those prices petrol is certainly better and I lose 30 miles of range travelling 15 miles each way to charge
I have been a Mini owner for over 15 years, first with a Cooper S Cabrio supercharged and then with a R56 Cooper S. The only thing I can say unfortunately is to stay away from BMW, they are selling you cars to keep you there with their diagnostic computers, their cars are built to fail at extremely high rate to after let you spend as much as you spent to buy the car but for repair costs. I sold the last Mini and went with Suzuki, and no matter what you think, now my life has changed in the name of reliability.
You can buy the Mini electric for around £31K BTW and the Cooper from £23K. I was a little confused by the seemingly equal cost between the Cooper and Electric mini, yet long term ownership was a lot less for the Electric mini. It's all to do with charging from home isn't it? If you do go on long distances and have to rapid charge at motorway services, there isn't a lot between them all. Travel within the limited range of the Electric mini and it's a no brainer. Great review guys!
Thats not how people's lives work though, is it? They do little mileage each day commuting and school runs, etc then a few large trips now and then for holidays/visiting family or whatever.
@@siraff4461 true, making even more sense to go electric for the 48 weeks and then hire a large fossil burner for when you want to drag a caravan to Cornwall and back a couple of times a year 😹 this save having a Range Rover for 52 weeks to do the shopping & school run. Saves a fortune too.
If there's really nothing much in it, why would people worry about charging their cars and getting stuck with chances of running out when charging points aren't available? Also, I think the resale value of the electric model is a little optimistic.
I just don’t know many people who are buying new cars at the moment,most of my friends are retired and the younger families are keeping their cars for a lot longer ,£30,000 to £40,000 is just not even an option for anyone I know .
Remember when a a brand new cooper was 17k anyone?? price of cars gone TONTO! And this video has shown me - AVOID BOTH THESE CARS and AVOID going for the EV version of anything!
@@PlateauproductionsCoNz Not sure about in NewZeland, but in UK there's granny chargers and cable tunnels. So, unless you're talking about being offgrid (In which case I agree, EV bad choice for you), you can usually charge EV from home.
1:30 let me save everyone some time. If you like to waste your money, get an EV. Here are some reasons: They’re always more expensive to buy. They will NEVER do their claimed range, particularly if you dare to use the air-con/heating. I have had four EVs, the best you’ll ever get is 80% of the claimed range in summer, more like 60% in winter. Public chargers are hideously unreliable. So stressful. Not the car’s fault BUT even if they were reliable they’re so expensive - works out about 25p per mile. EVs are always more expensive to charge than buying petrol UNLESS you’re charging at home on a night tariff where there are some MARGINAL gains (but nothing compared to the initial expensive / shocking depreciation). If you like driving, EVs are always underwhelming. They’re heavy, there’s no character. It’s like driving a fridge freezer with wheels. I could go on…
Ice card also get nowhere near the claimed range. I do, however, get the claimed range in summer in my ev. Never had a problem with public charging (instavolt). It is expensive but ok for short top ups. My mg was actually cheaper than an ice equivalent. Sure, you've owned 4 evs... 😂
@@logant6490 I can get 700 miles easily in my 530d which is over the claimed range. The best way I can describe owning an EV is like starting every journey with quarter of a tank. If you’re getting your claimed range that’s because you’re hypermiling. You’re not doing 70mph on the motorway with your air con on. ‘Never had a problem with public chargers’, then you’re one in a million. Just look at Zapmap reviews of random charging stations and you’ll see how unreliable public chargers are. I have never turned up at a petrol station and 8 of 10 pumps are ‘offline’, had to queue for 45 mins to use it or been forced to download an app and given them all my data to fill up. Cheaper than ICE - yeah, because you bought used so some other poor soul had suffered the depreciation for you.
What were the four EVs you owned? 3 G-Wiz's and a 24kWh Leaf? 25p/mile? Only if you habitually use Instavolt with a fat eTron. No sane person does that.
Thousands of people who actually OWNs EVs would dispute that. We can count and we know we are saving money, and having less emissions is a bonus. EVs also drive way way better than any petrol car. You can shoot off the traffic light faster than all other non-EVs, and get to the lane you want. The acceleration is also smooth, not disjointed like non-EVs. Ever since I started driving an EV, ICE cars just feel so clunky and unresponsive. For a no brainer scenario where you get the best of both worlds - cheaper purchase price and cheaper running costs - get that 3 year old second hand EV they are talking about that is in fact cheaper than a petrol car.
What EV's did you own, trains? My car does 4.5 - 5.6 Miles per KWH. Using Tesco public chargers it's 48p per KwH. Using worst case 4.5mile per KwH gives 48/4.5 gives less than 11p per mile. Petrol's about £5.50 per gallon which for average of 40mpg is about 13p per mile. HOWEVER, when using charging at home prices the EV comes out at LESS THEN 2p PER MILE. So what on earth other than an intercity train where you driving that worked out at 25p per mile. A Nissan leaf, pulling two trailer's with another ten Leafs loaded on?
Basic rule applies - if you can charge at home and mostly operate within its range, an EV makes a lot of sense. Second hand they're a bargain. Otherwise, don't buy one!
Manufacturers opt for touchscreen ipad controls because it's cheaper to buy and produce. Far less skill for a factory worker to plug in a cheap android tablet meant to control everything than actually manufacturer a car with physical efficient tactile dials. Cars will go like wristwatches with traditional analogue movement watches being the real classy items. Why on earth have Ford cancelled the Mondeo and Focus. 2 absolutely brilliant cars.
The original Mini was full of brilliant innovation: although I could never comfortably fit into one. These nasty copies are crap. IMHO, of course ;) But then I thoroughly dislike many German cars.
Ideally buying a 3 year old electric and maximising home charging would be the way to go the big depreciation hit has happened, there's much less servicing costs and the occasion longer trip where you need public charging doesn't matter.
It is interesting, because I just tested the electric version for 4 days, and found that all the problems you have identified in the petrol version (too firm suspension, understeer & unresponsive steering, etc.) apply heavily to the electric version too. It certainly did not feel ”so immensely fun to drive” as is often imagined. I still find the Honda e to be much more fun and engaging, which is worrying for Mini, since the Honda e is from 2020…
The difference between the two cars (using the figures shown for PCP) is just over £2k, few people make the balloon payment the car just goes back. That being the case it's clearly cheaper to run the electric version, if you can charge at home. Why anyone would buy a Mini electric on PCP is baffling when they could lease the same model (3 years, 12 months up front) for around £300/month and reduce the costs by about £3000.
What mug would buy a new EV! 😂 the initial cost and initial depreciation is ridiculous. Buy one a few years old when the mug has paid the depreciation and there is still some warranty.
Resale value depends on which EV you buy same with any car. There’s other reasons to buy an EV other than just money. I love my model 3 and it’s way better than any of the other 10 other cars I owned previously.
Owned my BMW i3 for almost 4 years, 35k miles in that time. Charging costs at home have totalled £570, spent another £200 on public charging. Service £250 every two years.
For crying out loud. Can you people about to type the same daft comment please watch and actually listen to the video before telling us all about 7p/kWh being the only price they should pay? One after the next all seemingly with ear muffs on after seeing the cost - which is completely legitimate given the use situation they were in.
Yes it's legitimate and well conducted, BUT do people only drive 279 miles each time? No. Usage patterns make a huge difference to fuel costs for both EV & ICE. 5000 miles of town driving in an ICE will cost vastly more than 5000 miles of motorway munching in an ICE. Conversely EVs cost much less in traffic than they do on the motorway. The way you use the car will make a huge difference to the fuel costs. What they've actually shown here is the ICE car's best case vs the EV's worst case.
@@TheThunderdome-il3ez EV's worst case? One person in it and lovely weather? Try this again in the depths of winter with a full load and watch how much worse the ev gets while the ice is hardly affected. Same in town. EV's do well while they are using low energy but when they need to provide warmth (such as on so many short journeys around town) it all goes south very quickly. Also town driving usually doesn't involve much mileage while motorway or higher speed roads do. That means its much less likely you're going to be doing a lot of miles around a town in the first place and even mild hybrids do very well at not using fuel while sitting in traffic. Not as well as an ev but then they don't use much on a motorway or in the cold either. If you want a real worst case example one of our drivers uses a Renault Zoe to deliver food locally. In the last cold snap it got down to 0.8mi/kWh because of constant short runs, opening door/boot then door again and so on. Every time he came back he was having to plug it in on our wallbox just so he could keep enough in it to make the part time shift. No thats not typical use but sitting at 60mph on a motorway on a nice day certainly isn't worst case either.
@@siraff4461 so absolutely perfect applications for a modern EV with 270 plus miles of range. The mini isrubbish get a Kia or Hyundai or Volvo or polestar or a BMW there are hundreds to choose from. Loads of choice charge up at your holiday home, it has got electricity?
Why not do a test where you live with an EV for a week, charging at home on an overnight tariff - with a single longer trip included in the test. That is how most EV users would use their cars? Most people average around 20 miles a day to and from work with perhaps a longer trip (say 150 miles there and back) at the weekend to see family or go to an event.
Not really a fair test. If you're testing the EV at it's best it's not properly comparing them. Plus as they said, they compared using combined grid and high speed charging because many don't even have access to grid at home and for long trips it will always be combined. And living with it for a week won't change the results of this direct comparison. They're not buying the car and trying to live with it, they're comparing them. That's completely up to consumers which fit they're lifestyle and people with unique lifestyles will have unique costs. Why they also showed cost to only high speed charge. The whole point was to show a direct comparison of both cars used identically.
I have just bought a 2022 electric mini at half price of new one. I only charge it from my solar ( here in Cape town the sun shines a lot more) the most fun city car money can buy and no fuel cost at all. That's a winner!
‘Now we’re going to do this completely fair comparison test by pick the most expensive charger we can possibly find and then pretending it’s the same for everyone all of the time’
Like the most expensive petrol when the car could easily do the journey on a tank of the cheapest around? Amazing all these ev flag wavers missed that one.
You see, that's the difficult thing to work out. Everyone is different and what may be good for you will be bad for someone else. With ICE cars, you know what you're getting and petrol costs are pretty much the same everywhere. Roll in an EV and you have either very cheap motoring or twice as expensive as petrol motoring. That's what makes it difficult to work out. I feel sorry for the guys on WhatCar because they were bound to upset some people.
@@siraff4461 They should have started with a full tank on the petrol, bought at their local garage or whatever, and a full charge on the EV. The petrol car would not need to be filled during the journey, but they should then fill it when they get back home. Similarly with the EV - full charge to start, one small top-up of about 40 miles during the journey, then charge up at home overnight. It would have been much cheaper with the EV.
@@sargfowler9603 Um - how do you get 'or twice as expensive'? It is actually fairly simple to work out. If you only charge on public chargers, even without using the cheaper ones, or membership ones, it will cost a similar amount for an EV or an ICE car. Charge at home, overnight, at least some of the time, and it will be very much cheaper with an EV.
@@steveknight878 Public rapid chargers are 80p/kwh. To get 49 miles (assume 3.5miles per kwh) will take 14kw (14*80p) = £11.20 . An ICE vehicle will easily go 49 miles on a gallon of petrol. This will only cost £6.22 (4.54 * £1.37). You really, really need to charge an EV at home or for 40p/kwh or less otherwise an ICE may well be cheaper.
Very well balanced and fair review which you don't see often on social media. I was expecting you to stop at the rapid charging price and not mention the real cost to charge at home which is done 95% of the time. For me the electric car fits perfectly in my life.
Very nice review. Well balanced. My only criticism is about your charging decision: It is often fairly easy to find a destination where you can slow charge over night, then you wouldn't need the stop to charge. Additionally, you charged the next day, with a cold battery, at medium state of charge. While a battery generally accepts more power if it's slightly warm, and at a lower state of charge.
How did they manage to get £25 for overnight charging at 7p on the electric Mini. You get 5 hours at 7p these days, or 35kWh at £2.45 which be 70% of the battery on the larger battery mini or 90% on the smaller battery and you aren’t going to be starting from 0 (or charging to 100% unless you have a road trip planned). Most EV drivers are going to charging on overnight AC 90% of the time. On those rates you’d be spending about £500 to fuel the Mini for 12k miles, whereas the petrol vs would be 5x that
Hello - just to clarify... We weren’t trying to dream up a scenario in which the electric Mini could do a 279-mile round trip without visiting a public charger. Its real-world range in the summer and when driven gently (another video we'll be posting in a few days) is around 210 miles. As Doug explains in the outro, the different costs we give assume only that final home charge was either at 22.4p/kWh or 7p/kWh. That still leaves the 24.8kWh top-up in Birmingham at 85p/kWh. So, at the current price cap... (24.8kWh @ 85p/kWh) + (56.0kWh @ 22.4p/kWh). Total cost = £33.63. And at a cheap overnight tariff... (24.8kWh @ 85p/kWh) + (56.0kWh @ 7p/kWh). Total cost = £25.03 We’re confident our calculations are correct. Clearly, if you were an owner only ever making shorter journeys and were able to do 100% of your charging at home then the charging costs would be lower. We do assume 100% home charging for the three-year cost calculation at 32.04, clearly showing the electric Mini can be much cheaper if owners are exclusively plugging in at home. Hope this helps.
@@whatcar but you don't do the calculation for charging at home "always" at 7p. Exactly what most of the EV owners moaning at you are pointing out, because it's what most of us do. The one cost going against an EV that you don't mention is the cost of getting a home charger. That would pay for a good amount of petrol.
@@grahamleiper1538 Most people don't count home charger costs as some cars come with them and it's a one time price that you can continue to use on future cars.
Please correct or withdraw this article. The marths for the EV charging cost are massively wrong. It's literally impossible to spend £25 on electricity overnight at home. The actual cost using say Octopus' tariffs is almost TEN TIMES LESS than what you mis-calculated/misrepresented. If you're serious at trying to compare ICE with EV then correct this articles maths. If, on the other hand, you were deliberately fabricating figures then well done. EVERYBODY can see you bias now.
Hello Martin - just to clarify... We weren’t trying to dream up a scenario in which the electric Mini could do a 279-mile round trip without visiting a public charger. Its real-world range in the summer and when driven gently (another video we'll be posting in a few days) is around 210 miles. As Doug explains in the outro, the different costs we give assume only that final home charge was either at 22.4p/kWh or 7p/kWh. That still leaves the 24.8kWh top-up in Birmingham at 85p/kWh. So, at the current price cap... (24.8kWh @ 85p/kWh) + (56.0kWh @ 22.4p/kWh). Total cost = £33.63. And at a cheap overnight tariff... (24.8kWh @ 85p/kWh) + (56.0kWh @ 7p/kWh). Total cost = £25.03 We’re confident our calculations are correct. Clearly, if you were an owner only ever making shorter journeys and were able to do 100% of your charging at home then the charging costs would be lower. We do assume 100% home charging for the three-year cost calculation at 32.04, clearly showing the electric Mini can be much cheaper if owners are plugging in exclusively at home. Hope this helps.
@@whatcar Since you’re attempting to pretend this is a valid article on the year in year out running costs of EVs compared to ICE, then lets look at your scenario in it’s entirety. Because of households now owning more than one car, the average car only does around 7000 miles per year now (Google it). Yet, in you scenario for seeing which cars are cheaper, you do a test for someone doing 100,000 miles per year(279 miles per day). As your title implies day to day running costs. What was that you just said about not dreaming up scenarios again? So then, now that we’ve just proven it was in fact you who dreamt up this scenario to distort the comparison, lets get to the figures again. Only using typical usage values. After all, you title implies to answer the question for the typical user. Nowhere does it imply the article if for the 0.1% of people who drive 100K per year. At 7000 miles that’s 27 miles a day five days a week. At 4.5 miles per KwH which is also typical for an EV, that’s precisely 6 KwH. Which at 7p per KwH is 43p per day to run an EV for a ‘real world’ scenario. Rather than the 100,000 miles per year scenario you dreamt up to discredit EVs. Now lets do the same for your Mini ICE averaging 38 miles per gallon. Lets be generous and call it 40mpg. At £5.50 per gallon uk average(google it), 27 miles works out at 27/40x550p = 371p per day. That’s a whooping saving of 260x(371-43) = £820 PER YEAR. Assuming a typical EV is doing the national average of 7000 miles per annum, with Approx 260 Week days in year. Now, provided you either have a cooled battery, or you only home charge at say 3.6Kw, the batteries ought to last 20 years. My Leaf is 9 years old now and still has 11 of 12 bars battery health. Not because its not been driven, it’s done well over the national average 60,000 miles. Rather, because it’s never been speed charged. It can still do over 3 times the daily average above. And, assuming same rate of appalling battery degradation for the next 11 years, will still be able do the 27 miles per day easily, when it’s 20 in the year 2035. Which means that over it’s lifetime, it will have saved its various owners 20x850 = £17,000. But there’s more. The cars are so much cheaper to maintain as there’s far fewer moving parts. No gearbox, clutch, alternator, fuel pump, water pump, piston, oil pump, crankshaft, cam shaft…you get the idea. The Leaf’s electric motor is good for 500,000 miles. So, why not replace the battery after 20 years. That’ll only cost you £3500 as you’ll get £1000 for the old one in exchange. So lets take that 500,000 miles a moment. At 7000miles per year, that’s roughly 70 years or 5 battery changes. That’s £17500 for 5 replacement batteries. Which sounds a lot. Until you realise that’s still a potential saving of 820x70-17500 = £42,000 saved over the cars potential lifetime in a ‘Dream’ scenario. These cars probably aren’t going to last 70 years, though they could… I just showed what an EV dream scenario actually looks like, so you can see how distorted a picture a petrol head’s dream scenario like yours really is. But even in your petrol head dream scenario, you still don’t break even against an EV. And in a greenies dream scenario of a Nissan Leaf plus costing £37000 when new, it literally 100% PAYS FOR ITSELF by saving you a massive £42,000 pounds across it’s lifetime. Still think you should withdraw your article. Its clear from your response that you’re neither prepared to admit you’re title is misleading, nor that the resultant maths do not in anyway reflect a real world day in day out costing scenario.
I know my maths isn’t great but if I recharge at 22p rate and cost is £33 and overnight rate is less than a third of that at 7p shouldn’t I be paying about £10, not £25?
Why didn't you charge at the 35p destination chargers in the Bullring car park? Why didn't you get a hotel with chargers? Why didn't you factor in servicing costs? Why didn't you compare lease deals? Such terrible journalism.
Surely the fact they didn't/weren't able to use the best options for charging is better, as that's a more realistic scenario? Sometimes chargers aren't working or aren't available, and they'll have to use whatever is around. They also did factor in servicing, a comparison which the EV handily won.
Why did they use service station fuel when they could easily have done the journey on a tank of the cheapest? Why does anyone use expensive chargers ever? Maybe its because people don't plan every journey like a military operation and in fairness shouldn't need to to get a normal price. Servicing is included with new minis - or at least it has been for the three I've bought in the past so thats equal. Insurance certainly isn't though. I have a lot of no claims and a very long driving history but was still quoted almost double for the electric. For me thats still not all that much - though its a bit cheeky - but I can imagine if someone already pays a high premium (say they live in London or whatever) then its likely to be quite the setback.
@@paulleonard1296 So you have to plan ahead for EVs, can’t just turn up somewhere. Get a hotel that has chargers even if they cost more, cos you’ll save on petrol right? Servicing is needed for EVs too you know. Some people buy cars but I know you never, ever buy EVs because they go down more quickly than Starmers popularity.
Either Mini have completely fallen off a cliff or something doesn’t add up about the petrol’s economy figure. I often drive a latest gen Clubman Cooper S with a manual, and I don’t drive it slowly, yet I always see 40+ mpg and, having checked, the average mpg readout is always spot on.
@@brainwrongs the prices have come down since the energy costs peaked 18 months ago. There’s also a ceiling on those costs as solar panels continue to fall. If your electric at home sky rockets, you can invest in solar. Also petrol and other energy costs are linked to the base price of electricity, as oil refineries use a considerable amount of electricity! So yes… electric is always going to be more cost efficient.
Great review. Well balanced. I'm not convinced on the new Mini layout. Looks terrible, but that's subjective.
Looks very terrible and has a very cheap interior. Absolutely horrible cheap interior compared to the F56
@SoloVentureExplorer totally agree. Just look at that stupid Head Up thing. Where its placed you could actually install a speedo and rev counter.
Not well balanced the 30.5mpg figure is way off - What Car’s own data is; The Cooper C officially averages 47.9mpg and the Cooper S 45.6mpg.
Their maths is completely wrong. Works out at £4.90 to charge the mini overnight. £25. Their researchers meant to say they SAVED £25 on an overnight 7 p rate.
Hello Michael - just to clarify...
We weren’t trying to dream up a scenario in which the electric Mini could do a 279-mile round trip without visiting a public charger. Its real-world range in the summer and when driven gently (another video we'll be posting in a few days) is around 210 miles.
As Doug explains in the outro, the different costs we give assume only that final home charge was either at 22.4p/kWh or 7p/kWh. That still leaves the 24.8kWh top-up in Birmingham at 85p/kWh.
So, at the current price cap... (24.8kWh @ 85p/kWh) + (56.0kWh @ 22.4p/kWh). Total cost = £33.63.
And at a cheap overnight tariff... (24.8kWh @ 85p/kWh) + (56.0kWh @ 7p/kWh). Total cost = £25.03
We’re confident our calculations are correct. Clearly, if you were an owner only ever making shorter journeys and were able to do 100% of your charging at home then the charging costs would be lower.
We do assume 100% home charging for the three-year cost calculation at 32.04, clearly showing the electric Mini can be much cheaper if owners are exclusively plugging in at home.
Hope this helps.
You've made a good case NOT to buy a Mini regardless of how it's powered!
Exactly, so inefficient and joke of an electric car, they should be producing something far better than that nowadays for that price. We have a 2019 ioniq which easily does 5-6 miles per kwh, this is one of the first generation of ev's! So almost doubles your savings compared to that mini
@@jonathanwest624I almost couldn't believe it when he said it had less than a 40kw battery, for that price.
There are far cheaper choices for that size of battery.
There are several better choices for that price.
@@TheAllMightyGodofCod Crazy to think my 2 year old 77kwh EV6 was only a couple of grand more than the Mini, and a second hand EV6 would now be 10k less than the mini.
@@IanMcc1000 indeed.
For the same amount you could also buy I don't know, a Megane E-tech which would be more efficient and practical.
A e-C4 which leave you with a lot of spare change and it's roomier.
Probably a Niro?
A e-Corsa or a e-208..
And a lot of far better options to use as a daily car.
The mini is a bit limited... If you need to take people with you, it is not a practical car.
@@TheAllMightyGodofCod The EV3 starts at 37k that looks better than anny current Niro and beats the EV6 in some areas. I think the point of the mini is that they've managed to keep a lot of the fun by keeping it light. Fortunately a 40k MSRP will translate to about 30k at retail with discounts. Maybe 25k after 1 year year 10k miles.
When the government has to replace the fuel tax lost by the changeover to electric cars, we're going to see charging costs rise significantly.
Or a pay per mile scheme
? why are you watching this, you should be watching some conspiracy video
@@martinhammett8121because he's 100% right.
You must be a deluded labour voter
30:22 Obvious conclusion: buy a several years used ev at the same price as used petrol car and continue with the lower running costs from there (if you have the means to charge at home)
It is what I have done. 2nd hand 2021 Leaf n-connecta, it had done 12000 miles, battery in excellent condition, saves me a ton of money in fuel.
Not so clear cut. Let use real example. A guy I know commutes daily, 60 miles one way, so 120 per day. Company has free charging installed for employees (as is more and more common). So rather than spending perhaps £300 a month on fuel, he can get a brand new EV effectively for free (apart from the deposit), as the fuel savings could exceed the monthly lease or PH payment.
The deposit would be quickly offset due to no need to service (or fix) anything in an EV. A typical ICE car has thousands of moving parts (some cars over 10,000 moving parts), an EV half a dozen, with electric motor lasting a lifetime, and typically same with regenerative disk breaks. Minimum battery guarantee for new EV's is now at least 8 years. And with nothing to break in an EV, apart from tires needing more frequent replacement, this is a no brainer.
Bang on.
USED BMW I3.EVERYTIME. Circa 2020 with bigger battery
Get a little ev for trips to the shops. Get a petrol for anything else. Just all get two cars each...this is the way
Charging the car overnight for free in the hotel would wildly change this review.
Concur, and it is tempting to think that if you are staying overnight with an EV, you would pick somewhere with free or cheap charging in the first place.
I basically make the exact same comment on all their other EV videos. They do it on purpose to make the EV look like a hassle. I've had an EV for 5 years and have never not been able to charge overnight when I needed to.
How often are you planning on staying at hotels so you can get free electricity? I'm guessing if we are looking at total cost of ownership occasions where you effectively got free fuel from a hotel would be essentially a rounding error
If you can get there in the first place
@@pjbell007 because I’m guessing you don’t drive much
I have an F55 Cooper S and went to look at the new electric Mini last week.
The interior quality is absolutely diabolical in the new car - nowhere near the level of the F54/55/56. Most other reviewers seem to be dazzled by tacky infotainment systems, so well done to you guys for calling this out.
I initially wanted to like this new Mini, I wanted to replace my current one with the new one. But the huge step down in quality and styling, coupled with the pie in the sky pricing - I paid 23k 5 years ago for my well-specced Cooper S - it's a non-starter.
As a 2017 F56 owner, I’m really disappointed with the interior changes in recent models. The seats feel uncomfortable, the two rear cup holders are gone, and the front ones are poorly designed. Customization options are now limited to just three trims. MINI used to be a small luxury car, but now it’s all plastic. I’m 6'1", and my rear seats still get used regularly, so losing practical features like cup holders is frustrating. Most controls have been moved to a display, even though physical buttons are far safer for adjustments while driving. For many, MINIs are primary vehicles that need to balance fun with practicality and comfort, especially with rising living costs. MINI needs to rethink these changes and bring back more customization options. My 2017 model is fully customized, comfortable on long trips, economical, and always fun to drive!
Nobody: "Lets get rid of physical CC buttons because searching them from screen is so cool"
What you're forgetting is fuel taxes which haven't been added to EV charging prices as yet.
They are coming Labour are rubbing their hands already.
You do now have to pay road tax on EVs
@@alexpro60798 Yes, but at the moment there is a tax duty of 52.95 pence per liter on petrol and no duty yet on filling up on electricity...
@ The government’s plan of forcing you to buy an EV it ain’t gonna work for me petrol and diesel is cheaper than charging anyway
Those costs are way off.
7p /kwh on an overnight tariff in a 5 hour window with octopus would cost £3.50 and would put in roughly 35kw of energy into the battery. The useable battery capacity of that mini is 49.2 kwh.
So where on earth do you get £25.03 for 7p/kwh charging from? That would equate to 357 kw of energy into the battery? Get your figures correct before coming out with more confusing costs for people and making more EV propaganda.
I do around 600-700 miles a month (average about 8000 a year), my charging costs are around £15 a month or £180 a year, this is on EDF Go Electric at 8.9p, something is definitely off with their calculations.
As soon as I saw the costs on video at 29.30 I thought I'd go straight to the comments section here. This is a video by a major motoring journal organisation who specialize in practical motoring advice, how could the professional journalists and editorial staff not understand this basic error?
I have an Ioniq, it does 5 Miles per KiloWatt Hour consistently, I charge at 7.5p per KwH overnight. If I went 250 miles I would use 50 KwH ...so multiply that by 7.5 pence and I would have spent £3.75?
My annual fuel bill in my ICE car was £2,500 , its now less than £250 for my EV. I have a dedicated credit card for fuel so I can keep track of myself, the card provider wanted to know why I had stopped using the card 🙂
Watch it again and actually listen to what they're saying this time.
@@siraff4461 have done, what's your point?
If the mini does 3.5m/kWh and the journey is 279miles then the cost @7p/kWh is £5.50 not £25
Well misleading on cost of charge. If he could have got home to charge he would have. He couldn't because didnt have range so no choice but to pay rates charged by service station chargers. Notice how the figure for that wasnt published
A more relevant test would be to compare the costs of charging at home 90% of the time and using it as a commuter car. People don't buy minis for road trips in the real world.
So true, most journeys are short distance charged from home (if you can). But longer journeys will be no cheaper than an ICE and probably more stressful.
Most people want a car that can do both, it's just another factor to consider.
True but that also brings mileage down because most minis don't do 12k per year.
They did compare several use cases, including the case for home charging.
These guys always absolutely clueless on running costs of an EV lol. 36000 miles for the MAJORITY of EV owners will be approx (36,000 miles/3.5miles per kWh * 7.5p per kWh) + perhaps 60 quid a year in public charging= £771 + 3*60 = approx £950 over the 3 years. These guys declared approx 2100 or 2200 I believe? So over 100% out. And I feel like I've watched 3 or 4 of videos where they have tried to do example running cost calcs and every time there are miles out!
@@jamesraisonxnumpty did you not listen, they are absolutely spot on, all that burger grease during your shift at McDonald’s is destroying your brain cell
Built in China to save costs, cheaper materials with less quality, but a lot more expensive than the old MINI. . . . . . . . . . . .
Shame a 1980 original couldnt have been in the test too - my guess it would have blitz both on fun and cost over time
Yes and you could have purchased 40 of them for the price of just the EV !!!! 😂
well good luck trying to sell these overpriced cars, £40000.00 for a mini ffs
Ikr. Kia EV3 is larger, better controls in the cabin, has a WLTP of 379 miles, and for the middle spec, costs less than the Mini...
Many many more, cheaper, better options - the cost is the Mini badge tax, I guess
It's not 1959 anymore.
@@da_great_mogul wake up 40k for a mini is a straight joke
As they pointed out, there's only £1,500 difference. If you charge at home at 7p only, they are the same price as the electricity is only £720 over 3 years.
New cars are expensive now, and mini is more so
My sister just bought a 21 electric mini for 20,000 euro from BMW dealer.
Seemed like good value to me
A bit mischievous using Instavolt charger, the most expensive in the UK. In the Birmingham area there are 3 Tesla sites that non Tesla can use. I used one last month in an ID3, and rather pay 85p per kWh, I only paid 35p.
And claiming 30.5 mpg when What Car’s own data is; The Cooper C officially averages 47.9mpg and the Cooper S 45.6mpg. It’s all BS for clicks, nothing more.
@@warnerswheelingabout4879 the official averages are usually always way off from the real world though and as they said they did high speed driving on the motorway and the backroads which surely was enough to tank the mpg figures down
@@warnerswheelingabout4879 They used real world measurements, not rated. They drove both vehicles in the same conditions at the same time. That is far more trustworthy than the ratings. Both vehicles got well below their rating with the 30.5 vs 47.9 and the 3.5 vs 4.7. Honestly the Petrol had the bigger hit in real world and yet was still the better value.
The nearest Tesla charger to me, West Yorkshire, is 20+ miles away so using what a large section of the public would have to use makes more sense. Petrol is now £1.32 around here, not the £1.47 they used.
Not only that, but 22p/kWh at home is also unreasonable.
The market on electric cars has already started to die. My neighbor works in car sales, where he works,they just cannot sell them.
Yeah I know a dealer and he says they are not shifting.
Because people have realised there not worth the hassle and going back to petrol/diesel and petrol/diesel is way cheaper than electricity
Check out the real sales figures not what a mate says. "The share of petrol cars in UK sales fell to 52.2%, while sales of diesels have fallen from 31% of the market in 2018 to only 6.3% in 2024. Sales of hybrids, which combine a petrol engine and a smaller battery, have risen alongside electric cars." from the Society of Motor Manufacturers.
For those wondering, if you only charged on a 7p/kwh overnight tariff like Octopus Intelligent Go. 36,000 miles would cost £720. Bringing the final cost to £22,904. Which probably explains mini's pricing strategy. They effectively cost the same. Electric mini is cheaper if you have access to solar.
There's depreciation to consider too. It all really depends on your personal circumstances and how far you need to go and how many miles you'll cover in a year.
For some people the savings are enormous and ownership of an EV will be easy if you charge at home.
For others, the savings are negligible or even negative and it will be a pain to own.
Best do your research before buying.
@@sargfowler9603 Depreciation is from the purchase price too - not list price which a lot of comparisons miss out on - tending to focus on list price only vs what you can haggle out of the dealers
The point that is never mentioned when they refer to 7p/kwh overnight charging tariff is the fact that peak rates, when you typically use electric for your house etc, is higher than the standard tariff. Therefore, if you offset the increased costs for the peak use charges your overnight rate is most probably nearer 15p/kwh
@@richardstreet2104It's not a fact which is missed because it's not universally true.
@@richardstreet2104OVO charge anytime 7p/kw for my car and 20p/kw for the rest of the house
When working in North London lots of people had an electric car for day to day use and a big SUV for the weekends/long journeys. When asked they were very happy with that combo, but mostly said they wouldn’t trust the electric car on long journeys because of range and charging issues. Also the electric car was normally a company car due to the beneficial tax benefits and always leased as they didn’t want to keep them beyond 3 years as the technology changes so rapidly.
That last part is the main reason I don't recommend them. Yes they're great, but the technology is changing so fast you're going to get FOMO from having an older design and the value will plummet like a rock. Like why would anyone want you're used EV which had 250 miles of range new, when in 3 years they may now have 350-400 new? It's the main reason EV depreciation is so much worse.
@@Skylancer727 well that is the point to get cheaper car to mach your requirements. Also we need to force car companies to make these cars retrofit. People are buying nissan leaf gen1 and putting new 62kwh batteries inside. Old car with 120km range now has 450-550km like new tesla.
Moral to this is not to buy either. Who at Mini decided those headrests were good. As per all manufacturers, making cheaper cabins, claiming saving the earth and charging more for a cheaper product. Interesting little video. Did note that depreciation on the electric car was total £20,000 and the petrol was £14,000 over the 3 years. Ouch.
I think you need to buy a new calculator charging from home at night is a third of the price of during the day (because 7p is a third or 22.4p) so an overnight charge should be about £10.50 for the same 150KWh you used to get £33.63 during the daytime charge!
Presume he was adding in the expensive top up too ?
Tomato Energy is only 4.7p from 00:00 to 06:00
Did you miss the bit where he said that was the top up? They would still have to use the public charger while out because it couldn't make it back without.
@@siraff4461 No, they stated that an overnight charge of 7.5 p would be 25 quid. They got it wrong, and even if you had to charge using public chargers you wouldn't use the most expenaive chargers either, you'd use Tesla at 35 p
@@stevejewiss532 No they didn't. Again try listening to what they're actually saying.
I’m fortunate enough to be able to charge at home and my EV can easily do 200 miles on a 90% charge even in Winter. So like most EV drivers who can charge at home, I do 95% of my charging at 7p per kWh which works out at less than £200 to travel 10,000 miles.
£200 for 10000 potential miles but your range is limited to a maximum distance of 100 miles from your house otherwise your costs skyrockets my friend 🚀
@@ArslanAndArslan how often do you have to make a greater than 200 mile round trip in a day?
@@ArslanAndArslanIt’s easy to find a Tesla Supercharger at less than 50p per kWh hour at even then it’s usually just a top up charge. So last year I spent less than £150 on non-home charging. So significantly less than £400 miles total compared to quadruple that in an ICE car.
Average daily mileage in the UK is under 20 miles a dat, so what's your point? @@ArslanAndArslan
@@PedalPowerPanther that 20 or 30 miles is for people in or near cities and the catch is most those people haven’t got access to off road parking to charge their cars.
Enjoy your EV’s guys, enjoy the cost savings and enjoy the depreciation.
If we are all expected to use electric cars then something radical will need to be done about public charging starting now.
We are not all priveledged to have home charging possible.
It's not necessarily just a privilege issue, some of the most expensive property in most cities will be those Georgian terraces that are all over the UK. Those streets are often lined with £100k cars, but they don't have off-road parking and you're lucky if you can park within 100yds of your house most of the time. The policy of sticking the fingers in the ears and pretending not to notice that nearly 30% of UK homes can't charge at home is questionable at best.
We are not expected to all drive electric, whoever told you we are. But we expect all new car sales to be electric by 2030/35. That means there will still be a lot of petrol and diesel cars on the road until 2040-50.
Now go read the national grid plans that we are ahead of schedule on. We are phased migration over the next 25 years.
@@85NickT Not disagreeing but that still means 70% could be driving electric and charging inexpensively at home. Much more so with solar. In other words lets not get distracted by the minority case.
@@crumbschief5628that's slightly disingenuous. Yes we won't all switch over in 2030/2035, but any individual looking to buy a new car, and increasingly be forced to.
I'm not worried about grid infrastructure, electric demand has dropped over the past 10 years by a greater amount than evs are expected to add, so the infrastructure is already there.
Re off street parking. Yes it's not purely a wealth thing, but there is a strong correlation, and it does need addressing. EVs are reaching TCO parity, we shouldn't be shutting poor people out of the cheaper transport option.
@@85NickT It's 44% BTW
Very well presented, as usual. I really appreciate the fact that you guys talk as if you are addresssing adults and don't feel the need to switch into amateur comedic chatter, as some others do for some reason. Thanks
We have Electric Cooper on lease, low deposit and £245 per month, it’s the default choice for our family of four, Obviously with our Wall box it’s cheap charging overnight, we are fortunate to have BMW 340i Touring for any journey over 100 miles, very happy with our choice
If we get to a point where 90% of cars are ev's I doubt the overnight rate will still be 7p/kWh.
Especially if the government keeps pursuing unreliable and inefficient methods of power generation such as windmills and solar panels.
Haven't you heard all our problems will be solved at that point? The EV is the answer to it all, all hail the EV PBUH.
Yup. Someone has to pay for the electric grid upgrades and the extra power plants needed to support all those cars. And the irony is that most of those power plants will likely be using gas…..
@@adamhero459 The overnight rate is cheap because the grid has capacity to spare at night!
@@adamhero459 Not as ironic as you think it is. Natural gas emits a lot less CO2 than petrol. And besides that, an electric engine is more efficient than an ICE one
I've never used a expensive electric car charger in 6 months. I only charge at home using the 7p cap with intelligent go. I've spend £90 in 6 months charging. Before with my BMW I spend £180 per month which was £1080 over 6 months. And my Ioniq 5 gives me 340 miles range.
That public charge price is absolutely bonkers 😆
Can we PLEASE acknowledge the fact that around 1 in 3 - almost ONE THIRD of UK households do NOT have off-street parking, and thus have no opportunity to avail of cheap (or indeed ANY!) household/home charging rates, and thus have NO other choice but use greatly more expensive public charging. This would make this Mini EV THOUSANDS of pounds more expensive over 3 years to run than an equivalent ICE Mini....... and that is a pretty significant cost that thanks to impending government legislation, a significant amount of the British public are going to have to bear above what those fortunate enough (or 'rich' enough?) to have off-street parking will be forced to spend.
I have no home charger, but I use a neighbour's drive ... (Amazing where ingenuity can take you). I use the free fast charger at the shopping centre as well. I save £2k a year running an EV, even with occasional road trips (costs me about £100 a year).
@@michaelbond6842 "but I use a neighbour's drive ..." - You are lucky, how many people do you guess let their neighbour use their drive way? 0.001%?
@@christianschellbruck9788 yes, I am lucky, but you make your own luck. If I didn't have that facility, I would lobby the club at the end of the road for a charger in their car park, or the local Co-op store, or share a neighbour's charging point ... all these are possible, and very credible in the near future. I would also make more use of Electroverse for non-dom charging, which typically saves me 5% and more on sunny/windy days.
I will cheerfully support more kerbside (fast) charging that is much cheaper to install. I also suggest that prices for fast charging should be close to domestic rates. Discount schemes also make sense if you don't have home charging. Otherwise consider picking up an old 2nd hand Tesla which still gets you free charging...
@@christianschellbruck9788co-charge, plug share, just charge all offer community charging at competive rates many equivalent to standard day time tariff.
There are solutions available and in the pipeline and impending being 25 years away ? (PHEV until 2035 and assuming they will last 10-15 years)
Can't believe they visited Longbridge (home of the original mini) in the video but didn't even mention it.
I think most people know that most EV are only a proposition if charged at home on off peak and rarely travel over range and if you use a self charge hybrid or plug in hybrid that also has a self charge element that on its own does 50/60 mpg with the benefit of 7p per kWh within range and add in “no range anxiety” and what will almost certainly be a much lower depreciation especially if you look at 5 year ownership in conjunction with up to 10 year warranty, I can talk from experience “Buy a Hybrid or plug in hybrid”
You lost me at the touch screen. No hardware buttons no go.
At 4’40” you put a graphic up for the power ratings of the EV version… these are totally wrong. Cooper E is 184 bhp and the SE is 218 bhp. Not 246 and 292 respectively.
If the SE was 292 I would definitely buy one… but only when it’s British built!
If you are only looking to buy British built cars then you are not going to have much choice.
And don’t forget, to keep the battery at optimum performance you should not let it get below 20% and above 80%, so your real range is only around 120 miles.
2 things going against the E Mini, its value after 2 years, and its reliability during those 2 years. This test will always show that Mini can only guarantee issues, issues, issues.
30.5mpg for a petrol mini is extremely BAD! For referance my bmw 340i with a 3.0L straight 6 engine could easily hit 40mpg on any journeys outside of cities. Also £40k for an electric mini is insanity, those who can afford that arnt worried about fuel/running costs
…but, over 60% of car owners do not have access to private chargers having no driveway and thus being street parked
@@TijgerTim it’s about 44%. But still, search ‘Kerbo charge’ in Google. This will provide a great solution to a huge chunk of that 44%. Many councils currently offering it for free, too.
They are the first reviewers that have commented about the poor quality interior versus the previous generation. I had a range topping 2019 Clubman, and the interior was fabulous. In fact, everything about it was. The new Mini is very cheap feeling, but they try to deflect from this by putting the large OLED centre display in there, which is very good but cannot mask where they have cut corners elsewhere.
Having driven the new one, keeping my 2020 electric … must add, it’s my first ev and it’s more or less fantastic in every way - it costs peanuts to run, lets add, son just had a simple oil service in his Abarth and was relieved of 800 for the privilege the Mini had its last, let’s call it a service as Mini do … 48 was the bill 🎉🎉 think you are missing this vital piece of info … I had a mail shot from Mini regarding their petrol cars, offering what they called an amazing value offer, a service FROM 750 😱😱😱😱 My Mini is comprised as the all are, I do not go on Motorways ( or would have got a Tesla) but the build quality, driving fun, looks and costs are outstanding, it goes further than they say on a charge, I only charge at home, so hardly noticeable on my electric bill - this old style petrol or ev, me thinks will increase in value once you consider the new one is uglier, not as well made and the screen is just irritating 😊
PS 40000 in on my Mini, brakes look brand new, have ripped through front tyres if I am being honest 😂😂
@@xntrix Oh yeah! E-celleration is hard to resist :)
Your son is being ripped off if it was only an 'oil change', my Lotus Emira costs £450 and includes all filters too. A Bentley Continental GT service from Bentley is around £700.
It's clear EVs are best suited to short commuting trips, especially in cities, where charging is done at the end of the day on an overnight home charger. That is fine for many but not for all. Making it mandatory is legislative nonsense. The market should decide based on the best option for the type of journeys needed.
Nope, I have had an EV since 2020 and regularly go on long roadtrips. I live in Sweden, which is much bigger than the UK. My parents live 530 km from me. No problem. I just charge once and eat at the same time as it's a 6 hour drive.
You can also charge overnight at hotels or at my parents.
Yep. This is about car buying in UK and not other countries!
@@starvictory7079 You can. that doesn't mean everyone can and it certainly doesn't mean everyone else should be forced to.
The UK charging infrastructure has reached a point where long distance EV travel is easy in all but a few places. The market will decide because for lot of people running an EV is much cheaper than an ICE car.
@@crm114. It should be the market, (the high initial cost, the savage depreciation in the first few years, and the end of the huge EV tax incentives!), that should drive how many EVs are adopted. But the government is limiting the number of ICE cars sold by putting £15K fines on each ICE car for manufacturers if they don’t sell enough EVs. It is the damn government interfering and not actually the market deciding for us.
Why Mini is not mini anymore but making big SUVs, they lost their go-kart drive
Thank you for this excellent and informative video. I'm 78 years of age and well remember when the original minis first appeared on UK roads. I was at secondary school and one of the lady teachers bought a red one. A few years later I owned a red one with a black roof and also a grey mini van.
Geoff.
Glad you enjoyed the video, Geoff.
Whats the point in comparing new cars the real people who want advice is the used 5 to 10 year old EV's vs ICE cars ones that don't cost more than £10,000 and we want you to test repair cost/tax/insurance running cost wear and tear costs tires getting a car on finance there are families out there who are living on the breadline
It's impossible to compare old models of cars. Firstly because people don't tend to buy just any car used, the usually see either what is cheapest, what's biggest, etc. You never know how reliable a car will be in 5-10 years as there's cars that make it only 3 years, there's others that make it 30. Like I still see a lot of late 90s Camry's and Corollas on the road.
Being ICE or EV doesn't really change this as we have no idea what will fail on them in that time. ICE is likely to have transmission or engine wear, but EVs may also have battery failure or imbalance all of which result in the cars being scrap.
@@Skylancer727 So you admit ev-s got scrapped eairlier....
I work for BMW (MINI…) for over 20 years now (different dealerships) and owned countless models (MINIs, 1, 2, 3, 5 series), but the price development over the last years is just ridiculous and so I bought a Tesla Model Y this year for 41.000 Euros (app. 35.000 GBP)….. So that‘s 5.000 quid less than for the MINI, which I could park in the trunk of the Tesla 😉 …..and the Model Y is fully equipped and has a bigger range…..
Generic car #5. 🥱
you have to take in to account. engine wear and tear for the petrol then for the leccy version.. how long will the batteries last and how much will it cost to change them?
The average mileage for a car in the uk is 111,000 before being scrapped at around 15 years.The battery is far less likely to need replacing and is under warranty for 8 years. Also at the end of life you can expect well over £1000 for the battery as it will have a second life in static energy storage.
One thing you didn’t mention( I couldn’t find it in the comments after a quick scan) is luxury car tax. From April 2025 in the UK EV’s will also be subject to the first tier of car tax which I believe is £190. Plus if the car is over £40k, luxury car tax which is an additional £410 a year is payable to HM Gov. Unless you go for the base electric model with lowest tier packs it’s very easy to take the EV version over £40k. Who wants to pay £600 a year in road tax?
They didn't factor in the battery usage in winter months. The range usually nearly halves in colder weather which is about 8/9 months of the year in the UK
No where near half! I loose around 20-25 miles out of 250 in winter in Scotland.
@@4039byrne anybody warned the Norwegians that electric cars don't work in the cold?
Or battery degradation over time making the EV scrap after 7-10 years.
@@alasdair6491 compared to the " official range"
@@edwardsierpowski3839 7 years would be nice. Batteries have an 8 year warranty as a rule.
Maybe they have an 8 year warranty because they don't die after 7 years though?
My wife bought the electric mini from new in 2021 and has just changed it to the new petrol mini in 2024.
She sat into her new mini and saw the range of 680km and breathed a sigh if relief.
She was hounded by range anxiety and couldn't take it any more.
We are based in Ireland and the range was absolutely shocking.
She was told that the range was 250km which turned out to be 180km.
We have a holiday home in Rosslare that is 168km from our house and it caused her no end of worry.
She absolutely loves the styling of the mini and has had a Mini since 1991. 33 years!!!!
(she is waiting for an electric VW Beetle to come around so she can switch to one of them for practicality.
Why did she buy an ev with short range?
So she bought the wrong electric car for her needs? Also, this version is better than the previous.
@@logant6490she loves the styling of the Mini and has had them for 33 years! Try reading the post!!!!
@@GlassActivistshe didn’t buy the wrong EV for her needs, she bought an EV which no one needs.
@@Malpriorvids styling is of little use if the car you buy leaves you riddled with range anxiety
That headrest would "do my head in". For a car in this class, it should be adjustable.
18 minutes in and no mention of one-pedal driving in the EV?
I would choose a Tesla Model 3 anytime over these cars, given the budget.
I don't value one pedal driving. Cars have always had two pedals and one pedal driving takes effort to get used to and doesn't even remain consistent when the battery is full. Tesla only added disk braking to the one pedal drive about 2 years ago, before that if your battery was full you just had no braking without the pedal after you left home.
It's a feature like the hold brake on cars. It's somewhat convenient for sitting at a stop light, but when you're in traffic the slow creep is much more convenient. You spend much more time slowly rolling than you do stopped. Plus I've noticed many cars jerk when you hit the accelerator with hold modes on.
@@Skylancer727 The great thing about a lot of cars like Tesla and Kia is they give you that choice - one-pedal driving or not. VW and Steelworks group cars don't.
@connclissmann6514 I just don't see how that's a selling point. The cars have regenerative braking either way and as I said, the average drive is used to how cars already drive. It's such a problem many don't even like cars with CVTs because they don't shift.
And as I said in my last comment, is it better to have a poor one pedal drive that changes effectiveness, or not have it at all? Honestly I think it may be better to just not have it at all. I don't trust most of these brands with software that complex as they can't even get an AC to work right.
@@Skylancer727 Don't want it? Turn it off. Don't trust the software? Don't buy that car.
Cars are ridiculously expensive these days - especially electric cars. So much for encouraging people to become more environmentally conscious.
Just buy a Tesla model 3 which is better in every way and cheaper
Musk means any ev but tesla
The reality is that most people with Minis will drive MUCH less than 12,000 miles per year. The overall average miles per year is 7,400. But this includes people who do many motorway miles for work, week after week. Hardly anyone will buy a Mini to do high mileage. The only way the electric Mini would pay for itself vs the ice, would be if it was driven many miles and that's not going to happen.
The obvious catch there being the people doing the big miles wouldn't be in the electric anyway because its so inconvenient for that use.
@@siraff4461 Exactly. EVs are great for short trips, but you'd need to do high mileage to compensate for the higher up front (and depreciation) cost vs ice.
@@siraff4461I used to do 180 miles a working day. A high milage. An ev is perfect for that. Would have saved me a fortune.
Great review, thanks guys.
I hate touch screen stuff in a car. With it not being tactile you HAVE to look at it while driving.
Old cars had dials, buttons, switches etc. and you KNEW where they were without taking your eyes off the road.
you make a good point about the touch screen, your driving along and you want to change the settings, but you pass old plod, what are their thoughts going to be? Using a mobile? going through all those menu's eyes off the road? yes it was voice active but that worked well didn't it?
but i found something interesting, my neighbour just down the road has a EV and has a charger on their front wall in their drive, i got stopped by a holiday maker asking where the nearest EV charging point was, i looked on a well know map app and my neighbours charger came up on that map, the tourist then informed me they had seen that one, but there was already a car there charging! now what would have happened if his car was not there? as we are seeing now on the internet people are plugging there cars into 'private home' chargers, after all they are being shown on that well known app. what would happen you come home and find a strange car plugged into your charger? would you be happy? would a crime been committed? as pointed out home charging is cheaper than public charging. were do you stand? lots of unanswered questions.
Great review and video, guys.
I just love the comments on here... Err I charge at 7p so it only causes me bugger all... Err not everyone can charge at home using octopus, near me the only super charger is 69p. The slow charger is 49p. At those prices petrol is certainly better and I lose 30 miles of range travelling 15 miles each way to charge
63% of UK homes CAN charge at home, they have drives or garages. 37% cannot oh dear. But 20% of UK homes don't have a car at all.
I have been a Mini owner for over 15 years, first with a Cooper S Cabrio supercharged and then with a R56 Cooper S. The only thing I can say unfortunately is to stay away from BMW, they are selling you cars to keep you there with their diagnostic computers, their cars are built to fail at extremely high rate to after let you spend as much as you spent to buy the car but for repair costs. I sold the last Mini and went with Suzuki, and no matter what you think, now my life has changed in the name of reliability.
You can buy the Mini electric for around £31K BTW and the Cooper from £23K.
I was a little confused by the seemingly equal cost between the Cooper and Electric mini, yet long term ownership was a lot less for the Electric mini.
It's all to do with charging from home isn't it? If you do go on long distances and have to rapid charge at motorway services, there isn't a lot between them all.
Travel within the limited range of the Electric mini and it's a no brainer.
Great review guys!
Interesting, however many aspects were not discussed.(A) Increased Insurance and Leasing/PCP Costs (B) Residual values on EVs have crashed.
If you only do 200 miles a day 73,000 a year or less then you will change at home for 8p kWh or 2p per mile and like me never use public charging.
200 miles a day? What idiot is doing that in their own car?
Thats not how people's lives work though, is it? They do little mileage each day commuting and school runs, etc then a few large trips now and then for holidays/visiting family or whatever.
@@siraff4461 true, making even more sense to go electric for the 48 weeks and then hire a large fossil burner for when you want to drag a caravan to Cornwall and back a couple of times a year 😹 this save having a Range Rover for 52 weeks to do the shopping & school run. Saves a fortune too.
@garrycroft4215 all your savings will be lost to depreciation when you evebtually sell your electric vehicle.
@@Pete_1986 there’s no chance of me ever selling my electric car.
very useful video thank you! The video picture quality is superb!
If there's really nothing much in it, why would people worry about charging their cars and getting stuck with chances of running out when charging points aren't available? Also, I think the resale value of the electric model is a little optimistic.
I just don’t know many people who are buying new cars at the moment,most of my friends are retired and the younger families are keeping their cars for a lot longer ,£30,000 to £40,000 is just not even an option for anyone I know .
Remember when a a brand new cooper was 17k anyone?? price of cars gone TONTO!
And this video has shown me - AVOID BOTH THESE CARS and AVOID going for the EV version of anything!
Those headrests mean no deal for me. I hate uncomfortable seats, and having your head forced forward. 😅
assumes you can charge at home
Perhaps the 30% who can not charge at home should stay with ICE.
Oh there’s always one old fart.
You're comment assumes you've got no mates either to let you charge at there's.
@@martinbingham-l5m it does, its a false economy to assume you can charge at home, maany people couldnt at which point it becomes questionable
@@PlateauproductionsCoNz Not sure about in NewZeland, but in UK there's granny chargers and cable tunnels. So, unless you're talking about being offgrid (In which case I agree, EV bad choice for you), you can usually charge EV from home.
I love that you took these vehicles on a *mini* road trip 😂
1:30 let me save everyone some time.
If you like to waste your money, get an EV. Here are some reasons:
They’re always more expensive to buy.
They will NEVER do their claimed range, particularly if you dare to use the air-con/heating. I have had four EVs, the best you’ll ever get is 80% of the claimed range in summer, more like 60% in winter.
Public chargers are hideously unreliable. So stressful. Not the car’s fault BUT even if they were reliable they’re so expensive - works out about 25p per mile.
EVs are always more expensive to charge than buying petrol UNLESS you’re charging at home on a night tariff where there are some MARGINAL gains (but nothing compared to the initial expensive / shocking depreciation).
If you like driving, EVs are always underwhelming. They’re heavy, there’s no character. It’s like driving a fridge freezer with wheels.
I could go on…
Ice card also get nowhere near the claimed range.
I do, however, get the claimed range in summer in my ev.
Never had a problem with public charging (instavolt). It is expensive but ok for short top ups.
My mg was actually cheaper than an ice equivalent.
Sure, you've owned 4 evs... 😂
@@logant6490 I can get 700 miles easily in my 530d which is over the claimed range.
The best way I can describe owning an EV is like starting every journey with quarter of a tank.
If you’re getting your claimed range that’s because you’re hypermiling. You’re not doing 70mph on the motorway with your air con on.
‘Never had a problem with public chargers’, then you’re one in a million. Just look at Zapmap reviews of random charging stations and you’ll see how unreliable public chargers are. I have never turned up at a petrol station and 8 of 10 pumps are ‘offline’, had to queue for 45 mins to use it or been forced to download an app and given them all my data to fill up.
Cheaper than ICE - yeah, because you bought used so some other poor soul had suffered the depreciation for you.
What were the four EVs you owned? 3 G-Wiz's and a 24kWh Leaf?
25p/mile? Only if you habitually use Instavolt with a fat eTron. No sane person does that.
Thousands of people who actually OWNs EVs would dispute that. We can count and we know we are saving money, and having less emissions is a bonus.
EVs also drive way way better than any petrol car. You can shoot off the traffic light faster than all other non-EVs, and get to the lane you want. The acceleration is also smooth, not disjointed like non-EVs. Ever since I started driving an EV, ICE cars just feel so clunky and unresponsive.
For a no brainer scenario where you get the best of both worlds - cheaper purchase price and cheaper running costs - get that 3 year old second hand EV they are talking about that is in fact cheaper than a petrol car.
What EV's did you own, trains? My car does 4.5 - 5.6 Miles per KWH. Using Tesco public chargers it's 48p per KwH. Using worst case 4.5mile per KwH gives 48/4.5 gives less than 11p per mile. Petrol's about £5.50 per gallon which for average of 40mpg is about 13p per mile. HOWEVER, when using charging at home prices the EV comes out at LESS THEN 2p PER MILE. So what on earth other than an intercity train where you driving that worked out at 25p per mile. A Nissan leaf, pulling two trailer's with another ten Leafs loaded on?
Generally, I think singles or couples are going to buy a 3 door mini so with the rear seats folded it becomes quite practical in terms of boot space..
Wow, their motto should be "Pay more, get less"... At least both EV-drivers and petrol-drivers can probably agree to just not buy any Mini lol
Currently running am F56 cooper s at 15k miles per year and just can’t beat the easy of filling up at the pump and on ,y way again
Basic rule applies - if you can charge at home and mostly operate within its range, an EV makes a lot of sense. Second hand they're a bargain. Otherwise, don't buy one!
Absolutely correct
💯 I can't charge at home and i like to go further than half my range says so it's ICE for me
Manufacturers opt for touchscreen ipad controls because it's cheaper to buy and produce. Far less skill for a factory worker to plug in a cheap android tablet meant to control everything than actually manufacturer a car with physical efficient tactile dials. Cars will go like wristwatches with traditional analogue movement watches being the real classy items.
Why on earth have Ford cancelled the Mondeo and Focus. 2 absolutely brilliant cars.
The original Mini was full of brilliant innovation: although I could never comfortably fit into one. These nasty copies are crap. IMHO, of course ;) But then I thoroughly dislike many German cars.
Ideally buying a 3 year old electric and maximising home charging would be the way to go the big depreciation hit has happened, there's much less servicing costs and the occasion longer trip where you need public charging doesn't matter.
Rather have my old 1098 cc 69 mini cooper, back.😊
very nice tests
Am I mistaken or is a model 3 just under 40k????
It is interesting, because I just tested the electric version for 4 days, and found that all the problems you have identified in the petrol version (too firm suspension, understeer & unresponsive steering, etc.) apply heavily to the electric version too. It certainly did not feel ”so immensely fun to drive” as is often imagined. I still find the Honda e to be much more fun and engaging, which is worrying for Mini, since the Honda e is from 2020…
That motorway noise in both is disgustingly loud! No thanks. 👋🏼
The difference between the two cars (using the figures shown for PCP) is just over £2k, few people make the balloon payment the car just goes back. That being the case it's clearly cheaper to run the electric version, if you can charge at home. Why anyone would buy a Mini electric on PCP is baffling when they could lease the same model (3 years, 12 months up front) for around £300/month and reduce the costs by about £3000.
What mug would buy a new EV! 😂 the initial cost and initial depreciation is ridiculous. Buy one a few years old when the mug has paid the depreciation and there is still some warranty.
Well someone needs to buy new ones so you can buy used 😂
@@Bzzap83 yep, like I said in the comment, let the mugs buy new. A fool and his money is easily parted 🤣🤣🤣
Resale value depends on which EV you buy same with any car. There’s other reasons to buy an EV other than just money. I love my model 3 and it’s way better than any of the other 10 other cars I owned previously.
Made in China and still costs 40k, the profit margin on these is massive. Boycott Chinese made cars...
What taking into consideration the over priced insanity of the car in the first instance...you will never get your money back...ever.
Owned my BMW i3 for almost 4 years, 35k miles in that time. Charging costs at home have totalled £570, spent another £200 on public charging. Service £250 every two years.
For crying out loud. Can you people about to type the same daft comment please watch and actually listen to the video before telling us all about 7p/kWh being the only price they should pay?
One after the next all seemingly with ear muffs on after seeing the cost - which is completely legitimate given the use situation they were in.
Yes it's legitimate and well conducted, BUT do people only drive 279 miles each time? No. Usage patterns make a huge difference to fuel costs for both EV & ICE. 5000 miles of town driving in an ICE will cost vastly more than 5000 miles of motorway munching in an ICE. Conversely EVs cost much less in traffic than they do on the motorway. The way you use the car will make a huge difference to the fuel costs. What they've actually shown here is the ICE car's best case vs the EV's worst case.
@@TheThunderdome-il3ez EV's worst case? One person in it and lovely weather?
Try this again in the depths of winter with a full load and watch how much worse the ev gets while the ice is hardly affected. Same in town. EV's do well while they are using low energy but when they need to provide warmth (such as on so many short journeys around town) it all goes south very quickly.
Also town driving usually doesn't involve much mileage while motorway or higher speed roads do. That means its much less likely you're going to be doing a lot of miles around a town in the first place and even mild hybrids do very well at not using fuel while sitting in traffic. Not as well as an ev but then they don't use much on a motorway or in the cold either.
If you want a real worst case example one of our drivers uses a Renault Zoe to deliver food locally. In the last cold snap it got down to 0.8mi/kWh because of constant short runs, opening door/boot then door again and so on. Every time he came back he was having to plug it in on our wallbox just so he could keep enough in it to make the part time shift. No thats not typical use but sitting at 60mph on a motorway on a nice day certainly isn't worst case either.
How many times a year would you go more than 100 miles from home and back again the same day?
@@kevinashurst634 I've got kids at uni, family who live 240 miles away and a holiday home.
Most weekends is the answer.
@@siraff4461 so absolutely perfect applications for a modern EV with 270 plus miles of range. The mini isrubbish get a Kia or Hyundai or Volvo or polestar or a BMW there are hundreds to choose from. Loads of choice charge up at your holiday home, it has got electricity?
Why not do a test where you live with an EV for a week, charging at home on an overnight tariff - with a single longer trip included in the test. That is how most EV users would use their cars? Most people average around 20 miles a day to and from work with perhaps a longer trip (say 150 miles there and back) at the weekend to see family or go to an event.
Any savings in fuel are negated when you try to sell your EV. Then again, everyone is leasing right?
@@sargfowler9603 Sure - I lease my EV - wouldn’t do otherwise at present
Not really a fair test. If you're testing the EV at it's best it's not properly comparing them. Plus as they said, they compared using combined grid and high speed charging because many don't even have access to grid at home and for long trips it will always be combined.
And living with it for a week won't change the results of this direct comparison. They're not buying the car and trying to live with it, they're comparing them. That's completely up to consumers which fit they're lifestyle and people with unique lifestyles will have unique costs. Why they also showed cost to only high speed charge. The whole point was to show a direct comparison of both cars used identically.
I have just bought a 2022 electric mini at half price of new one. I only charge it from my solar ( here in Cape town the sun shines a lot more) the most fun city car money can buy and no fuel cost at all. That's a winner!
‘Now we’re going to do this completely fair comparison test by pick the most expensive charger we can possibly find and then pretending it’s the same for everyone all of the time’
Like the most expensive petrol when the car could easily do the journey on a tank of the cheapest around?
Amazing all these ev flag wavers missed that one.
You see, that's the difficult thing to work out. Everyone is different and what may be good for you will be bad for someone else. With ICE cars, you know what you're getting and petrol costs are pretty much the same everywhere. Roll in an EV and you have either very cheap motoring or twice as expensive as petrol motoring. That's what makes it difficult to work out.
I feel sorry for the guys on WhatCar because they were bound to upset some people.
@@siraff4461 They should have started with a full tank on the petrol, bought at their local garage or whatever, and a full charge on the EV. The petrol car would not need to be filled during the journey, but they should then fill it when they get back home. Similarly with the EV - full charge to start, one small top-up of about 40 miles during the journey, then charge up at home overnight. It would have been much cheaper with the EV.
@@sargfowler9603 Um - how do you get 'or twice as expensive'? It is actually fairly simple to work out. If you only charge on public chargers, even without using the cheaper ones, or membership ones, it will cost a similar amount for an EV or an ICE car. Charge at home, overnight, at least some of the time, and it will be very much cheaper with an EV.
@@steveknight878 Public rapid chargers are 80p/kwh. To get 49 miles (assume 3.5miles per kwh) will take 14kw (14*80p) = £11.20 .
An ICE vehicle will easily go 49 miles on a gallon of petrol. This will only cost £6.22 (4.54 * £1.37).
You really, really need to charge an EV at home or for 40p/kwh or less otherwise an ICE may well be cheaper.
Very well balanced and fair review which you don't see often on social media. I was expecting you to stop at the rapid charging price and not mention the real cost to charge at home which is done 95% of the time. For me the electric car fits perfectly in my life.
40.000 for a Mini thats 20.000 overkill
Sorry is this 2015 in your small brain
You don’t have a brain 🧠 at all so please grow up
Made in China for peanuts.
Very nice review. Well balanced.
My only criticism is about your charging decision:
It is often fairly easy to find a destination where you can slow charge over night, then you wouldn't need the stop to charge.
Additionally, you charged the next day, with a cold battery, at medium state of charge. While a battery generally accepts more power if it's slightly warm, and at a lower state of charge.
How did they manage to get £25 for overnight charging at 7p on the electric Mini. You get 5 hours at 7p these days, or 35kWh at £2.45 which be 70% of the battery on the larger battery mini or 90% on the smaller battery and you aren’t going to be starting from 0 (or charging to 100% unless you have a road trip planned). Most EV drivers are going to charging on overnight AC 90% of the time. On those rates you’d be spending about £500 to fuel the Mini for 12k miles, whereas the petrol vs would be 5x that
Hello - just to clarify...
We weren’t trying to dream up a scenario in which the electric Mini could do a 279-mile round trip without visiting a public charger. Its real-world range in the summer and when driven gently (another video we'll be posting in a few days) is around 210 miles.
As Doug explains in the outro, the different costs we give assume only that final home charge was either at 22.4p/kWh or 7p/kWh. That still leaves the 24.8kWh top-up in Birmingham at 85p/kWh.
So, at the current price cap... (24.8kWh @ 85p/kWh) + (56.0kWh @ 22.4p/kWh). Total cost = £33.63.
And at a cheap overnight tariff... (24.8kWh @ 85p/kWh) + (56.0kWh @ 7p/kWh). Total cost = £25.03
We’re confident our calculations are correct. Clearly, if you were an owner only ever making shorter journeys and were able to do 100% of your charging at home then the charging costs would be lower.
We do assume 100% home charging for the three-year cost calculation at 32.04, clearly showing the electric Mini can be much cheaper if owners are exclusively plugging in at home.
Hope this helps.
@@whatcar but you don't do the calculation for charging at home "always" at 7p.
Exactly what most of the EV owners moaning at you are pointing out, because it's what most of us do.
The one cost going against an EV that you don't mention is the cost of getting a home charger.
That would pay for a good amount of petrol.
@@grahamleiper1538 Most people don't count home charger costs as some cars come with them and it's a one time price that you can continue to use on future cars.
In my opinion the petrol version looks way better and keeps more off the Mini look & feel.
Boy they destroyed the mini look
Putting a badge on them which says "Mini" doesn't make them real Minis.
I agree Alan the Germans get everywhere these days...STOP SELLING BRITISH MARKS AND INDUSTRIES TO FOREIGNERS
Please correct or withdraw this article. The marths for the EV charging cost are massively wrong. It's literally impossible to spend £25 on electricity overnight at home. The actual cost using say Octopus' tariffs is almost TEN TIMES LESS than what you mis-calculated/misrepresented. If you're serious at trying to compare ICE with EV then correct this articles maths. If, on the other hand, you were deliberately fabricating figures then well done. EVERYBODY can see you bias now.
Hello Martin - just to clarify...
We weren’t trying to dream up a scenario in which the electric Mini could do a 279-mile round trip without visiting a public charger. Its real-world range in the summer and when driven gently (another video we'll be posting in a few days) is around 210 miles.
As Doug explains in the outro, the different costs we give assume only that final home charge was either at 22.4p/kWh or 7p/kWh. That still leaves the 24.8kWh top-up in Birmingham at 85p/kWh.
So, at the current price cap... (24.8kWh @ 85p/kWh) + (56.0kWh @ 22.4p/kWh). Total cost = £33.63.
And at a cheap overnight tariff... (24.8kWh @ 85p/kWh) + (56.0kWh @ 7p/kWh). Total cost = £25.03
We’re confident our calculations are correct. Clearly, if you were an owner only ever making shorter journeys and were able to do 100% of your charging at home then the charging costs would be lower.
We do assume 100% home charging for the three-year cost calculation at 32.04, clearly showing the electric Mini can be much cheaper if owners are plugging in exclusively at home.
Hope this helps.
@@whatcar Since you’re attempting to pretend this is a valid article on the year in year out running costs of EVs compared to ICE, then lets look at your scenario in it’s entirety. Because of households now owning more than one car, the average car only does around 7000 miles per year now (Google it). Yet, in you scenario for seeing which cars are cheaper, you do a test for someone doing 100,000 miles per year(279 miles per day). As your title implies day to day running costs. What was that you just said about not dreaming up scenarios again? So then, now that we’ve just proven it was in fact you who dreamt up this scenario to distort the comparison, lets get to the figures again. Only using typical usage values. After all, you title implies to answer the question for the typical user. Nowhere does it imply the article if for the 0.1% of people who drive 100K per year. At 7000 miles that’s 27 miles a day five days a week. At 4.5 miles per KwH which is also typical for an EV, that’s precisely 6 KwH. Which at 7p per KwH is 43p per day to run an EV for a ‘real world’ scenario. Rather than the 100,000 miles per year scenario you dreamt up to discredit EVs. Now lets do the same for your Mini ICE averaging 38 miles per gallon. Lets be generous and call it 40mpg. At £5.50 per gallon uk average(google it), 27 miles works out at 27/40x550p = 371p per day. That’s a whooping saving of 260x(371-43) = £820 PER YEAR. Assuming a typical EV is doing the national average of 7000 miles per annum, with Approx 260 Week days in year. Now, provided you either have a cooled battery, or you only home charge at say 3.6Kw, the batteries ought to last 20 years. My Leaf is 9 years old now and still has 11 of 12 bars battery health. Not because its not been driven, it’s done well over the national average 60,000 miles. Rather, because it’s never been speed charged. It can still do over 3 times the daily average above. And, assuming same rate of appalling battery degradation for the next 11 years, will still be able do the 27 miles per day easily, when it’s 20 in the year 2035. Which means that over it’s lifetime, it will have saved its various owners 20x850 = £17,000.
But there’s more. The cars are so much cheaper to maintain as there’s far fewer moving parts. No gearbox, clutch, alternator, fuel pump, water pump, piston, oil pump, crankshaft, cam shaft…you get the idea. The Leaf’s electric motor is good for 500,000 miles. So, why not replace the battery after 20 years. That’ll only cost you £3500 as you’ll get £1000 for the old one in exchange. So lets take that 500,000 miles a moment. At 7000miles per year, that’s roughly 70 years or 5 battery changes. That’s £17500 for 5 replacement batteries. Which sounds a lot. Until you realise that’s still a potential saving of 820x70-17500 = £42,000 saved over the cars potential lifetime in a ‘Dream’ scenario.
These cars probably aren’t going to last 70 years, though they could… I just showed what an EV dream scenario actually looks like, so you can see how distorted a picture a petrol head’s dream scenario like yours really is. But even in your petrol head dream scenario, you still don’t break even against an EV. And in a greenies dream scenario of a Nissan Leaf plus costing £37000 when new, it literally 100% PAYS FOR ITSELF by saving you a massive £42,000 pounds across it’s lifetime.
Still think you should withdraw your article. Its clear from your response that you’re neither prepared to admit you’re title is misleading, nor that the resultant maths do not in anyway reflect a real world day in day out costing scenario.
I know my maths isn’t great but if I recharge at 22p rate and cost is £33 and overnight rate is less than a third of that at 7p shouldn’t I be paying about £10, not £25?
Why didn't you charge at the 35p destination chargers in the Bullring car park? Why didn't you get a hotel with chargers?
Why didn't you factor in servicing costs?
Why didn't you compare lease deals?
Such terrible journalism.
Cos they are still biased and that would make the EV far better
@@Popdog76Yes, very poor.
Surely the fact they didn't/weren't able to use the best options for charging is better, as that's a more realistic scenario? Sometimes chargers aren't working or aren't available, and they'll have to use whatever is around.
They also did factor in servicing, a comparison which the EV handily won.
Why did they use service station fuel when they could easily have done the journey on a tank of the cheapest? Why does anyone use expensive chargers ever?
Maybe its because people don't plan every journey like a military operation and in fairness shouldn't need to to get a normal price.
Servicing is included with new minis - or at least it has been for the three I've bought in the past so thats equal.
Insurance certainly isn't though. I have a lot of no claims and a very long driving history but was still quoted almost double for the electric. For me thats still not all that much - though its a bit cheeky - but I can imagine if someone already pays a high premium (say they live in London or whatever) then its likely to be quite the setback.
@@paulleonard1296 So you have to plan ahead for EVs, can’t just turn up somewhere. Get a hotel that has chargers even if they cost more, cos you’ll save on petrol right? Servicing is needed for EVs too you know. Some people buy cars but I know you never, ever buy EVs because they go down more quickly than Starmers popularity.
Either Mini have completely fallen off a cliff or something doesn’t add up about the petrol’s economy figure. I often drive a latest gen Clubman Cooper S with a manual, and I don’t drive it slowly, yet I always see 40+ mpg and, having checked, the average mpg readout is always spot on.
Yes, yes they are… 2-3 pence per mile with Octupus Go tariff. End of discussion.
Will that tariff be available in the long term? 5 years?
@@brainwrongs the prices have come down since the energy costs peaked 18 months ago. There’s also a ceiling on those costs as solar panels continue to fall. If your electric at home sky rockets, you can invest in solar. Also petrol and other energy costs are linked to the base price of electricity, as oil refineries use a considerable amount of electricity! So yes… electric is always going to be more cost efficient.
@@joeynessily as you touch on with solar panels, without your own energy supply you are at the mercy of the market and the whims of private companies.
@@brainwrongsYou mean just like the oil Cartels that sky rocketed the price of fuel a few years back, I had to pay £1.77 at the time per litre
@@SWR112 fair point! I use waste vegetable oil as fuel and forget how expensive pump fuel is.