This Senton definitely looks great. It seems to be more interesting than the Fury, although a bit more expensive, it should be the better option for me personally. I'm excited to this Senton run.
I really liked how most previous arrma 2in1 esc and receiver combos that I had, had an external receiver port. So I could add my own receiver without having to replace the esc immediately. I'm fine with 2in1 combos on cheap entry level stuff, but IMHO, the 3S/2-2-3s level stuff should have septate esc and receiver.
@@DoRC I know the Gorgons 2in1 has an external receiver port. Also the senton boost 4x2 had one. I am sure more did, but those are the brushed ones I messed with.
Besides the added center diff, clip-less body, etc., the 80 amp 2 -in1 esc seems to be the trade off for getting a gyro equipped model for essentially the same price as the v3. However, it appears they placed the esc on a receiver box (empty) in the event you add your own.
The problem with this new power system is not necessarily it being a 2 in one esc but with it being in a car this big, especially if the esc fails then you have to get a esc and a receiver, not to mention that they already had more than adequate electronics that they could’ve taken from the vortex’s , body is nice though ignoring the loose latch
@@DoRCI don’t think 6s sell as well as the Groms or less costly models. I called my LHS a month ago trying to get two Mojave Groms for my kids and they were sold out and had a waiting list of 35+ people on it for the next shipment arriving. I’m sure Arrma has data on what sells better.
Agreed, I am confused by people mentioning the v3 and combination esc receiver, mine arrived with separate. Not a fan of that body colour that's personal taste. Still not a fan on body clip systems as they all seem to come off when bashing. Obviously if arrma has managed to make one that remains attached it's a good thing. But what am I going to do with the hundreds of spare body pins... but I don't really see much difference, maybe in the flesh it will be a different story, but not till I have got a Mojave 4s.
@@DoRC truly ugly body, 2 in 1 esc😂 and since this seems like arrma is giving a little (center diff) and taking a some (esc, usable reciever) I'm Not interested. Roller on ebay will be my option for next summer IF I want to try a new senton chassis.
nice!! looks like i'll be able to very easily upgrade my v3 to this body. i've already got the center diff, metal ball ends, and upgraded shocks. the body is dope though!! and good on them putting the diff in finally.
New body is egh but I love how it’s clipless gonna make it work for my v3, but no new driveshafts is disappointing that is the biggest weakness to this car.
Awesome truck and great video, I have thought of getting one of these to replace my Slash 4x4 Ultimate if it does well enough when i buy mine the only thing that is worrying to me is the 2 in 1 ESC but it looks like they retained the older receiver box. But the center differential is a huge upgrade to this platform and is the main reason i will get this truck to replace my old Slash 4x4 as well as the quick release body system.
@@DoRC I thought it would still be there, I might buy one of these trucks next year and see if it's worthy of becoming a replacement of my old Slash 4x4.
I just wish they made these new 2 in 1s dual protocol with DSM as well as SLT so you could run them on the DX5/DX6 radios. I think the updates gave them the perfect opportunity to do that and they didn't.
Ill prolly try and see if i fit the center diff in my v3 monster senton, not a fan on 2 in 1 setups, i understand cost saving but dont mess with what already have. Liking the guards on the chassis.
Looks aimed to compete with the Pro4 SC10 since the changes they made are basically what the SC10 came with that made people prefer it over other SCT in that price bracket I wonder how it'll be in a track setting? Looks like it also has space for swaybars too. They did good here esp with pricing (learn from that Traxxas) The only things I'm disappointed in are the 2in1 which isn't a deal breaker since most people change it out anyway. The plastic ring gears, but those tend to be durable And the usual spacer shocks, it's 2024 give us threaded shocks man 😅
I don't know. I'm sure it's not designed as a track vehicle but to my very untrained senses it feels pretty planted. I bet it would be at least halfway decent in the right hands
Great stuff, as always! I'm not a huge fan of the ESC/Receiver combo. I like them separate for a few reasons. Do love the Senton though and this looks decent other than that. 👍
Two steps forward, one step back. Kind of unfortunate. Yay! No more slipper clutch Boo! 2-in-one ESC Yay! Clippess body Yay! Metal balls ! Don't you dare put a 2-in-one in my precious Granite.
This definitely looks interesting, though I’m not fully sure about that combined esc&receiver. Well, if the stock esc will be good enough for me not needing to change it - maybe one day I will consider buying it ;)
It all looks great except for the esc reviver combo, from past experiences the reviver being exposed to all of that heat makes them a lot more unreliable, I just wonder if it is to try to keep you on the spectrum platform or to counter the sealed receiver box patented.
@@IsaacSchultz-lz8jc I think it's more likely the other way around. They probably wanted the two-in-one and had to find a different manufacturer to do it. Who knows though. They could still be hobbywing ESCs but they really don't look like it
Keeping my vortex’s 3s not gonna go to the 223s for a worse power system due to the 2 in one esc and receiver. I would just personally recommend getting a center diff kit online off of AliExpress for only 40$
I think it's really only worse if you want to upgrade one or the other. My guess is that most people who buy these things never end up upgrading the electronics so for them it won't matter
The car looks really nice but the 2 in 1 esc… really how are people going to bind this to a DX6 or any controller of there choice. And the plastic diffs i striped so many of those on my Vorteks 3s
I was about the pull the trigger on the rwd vorteks and fury, but kept thinking they would release a brushless one soon. But now that the 3s line is going to gave center diffs it makes them a lot more interesting. I thought i was going to be sold on the fury blx but at only 110 more for not only 4wd, but also center diff im torn. Im assuming the rwd is a lot easier and less costly to maintain? Im excited to think about the vorteks and granite, and even an updated gorgon with a tough body so might wait till we see whatelse they give us in 3s.
Yeah rear wheel drive will definitely be less maintenance in the long run just cuz there's less to it but the four-wheel drives are also pretty reliable So I wouldn't necessarily make my decision based on that
@DoRC Arrma sure isn't making it easy with so many amazing options. I had been eyeing a mt10 because it already has a center diff and is tough but I'm kind of excited to see what they do with the rest of the 3s line.
@GeorgieBud2020 I don't actually have this car. It's just a news video. Based on the pictures though I don't think it's much different and I have had a couple of rocks get jammed up over the years on this platform but I think whether or not you have that problem is largely dependent on the size of rocks in your bashing areas and I guess where I live rocks just aren't that size so it doesn't happen very often.
@@DoRC thank you. Appreciate the info. I live in the desert, rocks of all sizes. How would I contact the engineers who designed the Senton? If that's even possible.
@@GeorgieBud2020 No Chance. They have a bit more protection against rocks and so on. But the problem will be nearly the same. Arrma 3s is not for little rock areas.
hi do rc, im a fan of your channel and wanted to comment to ask if you know about the typhon and vorteks 223s 4x4 - they're listed in the size comparison for the senton 223s. also, the kraton (v5 rtr), notorious, and mojave 6s all say "next shipment date unknown." do you think this means we'll be getting 6s v6's this year? anyways that was some catastrophic yapping but keep up the great vids!
I saw the two other cars that were listed and that pretty much guarantees they're coming. As far as the V6 cars I have no idea. I would have expected to see them already as I thought we would at least see something pretty quickly after the V2 EXB came out but nothing so far so it's anybody's guess at this point.
Yeah I bet that most people who buy these cars never touch the electronics so for most of their demographic it won't matter but for us enthusiastic would be nice for them to be separate
I keep having trouble with my slipper in my Typhon 3S, that stupid nylon slipper nut strips out and you gradually lose power while driving until it’s dead. Then you have to disassemble the whole darn thing to get there. If they re-release the Typhon with a center diff, which it really seems likely, I’m grabbing a center diff and dropping it into my V3. At this point my Typhon 3S has 4S diffs and slipper (from the 4SV2 line). Might as well just buy a darn 6S next time, tired of spending money slowly upgrading things.
@@RcPlayer-tt2vw I'm not sure what you're referring to - are you saying to replace the nylon piece with a nut and wrench it down to essentially turn it into a spool? Also not sure what video to look for.. if you have any more information I would appreciate it 👍
I don’t mind the idea of a 2n1 Esc / receiver but the big let down for me (correct me if I’m wrong) is the lack of DSMR support. I run Spektrum radios. I like having all of my cars on one radio. With any of these new arrmas I’ll have to immediately buy a new Esc and receiver should I decide to run my Dx5.
As far as I know the SLT and DSMR systems or not compatible. I know there was one SLT receiver that could be switched to DSMR but I don't believe these have that capability
Hard no on the 2n1. Don’t like needing to replace the esc if you change radios to a non Spectrum set up. I’m sure that’s how they intend to keep more sales on Spectrum radios. Unless there’s a way to bind other radios such as Futaba and I am missing something. Otherwise I love it! That probably wouldn’t stop me from buying it. I’ve been a Traxxas fanboy a long time… but when I see what you get per dollar spent from a lot of Arrma’s lineup compared to Traxxas, yeah I’m starting to look at the Arrma site more often than not as I dream of my next 3s purchase. If I were to get a 4wd or 2wd SCT right now it would be an Arrma and I really REALLY love my Slashes. 🤷♂️
Yea i like the clipless system but have to agree I prefer the more squared look of the first senton body not sure what version that is but its by far my favorite
Aesthetics is a very personal thing of course, but to me this new senton is proper fugly, sort of cartoonish. Will probably still sell in decent numbers though, and I seem to be in the minority not liking it anyway 😂
Yeah they're wording can be a little misleading. They did update the pinion gear to steal but the ring gear appears as though it's still going to be plastic.
The 2-in-1s seem fine in Groms but it’s a dealbreaker for me with the 3s line. Pushes me toward buying a roller on eBay or upgrading my current 3s via JennysRC.
It's entirely possible but it just doesn't feel like one. It's hard to put my finger on it but everything feels just a little bit different than hobbywing does things.
Not sure if I want this one or that typhon coming out sometime I am just going to start saving an Wait till the vortex an typhon get released before I decide which one I want I can only get one so gotta wait till I see the other two
3:09, Nope, they´re putting metal ring gear differentials in there as seen on their website. And I´m glad they do because these plastic ring gears keep stripping out on all my 3s cars. :-)
Old trick, nothing new. Now the big plastik gear will strip first and you have more work to change that. But its ok. I have done the metal input gear "upgrade" myself .
@@DoRC This is not misleading, this is lying. Okay, they talk about "metal gear differentials", which would be true for the internals and input gear, but showing a full metal ring gear differential and calling it a "super tough transmission" is simply lying. Of course Arrma will have some sort of disclaimer put somewhere, where pictures shown can differ from actual. But no, I spent lots of money upgrading my differentials already, I´m not buying this one. I was holding of on getting the Mojave 4s, to see what Arrma would do with their 3s line, but now the Mojave it is. 🙂 Thanks though for the video!
@ that’s an off choice. Back when they were CNC, the teeth were like half the length on the metal vs plastic. Maybe they’re updated or maybe arrma just don’t care about having 50% tooth engagement
Okay nope don't work in the RC industry, but I like to bash, at a good price. , I don't remember if there's oil in the diffs. In my opinion there should be, and also if you don't upgrade cool, that esc combo will work with the gyro but what about us tinker's? I myself never seen a use for a gyro on a basher but hey these things do get turned into something else just for the fun of It, that might make use of a gyro. Say speed runs in damp conditions.
Man, I dont mind the 2 in 1 on the Groms, even the Fury since its meant to be an entry point to the hobby, but its starting look like its going to be on everything going forward, and Im not a fan of that. If I want to use the same remote I use for everything else I need to replace the ESC on anything I might buy? No thanks. If they do the same thing with the 4s/6s line when it gets revised I probably won't be buying any new Arrmas outside of the Groms.
Hard to know for sure. I will say that most people probably don't ever put an aftermarket body on their cars so it's likely not a major consideration for them
I hate the 2 in 1. It’s fine in the groms but I think it’s a little ridiculous in the larger rigs. Now instead of buying a Futaba receiver for it I have to change the esc as well. And at the point I might as well change the motor out too. And now it just became a money pit
Yeah and for those of us that use our own transmitters it is kind of a pain. I suspect that Horizon has investigated this and found that the vast majority of their target demographic for these vehicles don't ever mess with the electronics so from there standpoint it's probably just not a problem.
@ i suppose you’re right on that. For me I’m just so used to immediately taking out the stock receiver and using my futaba on any vehicle I have that I forget that the vast majority might not do that
@AMM0394 same here. The second I saw the two in one I had the same thought you did but especially with these cheaper cars we are probably in the minority. If we weren't I doubt they would have done it.
Arrma is just awesome but i dont like the 2 in 1 esc it's ok for the groms but not for bigger cars because i like upgrading all my cars. Also i don't think you can program the 2 in 1 esc and that sucks.
@DoRC Found a way that I could get this !!!! A friend has an older Senton that he wanted to upgrade the electrics. So he's buying it, stripping the electronics, and I'm buying basicly a rolling chassis that I can hop-up cheaper and with the reciever I want. 😀😃😄😁
@billyjones589 gotcha. I'm not terribly surprised. These cars are specifically designed as bashers and there are probably a lot of cars that would beat them on a track.
jeez we were just getting away from the 2 in 1 junk and actually shaming the chinese about doing things that way...to jump in to the conspiracy esc power switch,i have a carisma that looks something like it.
Maybe though to be fair I'm guessing the vast majority of people who buy these cars never replace the electronics. My opinion is kind of biased because I'm always replacing electronics but I get the feeling if this was going to be a problem for a lot of people Horizon wouldn't have done it.
Maybe. I suspect the vast majority of people who buy these things don't ever upgrade them So as long as they work out of the box it's probably okay for the target demographic
@@DoRC No Center Diff looks completly different. They messed up the picture or something else. They have a picture and text with their metal diffs on it (same diff as arrma boost diff or arrma 4s v2)
I’d like to just say🤦♂️ I’m sure the world has been waiting for a v4 of these trucks as the v3 was so good but from looking at this it’s quite disappointing, yes it’s got a centre diff which may help with handling on the senton and typhon, pointless on a big rock or granite. The most ridiculous thing on this truck is the electronics, an esc receiver combo… really! Arrma actually going backwards! Bet it’s not cheap either
I actually think the center differential is most important on the bigger heavier trucks with bigger tires. It's not really so much a tuning feature but a drivetrain protection feature
@@DoRC so what you’re saying is the center diff is pointless as well? I totally agree! What they should have done is do all metal drive train and made it a 3s EXB , maybe put a bash bar on? That’s more exiting
@@se-rc-uk no I definitely wouldn't say that. I think the center differential is one of the most important features on any basher. It allows decoupling of the front and rear drivetrain which really takes a lot of stress off of drivetrain components while bashing. I just think it's the most important on bigger heavier vehicles
Alright it is a new approach with the 2 in one receiver/esc and I suppose that it would make the overall price more budget friendly, but why did they had to go with a cover that is similar to the FURY ? I mean that was the beauty and the cover of the MOJAVE was the beast ? Messier DO RC it is ugly !!!!! I mean really ugly. But it might turn out to be a great rc rig after all. Great but ugly.
@ it eliminates the ability to use so many bodies that have been in production. Now you’re stuck only buying from armma which will mean $$$. Traxxas did the same thing.
@@ItBetterBeFast soon everybody will have clippless. its 2024. traxxas does it, now arrma. i dont like it, but its ok. The Gorgon one is terrible. The Fury one is a bit terrible. The new Senton one could be ok to use.
The ESC sucks. The privios one is a 100A ESC. Now they pu a 80A one in it. And you don’t have the option to change the fan to a more powerful one. Seems like Arrma is going the same way like Traxxas. They don’t wan‘t that you live the Arrma world and you have to spend your money on their products.
I'd recommend giving it a try before being too upset about it. The same basic form factor is in the fury brushless and I really like it. I had no problems with the fan breaking and I think overall it's a decent setup. I do agree that the two and one thing is a bit of a bummer though
I think it depends. My guess is that the vast majority of people who buy these cars never touch the electronics so from that point of view it's probably fine
@@DoRC i hate them after a few years. After 200 packs with many of these cars i have changed way to many stripped gears. Its not too bad, but it is the Nr.1 weak spot in these cars.
What is "TC" ? Torte Course ? Tart coochie ? Tin can ? I'm sorry I'm 43 and there are way too many acronyms to guess which one you use. Taco cat ? Typhoid carrier ? Tiny crap ? Tasty cookie ? Trap clap ?
Sweet truck. Arrma seems to understand it's fan base!
Yep they do listen!
Traxxas buyers?
This Senton definitely looks great. It seems to be more interesting than the Fury, although a bit more expensive, it should be the better option for me personally. I'm excited to this Senton run.
It definitely looks like a sweet car! Thanks for watching :-)
Finally! The center diff!! Can't wait for the V2 3s monster trucks to come out with it 💪
Yeah I suspect the whole line Go get updated but I guess we'll just have to Wait and see.
Your videos are always the best. I watch everything in 2x speed but your videos i watch .75 speed multiple times....
Yeah I try to keep things as fast paced as possible without going crazy. I hate sitting around waiting for people to think of things to say etc :-)
I really liked how most previous arrma 2in1 esc and receiver combos that I had, had an external receiver port. So I could add my own receiver without having to replace the esc immediately.
I'm fine with 2in1 combos on cheap entry level stuff, but IMHO, the 3S/2-2-3s level stuff should have septate esc and receiver.
Not familiar with those. Which ones had that feature?
@@DoRC I know the Gorgons 2in1 has an external receiver port. Also the senton boost 4x2 had one. I am sure more did, but those are the brushed ones I messed with.
Besides the added center diff, clip-less body, etc., the 80 amp 2 -in1 esc seems to be the trade off for getting a gyro equipped model for essentially the same price as the v3. However, it appears they placed the esc on a receiver box (empty) in the event you add your own.
it is fact. empty reciever box with esc mounted on it.
Yep
Finally a center diff. We all knew that was coming.
We all hoped it was coming at least :-)
The problem with this new power system is not necessarily it being a 2 in one esc but with it being in a car this big, especially if the esc fails then you have to get a esc and a receiver, not to mention that they already had more than adequate electronics that they could’ve taken from the vortex’s , body is nice though ignoring the loose latch
Yeah that definitely is a potential disadvantage.
The 6s lineup needs some love. The rolling changes with the V5's are cool but it'd be nice to see something entirely new.
I'm actually surprised we haven't seen More new 6s releases. I figured we would even roll out pretty quickly after the EXB came out
@@DoRCI don’t think 6s sell as well as the Groms or less costly models. I called my LHS a month ago trying to get two Mojave Groms for my kids and they were sold out and had a waiting list of 35+ people on it for the next shipment arriving. I’m sure Arrma has data on what sells better.
Nope. Keeping my v3 senton and going to buy a backup body right now😅.
What don't you like?
Agreed, I am confused by people mentioning the v3 and combination esc receiver, mine arrived with separate. Not a fan of that body colour that's personal taste. Still not a fan on body clip systems as they all seem to come off when bashing. Obviously if arrma has managed to make one that remains attached it's a good thing. But what am I going to do with the hundreds of spare body pins... but I don't really see much difference, maybe in the flesh it will be a different story, but not till I have got a Mojave 4s.
@@DoRC truly ugly body, 2 in 1 esc😂 and since this seems like arrma is giving a little (center diff) and taking a some (esc, usable reciever) I'm Not interested. Roller on ebay will be my option for next summer IF I want to try a new senton chassis.
This is just as fast as the V3 and much more durable with the reinforced body structure. Center diff is just the icing on the cake.
Idk why with the 2 and one esc but I love my v3 vorteks and granite all the other updates are much welcome, Arrma is really killing it this year 💪🏼🤘
I suspect it's just a cost saving thing.
@ I tend to agree hopefully the v4s with the center diff don’t cog down low that was the only power gripe I had with my 3s arrmas
nice!! looks like i'll be able to very easily upgrade my v3 to this body. i've already got the center diff, metal ball ends, and upgraded shocks. the body is dope though!! and good on them putting the diff in finally.
Yeah the center differential is great!
This has to be one of the biggest updates they've ever made to an already famous model.
They definitely addressed a lot of concerns
New body is egh but I love how it’s clipless gonna make it work for my v3, but no new driveshafts is disappointing that is the biggest weakness to this car.
I suspect people will have fewer problems with the drive shafts now that it has a center differential
@ I hope so
If I didn’t have a slash I would buy this, looks sick and better than a slash
Definitely more value for money
Awesome truck and great video, I have thought of getting one of these to replace my Slash 4x4 Ultimate if it does well enough when i buy mine the only thing that is worrying to me is the 2 in 1 ESC but it looks like they retained the older receiver box. But the center differential is a huge upgrade to this platform and is the main reason i will get this truck to replace my old Slash 4x4 as well as the quick release body system.
Yeah the receiver box is still there
@@DoRC I thought it would still be there, I might buy one of these trucks next year and see if it's worthy of becoming a replacement of my old Slash 4x4.
The colors are really nice 👍🏻
I like that they are branching out and not just sticking with safe color schemes
The 2 in one receiver r nice 👌 but the motor speed control combos 👍
They do have their advantages.
Great info!!!!
Thanks for watching :-)
Pretty cool they will be dropping a new vortek and typhon as you know I been wanting a vortek for awhile glad I've waited...
Yeah I saw that on the advertisement for the senton
@ pretty cool I'm only disappointed in them for not giving us the metal F/R diffs tho
I just wish they made these new 2 in 1s dual protocol with DSM as well as SLT so you could run them on the DX5/DX6 radios. I think the updates gave them the perfect opportunity to do that and they didn't.
It is kind of surprising that the latest IXSR transmitter does not have SLT compatibility.
Ill prolly try and see if i fit the center diff in my v3 monster senton, not a fan on 2 in 1 setups, i understand cost saving but dont mess with what already have. Liking the guards on the chassis.
It'll fit. You might need to do a little bit of trimming under the differential in the chassis but other than that it fits no problem
@DoRC then I'll prolly keep my v3 and upgrade it
Love the push clips
Yeah pretty neat design
Looks aimed to compete with the Pro4 SC10 since the changes they made are basically what the SC10 came with that made people prefer it over other SCT in that price bracket
I wonder how it'll be in a track setting? Looks like it also has space for swaybars too. They did good here esp with pricing (learn from that Traxxas)
The only things I'm disappointed in are the 2in1 which isn't a deal breaker since most people change it out anyway.
The plastic ring gears, but those tend to be durable
And the usual spacer shocks, it's 2024 give us threaded shocks man 😅
I don't know. I'm sure it's not designed as a track vehicle but to my very untrained senses it feels pretty planted. I bet it would be at least halfway decent in the right hands
Great stuff, as always! I'm not a huge fan of the ESC/Receiver combo. I like them separate for a few reasons. Do love the Senton though and this looks decent other than that. 👍
Yeah it was probably done for cost saving measures but it will be a downside for some
Two steps forward, one step back.
Kind of unfortunate.
Yay! No more slipper clutch
Boo! 2-in-one ESC
Yay! Clippess body
Yay! Metal balls !
Don't you dare put a 2-in-one in my precious Granite.
I suspect we're going to see this ESC in everything.
80a esc...
I've been poking around for a decent SCT for a while now...methinks I might holdout for this now!
I don't think you'll be disappointed. This is a pretty mature product at this point and should be good
This definitely looks interesting, though I’m not fully sure about that combined esc&receiver.
Well, if the stock esc will be good enough for me not needing to change it - maybe one day I will consider buying it ;)
Yeah we'll just have to see how that stock system works out
@ i guess it should be fine, 3660 motor itself is really powerful, so i think it will be fine
Hopefully you can bind this esc to the dx5pro and use the AVC controls as dsc
Unfortunately I think that's going to be a no-go. I looked it up and the SLT protocol is not compatible
If it's SLT it won't work 😓
6s senton needs to come back
That would be sweet
Interesting 🤔😎
Definitely some interesting updates! Thanks for watching :-)
Will the v3 body fit without modifications
I'm not sure but if I had to guess I'd say if you get the body mounts it'll fit.
It all looks great except for the esc reviver combo, from past experiences the reviver being exposed to all of that heat makes them a lot more unreliable, I just wonder if it is to try to keep you on the spectrum platform or to counter the sealed receiver box patented.
I don't think it's a patent problem is they have their own sealed receiver box design and it's still included on this car
That is odd but it might be just because they found a different company to manufacture the ESCaR and motor
@@IsaacSchultz-lz8jc I think it's more likely the other way around. They probably wanted the two-in-one and had to find a different manufacturer to do it. Who knows though. They could still be hobbywing ESCs but they really don't look like it
I’m almost positive I’ve seen a red and grey one on alliexspres same shape and everything just a different radio protocol.
@IsaacSchultz-lz8jc hmm
Keeping my vortex’s 3s not gonna go to the 223s for a worse power system due to the 2 in one esc and receiver. I would just personally recommend getting a center diff kit online off of AliExpress for only 40$
I think it's really only worse if you want to upgrade one or the other. My guess is that most people who buy these things never end up upgrading the electronics so for them it won't matter
I wonder if the driveshafts have changed at all. They were unreliable on 3S for many people. The centre diff might protect them too.
From what I can see they appear to be the same. You are correct though the center differential will make a huge difference.
i love these driveshafts. they are super durable! Bot the plastic diffs front/rear are now the weak point.
That esc on/off button is the same as the wov racing esc.
Nailed it! I knew it looked familiar I just couldn't remember from where. I guess they're not using hobby wing anymore then
The car looks really nice but the 2 in 1 esc… really how are people going to bind this to a DX6 or any controller of there choice. And the plastic diffs i striped so many of those on my Vorteks 3s
I think having the center differential is going to help a lot with the plastic gears
I was about the pull the trigger on the rwd vorteks and fury, but kept thinking they would release a brushless one soon. But now that the 3s line is going to gave center diffs it makes them a lot more interesting. I thought i was going to be sold on the fury blx but at only 110 more for not only 4wd, but also center diff im torn. Im assuming the rwd is a lot easier and less costly to maintain?
Im excited to think about the vorteks and granite, and even an updated gorgon with a tough body so might wait till we see whatelse they give us in 3s.
Yeah rear wheel drive will definitely be less maintenance in the long run just cuz there's less to it but the four-wheel drives are also pretty reliable So I wouldn't necessarily make my decision based on that
@DoRC Arrma sure isn't making it easy with so many amazing options. I had been eyeing a mt10 because it already has a center diff and is tough but I'm kind of excited to see what they do with the rest of the 3s line.
Yes updated Gorgon plz
Hopefully we get a v4 vorteks
I'd imagine they'll update the whole line at some point
What about the steering linkage? Does this one catch rocks and jam up the steering like the senton 3s blx? It's the one thing I hate about this truck!
It appears as though the steering linkage is similar if not the same
@@DoRC did you have rocks jam the steering while making this video?
@GeorgieBud2020 I don't actually have this car. It's just a news video. Based on the pictures though I don't think it's much different and I have had a couple of rocks get jammed up over the years on this platform but I think whether or not you have that problem is largely dependent on the size of rocks in your bashing areas and I guess where I live rocks just aren't that size so it doesn't happen very often.
@@DoRC thank you. Appreciate the info. I live in the desert, rocks of all sizes. How would I contact the engineers who designed the Senton? If that's even possible.
@@GeorgieBud2020 No Chance. They have a bit more protection against rocks and so on. But the problem will be nearly the same. Arrma 3s is not for little rock areas.
hi do rc, im a fan of your channel and wanted to comment to ask if you know about the typhon and vorteks 223s 4x4 - they're listed in the size comparison for the senton 223s. also, the kraton (v5 rtr), notorious, and mojave 6s all say "next shipment date unknown." do you think this means we'll be getting 6s v6's this year? anyways that was some catastrophic yapping but keep up the great vids!
I saw the two other cars that were listed and that pretty much guarantees they're coming. As far as the V6 cars I have no idea. I would have expected to see them already as I thought we would at least see something pretty quickly after the V2 EXB came out but nothing so far so it's anybody's guess at this point.
@ cool cool keep up the great informative content!! 👍👍
They should bring back the 6S senton !
That would be awesome!
I'd always prefer separate esc snd receiver systems. :)
Yeah I bet that most people who buy these cars never touch the electronics so for most of their demographic it won't matter but for us enthusiastic would be nice for them to be separate
SOLD.! SOLD.! SOLD.!! 😉 😉
Definitely some good improvements!
Should make the power button to be the arrma logo😊
That would be sweet!
@DoRC yep instead of just a round button 😁
I keep having trouble with my slipper in my Typhon 3S, that stupid nylon slipper nut strips out and you gradually lose power while driving until it’s dead. Then you have to disassemble the whole darn thing to get there.
If they re-release the Typhon with a center diff, which it really seems likely, I’m grabbing a center diff and dropping it into my V3.
At this point my Typhon 3S has 4S diffs and slipper (from the 4SV2 line). Might as well just buy a darn 6S next time, tired of spending money slowly upgrading things.
I haven’t done this myself but you though bolt it and just lock it up . Look it up here on YT
You can buy the center differential now. The 4S v 2.5 differentials fit with slight modification of the chassis
@@RcPlayer-tt2vw I'm not sure what you're referring to - are you saying to replace the nylon piece with a nut and wrench it down to essentially turn it into a spool? Also not sure what video to look for.. if you have any more information I would appreciate it 👍
I don’t mind the idea of a 2n1 Esc / receiver but the big let down for me (correct me if I’m wrong) is the lack of DSMR support. I run Spektrum radios. I like having all of my cars on one radio. With any of these new arrmas I’ll have to immediately buy a new Esc and receiver should I decide to run my Dx5.
As far as I know the SLT and DSMR systems or not compatible. I know there was one SLT receiver that could be switched to DSMR but I don't believe these have that capability
Hard no on the 2n1. Don’t like needing to replace the esc if you change radios to a non Spectrum set up. I’m sure that’s how they intend to keep more sales on Spectrum radios. Unless there’s a way to bind other radios such as Futaba and I am missing something. Otherwise I love it! That probably wouldn’t stop me from buying it.
I’ve been a Traxxas fanboy a long time… but when I see what you get per dollar spent from a lot of Arrma’s lineup compared to
Traxxas, yeah I’m starting to look at the Arrma site more often than not as I dream of my next 3s purchase.
If I were to get a 4wd or 2wd SCT right now it would be an Arrma and I really REALLY love my Slashes. 🤷♂️
Unfortunately no there's no way to bind it to any aftermarket radio that I'm aware of
Why would they switch out the original body?? It looks way better with the v3 body.
I think that's going to be a personal taste thing. I think the new body looks really good.
Yea i like the clipless system but have to agree I prefer the more squared look of the first senton body not sure what version that is but its by far my favorite
New Body looks way better! I have Sentons and the Fury. Fury is lower and more race-style. But less room for the Tyres.
Aesthetics is a very personal thing of course, but to me this new senton is proper fugly, sort of cartoonish. Will probably still sell in decent numbers though, and I seem to be in the minority not liking it anyway 😂
If they release a 3s big rock whith these specks i will sell my kidney for one 😂
I'd be surprised if they didn't
How much will it be?
340
Hey the arrma site says this is getting metal Front and rear diff
Yeah they're wording can be a little misleading. They did update the pinion gear to steal but the ring gear appears as though it's still going to be plastic.
yeah they have a wrong picture and text in it !! only the small ring gear is upgraded to metal ! shame
What about the Granite?
Not sure. I assume they'll upgrad it at some point
The 2-in-1s seem fine in Groms but it’s a dealbreaker for me with the 3s line. Pushes me toward buying a roller on eBay or upgrading my current 3s via JennysRC.
Yeah there's going to be a group of people that feel that way. I suspect most people won't care though
Pretty sure that esc is still a hobbywing esc.
It's entirely possible but it just doesn't feel like one. It's hard to put my finger on it but everything feels just a little bit different than hobbywing does things.
Not sure if I want this one or that typhon coming out sometime I am just going to start saving an Wait till the vortex an typhon get released before I decide which one I want I can only get one so gotta wait till I see the other two
I suspect the vortex will probably be the most versatile option
3:09, Nope, they´re putting metal ring gear differentials in there as seen on their website.
And I´m glad they do because these plastic ring gears keep stripping out on all my 3s cars. :-)
Old trick, nothing new. Now the big plastik gear will strip first and you have more work to change that. But its ok. I have done the metal input gear "upgrade" myself .
Take a look at the exploded view diagram on their website. The way they work things is a little misleading.
@@DoRC This is not misleading, this is lying. Okay, they talk about "metal gear differentials", which would be true for the internals and input gear, but showing a full metal ring gear differential and calling it a "super tough transmission" is simply lying.
Of course Arrma will have some sort of disclaimer put somewhere, where pictures shown can differ from actual. But no, I spent lots of money upgrading my differentials already, I´m not buying this one.
I was holding of on getting the Mojave 4s, to see what Arrma would do with their 3s line, but now the Mojave it is. 🙂
Thanks though for the video!
@@RonaldVCg yep, one picture shows the arrma 4s v2 all !! metall diff. But its not true. Plastic with Metal is the one we will get!
Really baffled on the gear situation. Arrma preorder page shows metal and the input gear is listed as the metal one
The pinion gears are metal but the ring gears are plastic still.
@ that’s an off choice. Back when they were CNC, the teeth were like half the length on the metal vs plastic. Maybe they’re updated or maybe arrma just don’t care about having 50% tooth engagement
It's dumb how they mounted the ESC/RX so high to raise cg ala Traxxas philosophy (no power, so make it unstable to appear fast.)
Maybe though 50 plus miles an hour isn't exactly no power
Okay nope don't work in the RC industry, but I like to bash, at a good price. , I don't remember if there's oil in the diffs. In my opinion there should be, and also if you don't upgrade cool, that esc combo will work with the gyro but what about us tinker's? I myself never seen a use for a gyro on a basher but hey these things do get turned into something else just for the fun of It, that might make use of a gyro. Say speed runs in damp conditions.
I suspect these will have oil in them as the previous version differentials were oil filled.
Now mojave 4s with clipless boddy
It's probably going to be a while
Man, I dont mind the 2 in 1 on the Groms, even the Fury since its meant to be an entry point to the hobby, but its starting look like its going to be on everything going forward, and Im not a fan of that. If I want to use the same remote I use for everything else I need to replace the ESC on anything I might buy? No thanks. If they do the same thing with the 4s/6s line when it gets revised I probably won't be buying any new Arrmas outside of the Groms.
They might do it on the 4S trucks but I doubt they'll do it on the 6s trucks. I guess we'll just have to see though
My only gripe is the insistence on using 2-in-1 electronics
For most people it probably won't matter but yeah it can be a downside
Hopefully the 6s vehicules do not get clipless bodies. No longer able to use aftermarket bodies is absolutely stupid
Hard to know for sure. I will say that most people probably don't ever put an aftermarket body on their cars so it's likely not a major consideration for them
I hate the 2 in 1. It’s fine in the groms but I think it’s a little ridiculous in the larger rigs. Now instead of buying a Futaba receiver for it I have to change the esc as well. And at the point I might as well change the motor out too. And now it just became a money pit
Yeah and for those of us that use our own transmitters it is kind of a pain. I suspect that Horizon has investigated this and found that the vast majority of their target demographic for these vehicles don't ever mess with the electronics so from there standpoint it's probably just not a problem.
@ i suppose you’re right on that. For me I’m just so used to immediately taking out the stock receiver and using my futaba on any vehicle I have that I forget that the vast majority might not do that
@AMM0394 same here. The second I saw the two in one I had the same thought you did but especially with these cheaper cars we are probably in the minority. If we weren't I doubt they would have done it.
@@DoRC & with all that being said I still preordered the new fury 😅
@AMM0394 I don't think you'll be disappointed. It's a sweet rig!
Arrma is just awesome but i dont like the 2 in 1 esc it's ok for the groms but not for bigger cars because i like upgrading all my cars. Also i don't think you can program the 2 in 1 esc and that sucks.
Yeah I like that the two in one ESC has DSC but being two and one it definitely has some limitations.
I hate that they went the 'cheap' route with the 2 in 1. Because of that, I won't be getting one.
Yeah I think most people probably won't mind but there's definitely going to be a small subset of people who won't buy them because of that.
@DoRC Found a way that I could get this !!!! A friend has an older Senton that he wanted to upgrade the electrics. So he's buying it, stripping the electronics, and I'm buying basicly a rolling chassis that I can hop-up cheaper and with the reciever I want. 😀😃😄😁
I race my Tenacity against the current senton and it gets smoked every race regardless how experienced you are.
Which one gets smoked?
@DoRC The Senton does.
@billyjones589 gotcha. I'm not terribly surprised. These cars are specifically designed as bashers and there are probably a lot of cars that would beat them on a track.
jeez we were just getting away from the 2 in 1 junk and actually shaming the chinese about doing things that way...to jump in to the conspiracy esc power switch,i have a carisma that looks something like it.
Interesting I'll have to take a look at that. I did a reverse Google search on a picture of the switch and didn't really come up with anything.
No one wants to buy a rc that you need to replace all the electronics at once. What happened to bind and drive
Maybe though to be fair I'm guessing the vast majority of people who buy these cars never replace the electronics. My opinion is kind of biased because I'm always replacing electronics but I get the feeling if this was going to be a problem for a lot of people Horizon wouldn't have done it.
Looks like they have cut corners on the electronics.
Maybe. I suspect the vast majority of people who buy these things don't ever upgrade them So as long as they work out of the box it's probably okay for the target demographic
Arrma claims Metall Diffs !! With picture of the Metall Diffs!! But exploided view leaves us unclear !!
I believe that picture is of the center differential. I think the exploded view is correct
@@DoRC No Center Diff looks completly different. They messed up the picture or something else. They have a picture and text with their metal diffs on it (same diff as arrma boost diff or arrma 4s v2)
I’d like to just say🤦♂️ I’m sure the world has been waiting for a v4 of these trucks as the v3 was so good but from looking at this it’s quite disappointing, yes it’s got a centre diff which may help with handling on the senton and typhon, pointless on a big rock or granite. The most ridiculous thing on this truck is the electronics, an esc receiver combo… really! Arrma actually going backwards! Bet it’s not cheap either
I actually think the center differential is most important on the bigger heavier trucks with bigger tires. It's not really so much a tuning feature but a drivetrain protection feature
@@DoRC so what you’re saying is the center diff is pointless as well? I totally agree! What they should have done is do all metal drive train and made it a 3s EXB , maybe put a bash bar on? That’s more exiting
@@se-rc-uk no I definitely wouldn't say that. I think the center differential is one of the most important features on any basher. It allows decoupling of the front and rear drivetrain which really takes a lot of stress off of drivetrain components while bashing. I just think it's the most important on bigger heavier vehicles
That 2 in 1 esc is the biggest deal breaker. This is worst than traxxas
Yeah most people probably never swap the electronics out so that's likely why they're doing it though for enthusiast it is a little frustrating
Alright it is a new approach with the 2 in one receiver/esc and I suppose that it would make the overall price more budget friendly, but why did they had to go with a cover that is similar to the FURY ? I mean that was the beauty and the cover of the MOJAVE was the beast ? Messier DO RC it is ugly !!!!! I mean really ugly. But it might turn out to be a great rc rig after all. Great but ugly.
Beauty is always in the eye of the beholder. Personally I think the new body looks awesome.
Nope. Just that ESC/receiver makes it a no for me.
I think it'll turn off a few enthusiasts but their target demographic probably won't care
The body system is what stops me from buying it. Nope.
Why don't you like it?
@ it eliminates the ability to use so many bodies that have been in production. Now you’re stuck only buying from armma which will mean $$$. Traxxas did the same thing.
@@ItBetterBeFast soon everybody will have clippless. its 2024. traxxas does it, now arrma. i dont like it, but its ok. The Gorgon one is terrible. The Fury one is a bit terrible. The new Senton one could be ok to use.
@ yea but now you’re stuck with only using their bodies. I can currently run pro line bodies and slash bodies on my senton
The ESC sucks. The privios one is a 100A ESC. Now they pu a 80A one in it. And you don’t have the option to change the fan to a more powerful one. Seems like Arrma is going the same way like Traxxas. They don’t wan‘t that you live the Arrma world and you have to spend your money on their products.
Not even close. Don't even compare traxxASS to them.
I'd recommend giving it a try before being too upset about it. The same basic form factor is in the fury brushless and I really like it. I had no problems with the fan breaking and I think overall it's a decent setup. I do agree that the two and one thing is a bit of a bummer though
Terrible idea for 2in1 esc. Everything else is good.
I think it depends. My guess is that the vast majority of people who buy these cars never touch the electronics so from that point of view it's probably fine
Idid a reverse Google image search and that power button looks like the power button on ARC-3 esc maybe 🤷🏻♂️ 😂
Similar but I don't think it's similar enough to be a match
I really do not like the 3 in 1 esc/reciever/gyro. It ia a huge downgrade that go very much against upgrading the car and makes it more expensive.
It just depends. I'm guessing most people who buy these vehicles never upgrade the electronics and that's probably why they're doing it
Plastic diffs. Dammit
They're not actually too bad and especially with the center differential I think they'll hold up pretty well
@@DoRC i hate them after a few years. After 200 packs with many of these cars i have changed way to many stripped gears. Its not too bad, but it is the Nr.1 weak spot in these cars.
@@runnerbaba they did switch the pinion gear to steel which will at least be an interesting thing to experiment with durability-wise.
I’m more interesting in the clip less body.
Does look pretty cool.
2 in 1 esc reseiver discusting 😂
I'm guessing most people never upgrade the electronics on these things so it's not a big deal but For some people it will be a bummer
First!
Thanks for watching!
Another meh tc car.
This is Arrrma
What is "TC" ?
Torte Course ?
Tart coochie ?
Tin can ?
I'm sorry I'm 43 and there are way too many acronyms to guess which one you use.
Taco cat ?
Typhoid carrier ?
Tiny crap ?
Tasty cookie ?
Trap clap ?
Nothing meh about bit.
Why meh?
Imma stick with my ARAAR102673
Senton was an awesome truck!