Why Running is Useless for Combat Endurance
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Untrained people don’t have a zone 2-3. You have to spend time on the pavement or a bike to even get them. Most people will stay in zone 1 walking and shoot to zone 4-5 otherwise and bonk. Running is how you get fast rucking. Need both, not either or. I say this as a wildland ff who rucks for a living.
Yeah exactly, running got me to be able to do a 12 mile ruck in 2 hours jogging the entire time. No you need to run
Did my eib Ruck in grafenwoehr. 220. Never ran. Sure did pass a lot of guys that did. Our fire team stepped off at the same time, 3 out of four of us made it. That said... MAJOR part of our PT was double time lol
Yes, running and rucking and resistance training will get you strong and fit. Look at Mike Tyson. You dont have to lift 800 lbs, you dont have to run ultra marathons. Lift and run 3 to 5 miles with a few all out intervals...
I know Rippatoe thinks running is worthless. But I dont agree.
@@ValoriusStill that way. Suffer in silence and silently suffer gents. Most civilians will never suffer.
“Mogadishu mile”
I run x3 a week and lift x2. Out of my 3 runs only ONE is considered long distance. The majority of my running is track style work outs. The other day I did x8 200’s. Another one I love is x2 400’s, x2 200’s, and then x2 100’s…. My point being: just like the mil doesn’t teach strength; they really don’t teach running. I really doubt you’d be sad to have a dude on your team that can go for a half mile at most peoples 100y pace. The Rangers ran a solid mile to exfil in Somalia. Aim for a solid mile time.
Hold on. You may have missed something.
Long runs build more than aerobic fitness. Long runs train muscular endurance that builds mobility. I get that patrolling and rucking are great (I rucked documented hundreds of miles in the military from rucking once to twice a week for 7 years). But the muscular endurance is costlier in recovery from rucking than running (but you need both).
My wife runs ultras. I am an RX CrossFitter. My fitness will keep up with her all day. But her legs can hold up all day in moving beyond me. That’s why I transitioned to a hybrid model.
Running is the best way to build up fitness quickly, slow runs, fast runs, long runs! Humans are built to run. I spent 11 years in light infantry, ran in shorts and t-shirt, ran in boots and fighting order, ran carrying logs, ran carrying stretchers. Running sucks, but running will save you
Cardio distance aerobic activity (I.e. running) made ancient man an apex predator.
Your heart and your brain is everything. Pump blood and move oxygen.
Should you just run? No
Should you run -> hell yes.
Running is absolutely necessary but so is strength training. You'd be running in combat, so running for exercise is very sport specific to what you would want it for for the most part.
distance running is gay and useless, do sprints, nothing over 1 mile
@@MARKSMAN108 ancient man had to run down deer, woolly mammoth, etc over many miles to wear it down and put a spear through it.
Ain’t nothing gay about that
@@milescivis1018 lol you have no idea what distance running is hahaha… you just proved my point, sprint, ruck, hike, do aerobic power intervals where you run no more then 1 mile…
@@MARKSMAN108 it’s ok if you get gassed beyond 1min of a run. No shame in it.
HR, lung capacity and overall cardio health shows itself on the track, in the mat room, etc.
endurance athletes = sustained energy output over distance and time.
If you think doing wind sprints and rucking a mile gets you there, you’re mistaken.
I have been rucking for about the last two years, but a few months ago started doing some slow runs (as suggested by runners trying to build stamina) three to four times a week. I have noticed an improvement in my aerobic state at the end of my rucking - I am no longer as tired at the end of rucks.
Rucking is great. Great intersection of conditioning and endurance.
Do it with some sandbags or water jugs… really efficient for building up what is needed mentally and physically for bad times.
@@RuckDocBen I use spent drinking water bottles refilled for weight. When the bottles start leaking from overuse (trotting downhill can cause some eventual deformation and cracking), I just replace them with newer ones.
If you outrun the other guy then yes running makes you combat effective.
Welcome to being a human in a violent world, it has worked for us for a long time.
I love that you acknowledge traditional running/ cardio being viable, and then bring to the table a better solution. 10/10 content as always brother.
Forest Gump ran and look what he got.
a box of chocolates
He almost saved Bubba.
He almost got aids
A shrimp industry
He did "get" the girl !!
👍 Thanks! Now i can return on the couch and eat a lot of junk food without feeling guilty 🤪😜
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I know a guy from the fire service, not military but an extremely fitness-centric occupation, and this guy was Mr. Fitness. Not big at all, but strong and fit. He gave me some advice I'll pass on: You're good at WHAT YOU DO. Wanna be a good bike rider? Ride your bike. Rock climbing? Go climb. Rucking? Go rucking! We had an LT in our unit we called Mr. Pushup. The guy was an animal, arms like tree trunks, could do push ups that looked like he was having a fit. 2 minute PT this guy was pumping out like 130 pushups. My skinny ass could do 70 or so. BUT...obstacle course time...I could run rings around this guy. Moved like an ox. Both have their place but I think we can all agree, RUNNING SUCKS. 🤣
Very long runs (26 miles) are not all about getting physically fit! They are about pushing through barriers and learning not to give-in.
If you train to be able to run 26 miles in under 5 hours you will need to spend a lot of time running (4 days a week typically, 1 hour run 3 times, then a 10 miler one day). That training, as you carry a pack with increasingly heavy rocks in it as you get fitter will get you super fit. If you cannot do a 26 mile run cross-country carrying a heavy pack - you ain't as fit as you think.
Then remember - you have to be able to fight a battle at the end of the run. Get fighting fit. That's also the title of one of the best books ever written about getting fit to fight in actual combat.
'Fighting fit' by Adrian Weale. I don't know him, but the training he describes is what I started with - before going Next Level. Not everybody is blessed with a physique that allows them to go beyond that, but for those who can, it's all about your mind - psychology. Most people are tougher than they realise but lack the motivation/discipline to go that extra mile. Traditional full-contact martial arts can help in that respect. If you can't get up every day and hour earlier than you do today, for two years - you're probably not able to go to that 'Next Level'. Martial arts for five years can help you develop the psychological tools to be able to do that (in my experience - and observation of others).
You should also be doing your unarmed/armed combat training, martial arts, weights and other physical activities (I did rock-climbing in high mountains after walking in a few miles carrying the climbing gear with buddies, canoeing and kayaking at sea and in fast rivers, often mountain running in the evenings typically 4 -10 miles, 3000 ft ascent then descent, swimming - a mile a day every other day and more once a month, swimming at sea and in rivers). You will eat like a horse during that next-level training and you will have learned how to be resilient and have the mental toughness you are going to need. You need to be able to switch-on and go at it without warning. I think a lot of people - even a lot of those 'in the military' don't realise how hard the best fighting men train and for how long. Two years of that (with extra time for rest, recovery from inevitable injuries, vacations, family time etc) and you will be fit enough to do pretty much anything you are asked to do.
Running in shorts and a T-shirt in good quality running shoes with added insoles is the start of a fantastic journey to 'Next level' physical toughness and endurance. Anybody can fire a gun and kick a door down. Not many can do it after a 26 mile mountain run carrying 1 weeks worth of kit, ammo and food... Choose Your own journey - don't let anybody lay down what is possible for you - they are Not you - and quite possibly not capable of what you Are.
Always has good info. Thanks 👍
Spending a lot of time at Zone 2 makes the body develop the mitochondria which will handle the lactate produced from hard work. The more mitochondria you have, the better you will perform over time since you will be able to produce more work consistently. If you ruck, you most probably get into this zone, but its important for Zone 2 workouts to not break into Zone 3 as the body will then get into a different energy mode towards anaerobic state, and even if you then lower your HR you will not truly develop mitochondria until after over 30 min. Zone 2 training should last for minimum about one hour to be productive. Also, the chart regarding pulse is not applicable to most persons, as it is highly individual. The "220-your age" does not work. It can be tested only with a lactate measurement and increasing load.
I can get into, and stay in, the bottom edge of zone 5 walking on a treadmill. Set the speed at 3, and jack up the incline to 10% or more. You can then tweak the speed/incline to dial in your heart rate, or adjust it to move yourself into/out of different zones.
It may help in running away ☠️☠️☠️
This isn't even a joke. I will point this out literally only because this is the internet. It doesn't matter if we call it running away, advancing, bounding, peeling, withdrawal, charging, assaulting, breaking, evading, whatever the buzzword is relative to your circumstance, unit or countries individual lingo it's all still hauling ass quickly and in some cases for distance for a specific reason. This stuff literally happens.
What’s your current VO2max?
Practical and useful.
As always.
running makes far more sense because you need to build endurance because you can't always ride in a truck everywhere. not only do you have to be able to walk at a pace that will get you there as fast as possible but you still need to have enough left to do the mission in which being still fit enough to run may save your life. I've seen thousands of soldiers in my ten years in and i will say 100% that only those who could keep a good pace on a run could also still have enough energy after a forced march to do more. those who could not keep a good running pace were spent after a good forced march and this is without the equipment. if you add equipment it always means more stragglers, etc., and less combat ready at the end especially if they can't maintain a good pace yo begin with. also, in closing there is a price for carrying all that weigh around for years and the more you do it the more it will become apparent later on in life. so when not needed i'd say skip the weight because once you get old enough your back, neck. etc., will thank you.
As former EOD, I've found the best endurance training is to have enough boom-boom on hand to handle any situation you might think off. Enough boom-boom and you don't need to run.
Ideal would be only do what we plan to do and build fittnes this way.
Not plausible for many people who have full time jobs, commute and children. Not every job even not every trade builds your strength (i.e. electrician, plumber, car mechanic)
Running in shorts has its place especially for begginers. Its supplemental training.
But if you are time limited there are much better ways to spend your time than running.
@@drunknnirish depends how fit you are. Begginers better do some running without additional load. The problem is some people don't progress to other training but keep running faster and further.
I don’t know if rucking translates to running, i think people should do sprints at a minimum, running miles on end has diminishing returns and wastes time though, if you aren’t lifting weights to failure every set it doesn’t matter
I just started walking up and down hills with my kit on and weapon.
for me at 60 ( just turned ) ...if at the gym small back pack with 4-5 bottles of water for weight w/ a pack 6% incline speed at 3-3.1 is a good pace change the incline as you go to 10% ....do 7min get off do squats , do push ups get on bike do 5 min go back to track , carry 8kg kettle bells ( mimic small ammo cans ) around track go to ab-crunch a bit go back to ruck pack /walk incline 6% 3 times a week ....change it up each week ...this works for me
I stopped running 40 years ago. As soon as I got out of the Army, that was it, never again.
In my 30's I was doing two seven mile runs (one morning, one evening) plus two gym sessions (40 mins each - repetitions not weight), again one morning and one evening, each day , four times a week. That's why I was able to do a morning 10 mile run carrying a fifty pound pack and wearing boots and combat uniform with recruits, then repeat it with a different set of recruits in the afternoon....cut off time for the recruit run was 100 minutes but we expected them to manage it in 90.
Distance running, preferably timed, for any infantry type activity is a necessity.
Acft and unit standards says I have to run
Good cardio is just to keep your body from going into shock if you suffer a gunshot wound.
Yup!
My mike time is 6 min to 7 min comfortably. My mile and a half is 10:20-11:00 min
1. Zones 4 and 5 are also good for building endurance. You do "intervals" of them.
2. We don't fight in tennis shoes and shorts. We also don't fight in gym shorts with a back brace. Argument invalid.
3. Obviously, the best training for rucking is rucking. The next best thing is aerobic endurance training of any kind. Third would be weights.
4. Rucking requires a big enough aerobic engine to move your body weight +40 lbs 4 mph or faster *and* the base strength to lift that weight for X amount of time. As much as people might not like it, that's mainly aerobic, and barely weight lifting at all.
5. If you want to ruck as fast or as long as possible, then you need that base strength, yes, but you want as big an aerobic engine as possible.
-A training nerd
Ran middle distance for 30 years. Now at 68 no knees left to do 💩. I also cycled for 20 plus years. Lots of century distances. Had to hang that up after bad crash. All I got now is firewood season and a nice rowing machine. Running is overrated. Very bad on joints and frame.
Walk, Jog, Run, Sprint
I enjoyed the explanation, but the title is misleading. To say running is useless for combat endurance means that every selection program in the US military, and most boxing gyms, and muay thai dojos (or training gyms, or Thai equivelent to 'dojo') is training their athletes wrong because they utilize running extensively as an endurance training tool. I came from a running background, and thankfully was a competitive athlete in high school, and adapted a little quicker to the calisthenics and rucking than some of the more strength oriented athletes (power lifters and body builders) largely because a flight of stairs in the didn't leave me breathless. Running certainly didn't stay my primary focus moving forward, but I'm thankful for the benefits mentally and physically over the years along side the weight training and rucking.
Cardio is a sustained zone 3 and up pace for at least 30mins to strengthen lungs and heart. Rucking for a 15 min mile is closer to strength training, which is also necessary. Cardio allows you to perform longer at your peak. Cardio makes you ruck longer. Trying to combine strength and cardio training is not efficient.
Rucking is a repetitive movement for long periods. By definition it is not strength training
@@GruntProof Rucking with 30-40lbs is a compound exercise targeting more than one muscle group which is strength training. Either way. Really enjoy your channel. 🍻
I run because I like it and as a fighter it's the best way to get your wind up.
I like trail running. I don't do long distance. Usually 1-3 miles. It does help alot with aerobic endurance. Not saying it helps with rucking with gear or short sprinting.
I think being decent at all activities is key. 100% be as strong as possible but a fast mile time and overall muscular endurance.
Literally just watched an entire ukrainian battalion get smoked retreating across a open feild by an artillery strike because they were all too tired to keep running
Because they were too weak to carry all that gear and probably jogged too much
Lol. Good. F the Globohomo war
For several years I wondered why we, the Marines, were running in shorts and tennis shoes but never in our gear. Then towards the end of my career we started bringing back the Combat Fitness Test. I hear it is different now than what began with but it was a good start. Running three miles in boots and utes with rifle, helmet and deuce gear is a different animal than running three miles in shorts and go fasters.
The 3/8 guys we worked with did strength every day and smoked us in Ramadi
Shows up in a search for "training for backpacking" 😉 You're using the right tags.
🤣
Zone 3 is the magic zone. Makes 4 and 5 further out.
Ruck. Ruck with coupons. If you choose to run, stay in zone 3.. but do it for HRR and try to weave in hills/terrain; but, without training with load… you’re robbing yourself.
This is a very good video. I find it amazing how ppl are so opinionated that they dismiss what you are saying. It's not that running for miles can't increase endurance but heavy lifting is more efficient at doing so.
Ive been off of training for a while now and i absolutely need to get back on it so ive restarted getting back into it but its rough making time and getting ambition especially with a crap work schedule, shitty sleep a bad diet because having other people in the house wont eat what i want to eat and i make jack shit and am always broke... and having a newborn on top doesnt help and now im driving my wife back and forth to work while watching my son, but im slowly figuring it out lol
Keep plugging brother it's worth it
@gruntproof i love you bro and take 99% of your advice and i agree we should strength train. but ill never stop running i just love it so much. in my 30s i feel i my endurance is unmatched from jogging and sprinting. i know guys who smoke cigs and lift weights and they get winded quickly and i feel they would give up before i did. and yes i ruck as well.
Running is useful to test how equipment fit's or doesn't
What if I wanna, ya know, run better
Try sprint training
Train as you fight. Once a week, GEAR UP, and do the things you can be expected to do in combat wearing the items you’d normally wear in combat. Now sprint a 1/4 mile, top a 6’ wall, climb a 25’ rope, traverse 30 feet of monkey bars.
DRINK WATER
Beat the heat drill ser………,,,
Rusty mentioned you on this weeks SS podcast. You should totally email them and see about being a guest as that would be one for the ages!
Also a lot of people in the comments here could benefit from reading the two factor model article over at Starting Strength.
Wow really? Where at? I haven't seen anything new from them in a while
@@GruntProof The podcast that came out today. It was during the comments from the haters. Rusty said he follows you on UA-cam.
Thanks a lot for the heads up. I reached out to them and will be on their show on the 21st. Not sure when it will air though.
@@GruntProof That is going to be badass. Both you and Rip have a straight forward no bs attitude that I think will be helpful for people to hear. I know all the podcasts for them are for us network people only but it would be neat if they would let you post the full version here on your channel for your followers to see.
Yeah I’ll stick to my 5 minute 1 miles.
Hill sprints
Also great
Pretty sure gearing up and rucking around the neighborhood would draw some unwanted attention. Can't always get to nowhere. Jogging around with running gear on (yes running pack full of extra crap) might , at worst, get a funny look.
But if you don't like running, then don't. Do what works.
Yes , looking like your going to war in Afghanistan will get noticed and probably Police doing an ID check or something. Military bases it is normal but not in the subdivision.
@@Valorius I don't have a Jansport, seriously! I have an Alice Large pack I use.
@@Valorius He was also talking of wearing a plate carrier also which would really stick out.
@@Valorius Yes I do.
@@Valorius That's not what I said at all. The implied was that, as Grunt suggested rucking in full kit rifle and all, would draw the wine box Karen's unwanted attention, and therefore a $hit ton of problems. My suggestion was to sport all normal attire.
Are you incapable of reading, or do not understand English?
Urban combat, carrying a javelin or any other plus combat backpack and all the stuff, 30 Celsius degrees and he says running is useless as combat endurance training. Long night awake guarding the boys and he says running is useless as combat endurance training. Run and do burpees because the enemy is sh00ting at you but you have to take those positions, and dude says running is useless as combat endurance training 😂
MIght be useless, but they still make you run a lot, and more if you want to get into the fun stuff.
I would assume if someone wanted to be an effective resistance movement you would just look to how the taliban lived and fought they beat everyone they go up against so coppy what works
distance running is useless not because of some silly heart rate training chart... my heart rate can be in zone 4 when a girl smiles at me... distance running is useless because the key to it is running efficiency and form. You will NEVER have efficient movement patterns especially while "running" in a combat situation while in full kt... rucking is amazing, Stairmaster is amazing, incline treadmill is awesome, patrolling/combat drills is great. Save the track work in running shoes for anaerobic focused SPRINTING... tldr fuck running anything over a mile