I have listened to Finlandia so many times, from Karajan, Horst Stein, Bergmann, Bernstein, and so many others, it is impossible to count them. I like the Bernstein best. I have a question, though, and it is that unique to the Bernstein rendition, after the slow introduction, and somewhat into the allegro, the strings engage in a double- or triple-noting that greatly intensifies the poignance of its meaning. It is extremely moving, and I could listen to it all day. It never ceases to choke me. I've asked and asked string players what in the world it is that the strings are doing at those points that is so moving beyond any of the other renditions. I have never heard an answer. I have thought that I should like to learn violin, or whatever it is, that plays those intense passages, just for that reason! And I should so like to learn Finnish for no other reason that to sing so beautiful a "tone poem". But I think any lyrics, even the Finnish, must give way to the fact that this "Finlandia" speaks heart and soul to the freedom of all mankind under the Fatherhood of God. I never knew nor have ever been drawn to any lyrics put to it: the music of it, the heart of Sibelius, has always just spoken to me so deeply about the freedom of man under God that I don't care what any lyrics say. drshaw1946@gmail.com
@ Art Cramer : This Young People's Concert has been recorded on the 13 February 1965, and telecast on the 19 February. The trombone section was : Edward Herman Jr., Gilbert Cohen, Allen Ostrander and Edward Erwin.
Wow! Saul Goodman, Arnie Lang and Stanley Drucker in their prime! But notice how odd the orchestra looks without any women. Shows you how times have changed.
@@georgekindel3402 Yes, I did. He was a real mensch. I wasn't at this concert, but I grew up in B'klyn. I studied timpani with Dick Horowitz. Saul G. was my relative. I bought a chain drum from a student of Arnie's, and I studied mallets with him long ago. Are you a musician?
@@enidhorowitz5684 in my youth, yes... piano and french horn, but that was a long, long time ago. Now, I just appreciate the beauty that others create. :) We lived in Brooklyn, in the projects on Linden Blvd, but moved out to LI when I was still very young.
@@georgekindel3402 I grew up in Sheepshead Bay. I played piano until I got to HS--Music & Art--where they needed percussion. So I've been a percussionist ever since. These days I mostly play timpani. I had friends who were lucky enough to have attended Bernstein's children's concerts. Arnie L. was a wonderful timpanist, too. I think the orchestra treated him badly when they made him audition for the timpani position after Saul left. Since he was good enough to fill in for Saul, he should have been good enough to get the position.
well it seems that even in the early 60s the camera men were already bad at recording musical performances, why didn't they show the horns at least during their beautiful phrase?
You know, does Lemmy remind you of Steve Martin?? Maybe that's where Steve got some of his moves from.. Fab performance though the slow-up at cresc possible in the score is odd..
Did anyone ever have a bigger, fatter, timpani roll than Saul Goodman? Could part of the reason be that he played standing up and thus not merely his hands and arms but his entire body--and for a small man he was very strong--played the timpani?
Buen vídeo por que podemos hacer la comparación con un Bernteisn mas contemporáneo y natural, no tan rígido, lo único es que el camarografo es muy estático y tuvo una sola toma, producto de los tiempos y la forma holìstica que colocan de relieve dos tiempos.
@@willy44 Also my teacher, '62--'66. One of the great, inventive musicians of the 20th century. I learned so much from him about what it meant, and how much it took, to learn.
i was really concerned for the well being of that guy's french horn at 5:00
Jacob Hafey that was definitely distracting 😂
I have listened to Finlandia so many times, from Karajan, Horst Stein, Bergmann, Bernstein, and so many others, it is impossible to count them. I like the Bernstein best. I have a question, though, and it is that unique to the Bernstein rendition, after the slow introduction, and somewhat into the allegro, the strings engage in a double- or triple-noting that greatly intensifies the poignance of its meaning. It is extremely moving, and I could listen to it all day. It never ceases to choke me. I've asked and asked string players what in the world it is that the strings are doing at those points that is so moving beyond any of the other renditions. I have never heard an answer. I have thought that I should like to learn violin, or whatever it is, that plays those intense passages, just for that reason! And I should so like to learn Finnish for no other reason that to sing so beautiful a "tone poem". But I think any lyrics, even the Finnish, must give way to the fact that this "Finlandia" speaks heart and soul to the freedom of all mankind under the Fatherhood of God. I never knew nor have ever been drawn to any lyrics put to it: the music of it, the heart of Sibelius, has always just spoken to me so deeply about the freedom of man under God that I don't care what any lyrics say. drshaw1946@gmail.com
Given Sibelius' greatness, Bernstein was a fantastic conductor.
My Teacher and friend. How I miss him
@ Art Cramer : This Young People's Concert has been recorded on the 13 February 1965, and telecast on the 19 February. The trombone section was : Edward Herman Jr., Gilbert Cohen, Allen Ostrander and Edward Erwin.
Filmed on
February 19, 1965
Uploaded on
January 4, 2013
Joe Novotny, tuba.
Beautiful rendition !
Thanks a lot
This was recorded in February 19, 1965, this is written in the description. Unfortunately, I do not know the name of the trombonists.
Wow! Saul Goodman, Arnie Lang and Stanley Drucker in their prime! But notice how odd the orchestra looks without any women. Shows you how times have changed.
Did you know Arnie? He was my mother's first cousin! I was there with my mom for this performance!
@@georgekindel3402 Yes, I did. He was a real mensch. I wasn't at this concert, but I grew up in B'klyn. I studied timpani with Dick Horowitz. Saul G. was my relative. I bought a chain drum from a student of Arnie's, and I studied mallets with him long ago. Are you a musician?
@@enidhorowitz5684 in my youth, yes... piano and french horn, but that was a long, long time ago. Now, I just appreciate the beauty that others create. :) We lived in Brooklyn, in the projects on Linden Blvd, but moved out to LI when I was still very young.
@@georgekindel3402 I grew up in Sheepshead Bay. I played piano until I got to HS--Music & Art--where they needed percussion. So I've been a percussionist ever since. These days I mostly play timpani. I had friends who were lucky enough to have attended Bernstein's children's concerts. Arnie L. was a wonderful timpanist, too. I think the orchestra treated him badly when they made him audition for the timpani position after Saul left. Since he was good enough to fill in for Saul, he should have been good enough to get the position.
And let’s not even go on about black men or anyone of color THIS IS what they mean when they want to make America great again
well it seems that even in the early 60s the camera men were already bad at recording musical performances, why didn't they show the horns at least during their beautiful phrase?
You know, does Lemmy remind you of Steve Martin?? Maybe that's where Steve got some of his moves from.. Fab performance though the slow-up at cresc possible in the score is odd..
Did anyone ever have a bigger, fatter, timpani roll than Saul Goodman? Could part of the reason be that he played standing up and thus not merely his hands and arms but his entire body--and for a small man he was very strong--played the timpani?
Is that Harold Gomberg on oboe? Or Brenner?
leo seems in his late forties. I was not in this world, when this performance was held. hahahae.
Buen vídeo por que podemos hacer la comparación con un Bernteisn mas contemporáneo y natural, no tan rígido, lo único es que el camarografo es muy estático y tuvo una sola toma, producto de los tiempos y la forma holìstica que colocan de relieve dos tiempos.
very good
who is the timpanist'??
Kevin Brito The great Saul Goodman. My teacher whom I miss dearly.
@@willy44 Also my teacher, '62--'66. One of the great, inventive musicians of the 20th century. I learned so much from him about what it meant, and how much it took, to learn.