Building a 500+HP Budget 351w Stroker Motor "The 387 Stroker" 👀
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- Опубліковано 24 гру 2024
- BUILT From mostly SPARE PARTS! We continue building on our Junkyard 351w Budget stroker motor. We would expect this motor to make every bit of 500hp+ crank power!
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I wanna see a 400 crank (4.000-inch stroke) in a Street Boss 351W, using Cleveland heads and 351W rods with Boss 302 pistons.
You can't use a 4.00" stroke crank, 5.956 length rods and boss 302 pistons with a 1.53 compression height. The 387 he used stock 302 pistons with a 1.605 compression height with the 5.956 rods and 3.85" stroke crank. To use a 4.00" stroke crank you have to use a 1.280 compression height piston and a 6.200 rod length.
Apparently the 351Windsor is still a very popular choice for rebuilding and also stroking.
I have 2 of the earliest 351 W , they are complete motors.
One came out of a 69 XR-7 Cougar , the other had just been pulled out of a 69 Mustang in a salvage yard complete. I paid $60 dollars for Mustang 351W. It had been junked because it was smoking, especially at start-ups. When l opened it up the insides were very clean, no sludge. The bores weren't worned . l couldn't hang a nail on bores. The piston rings were in very good condition, all bearings , cam, timing chain were in great shape. I was kind of confused.
I then pulled the heads apart. Lo and behold! All of the valve rubber seal shrouds were broken and falling apart.
I found what was causing the smoking! I have big plans for the 351W.
On the Cougar 351W, l bought the complete car (39K mi.) in 1970. The car was a total loss rear ended collision. I paid $150 for whole car. Took the motor, transmission and put it in a 65 f-100. That truck was fast, if l could get it to hook up. The truck is gone but l still have the complete 351W in my garage .
There is a difference between early and later 351W s. Slighly shorter and alot more metal, especially on the bottom crankshaft webbing. If one puts them side by side one can see the dfference. The 351 W is a stout motor. Great for stroking.
Found my valve seals laying in the returns !
I cannot thank you enough for these videos! I swear you are the only one that seems to be discussing motor building. I haven't built a motor in probably thirty years. I had an '86 T Top GT with a 351 in the early 90's and I regret ever selling that car. My current foxbody is an 88' GT convertible and I have the itch to build another motor likely next year along with beefing up the AOD (I know.....I know) I looked for over a year here in Florida and upgrade the ring & pinion as well. Between your stroker motor videos and all the information comparing the 302 and the 351 I have been absolutely stoked to the upgrades and not sell this car. It's been a regret for a long time. You're AWESOME
Ty !
Do you have a full breakdown list of everything you need to build this???
Theres a whole playslist.
I hate the fel pro timing cover gasket. They hang out all over. The Mahle fits much better. Thanks for the Ford build We also use the Melling select standard volume oil pump with the gray spring.
Great video!
Another good one.....I don't think there is a video as in depth about this combo, I've looked. I'm inspired to do this build for my cougar.
Check out that playlist. Im very detailed on what i did and what i used.
Ive been waiting for that beast to be put together and fired up! Hell yea! And we all really appreciate all your knowledge being shared with us man. Keep it coming... simple tricks that make big power. Salute my friend!
This is such a cool project. I love it because it's different.
My word!!! Sure been enjoying this series!
I love it how the factory 5.0 pistons fall right in to place. There are tons of used factory forged TRW pistons out there waiting for this budget build.
Can't wait to see it start up 🚗...
I Love it when a plan comes together
Hell ya.
That's cool very cool first time watching a crank balanced "Ryan"
Really coming together great, it's going to be awesome with intermixed of parts from different motors, truly a
budget power beast build.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. I LOVE YOUR CHANNEL!!!
Quick question when you convert a non roller block to a roller cam block can you use any lifters…?
As far as roller lifters ?
Also, talking about the nice bore this block has. It's a shame that Ford didn't decide to use low tension piston rings from the beginning instead of in the mid 1980s. With those engines a rebuild usually just needs a quick hone job. The older 302 engines that used the thick 5/64 piston rings would show as much wear in 30,000 miles as a low tension ring engine shows in 150,000. When rebuilding the older style 302 you were guaranteed to need a overbore.
Thoughts on flotec heads…..i see they come with 1.94” intake and 1.60” exhaust……..those would work on the small 3cc valve relief stock pistons on a 1996 bronco 5.0 motor?? Im only asking cause i dont wanna waste time and money on the e7te heads….afr 1341 sbf heads are also same small valve heads and are specifically made to clear fatory small relief pistons….i like the afr’s but the combustion chamber is 64cc which will get me in the high 8’s low 9’s for compression…if i go with flotec they have 58cc chambers and should put me in at around 10.15:1 compression give or take depending on head gasket size……i know the flotecs are chiniusm and im ok with that …im not trying to make over 400hp….im building this motor for my 15 yr old son for when his 289 in his ‘67 mustang goes night night…..with after market heads and roller rockers im guessing the factory pushrods for the stamped rockers and roller lifters are no longer the correct legnth…..
Idk what fly cutting costs. Keeping with the budget theme, had you thought about just playing with can timing to gain piston to valve clearance? Just a thought
That might make a little room 4 intake valve, but just makes exhaust closer
what's the pistons compression ratio
It will be something like 11.5-12
@@Neomustangsthank you
good trick to use the crank stroke to gain cubic inches
Can’t wait to hear it screaming!!!
@neomustangs, no mention of any need to clearance the block. Do you not need to with the stroke you have with the 3.85 crank? My son and I are wanting to build a mild stroker for our ‘93 Lightning.
Theres more than one video about this engine that discuss most of your questions. Theres a playlist.
I've been considering building one for my 94F150 flareside! Got a set if trw .030 pistons, couple sets of 351w rods. But they're press fit pins. But I sold my heads! Got a set of professionally ported 289 heads, but probably won't run on 93 octane!
That's what I've been doing buying 351 Cleveland 4 bolt Main and f4te 351 Windsor blocks every time I see one.
Nice man
Hi Dan, you ever build motors and sell them? I would trust you over a stranger any day of the week. Thanks again, Brent
Maybe
Question for You doesn't ARP recommend you use the ultra torque lube on the head studs?
I'm enjoying this build but I'm curious to know if this would be suitable for a truck. I have a 97 f250hd with the 351w and would love to get more power for towing and hauling.
393 would work too
Those heads have good looking combustion chambers. Just know you render those chambers useless by not setting proper quench distance with those “0.060” + mls head gaskets. If you have zero deck height use 0.035” - 0.040” gaskets and a gasket bore that is exactly the same size as the bore. Proper quench deters detonation and allows you to run some extra compression. It’s more likely to detonate with 0.060” gaskets at lower compression than 0.035” gaskets at higher compression...
Badass bro I want to see the horsepower numbers off that monster
I'd love to see what this engine would make n/a then turbocharged.
Yes. I was not installing studs yet.
I just bought a 83 F150 with the 351 and manual (4wd) transmission, Definitely want more power But I reckon this much power would be not good for that truck.
Awesome video , should I go with a 351 Cleveland or Windsor .
Whichever you can afford most.
If you do 351C, make sure you use a deep 7 to 8 quart oil pan. Those heads can hold almost 2 quarts each at high rpms. You also need to provision the oil drain back in the front and lifter Valley also to aid in oil drain back.
Don't mess with the oil bypass and restrictor bull$hit. The issue is having a stock oil 5 quart oil pan with 4 quarts in the heads. Dry locking the oil system is the real problem.
Coming together very nicely Bro!
Much appreciated
Hey Neo, missed the live but I am here now brother! Man, Would love to have just a fraction of your garage. Nice. Cheers from Motown.
I hope that you have a great Friday!
You too!!
Which motor mounts would you use for a ford a 302 Motor to drop in a mercury Grand Marquis 1995 I wanna get that same amount of power 500 that's good enough
No idea sorry
Wondering if you suggest any of my good local machine shops to balance the 387 or should I drive up and drop my crank, rods, and pistons with your guy? I’m in Cincinnati and could make the drive pretty easy.
I was wondering what heads yall were going to use, u had the factory Windsor heads I was like ehhh why not at least some gt40/p heads I think I'm going to do something like this to my f150
We never said factory Windsor heads. Go follow the channels videos on the 387 the heads we chose are there
@Neomustangs I did I watched em all when u took the block to the shop u took the heads to so I figured ya know
I gotta question. Ready to do 351w swap and was wondering about Efi proportion? I have 93 Mustang and got 95 351w engine came outta 95 F150 just wondering if the wiring or efi harness is plug-n-play?
You can use your 93 harnesses yes. 351 and 302 roller is same firing order
@@Neomustangs appreciate it brother
what car did you take the block from?
They don’t normally come out of any cars.
Hey Dan I have been patient waiting on this one! 😮😊
What size TrickFlow heads????
Hi, got 351 in my mustang, it’s been sitting for 12 years never cranked it. Should I pull the motor an reseal it or run it like it is. Thanks
Pull the engines. Regasket the entire engine. Drain the old oil.Then with the distributor out, prime the oil pump with fresh proper weight oil and hand turn the rotating assembly. This will allow oil to the bearing surfaces.
If the motor was basically a fresh rebuild or completely new, break in oil after following the first steps mention before. Then drain and add synthetic proper weight oil.
Neo you said comp was right around 11to1 ! Will it work good with your turbo setup? I cant wait to see the junkyard dog eat!
It’ll be fine with e85 ya. It’ll be more like 11.5
@@Neomustangs Thats what my combo is! Im tryin to make the switch to turbo in the near future. Thx for the info.
You have me thinking about making changes on mine now Neo🤔 damn. Can I ask your opinion on some of the newer affordable china copy heads? I see a lot of dart copies and even AFR is making a beginning shift to china it seems. Namely nkb versions. Thanks
What about those cheaper AFR heads? Heard they pretty good
@@Neomustangs the AFR enforcers are the china boys.
Hey Daddy Dan, what Trick Flow heads are going on it. I really enjoy seeing it come together. Have a good weekend, Brent
Thanks 👍they are old rebuilt 170s
You I'll lose a skirt from one of those TRWs , i did once , should have used some 4032 drilled oil drains type forged pistons I've got a 385 ci windsor for my F150, I have collected a few good parts , eagle forged crank , crower rods , autotec forged pistons , retro fit comp cam , dart heads, milodon gear drive , Mallory dual sync , and a motec ecu , good projects 👍
I dont think it will
Motor’s built salvaging parts from the shop he says… brother that shop’s a mustang gold mine I’m certain! Nice build. :)
1964-1980-260-289-"302"-351W 28.oz balance,1982-1996-5.0LHO balance 50oz balance most Stroker kit based on 28oz balance?
Rhanks for always spreading the knowledge 👏🏾👌🏾😎🙏🏾🙌🏾🙏🏾🙌🏾
I'm subscribing, but I may have missed something I was with the impression that you were using some sort of factory portted 351W iron head not an aftermarket, but hell great bottom end....
How much did u save using old parts vs a street strip rotating assembly, those are tops 1000$ & it's balanced
I've not seen a balanced kit for that low cost. Cheapest I've seen in 1400 range. And not balanced. Most kits have dish pistons which kill any gains because CR is nonexistent
@@lonniemonroe2714 well with inflation everyday prices are now even worse, but most good company's balance there kits, it's got to b a complete kit too, I paid 1900 for a fully forged kit to handle 1000hp balanced at no additional price
What was the deal with the balancer? You were talking about it, then the video went to the balancer being on the motor.
We had to use it for balancing drilling holes. It’s in the playlist
You know good and damn well 351w threads are blind short and long side.😂 had to give you shit on that statement.
I figured someone would catch that.
How much hp can those factory 302 pistons handle?
More then then the stock rods....
I can’t wait to see what kind of Numbers it pushes out!! 😊awesome vide 👍🏻👍🏻😎👊🏻🤟🏻✌🏻🇺🇸
im not ragging on ya at all but those blue shop towels are a no bueno for me i learned my lesson on them i found out the best thing for wiping any internal surfaces is good old coffee filters they leave absolutely no lint and clean very well even better with isopropyl alcohol
The 351w has all blind head bolt holes. None of them go in the water jacket.
Yep was thinking 302.. fixed
@@Neomustangs sorry bro. Had to bust your balls! Loving the vids on the 387!
I LOVE THIS BUILD!!!! THIS IS WHAT HOT RODDING IS ALL ABOUT.
I did math, here’s the figures. 3850” Crank, 6.7947”(240-i connecting rods .912, 351 2V pistons(9.2 Clev) 10,280” deck 351M/400 block…. Hybrid timing gear chain set.
Also did math for Windsor 3.375” crank, Chevy after market 383 stroker with 6” Rods(1.125” CH pistons) .927.. Scat LS 6.100” rods .927 instead of .944” Small end( pistons with 4 eye valve reliefs. No one has posted any of these combinations of custom builds & these figures aren’t certain to work. Good luck, P.S. I bought my Eagle crankshaft 10351375 on sale directly from them for $59 & $72 shipped to my porch
I built mine as a 389...Eagle crank with 2.1 rod journal size with 3.750 stroke... Keith Black 4.060 pistons and Scat 6.2 rods for a SBC...RHS heads...
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🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻what tw head is that. So I basically had the entire recipe for this build minus the crank cam and balancing. I had a 351w roller sitting next to a stock piston 5.0 that had tw 170’s as cast… could have had a bad ass stroke for like a grand. 😢🤬 sold the stuff individually.
How much it cost to build a budget 500hp 351w stroker ford engine
Do you need the lifter retainer? I've been told yes and no by many people.
With roller cam..big yes.
Would have preferred to hear you talk during install to educate us a little more
Why not throw some Play-doh on the piston and some checker valve springs or modified lifters and check it yourself?
I want to check them at a machine shop to give folks an idea what they will see. i can do that myself i know.
No no no, get Boss 302 pistons or shave the tops of 351 H code pistons. Even 351M heads are good. Spend the money on a Clevor intake. Otherwise, brilliant work!
Mostly junk yard parts? Hmmmm…🤔 Sweet build tho fir sure.
My Frankenstein 84 is slowly coming together. Think i sent a picture on Instagram