thanks for watching this video about the parts that we used in our build. If you would like to see the engine build itself here is the link. ua-cam.com/video/D_4uuO3-9JI/v-deo.html
Just a quick comment, I went through the comments below, and I see you answered almost every single one of them. Truly unbelievable! You are one of a kind young sir!!!! Subbing this channel right NOW!!
Wow, thank you! i try to help ( if you can call it that ) where possible we have a TON of video ( over 700 gigs ) we are sifting through currently to get some new vids up of the new shop we built this 2020 covid year... from stripping top soil, to doing the concrete... ill walk you through how to build an ENTIRE building and what is important along the way... now that we have a spot for all the stuff, in 1 spot AT HOME it will be ALOT easier and faster to produce videos and get them out sooner... we have a TON of stuff on the go here and the videos coming will be worth it! glad you like the channel and thanks for Subbing.
I did a Windsor sr. in my 67 stang over 25 years ago. I have most everything that you showed except heads (mine are ported and polished Windsor jr.) the internet didn't exist back then. Had to research a lot from others and books. I never did anything to the bottom end. I will soon. Thanks for a great video.
That is a small little baby cam for the 408W. I'd guesstimate that you left at least 40hp on the table NA, and up to 100 when you add boost to it. It just won't have the lungs up top. Will be ok for picking up ice cream, but trying to meet your HP goals it'll fall short in that larger displacement stroker. You had a lot of duration left to play with and may find that it falls off after 5k rpms.
Edge of the cylinder head to edge of cylinder head is only 1 1/2” wider than the 302, it fits anywhere the anemic 302 does and it does the job so much easier
Great video. I really appreciate how you've explained the thought process of your parts selection. An engine really is a system. Everything has to mesh. Everything has to complement everything else.
Glad it was helpful! I appreciate not only you watching but taking the time to comment. If I missed anything or you have any questions don't hesitate to ask.
Awesome video, but most of all props for sharing. Even taking the time to PDF file the blueprint for someone like me who wants it but didnt know where to start to get it. Forever grateful. Subscribed for sure.
dont listen to them !!!! this setup is awesome!!! we have one on a buddies 427 and it made a touch over 1100 with a YSI what questions do you have about it?
710 Garage well for starters I bought the car it’s a 351w with mild bolt ons. Car has a good pep.. it’s running ridiculously rich. The previous owner in my opinion didn’t realize what he had hah told me it’s supposed to run very rich. I find that hard to believe. Secondly i want to pro charge it what are some things I’m going to need to work with the efi
it shouldnt run really rich. well first you need to decide on a power goal. then investigate what engine parts you have ( forged or not, cam etc. ) once you know these two things you can start to map out if the power can be had with your current setup or you need to change some parts. knowing the power goal, you can select the right sniper and fuel system required, and you can start to purchase parts its important to go step by step here and not rush, so that you can save money later on
710 Garage ahh okay gotcha! Thanks so much for the pointers I’ll sure keep ya posted.. the sniper runs extra Rich and my o2 keeps blowing out.. I have a local shop that said they can dial it in for me so I might just do that
where is the O2 located ? and is it angled UP coming out of the pipe?? have you tried to leave the battery unhooked ( completely ) and starting fresh with the setup wizard?
I would have gone with a custom cam for your application. I love the XE274HR but that’s way small cam for 408. Ideally something like 230-236 intake duration and 240-244 exhaust on a 114 LSA and .600 lift or so.
I apologize for digging up an old video - but do you happen to know what the motor was putting out before you added the S/Cer? I'm trying to play out a dependable 500-550 rwhp stroker, so I'm kind of curious. Great video, by the way.
no reason to be sorry!!! i havent gotten the car running well enough yet for dyno'ing... alot of bad reasons why?? moved built a shop had twins changed jobs this summer i tried to get it ready to go and turned out i had a bad ECU from holley for my fuel injection. so that was again another setback... i know that doesnt help you currently but i am working hard to get this thing running by spring time so i can give you the answer you want.
@@710Garage No worries at all man. I totally get it...life happens lol. I've subscribed to the channel and will keep a look out. Good luck with everything you have going on.
Will a F4TE roller 351w with stock pistons work with aftermarket heads with 2.02 lift? I was told the flat top pistons will not work but I’m not sure if they came stick with flat top pistons or not?
@@sammyvices2547 id venture to say youll be ok. you dont have a ton of lift try putting some playdoh on top of your piston and crank it over by hand. remove the head and measure how thick your playdoh is where the valve indent is let us know for sure !
Do you think a Trick Flow single plane intake 351W will fit in a 1968 Mustang? The Trick Flow intake measures 6.429 inches. I am just asking because i know you installed a Edelbrock Victor Junior #2981 5.75 inches tall in your 68 mustang. So I was wondering how much hood clearance you had with that intake? My car has a factory 1968 Mustang GT500 hood so there is a little more room but not quite sure it will clear.
Hi from Australia, I really enjoyed your video! You seem like a really nice person. Thanks for sharing. Will refer to this video in near future when I start my build. Nick
Thanks! Its incredible that this video made it all the way to the other side of the world! we will try to help you out if we can with any of your questions. Goodluck on your build!
Would love to see ya'll cover a 351w truck engine build running TBI & MPFI to see how a lot of this would translate over to us truck guys. Great stuff though! I think I may have found the supercharger I'll be going with when I'm ready to do so.
thats awesome! great idea for a video, we are in the middle of building a DREAM shop for the channel, and once we get moving it will be back to reg scheduled programming
My big question is, I have a 67 mustang with a T5 and I installed a 351w and the headers have been a nightmare. What headers and clutch linkage are you guys using?
I have a 68 cougar, 408w and tko. Read too many stories of cables melting to headers ... Went hydraulic clutch. Pita to install as there isn't much room (wrong location could hit brake booster etc. ) But it works fantastic once in.
I thought I wanted a FE for my 66 F100 truck. But a small block 427 sounds VERY appealing!! Is it cheaper to make a 427 out of a 351 than it is to build a healthy FE 390?? I just want around 400HP, nothing crazy, to make my 66 a fun street cruiser. Will never see a race track
if you only want 400 HP i wouldnt waste the money trying to make a 427.... you will need a dart block and such for that. to make 400 HP you need a intake, carb, and cam. thats a super simple way to make it sound healthy and make the goals you want.
It's cheap insurance to not have an issue later. I currently have a 347 at the machine shop that was supposed to be ready to go.. and guess what?? #2 main is out of round and we it wasn't checked we could have had significant problems ruining our good parts. I'd say it's worth the 4-500 to have it all looked over, so you know when it goes in its ready for a beating.
you wont regret it!!! everything from a SBF will bolt up, but you are starting with a more robust block, and it helps make more HP and torque due to the added displacement.. It really is a no brainer!!!
you're building very similar to what I'm working my way towards. I'm so glad you added that bit about the girdle on the end. i have that same PRW and had to clearance like crazy and I don't even have a stroker.. just modified 302. I'll be buying one of those billet ones when i got 351 stroker. sub'd for more man.
@@710Garage do you mind updating your parts pdf to include a part number with each item and cost? most of them have a part number, but some don't. and it just makes it easier that googling prices if you have them available. haven't made it through all your videos yet, but its a factory 351 block right? also, did you use the studs that came with that billet girdle or did you order some from ARP? or were the ones included ARP studs?
pricing will change based on where you buy , sales etc... so i would suggest just shopping a bit when you are ready to buy. yes its a stock 351w block. from the 70s so high iron content. i used the arp studs from the DSS girdle setup they are the same as you would buy from ARP so worked out well. the PRW ones were some chinese units that broke before even torquing down.
@@710Garage oh ya, i'll def shop around. i just meant a rough price estimate or msrp or w/e.. some didn't have an actual part number to search though. i could of course just google the brand and what its going on to figure it out i guess. i can't wait to see how much hp you pull out of that. im trying to find a way to budget in a world products 4 bolt main block.. and ya, i trashed the studs that came with the PRW girdle and ordered arp's and had to do some "modifications" to make it all work together. just wasn't sure if it was actually ARP's that came with the DSS girdle. makes it even easier. thanks for the replies btw. :)
ya i REALLY wanted a Dart block but had to draw the line somewhere... and for a car that was only ever meant to go get ice cream and cruise around the street i didnt feel like i would be able to get enough traction, or have the space to really stretch it out like a racer would. so for the 1 second blips of the throttle where on the street it breaks loose etc i hope the stocker will hold up well.
Great build what is the hp before the supercharger? What compression ratio? I'm looking to do very similar but not quite ready for supercharger cost. I just worry about running 9:1 compression will kill my hp till I can afford supercharger
9:1 will be a bit sluggish BUT if your end goal is a blower anyways then just deal with it? i would say we would right around the 520hp mark with this combo. you will be less due to the compression ratio you have chosen, but its not like it will be so bad you couldnt drive it. im running just over 10:1 with this combo. thanks alot for the view and taking the time to comment. it really helps!
Awesome video! Thanks for the info. Planning on doing a very similar build on my 89 gt. Do you have to upgrade to a higher flow fuel pump for the Holley sniper kit?
Hi Nathan, Thanks for the compliment and the question. Without knowing more about your current fuel pump or your engine build it is difficult to say if you will need a higher flow fuel pump. The choice of a fuel pump comes down to the expected horsepower of your engine. In the Holley Sniper manual, it lists three possible fuel pump choices depending on power. The power ranges are; up to 800HP, 800-1000HP and over 1000 HP. Here’s a link to the manual, have a look on page 6. documents.holley.com/199r11489.pdf Good luck with your engine build!
Hey guys, I'm trying to do a 408 build for my 95 bronco. I am copying your build pretty close but I'm doing a rear sump and NA I was wondering if there were things I could sub or remove, like the gurddle do I need that running na? Or do I need a HV oil pump? Just trying to get about 500 hp on a college kid budget lol
Or if you buy recomend a different cam for lower end power? Like this is a big truck on 35 in tires and my stock 351 is a dog in there. Just trying to get that extra umph, I also have a 69 block that I'm using for this build
the girdle is just for added piece of mind. it helps to hold the lower end together. its not NEEDED... but recommended. HV oil pump in my opinion is a MUST HAVE.... you always want as much oil as you can get to the bearings and internals of the motor so i would not skimp on this. the cam i have is setup for a blower. so yes you can for sure use different cams. there are TONS of options out there but ALOT will depend on compression ratio, heads, intake, stall convertor ( if auto ) and final gear ratio... so it would be hard for me to give a suggestion without that info. the folks over at Comp Cams are incredible to deal with. they can get you exactly what you want/need quickly and easily. i would give them a shout. BUT have that info i asked in the previous paragraph at the ready so they have the info they need. keep us in the loop with your build! and good luck. if you have more questions let us know!
710 Garage I don’t even have heads or intake picked out yet, I was gonna run the ones you guys had, compression ratio I was aiming to stick with pump gas so what’s that 10.5:1 for 87 octane, I’m willing to go up to premium 93 octane or even E85 is readily available around here. And I was gonna stick with the stock converter at first and work my way up until I found something smoother Ik the E4OD trans is a tough sob so I’m hoping I can keep that stock and then the rear end I was gonna re gear to locking 3:55 I hope that is a enough info to point me in the right direction. Thank you and I will definitely keep you guys in the loop.
That's awesome I wonder what my build date is then... I'd have to go back and sort through it. I have the take out motor and Trans sitting incase I ever want to go back.
Don't ask him ask his significant other, they'll have that number on the tip of their tongue. It's better to ask for forgiveness than to ask fo permission
@@710Garage im kinda poor so thinking about a 387! But with afr 165 heads! No need for bigger valve reliefs/ fly cutting pistons! Would the 282 cam be too much for a street build c4 car
Cheers from Motown! May I ask what might be the best Windsor block to build? Is older blocks better then newer blocks, perhaps a 70's block? Thank you. I want my hunkin 460 out of there the sooner the better.
MOTOWN!!?? thats SUPER close! the golden blocks are 68-72 but they may be hard to find ( go figure ) dont be scared of the newer blocks ( early 90s ) as they are super sturdy blocks still.
www.mustangandfords.com/how-to/engine/1407-how-to-push-a-junkyard-351-windsor-past-1000-hp/ as you can see here they didnt hurt the block... but throttling up and down so fast is what shattered this setup... engine masters also has quite a few vids on pushing the 351w up past 700hp easily... what are your goals with the setup and whats the budget lets work on a plan to achieve that!
do you have spark? pull a plug and place it against a metal surface on the engine... crank it over and see if you get a spark. DO NOT TOUCH THE METAL WHILE DOING THIS OR YOU WILL GET SHOCKED. if you have spark, are you getting fuel? check to see if you have fuel pressure.
Hey man I got a question, I love the build but was wondering what your thoughts on the Holley EFI after all this time? Are you still running the engine with it? What issues did you deal with after putting boost on it?
Thanks for the comment and the view! the holley efi is amazing.... I have had a few issues requiring sending the unit back but holley is amazing to deal with. I would LOVE to up my setup to a dominator but would need to sell my sniper to do so. so I guess I'll keep it for sale and if it sells great. If not.. well... if it ain't broke don't fix it!
@@710GarageThank you for continuing to engage with your audience. I'm considering doing something very similar and put a centrfigual supercharger on a 1988 ski boat. We upgraded the heads to the "GT40" ones and the intake manifold to the same Edelbrock one you're using. We're going to rebuild the lower end soon. Im still pondering on the idea of using a blow-through carburetor and other old-school stuff to support the supercharger, or going to EFI. Do you think it makes sense to switch the carburetor to a Super Sniper?
I had absolutely no luck with the efi.. if I'm being 100% honest for YEARS... I went to Steve Morris for a tune ( that sucked so bad the car wouldn't run ) I tried the setup wizard... I tried alot... but as it's a toy car for me I just put it away and when cooler heads were around I went back out to tinker... at the end of last season I went to Trevor at TC Tuned... he emailed me a tune and BOOM everything started to click... Through data logging I found an issue where the efi kept dropping my 02 sensor and it would fall on its face... working with holley they were absolutely amazing and I got another new sniper sent out... with the car sitting about 9 months I installed the new holley last week and it fired up like it was running 5 mins prior and seemed to be running awesomely... I'm upgrading my steering setup currently ( hope to be complete this weekend ) and I can get it out and test it... long winded answer but FINALLY I am so so so happy with it ( for the amount it's ran and driven ) and I should have gone to see Trevor sooner... let me update again next week but I'm 99.9% certain I will be back in love with my baby, and be a sworn holley efi customer for the long haul.
Also...... thank you for watching!! I truly enjoy making videos and chatting with people ( like you ) about it... I had no one to help me prior to doing this stuff so if I can help I will
Hope you didn't torque them to the 1/2 torque ! , I made my one but it is on top of the main caps with around a 3/8 spacer all ground flat , so its all held down with 1/2 NF arp main studs & nuts , getting 127 mph 1/4 mile , still together. :-)
I notice you guys do alot of carb, any particular reason? I was thinking of throttle body injection to be able to use the carb parts but efi ease of use.
@@fawkurface46 We try to cover a little of everything and would be happy to explore topics of interest. Give us a shout out any time with a video suggestion and we will do our best to bring it to your screen.
the car is super super clean and I didn't want to cut for all the piping. this was the least intrusive option for me. and besides.. who doesn't love the blower whine at idle? lol
what's up 710. PLEASE HELP, ALL OPINIONS ARE WELCOME+IM ON A TIME CRUNCH TO MAKE THIS BUILD HAPPEN!! i'm doing my first aftermarket upgrade/non-factory parts/performance rebuild engine. i'm budget 393 stroking a stock 351w. i'm not sure if *jegs* and *summit racing* are reliable enough(even with research) for me to spend a couple thousand each at both of them in parts. i've seen reviews saying they list parts that are backordered and/or discontinued and extend the shipping dates repeatedly and make it tough to get your money back; so if that's true who would you recommend?
I see you didn't do your homework on the heads, the Dart heads are not the best choice. The Trick Flow 11R Twisted wedge head performs better on the dyno.
sometimes you go for what is available in the timeframe you have to build a motor. i did not say these are the best parts ever created for the SBF. thanks for the comment, and goodluck with your engine!
just because you spent good money doesnt mean it will be flawless or work beyond expectations. thanks for the comment though! ill try to remember that in the future
351 stroker, what crank is used? What rods are used? What pistons, specifically piston pin location. Who cares about camshafts teach us something we don't know.
@@710Garage I'm not sure what a "pdf" is? What I need to know is if 351 clevland pistons are used, because of the valve reliefs? Do 351 clevland pistons have the same pin location as a Windsor piston? Sorry, but if I had the answer I wouldn't be asking. Have a great day. Wes.😎
in the description i have a link you can click that will open a document for all the parts i used in the build. they are Windsor pistons not cleveland.
@710Garage I noticed that you listed 16124 eagle kit.... it has sir i-beam rods but you show h beam. Did you change rods? How good are the sir i-beam rods?
302 will hold 500 hp don't know what u r talking about the crank is the week point and u got a forged bottom end 4 the 351 u could of did the same noob
thanks for the insight..... not sure how many built 5.0s you have done personally.... but ive done them and there is PLENTY of info on the web about 5.0s snapping in half. keep watching, i would love to see your comments on my future videos.
@@710Garage - solid cam, 225 TF heads (would like 220 actually), 11.5 comp, Jesel Shaft Rocker Arms, undecided about carb or Holley hi ram. Would like EFI tunenability for street/strip tunes and not have to mess with jets, but, were talking $2500 extra just for tuneability, pricey, 1 7/8 headers or bigger, 7600rpm across the traps yada yada yada.............
@@710Garage - Whats an hour with your car once every 3 months to have a 600hp street/strip engine? Like I said, girly parts for a girly engine. However, I do like girls. If your gonna go through stroking it, do it right. If not, just take a stock block and throw a super charger on it. Will make just as much HP and even less wear, tear and longevity to boot (as long as you keep it respectable).
thanks for watching this video about the parts that we used in our build. If you would like to see the engine build itself here is the link. ua-cam.com/video/D_4uuO3-9JI/v-deo.html
Just a quick comment, I went through the comments below, and I see you answered almost every single one of them. Truly unbelievable! You are one of a kind young sir!!!! Subbing this channel right NOW!!
Wow, thank you!
i try to help ( if you can call it that ) where possible
we have a TON of video ( over 700 gigs ) we are sifting through currently to get some new vids up of the new shop we built this 2020 covid year...
from stripping top soil, to doing the concrete... ill walk you through how to build an ENTIRE building and what is important along the way...
now that we have a spot for all the stuff, in 1 spot AT HOME it will be ALOT easier and faster to produce videos and get them out sooner... we have a TON of stuff on the go here and the videos coming will be worth it!
glad you like the channel and thanks for Subbing.
I did a Windsor sr. in my 67 stang over 25 years ago. I have most everything that you showed except heads (mine are ported and polished Windsor jr.) the internet didn't exist back then. Had to research a lot from others and books. I never did anything to the bottom end. I will soon. Thanks for a great video.
glad you enjoyed it. make sure to check back in and let us know what parts you used!!
Love them ford 351windsor builds
HI my name is Jeremy and im in love with 351w's!!
thanks for putting all the time to put this info out there
You're welcome!
Thanks for your time!
thanks for taking the time to watch it!!
im back working on this car now so content will be coming again!!!
Always wondered about putting a 351 in a Foxbody Mustang. My current 302 is set back one in from stock. I had to shorten my driveshaft..
this is a super easy swap. new oil pan, headers, intake and you are basically ready to go.
The info is good. The links are nice. But that PDF is Awesome.
thanks alot for taking the time to watch, read, and comment!!! hopefully that will help you build a nice setup for your car/truck aswell
That is a small little baby cam for the 408W. I'd guesstimate that you left at least 40hp on the table NA, and up to 100 when you add boost to it.
It just won't have the lungs up top. Will be ok for picking up ice cream, but trying to meet your HP goals it'll fall short in that larger displacement stroker. You had a lot of duration left to play with and may find that it falls off after 5k rpms.
you might be right but as a street car primarily i didnt want to go so huge that drivability was effected.
Strong block and 331 super sweet. 500+ easy done
hopefully!
Edge of the cylinder head to edge of cylinder head is only 1 1/2” wider than the 302, it fits anywhere the anemic 302 does and it does the job so much easier
exactly my point :)
thats aswsome video, thanks for sharing your knowledge! Got same engine for my 68 fastback project and would love to do same mods to it as you did
sounds like a wicked little setup you are making! let us know when you get it going!
Great video. I really appreciate how you've explained the thought process of your parts selection. An engine really is a system. Everything has to mesh. Everything has to complement everything else.
Glad it was helpful! I appreciate not only you watching but taking the time to comment. If I missed anything or you have any questions don't hesitate to ask.
Many variables to consider, bolt strength, I like it.
glad you enjoyed the video
Awesome video, but most of all props for sharing. Even taking the time to PDF file the blueprint for someone like me who wants it but didnt know where to start to get it. Forever grateful. Subscribed for sure.
thanks for the great comment!! hopefully it will help you on your build!
With the Holley efi how do we run a Paxton on it? I have a 351w with a sniper and everybody’s telling me to get rid of it.. help me out!!
dont listen to them !!!! this setup is awesome!!! we have one on a buddies 427 and it made a touch over 1100 with a YSI
what questions do you have about it?
710 Garage well for starters I bought the car it’s a 351w with mild bolt ons. Car has a good pep.. it’s running ridiculously rich. The previous owner in my opinion didn’t realize what he had hah told me it’s supposed to run very rich. I find that hard to believe. Secondly i want to pro charge it what are some things I’m going to need to work with the efi
it shouldnt run really rich.
well first you need to decide on a power goal.
then investigate what engine parts you have ( forged or not, cam etc. )
once you know these two things you can start to map out if the power can be had with your current setup or you need to change some parts.
knowing the power goal, you can select the right sniper and fuel system required, and you can start to purchase parts
its important to go step by step here and not rush, so that you can save money later on
710 Garage ahh okay gotcha! Thanks so much for the pointers I’ll sure keep ya posted.. the sniper runs extra Rich and my o2 keeps blowing out.. I have a local shop that said they can dial it in for me so I might just do that
where is the O2 located ? and is it angled UP coming out of the pipe??
have you tried to leave the battery unhooked ( completely ) and starting fresh with the setup wizard?
I would have gone with a custom cam for your application. I love the XE274HR but that’s way small cam for 408. Ideally something like 230-236 intake duration and 240-244 exhaust on a 114 LSA and .600 lift or so.
Did you use a block girdle or 4bolt mains ?
DSS main support system
I apologize for digging up an old video - but do you happen to know what the motor was putting out before you added the S/Cer? I'm trying to play out a dependable 500-550 rwhp stroker, so I'm kind of curious.
Great video, by the way.
no reason to be sorry!!! i havent gotten the car running well enough yet for dyno'ing...
alot of bad reasons why??
moved
built a shop
had twins
changed jobs
this summer i tried to get it ready to go and turned out i had a bad ECU from holley for my fuel injection. so that was again another setback...
i know that doesnt help you currently but i am working hard to get this thing running by spring time so i can give you the answer you want.
@@710Garage No worries at all man. I totally get it...life happens lol. I've subscribed to the channel and will keep a look out. Good luck with everything you have going on.
thanks alot! sorry i couldnt give a better answer as of yet.. but i sure hope shortly it will be better than we expected!
Great video. Was wondering if block was dart or just plain 351. And does it matter when stroking with high hp
stock block there have been MANY guys pushing 1k with these
Will a F4TE roller 351w with stock pistons work with aftermarket heads with 2.02 lift? I was told the flat top pistons will not work but I’m not sure if they came stick with flat top pistons or not?
2.02 is the valve size. what cam lift are you running and rocker arms?
@@710Garage stock cam and 1.6 rockers
@@sammyvices2547 id venture to say youll be ok. you dont have a ton of lift
try putting some playdoh on top of your piston and crank it over by hand.
remove the head and measure how thick your playdoh is where the valve indent is
let us know for sure !
@@710Garage ok thank you
Do you think a Trick Flow single plane intake 351W will fit in a 1968 Mustang? The Trick Flow intake measures 6.429 inches. I am just asking because i know you installed a Edelbrock Victor Junior #2981 5.75 inches tall in your 68 mustang. So I was wondering how much hood clearance you had with that intake? My car has a factory 1968 Mustang GT500 hood so there is a little more room but not quite sure it will clear.
i milled my intake down about .625" and i still missed clearing my hood by a good amount.
i have drop mounts and had my elbow machined down aswell.
Hi from Australia, I really enjoyed your video! You seem like a really nice person. Thanks for sharing. Will refer to this video in near future when I start my build. Nick
Thanks! Its incredible that this video made it all the way to the other side of the world! we will try to help you out if we can with any of your questions. Goodluck on your build!
Sick video. Very informative needed this kind of details
Glad it was helpful!, thank you for taking the time to comment!
Great video man love how you tell us why you went with that part
thanks alot!!!
lots more to come.
cant wait to get this thing out and making some noise!
Would love to see ya'll cover a 351w truck engine build running TBI & MPFI to see how a lot of this would translate over to us truck guys. Great stuff though! I think I may have found the supercharger I'll be going with when I'm ready to do so.
thats awesome!
great idea for a video, we are in the middle of building a DREAM shop for the channel, and once we get moving it will be back to reg scheduled programming
What year was the 351 engine from?
1984
My big question is, I have a 67 mustang with a T5 and I installed a 351w and the headers have been a nightmare. What headers and clutch linkage are you guys using?
hedman headers and a clutch CABLE conversion was used ( uses a 99-04 mustang cable )
i have lots of room around mine
@@710Garage I did a cable conversion on my 68 falcon 351w toploader...Slick.
I have a 68 cougar, 408w and tko. Read too many stories of cables melting to headers ... Went hydraulic clutch. Pita to install as there isn't much room (wrong location could hit brake booster etc. ) But it works fantastic once in.
Looking to put a 351 in my 68 mustang and get good horsepower, but not really wanting to supercharge it do you have any suggestions?
bump the compression ratio up a bit, GOOD heads, intake and cam!
Thank you!
What do I need to just put in a 4in stroker crank into a 351w no boring just cam and crank
you will have to clearance the bottom of the bores. like i did.
I thought I wanted a FE for my 66 F100 truck. But a small block 427 sounds VERY appealing!! Is it cheaper to make a 427 out of a 351 than it is to build a healthy FE 390?? I just want around 400HP, nothing crazy, to make my 66 a fun street cruiser. Will never see a race track
if you only want 400 HP i wouldnt waste the money trying to make a 427.... you will need a dart block and such for that.
to make 400 HP you need a intake, carb, and cam. thats a super simple way to make it sound healthy and make the goals you want.
I never could tell what Erson Lifters you used? RL962? Thanks.
that is correct!
How important is it to line bore/hone the journals before re install? My engine is out of a high mileage truck, but it’s cleaning up very nice!
It's cheap insurance to not have an issue later.
I currently have a 347 at the machine shop that was supposed to be ready to go.. and guess what?? #2 main is out of round and we it wasn't checked we could have had significant problems ruining our good parts.
I'd say it's worth the 4-500 to have it all looked over, so you know when it goes in its ready for a beating.
@@710Garage dang it. You’re right.
@FootageFactory it happens from time to time 😆 thanks for the comment! Hopefully it helps you a little bit.
this channel is awesome
thanks for the review!! glad you are liking the content!
With the build you did, how would a dual plane intake affect your power?
Will bring it in lower. Single plane likes the rpm more
Can you tag me in a video of it running? I can't find the video
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fast forward to the end if you dont want to see an exhaust built :)
710 Garage What kind of power can you get from pro charge?
depends on the supercharger model used, how fast you spin in, and how big the engine is.
they make kits from about 500hp to over 1500hp.
Pretty Badass! I got a 95’ F150 single cab short bed I wanna put a 351w in it
you wont regret it!!! everything from a SBF will bolt up, but you are starting with a more robust block, and it helps make more HP and torque due to the added displacement.. It really is a no brainer!!!
I did that swap a few years ago. Love the 351
sounds just like a lightning
Would this build be good to run as NA, then add boost few years later?
Yes it will work for that NP
you're building very similar to what I'm working my way towards. I'm so glad you added that bit about the girdle on the end. i have that same PRW and had to clearance like crazy and I don't even have a stroker.. just modified 302. I'll be buying one of those billet ones when i got 351 stroker. sub'd for more man.
thanks for the comment. glad it helped you out. keep in touch with your build we would love to see what parts you used and how you like it.
@@710Garage do you mind updating your parts pdf to include a part number with each item and cost? most of them have a part number, but some don't. and it just makes it easier that googling prices if you have them available. haven't made it through all your videos yet, but its a factory 351 block right? also, did you use the studs that came with that billet girdle or did you order some from ARP? or were the ones included ARP studs?
pricing will change based on where you buy , sales etc... so i would suggest just shopping a bit when you are ready to buy.
yes its a stock 351w block. from the 70s so high iron content.
i used the arp studs from the DSS girdle setup they are the same as you would buy from ARP so worked out well.
the PRW ones were some chinese units that broke before even torquing down.
@@710Garage oh ya, i'll def shop around. i just meant a rough price estimate or msrp or w/e.. some didn't have an actual part number to search though. i could of course just google the brand and what its going on to figure it out i guess. i can't wait to see how much hp you pull out of that. im trying to find a way to budget in a world products 4 bolt main block.. and ya, i trashed the studs that came with the PRW girdle and ordered arp's and had to do some "modifications" to make it all work together. just wasn't sure if it was actually ARP's that came with the DSS girdle. makes it even easier. thanks for the replies btw. :)
ya i REALLY wanted a Dart block but had to draw the line somewhere... and for a car that was only ever meant to go get ice cream and cruise around the street i didnt feel like i would be able to get enough traction, or have the space to really stretch it out like a racer would.
so for the 1 second blips of the throttle where on the street it breaks loose etc i hope the stocker will hold up well.
hey man, is the rod clearancing for the stroker crank at the bottom of the bores completely necessary? asking for a 408w, looking at 800-900 hp.
yes it is.
My mates 408 with procharger , 8 psi made 800hp on the dyno , 666hp at the wheels 👹
Which makes sense for about 8psi.
14.7psi will generally double the hp the motor makes NA
Awesome video. In the end how much money was spent building your 351
more than i would like to admit... my wife can see these comments! lol
Bahaha nuff said
Great build what is the hp before the supercharger? What compression ratio? I'm looking to do very similar but not quite ready for supercharger cost. I just worry about running 9:1 compression will kill my hp till I can afford supercharger
9:1 will be a bit sluggish BUT if your end goal is a blower anyways then just deal with it? i would say we would right around the 520hp mark with this combo. you will be less due to the compression ratio you have chosen, but its not like it will be so bad you couldnt drive it.
im running just over 10:1 with this combo.
thanks alot for the view and taking the time to comment. it really helps!
id guess youd be around 400 hp at that compression ratio
Awesome video! Thanks for the info. Planning on doing a very similar build on my 89 gt. Do you have to upgrade to a higher flow fuel pump for the Holley sniper kit?
Hi Nathan, Thanks for the compliment and the question. Without knowing more about your current fuel pump or your engine build it is difficult to say if you will need a higher flow fuel pump. The choice of a fuel pump comes down to the expected horsepower of your engine. In the Holley Sniper manual, it lists three possible fuel pump choices depending on power. The power ranges are; up to 800HP, 800-1000HP and over 1000 HP. Here’s a link to the manual, have a look on page 6. documents.holley.com/199r11489.pdf
Good luck with your engine build!
Hey guys, I'm trying to do a 408 build for my 95 bronco. I am copying your build pretty close but I'm doing a rear sump and NA I was wondering if there were things I could sub or remove, like the gurddle do I need that running na? Or do I need a HV oil pump? Just trying to get about 500 hp on a college kid budget lol
Or if you buy recomend a different cam for lower end power? Like this is a big truck on 35 in tires and my stock 351 is a dog in there. Just trying to get that extra umph, I also have a 69 block that I'm using for this build
the girdle is just for added piece of mind. it helps to hold the lower end together. its not NEEDED... but recommended.
HV oil pump in my opinion is a MUST HAVE.... you always want as much oil as you can get to the bearings and internals of the motor so i would not skimp on this.
the cam i have is setup for a blower. so yes you can for sure use different cams. there are TONS of options out there but ALOT will depend on compression ratio, heads, intake, stall convertor ( if auto ) and final gear ratio... so it would be hard for me to give a suggestion without that info.
the folks over at Comp Cams are incredible to deal with. they can get you exactly what you want/need quickly and easily. i would give them a shout. BUT have that info i asked in the previous paragraph at the ready so they have the info they need.
keep us in the loop with your build! and good luck. if you have more questions let us know!
710 Garage I don’t even have heads or intake picked out yet, I was gonna run the ones you guys had, compression ratio I was aiming to stick with pump gas so what’s that 10.5:1 for 87 octane, I’m willing to go up to premium 93 octane or even E85 is readily available around here. And I was gonna stick with the stock converter at first and work my way up until I found something smoother Ik the E4OD trans is a tough sob so I’m hoping I can keep that stock and then the rear end I was gonna re gear to locking 3:55 I hope that is a enough info to point me in the right direction. Thank you and I will definitely keep you guys in the loop.
Do you like the holly better then the edelbrock,& why ????
which part are you asking about?
was that an original 289? Ford used up what they had left at in January 1968 and went to the 302 after that.
Yes sir 289 car.
@@710Garageallegedly, the last 289 blocks have the 302 bore length and may be better for stroking to avoid piston rock at BDC.
That's awesome I wonder what my build date is then... I'd have to go back and sort through it. I have the take out motor and Trans sitting incase I ever want to go back.
So what did this build end up costing all said and done?
not sure to be completely honest.... sometimes its better not knowing lmfao
Don't ask him ask his significant other, they'll have that number on the tip of their tongue. It's better to ask for forgiveness than to ask fo permission
Will a 351 fit in a 65 coupe
yes it will
How streetable would this combo be?
100% it's 10.2:1 so pump gas friendly
@@710Garage im kinda poor so thinking about a 387! But with afr 165 heads! No need for bigger valve reliefs/ fly cutting pistons! Would the 282 cam be too much for a street build c4 car
@@710Garage or do you know someone who makes good pistons for bigger than 165 heads
Cheers from Motown! May I ask what might be the best Windsor block to build? Is older blocks better then newer blocks, perhaps a 70's block? Thank you. I want my hunkin 460 out of there the sooner the better.
MOTOWN!!?? thats SUPER close!
the golden blocks are 68-72 but they may be hard to find ( go figure )
dont be scared of the newer blocks ( early 90s ) as they are super sturdy blocks still.
www.mustangandfords.com/how-to/engine/1407-how-to-push-a-junkyard-351-windsor-past-1000-hp/
as you can see here they didnt hurt the block... but throttling up and down so fast is what shattered this setup...
engine masters also has quite a few vids on pushing the 351w up past 700hp easily...
what are your goals with the setup and whats the budget lets work on a plan to achieve that!
Hey man! Where are you guys located? I need help with my 71-74 windsor, im building
Just outside Detroit
I have a 351w it cranks but won’t start please help
do you have spark? pull a plug and place it against a metal surface on the engine... crank it over and see if you get a spark. DO NOT TOUCH THE METAL WHILE DOING THIS OR YOU WILL GET SHOCKED.
if you have spark, are you getting fuel?
check to see if you have fuel pressure.
I got shocked I’m not sure about fuel uet
This a truly a blessing. Thank you very very much 🙏🏻
You're very welcome glad you liked it!
Hey man I got a question, I love the build but was wondering what your thoughts on the Holley EFI after all this time? Are you still running the engine with it? What issues did you deal with after putting boost on it?
Thanks for the comment and the view!
the holley efi is amazing....
I have had a few issues requiring sending the unit back but holley is amazing to deal with. I would LOVE to up my setup to a dominator but would need to sell my sniper to do so.
so I guess I'll keep it for sale and if it sells great. If not.. well... if it ain't broke don't fix it!
@@710GarageThank you for continuing to engage with your audience. I'm considering doing something very similar and put a centrfigual supercharger on a 1988 ski boat. We upgraded the heads to the "GT40" ones and the intake manifold to the same Edelbrock one you're using. We're going to rebuild the lower end soon. Im still pondering on the idea of using a blow-through carburetor and other old-school stuff to support the supercharger, or going to EFI. Do you think it makes sense to switch the carburetor to a Super Sniper?
I had absolutely no luck with the efi.. if I'm being 100% honest for YEARS... I went to Steve Morris for a tune ( that sucked so bad the car wouldn't run ) I tried the setup wizard... I tried alot...
but as it's a toy car for me I just put it away and when cooler heads were around I went back out to tinker...
at the end of last season I went to Trevor at TC Tuned... he emailed me a tune and BOOM everything started to click...
Through data logging I found an issue where the efi kept dropping my 02 sensor and it would fall on its face... working with holley they were absolutely amazing and I got another new sniper sent out...
with the car sitting about 9 months I installed the new holley last week and it fired up like it was running 5 mins prior and seemed to be running awesomely...
I'm upgrading my steering setup currently ( hope to be complete this weekend ) and I can get it out and test it...
long winded answer but FINALLY I am so so so happy with it ( for the amount it's ran and driven ) and I should have gone to see Trevor sooner...
let me update again next week but I'm 99.9% certain I will be back in love with my baby, and be a sworn holley efi customer for the long haul.
Also...... thank you for watching!! I truly enjoy making videos and chatting with people ( like you ) about it... I had no one to help me prior to doing this stuff so if I can help I will
Hope you didn't torque them to the 1/2 torque ! , I made my one but it is on top of the main caps with around a 3/8 spacer all ground flat , so its all held down with 1/2 NF arp main studs & nuts , getting 127 mph 1/4 mile , still together. :-)
well thats awesome
I notice you guys do alot of carb, any particular reason? I was thinking of throttle body injection to be able to use the carb parts but efi ease of use.
nvm I watched your full video and I'm an idiot. my apologies. missed it first time through due to kids screaming
@@fawkurface46 We try to cover a little of everything and would be happy to explore topics of interest. Give us a shout out any time with a video suggestion and we will do our best to bring it to your screen.
400 crankshaft and 300 rods for a genuine FirstOnRaceDay engine
the old tried and true!
Nice
Thanks for the comment
Cylinder heads = power potential
why a blower instead of turbos
the car is super super clean and I didn't want to cut for all the piping.
this was the least intrusive option for me.
and besides.. who doesn't love the blower whine at idle? lol
what's up 710. PLEASE HELP, ALL OPINIONS ARE WELCOME+IM ON A TIME CRUNCH TO MAKE THIS BUILD HAPPEN!! i'm doing my first aftermarket upgrade/non-factory parts/performance rebuild engine. i'm budget 393 stroking a stock 351w. i'm not sure if *jegs* and *summit racing* are reliable enough(even with research) for me to spend a couple thousand each at both of them in parts. i've seen reviews saying they list parts that are backordered and/or discontinued and extend the shipping dates repeatedly and make it tough to get your money back; so if that's true who would you recommend?
try Callies not only are they amazing quality they are great to deal with
How much did you spend?
I'm not sure completely
But with covid tax I'm sure the pricing would be way way different now anyways unfortunately
I see you didn't do your homework on the heads, the Dart heads are not the best choice. The Trick Flow 11R Twisted wedge head performs better on the dyno.
sometimes you go for what is available in the timeframe you have to build a motor.
i did not say these are the best parts ever created for the SBF.
thanks for the comment, and goodluck with your engine!
Definitely...
for sure.
Get rid of the word "Hopefully. Luckily. Etc" That's why you are spending good money on Good Parts..
just because you spent good money doesnt mean it will be flawless or work beyond expectations. thanks for the comment though! ill try to remember that in the future
@@710Garage yes it will, have faith on yourself.
so fair you are correct it is doing everything i could have hoped!
@@710Garage Well, "Lucky" for you.
i see what you did here.....
Don't need 2000 bolts. Going to have a lot leftover.
😬🙆😁
Arp 2000 bolts are a type of bolt offered. Not that there are literally 2000 of them.
351 stroker, what crank is used? What rods are used? What pistons, specifically piston pin location. Who cares about camshafts teach us something we don't know.
there is a PDF that was made that shows all parts used if you are interested in super specific specs
@@710Garage I'm not sure what a "pdf" is? What I need to know is if 351 clevland pistons are used, because of the valve reliefs? Do 351 clevland pistons have the same pin location as a Windsor piston? Sorry, but if I had the answer I wouldn't be asking. Have a great day. Wes.😎
in the description i have a link you can click that will open a document for all the parts i used in the build.
they are Windsor pistons not cleveland.
@710Garage I noticed that you listed 16124 eagle kit.... it has sir i-beam rods but you show h beam. Did you change rods? How good are the sir i-beam rods?
I'm not reading everything you added. That block won't hold to 600+ you need that main girdles AND a valley girdle.
www.mustangandfords.com/how-to/engine/1407-how-to-push-a-junkyard-351-windsor-past-1000-hp/
i beg to differ.
Chevy guys always on ford groups and videos. Sad
302 will hold 500 hp don't know what u r talking about the crank is the week point and u got a forged bottom end 4 the 351 u could of did the same noob
thanks for the insight.....
not sure how many built 5.0s you have done personally.... but ive done them and there is PLENTY of info on the web about 5.0s snapping in half.
keep watching, i would love to see your comments on my future videos.
How TF do you still need to port 2k worth of cylinder heads. Is this lowkey telling us to buy AFR instead?
maybe i did more harm than good?? but whats a better way to learn??
Dang, bunch o girly parts!!
What are your suggestions then?
@@710Garage - solid cam, 225 TF heads (would like 220 actually), 11.5 comp, Jesel Shaft Rocker Arms, undecided about carb or Holley hi ram. Would like EFI tunenability for street/strip tunes and not have to mess with jets, but, were talking $2500 extra just for tuneability, pricey, 1 7/8 headers or bigger, 7600rpm across the traps yada yada yada.............
Solid cam for a street car?? Sounds like more hassle than it's worth.
@@710Garage - Whats an hour with your car once every 3 months to have a 600hp street/strip engine? Like I said, girly parts for a girly engine. However, I do like girls. If your gonna go through stroking it, do it right. If not, just take a stock block and throw a super charger on it. Will make just as much HP and even less wear, tear and longevity to boot (as long as you keep it respectable).
Well thanks for the comment. Safe to say we think differently about some parts above but that's why the world goes round... everyone isn't the same.
Haha, i got to watch a gay disney commercial with a black fairy in it? What the hell was that?
equal opportunity actor :)
thanks for the view!
Cam too small, super vic is better
i appreciate your comment, but we feel like its a good combo for what we are doing with the car!