Keep the comments respectful especially of those that were murdered in this bloody conflict - I will not tolerate mocking of the dead who cannot defend themselves. I will ban any and all accounts spewing filth.
@@jackietreehorn5561 nice one. No my family on my fathers side own travelling fairgrounds, and they have their winter quarters in Bollymoyer Whitecross. So when i was a wee boy my parents would bring me down to visit. It was lovely down there, quite the bucolic idyll. But i agree it is not that great now. Now its Soprano land
Think the book itself signed his own death warrant...but definitely a great read.... great detail about how young men with bright futures got involved due to the experience they went through....same goes with Iraq, Afghanistan etc....violence militarily against the local population snowballs and escalates into a vicious cycle for years and generations
@@jackietreehorn5561 yes, I can’t remember where i saw that, but i did know about it. I always thought that there should have been a special dispensation for people like Eamon. I think his death was so unnecessary. Times I think he should have brought his family to the South, even though the peace accord had gone through, the graffiti on his house was a clue he should take them all down south again. Still it was a stupid unnecessary action
I hate the expression often applied to people during the troubles as having 'lost their lives'. They didn't. They were killed, and depending on your perspective, they were murdered. Glad to see this channel is doing so well recently. Keep up the good work ATL!
He moved back to Newry and on several occasions there were slogans wrote on the walls saying ' Eamon Collins informer ' he painted over them a couple of times. One morning in 1999 he left his house early to bring his dog for a walk and never returned. His body was found in a nearby field with multiple stab wounds to the chest , arms , neck , hands and face. In one statement from a news paper it said ' There was particular hatred in this killing and his wounds to his face made him barely recognisable '. I guess he should have stayed in the South of Eíre...!!
Remember that his family home was burnt out and graffiti saying how ya like the house warming....good book but he must have had a death wish living back there
If the Provos took out Scap the Brits would have unleashed all kinds of dirt against them. It suited everyone, the Provos most of all, to let sleeping dogs lie.
At the time of Collins's horrific murder Gerry Adams was reported as describing it merely as 'regrettable'. This was after the 1998 GFA, so much for forgive and forget / moving on etc.
McGartland is worth looking into. He of the 50 dead men walking. He did an extened 2 episode podcast recently that shows you exactly how badly he and other touts were treated by the brits. Always better to do the time as far as I can see, no matter what games are afoot.
The man would lead you to believe he was the end all of the boys in that area.....after he got locked up even more operations occurred with a better kill rate also his South Down Command seemed to barely extend out of Newry....nothing about the IRA in the Castlewellan or Downpatrick areas.
As a Irish man who look back and see only now that there was no winners but back then the country was angry with how the British government and army were hurting us for being Irish sad times
Thought out the1970’s/80’s they would get back to England and boast about how they would harm the Irish. While the UDA supporters would abuse Catholic children and drum into the heads of young children in schools lies about Catholic’s. From name calling to hammer attacks. I’d not know the provo units then but provo prisoners would be Irish or Scottish decent. And now we can look at who died or was arrested in England they all had Irish or Scottish family names. There was a lot of grassing in England by the 90’s that’s why the bombings were low in England at the time. but most government and anyone was an easy target. Be seen near an army base and you’d be on the local radio to keep an eye open or if you parked up and sat in your car the armed police would be racing around after you, be seen walking across a field you’d have armed police shouting the warning they were armed. It was madness and one of the units couldn’t live for very long in one house as the police would ask people in the street to inform them of movements.
well if you put bombs under a mans car when he is taking his kids to school and it kills him and his 11 year old daughter. If you shoot a young girl dead who is coming home with her boyfriend and both innocent civilians. If you plant a bomb at a Remembrance Day parade and kill and main people, then its obvious you are a terrorist. Both sides, IRA and UDA liked to call themselves soldiers. But they were to soldiering as to what Sam Smith is to body building
What's your views on hamas and the Zionest's any hero's there, I seem to remember that the British were armed to the teeth when they were pushing each other over when the Germans chased them into the sea at DUNKIRK.. bulldog spirit.,.or bullshit soldiers, left all Thier weapons behind. Germans were outnumbered. Thank god for the French resistance. You welcomed those small boats ....... Revisionist shut they cake hole.
Seems like the same old way get the young while they’re young and angry fill their heads with ideology and power they’ll have , it seemed to happen both religions
What’s religion got to do with it all? It wasn’t a war over religion… Republican / nationalist community (who were on the whole Irish Catholic, though many PIRA were Protestant), fought a war of attrition against the British army and other elements of the state. Meanwhile the loyalist / unionist community (Protestant and consider themselves Brits), tried to apply pressure on the ira to end the campaign by killing Catholic civilians (though they didn’t do much scouting of targets, so they killed alot from their own communities. The PIRA didn’t respond to this much, as they didn’t want to be pulled into a sectarian conflict, but there were events like Kingsmill were they intentionally set out to kill Protestant civilians in order to answer loyalist killings. There was sectarianism, but it really was on community divide that had been part of the state from the beginning ( ‘ A Protestant State for Protestant people’ ), but efforts to paint it as a religious war were propaganda on the British part to confuse the British public into believing it was Catholic vs Protestant, and paint themselves as being in the middle holding the peace. (we here knew what the conflict was about, so that propaganda wasn’t about in Ireland of course, but so many people elsewhere think it was a religious war, and that shows how effective the propaganda was)
@@jeanhenderson1277 Well that definitely happened for sure, though you’d have to say lots of people - if not the majority - joined up because they really felt they had to do something. The provo’s committed unforgivable things, but I would always say that the armed struggle came about, and continued to gain volunteers due to very legitimate reasons. I had a lot of republicans in my family, and some really do carry the shame and guilt of the things that they themselves were involved in, but their political beliefs were already there before they joined, and remain with them now. That’s always been the case in nationalist communities across N.Ireland. The only argument was over the methods used, but almost everyone was united in their feelings towards the overall cause. I can’t speak for the loyalist side, but I do very much get the impression that those organisations were built on a mix of hatred and bigotry towards the Irish community, as well as legitimate fears (though killing random civilians was just a totally pointless and disgusting method of getting involved). It continues to this day, and the biggest gangs controlling places like the Shankill came out of the UDA & UVF. In many ways the sectarianism is worse now…….and that’s a massive shame, as I personally have many friends from that community, and think things are about as they should be now. Sadly many seem to want to drag us back to the old days, and that’s a huge shame.
I have no sympathy for him wat so ever the only thing I see is a tout nothing more or less many others escape punishment an that in my opinion was a shame for there were many who deserved net to be alive today no excuse
For good reason as well, after all it was their informers and agents that ultimately defeated them and strengthened McGuinness and Adam's strategy. Hence the true militants were ambushed and slotted.
@@weegie558 the high profile touts ostrisized by their handlers, discarded when they outlived their use...and when they promised the good life mi5 tried to set them up for getting whacked....not only castaways in own country and family bit also with the very people promised to take care of them.......must be a obliteration of their self esteem and paranoia for life
It's absolute savagery those car bombs . You often wonder about SS men & women carrying out atrocities, well look no further than the island of Ireland to find them.
@@ronan8834 if it wasnt for Britain there would have been a bloody civil war in the North and tens of thousands killed. Yes the Brits committed atrocities, ie bloody Sunday etc. But the terrorists on both sides were studded with religious fanatics and sociopaths who enjoyed killing.
The way he just describes his actions and the actions of of the other side as some one brought up in the UK it astounds me. The war was dirty and hopefully its the end of senseless murder
He was a product of the times..a terrible time in our recent history and still bitterness and bigoted fuckers around...as Mandela said people aren't born to hate they have to learn it
Keep the comments respectful especially of those that were murdered in this bloody conflict - I will not tolerate mocking of the dead who cannot defend themselves. I will ban any and all accounts spewing filth.
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His book is very good read
I used to holiday in the part of the world he came from.
@@williammohan9784 sunbathing by Newry canal? Not much of a holiday lol
@@jackietreehorn5561 nice one. No my family on my fathers side own travelling fairgrounds, and they have their winter quarters in Bollymoyer Whitecross. So when i was a wee boy my parents would bring me down to visit. It was lovely down there, quite the bucolic idyll. But i agree it is not that great now. Now its Soprano land
again a brilliant documentary, keep them coming
His book 'Killing Rage' is a fantastic read. One of the best of the troubles.
Great read.
Think the book itself signed his own death warrant...but definitely a great read.... great detail about how young men with bright futures got involved due to the experience they went through....same goes with Iraq, Afghanistan etc....violence militarily against the local population snowballs and escalates into a vicious cycle for years and generations
@@jackietreehorn5561The book was very very good and i think you recommended it to me.
Made me very sympathetic to Eamon and his poor family,
@@ATLmodK he had a gruesome end few years after the book I remember, stabbed 30 odd times in the face.....bad way to go
@@jackietreehorn5561 yes, I can’t remember where i saw that, but i did know about it. I always thought that there should have been a special dispensation for people like Eamon. I think his death was so unnecessary. Times I think he should have brought his family to the South, even though the peace accord had gone through, the graffiti on his house was a clue he should take them all down south again. Still it was a stupid unnecessary action
I hate the expression often applied to people during the troubles as having 'lost their lives'.
They didn't.
They were killed, and depending on your perspective, they were murdered.
Glad to see this channel is doing so well recently.
Keep up the good work ATL!
It was a horrible the times we lived in
He moved back to Newry and on several occasions there were slogans wrote on the walls saying ' Eamon Collins informer ' he painted over them a couple of times. One morning in 1999 he left his house early to bring his dog for a walk and never returned. His body was found in a nearby field with multiple stab wounds to the chest , arms , neck , hands and face. In one statement from a news paper it said ' There was particular hatred in this killing and his wounds to his face made him barely recognisable '. I guess he should have stayed in the South of Eíre...!!
He was in Dublin, not the "South of Eire". More like the 'east of Eire'.
True and very tragic
@@Leeside999 He lived in South East Dublin and the Northside with Peter McVerry for a while , helping with troubled teens !!
Remember that his family home was burnt out and graffiti saying how ya like the house warming....good book but he must have had a death wish living back there
@@jackietreehorn5561Aye , Because of the Good Friday Agreement he obviously thought it was safe to move back...!!
It´s so weird that people from the Ira killed Eamonn but let Scappaticci live. I guess Scap knew too many secrets
Brendan Hughes said it right when he said Belfast was 'riddled', and that he trusted nobody.
@@chulainn32 he tortured people tho who were innocent to protect his own cover and license to kill.....
@@chulainn32 true
@@chulainn32 from reading about scap seemed like a pure physcopath and Napoleon syndrome
If the Provos took out Scap the Brits would have unleashed all kinds of dirt against them. It suited everyone, the Provos most of all, to let sleeping dogs lie.
At the time of Collins's horrific murder Gerry Adams was reported as describing it merely as 'regrettable'. This was after the 1998 GFA, so much for forgive and forget / moving on etc.
what do you think he should have said ?
In the end, he just looked haunted by the murders he committed, there are no winners , just victims all round.
Yeah, his book also comes across that way. I think ultimately, what made him such a good intelligence officer for the IRA was also his downfall.
He come across as extremely intense. His book is very interesting and probably the best I’ve read on this subject.
McGartland is worth looking into.
He of the 50 dead men walking.
He did an extened 2 episode podcast recently that shows you exactly how badly he and other touts were treated by the brits.
Always better to do the time as far as I can see, no matter what games are afoot.
Great documentary. Any chance the timer could be removed
No chum , thats the way it came.
The man would lead you to believe he was the end all of the boys in that area.....after he got locked up even more operations occurred with a better kill rate also his South Down Command seemed to barely extend out of Newry....nothing about the IRA in the Castlewellan or Downpatrick areas.
As a Irish man who look back and see only now that there was no winners but back then the country was angry with how the British government and army were hurting us for being Irish sad times
They've no right to occupy part of our country in the first place
Famous last words I seen the writing on the wall.
Once again the British army drove a man to picking up arms how can you call them terrorists
Thought out the1970’s/80’s they would get back to England and boast about how they would harm the Irish. While the UDA supporters would abuse Catholic children and drum into the heads of young children in schools lies about Catholic’s. From name calling to hammer attacks. I’d not know the provo units then but provo prisoners would be Irish or Scottish decent. And now we can look at who died or was arrested in England they all had Irish or Scottish family names. There was a lot of grassing in England by the 90’s that’s why the bombings were low in England at the time. but most government and anyone was an easy target. Be seen near an army base and you’d be on the local radio to keep an eye open or if you parked up and sat in your car the armed police would be racing around after you, be seen walking across a field you’d have armed police shouting the warning they were armed. It was madness and one of the units couldn’t live for very long in one house as the police would ask people in the street to inform them of movements.
well if you put bombs under a mans car when he is taking his kids to school and it kills him and his 11 year old daughter. If you shoot a young girl dead who is coming home with her boyfriend and both innocent civilians. If you plant a bomb at a Remembrance Day parade and kill and main people, then its obvious you are a terrorist. Both sides, IRA and UDA liked to call themselves soldiers. But they were to soldiering as to what Sam Smith is to body building
What?
Easily
I didn't realise his free will was taken away. He made a choice to pick up the gun
Was he that ruthless in the end never knew about him only finding out what he was about
I never knew that he was killed what did he go back to his house
once he cost slab money, he was done..
Cowardly acts against vulnerable unarmed targets
What's your views on hamas and the Zionest's any hero's there, I seem to remember that the British were armed to the teeth when they were pushing each other over when the Germans chased them into the sea at DUNKIRK.. bulldog spirit.,.or bullshit soldiers, left all Thier weapons behind. Germans were outnumbered. Thank god for the French resistance. You welcomed those small boats ....... Revisionist shut they cake hole.
Remember stay 100 meters from schools and we don't want any more of that bullshit " sorry I didn't know he was a vunerable adult"
The brits wern't slow doing the same,along with their proxy's in the UDR/UVF/M.I5/6 UDA and the RUC. Cry me a river..
You call engaging British military and loyalist paramility police force unarmed targets . Okay lol
Civilians and off duty personnel?. @@liamg1706
Seems like the same old way get the young while they’re young and angry fill their heads with ideology and power they’ll have , it seemed to happen both religions
What’s religion got to do with it all? It wasn’t a war over religion…
Republican / nationalist community (who were on the whole Irish Catholic, though many PIRA were Protestant), fought a war of attrition against the British army and other elements of the state.
Meanwhile the loyalist / unionist community (Protestant and consider themselves Brits), tried to apply pressure on the ira to end the campaign by killing Catholic civilians (though they didn’t do much scouting of targets, so they killed alot from their own communities.
The PIRA didn’t respond to this much, as they didn’t want to be pulled into a sectarian conflict, but there were events like Kingsmill were they intentionally set out to kill Protestant civilians in order to answer loyalist killings.
There was sectarianism, but it really was on community divide that had been part of the state from the beginning ( ‘ A Protestant State for Protestant people’ ), but efforts to paint it as a religious war were propaganda on the British part to confuse the British public into believing it was Catholic vs Protestant, and paint themselves as being in the middle holding the peace.
(we here knew what the conflict was about, so that propaganda wasn’t about in Ireland of course, but so many people elsewhere think it was a religious war, and that shows how effective the propaganda was)
@ I’m not talking about religion I’m talking about how many young troubled kids get drawn into some groups
@@jeanhenderson1277 Well that definitely happened for sure, though you’d have to say lots of people - if not the majority - joined up because they really felt they had to do something.
The provo’s committed unforgivable things, but I would always say that the armed struggle came about, and continued to gain volunteers due to very legitimate reasons.
I had a lot of republicans in my family, and some really do carry the shame and guilt of the things that they themselves were involved in, but their political beliefs were already there before they joined, and remain with them now. That’s always been the case in nationalist communities across N.Ireland. The only argument was over the methods used, but almost everyone was united in their feelings towards the overall cause.
I can’t speak for the loyalist side, but I do very much get the impression that those organisations were built on a mix of hatred and bigotry towards the Irish community, as well as legitimate fears (though killing random civilians was just a totally pointless and disgusting method of getting involved).
It continues to this day, and the biggest gangs controlling places like the Shankill came out of the UDA & UVF. In many ways the sectarianism is worse now…….and that’s a massive shame, as I personally have many friends from that community, and think things are about as they should be now.
Sadly many seem to want to drag us back to the old days, and that’s a huge shame.
I have no sympathy for him wat so ever the only thing I see is a tout nothing more or less many others escape punishment an that in my opinion was a shame for there were many who deserved net to be alive today no excuse
He was warned
O Danny boy the pipes are calling who knows
Unfortunately if you inform on The IRA you know what happens to you!
For good reason as well, after all it was their informers and agents that ultimately defeated them and strengthened McGuinness and Adam's strategy. Hence the true militants were ambushed and slotted.
@@weegie558 the high profile touts ostrisized by their handlers, discarded when they outlived their use...and when they promised the good life mi5 tried to set them up for getting whacked....not only castaways in own country and family bit also with the very people promised to take care of them.......must be a obliteration of their self esteem and paranoia for life
Ego maniac
Zero sympathy
It's absolute savagery those car bombs . You often wonder about SS men & women carrying out atrocities, well look no further than the island of Ireland to find them.
Yes but you can't ignore the atrocities committed by England you wouldn't understand cause you live in the modern day
@@ronan8834 if it wasnt for Britain there would have been a bloody civil war in the North and tens of thousands killed. Yes the Brits committed atrocities, ie bloody Sunday etc. But the terrorists on both sides were studded with religious fanatics and sociopaths who enjoyed killing.
You didn't just say that did you
Comparing the schtuzstaffel to Ireland and republicans is pure loonacy.....
The way he just describes his actions and the actions of of the other side as some one brought up in the UK it astounds me.
The war was dirty and hopefully its the end of senseless murder
He was a product of the times..a terrible time in our recent history and still bitterness and bigoted fuckers around...as Mandela said people aren't born to hate they have to learn it