I mean to be fair it was just a game engine demo, no actual game attached so it's actually more like 10 years for realm reborn. But even then as a day one player of the OG FF14 no one should ever be forced to look at the original let alone its demo.
I love how Marc basically only shows up for FFXIV videos. I wish he showed up for more. He's like Richard's long-lost American brother who makes videos in John's style.
The MS profanity filter is a joke. It got on my nerve immediately as I started playing AoE4 as a word "French" get's censored when you play with a friend against French and you want to tell him to attack the French.... like how the hell am I even supposed to coordinate in online game when important words get censored?
Tango is not... *wasn't* a publisher. I really like the evil within but to be fair it wasn't even a very established studio. You can't say it's a sweeping generalization of the entire Japanese gaming industry.
Great coverage!! My god those 10/20 seconds series S mid dungeons loading lol, those are enough for a party to kill enemies or get bosses to 50%/60% with their rotation opener before the series s user reach the party.
Great video, only played a few hours of the beta on Series X and personally didn't have performance issues outside zone transition frame drop. Legitimately curious about the profanity filter issue. Personally played a good number of MMOs on Xbox Black Desert Online, Tera, Warframe and never noticed/encountered this problem before. Don't understand what the issue is regarding FFXIV because I'm pretty sure every other MMO on Xbox isn't contending with it.
I started playing this game on PS3 in 2013. Now I've played it on every other platform: PS4, PS5, PC, and Xbox Series. It's been quite a journey! I'm sure I must have pissed off lots of players when I started. Not only was I on PS3, which struggled to keep up with animations in real time, but it was my first time playing an MMO, so I didn't know what the hell I was doing. And on top of that, I was playing on mediocre wi-fi. 😅
the dynamic resolution scaling is a poor mans implementation of what other games have been using for years, but I did find a use for it. My 1060 based laptop when in battery mode really looses a lot of its power and ff14 is very hard to drive at even 30fps. However turning drs on and letting it drop several internal resolutions allows me to get a smooth framerate and still have enough resolution to enjoy playing. It would have been much nicer if there was a manual slider.
I need to check out your channel, Marc. I really like the way you present. DF can be a little clinical and that's completely fine for their content, but you're a bit more energetic and engaging and it's fun. I'm sure it helps a lot that you're talking about a game you're passionate about. :) Great video!
I play this game on PC, but its interesting to have an idea about how it plays for console players, it's a great video, hope we'll see more ff14 when 7.0 comes out. :)
I spent an insane amount of time in FFXI on PC...hundreds of days of playtime, so said the game. Edit: While playing I had no idea the PS5 version of FFXIV dropped that many fps at 4k, VRR is amazing to me!
Thank you for covering this. I bought a PS5 early just for better XIV but I'm still using the PS4 back compat because of these issues. I'll have to try the native PS5 version now.
Very nice video and thanks for showing the goods and the bads - we all should be beneficted. But I wish to point a very great issue at the PS5 version: when you connect the console to a 1080p screen (a very common case worldwide), the resolution toogles do nothing. The game will always run at 1080p regardless. Since FXAA is so bad, it would be great to have a supersampling option. Thanks.
Thinking about it, for a particularly intensive stress test you could leave effects on and join an Aether datacentre hunt train on-content. That'll be a lot less static. That'd be hundreds of players actually fighting a thing.
Definitely been enjoying the hell out of FF14 since it dropped on Xbox and just barely got to the first expansion the other week. Performance wise, it has been a touch iffy at times (had two crashes happen, but that’s like for literal hundreds of hours played), but there also was the other weird tidbit of “please restart your Xbox” error too. It was a bit of a rough launch (and could be rougher when the newest expansion drops soon), but overall it has been a delight to play the game and feel a touch bad to know how much I’ve been missing out. That and how I likely won’t be touching the latest expansion for probably a good couple of months (which is fine since I can take my time with what’s come before that).
How is your pos Xbox crashing on this game lmao I've been playing for 10 years and cannot even remember a single crash from PS3/4/5 or PC. Actually lmao
@@qwerty-dm8gr it’s weird certainly. Not sure why but it happened when I was typing and when it got sent, the game crashed. Once at the end of a dungeon when I was sending a gg (was able to get back into it fast enough thankfully) while the other was searching for an item on the market. Works great otherwise outside of what was said in the video between the longer dungeon load times and the ?? ?? Parts
@@somethingdifferent9024 don’t know why console warring people get so uncomfortable about games being available on more platforms. Can’t have a simple conversation without resorting to insults or trying to laugh off their own attempts at humor.
Okay, let's get the Xbox Chat Filter problem out the way first; It's Unacceptable. I've seen people trending with screenshot proof that they've been BANNED from Xbox because of mentioning the phrase 'Free Company' in messages, which is the name given to the guilds system in-game. In addition, the filter works on ALL chat text, including NPCs in events and in-game dialogue. This is frankly embarrassing on Xbox's part and the filter frankly needs to be removed instead of redressed. Yeah, that XBSS wait time in content is not good. 20 seconds for a revive from some party members can make or break a moment in those later fights; If you're a caster DPS capable of reviving your healer, your party's likely wiped by the time your healer regains control. CBU3 will likely be looking at this for Dawntrail.
As someone who's been playing on PS5 for almost 3 years, I'm baffled by the Series S loading screens but, even more so by the Xbox-wide profanity filter. The examples shown in this video are outright hilarious
It took so long cause of MS bullshit surrounding online pay. MS wanted everythi g through threir store services. So it took MS this long to allow SE to have their subscription model.
6:44 so you’re telling me when a developer “optimizes” their game it can hit a stable frame rate? Gaaaasssppp😱 Also great video! I haven’t gone back to XIV in a while, might check out Xbox series X version. Also because my ps5 2tb ssd is filled up.
It's sort of like saying if a person "gets an education and works hard" they can have a lucrative career. I mean, sure, but making it sound trivial is misleading.
What about people who don’t like going above 1080 you’re gonna skip out on those people like me who want to play the game but aren’t interested in 1440 P or 4K
Their profanity system just can't filter out the word "meth" in isolation alone; it has to be filtered from words that just happen to have the letters "m, e, t, h" in continuous order? How ri???ulous.
Just a tip for future players: once you’ve seen all the special effects each job does, there is nothing wrong with turning off OTHER player effects to make it easier to keep up with mechanics.
Yes, there is. If you set them "Off" you will not see some of things that healers do like healing bubble. To see those you have to set them to "Limited".
I have not played a Final Fantasy game. I do not want to play a Final Fantasy game. I have never wanted to play a Final Fantasy game. I watched this whole video
The biggest upgrade for Dawntrail for me is finally getting decent AA. I've been playing at 4K on my 1440p monitor for a while because of how bad it currently is.
Does anyone know if there's a way to minimise the amount of HUD/info on screen when in combat? I'd love to give this game a go but all that information being bombarded on screen just turns me off big time.
Should have also tested out the Hunt Trains, as that seems to be the most common way to cap tomes outside of the raids and dailies. And also would be nice to test out both "All effects on" for benchmark and "Player All, Party Limited, Group None" (actually playable).
Just watched the first comparison and now this one, fascinating stuff! I tried FFXIV yeeeears ago on PC, but I just didn't have the time to really dive in. But since it seems to be a bit more pick-up-and-play friendly these days, maybe I should give it another go on my Steam Deck.
The Xbox Core Minimum Subscription requirement on top of FFXIV's Subscription with the weird chatbox profanity filter on top of weird text quality issue even tho I mirrored my settings from Ps5 UI has made me stay away from Xbox. I even upgraded to Series X from S in possible anticipation for Dawntrail. Overall one big fumble but it is finally available on Xbox.. let's hope 1440p survives for Dawntrail.
I'm sorry...19 YEARS since the demo reveal!?
The DS and PSP turn 20 this winter.
I forgive you 😭
@@Chelaxim I am dust
Consoles are for old men at this point.
I mean to be fair it was just a game engine demo, no actual game attached so it's actually more like 10 years for realm reborn. But even then as a day one player of the OG FF14 no one should ever be forced to look at the original let alone its demo.
It's good that Richard found his long lost American brother.
Nail d😂
He even went to the red light disctrict of FF14 to capture footage. Brave man!
I was about to say the exact same thing. That place is INSANE
I love how Marc basically only shows up for FFXIV videos.
I wish he showed up for more. He's like Richard's long-lost American brother who makes videos in John's style.
He shows up on some other FF stuff. I believe he showed up for somerset FF13 talks? Maybe I'm thinking of his UA-cam channel haha.
@@Gravy1255 Nah you're right, he was in the videos about FFXIII and its sequels
The way he talks sometimes reminds me a lot of Ross from Accursed Farms
At least we will get him for 7.0, he is great though so I wish we would get more xD.
God. I’m constantly reminded how good the music is.
every track memorable!
This dude OPENS with the first area theme from the end of Endwalker and I start remembering shit.
Never played the game. But have listened to the soundtrack countless times.
The MS profanity filter is a joke. It got on my nerve immediately as I started playing AoE4 as a word "French" get's censored when you play with a friend against French and you want to tell him to attack the French.... like how the hell am I even supposed to coordinate in online game when important words get censored?
It’s okay because they’ll just surrender dude
@@GrippeeTV😂
@@chriswhetton3584 I couldn’t help myself
@@GrippeeTV Right after they wreck you with their cavalry lol.
@@arahman56 *in Monty python accent* “we have come, we have conquered, we surrender. FO FRAAUUNCE!”
God I'm so glad you just let Try4ce just go as hard as possible on this video.
"Japanese publisher’s relationship with Microsoft’s console business."
This didn't aged well. RIP Tango
😭😭😭😭
I'm not sure the phrase "this didn't age well" works for a video that is less than an hour old
Tango is not... *wasn't* a publisher. I really like the evil within but to be fair it wasn't even a very established studio. You can't say it's a sweeping generalization of the entire Japanese gaming industry.
10 mins after the vid released 💀
@@ThatOneGuyDudeThingy This is a long video so it's script is very likely from quite before the tango closure news.
Thanks for covering XIV Marc!
Will be waiting for your Dawntrail performance analysis before upgrading my GPU
Hey Marc is here. Pure awesome.
Great coverage!! My god those 10/20 seconds series S mid dungeons loading lol, those are enough for a party to kill enemies or get bosses to 50%/60% with their rotation opener before the series s user reach the party.
lmao the balmung quicksands frame rate test 🤣
I mean honestly there’s no better way to do it hahah
I wasn't expecting a My Life in Gaming collab.
They’ve collabed before when talking about the difference between full and limited RGB
highly recommend the Digital Foundry Sonic '06 playthrough with John Linneman and Marc from My Life in Gaming. Hardest I've laughed in a good while.
These Subtitles Make This So Easy To Watch DF Crew Keep It Up
Excellent choices of soundtrack clips
One of us, ONE OF US!
Crushed it with this one Marc. Never played FFIV but your coverage & attention to detail always has me tuning in.
Been waiting for this follow-up video for the longest time. Thanks, DF Team! Great work as always.
Hey its Try4ce!!!
Always love when Marc is featured.
Me: “Am I on a wrong channel? I’m not lookin for SCART vs Component cable video”
I actually do play at 1080p on PS5 because I have a 1080p TV and the game won't downsample and won't give me the option for 1440p or 2160p
I play on PS5 at 4k and I have a 1080p TV. A pretty cheap one at that. That's weird.
Great video, only played a few hours of the beta on Series X and personally didn't have performance issues outside zone transition frame drop.
Legitimately curious about the profanity filter issue. Personally played a good number of MMOs on Xbox Black Desert Online, Tera, Warframe and never noticed/encountered this problem before.
Don't understand what the issue is regarding FFXIV because I'm pretty sure every other MMO on Xbox isn't contending with it.
I started playing this game on PS3 in 2013. Now I've played it on every other platform: PS4, PS5, PC, and Xbox Series. It's been quite a journey!
I'm sure I must have pissed off lots of players when I started. Not only was I on PS3, which struggled to keep up with animations in real time, but it was my first time playing an MMO, so I didn't know what the hell I was doing. And on top of that, I was playing on mediocre wi-fi. 😅
Great video, kudos.
This man actually benchmarked Balmung
Killin it Marc excellent coverage broski
the dynamic resolution scaling is a poor mans implementation of what other games have been using for years, but I did find a use for it. My 1060 based laptop when in battery mode really looses a lot of its power and ff14 is very hard to drive at even 30fps. However turning drs on and letting it drop several internal resolutions allows me to get a smooth framerate and still have enough resolution to enjoy playing. It would have been much nicer if there was a manual slider.
On XBOX I use 4k with dynamic resolution and outside of limsa lominsa it seems really smooth.
I need to check out your channel, Marc. I really like the way you present. DF can be a little clinical and that's completely fine for their content, but you're a bit more energetic and engaging and it's fun. I'm sure it helps a lot that you're talking about a game you're passionate about. :) Great video!
I just realized "something" gets a profinity filter into "so????ing" because of meth.
Might need to resub!
He said the marketing spill!!!!
Nice to see Try4ce on the channel!
I play this game on PC, but its interesting to have an idea about how it plays for console players, it's a great video, hope we'll see more ff14 when 7.0 comes out. :)
This is such a John style vid I love it. Absolutely amazing work
John still makes videos?
@@soleswag8177stellar blade video.
I spent an insane amount of time in FFXI on PC...hundreds of days of playtime, so said the game.
Edit: While playing I had no idea the PS5 version of FFXIV dropped that many fps at 4k, VRR is amazing to me!
ps5 is the champ of frame drops this gen, some games on Series S run better.
Amazing review, great job!
Fantastic breakdown Marc!
Thank you for covering this. I bought a PS5 early just for better XIV but I'm still using the PS4 back compat because of these issues. I'll have to try the native PS5 version now.
Thanks for this! Good work!!
Very nice video and thanks for showing the goods and the bads - we all should be beneficted. But I wish to point a very great issue at the PS5 version: when you connect the console to a 1080p screen (a very common case worldwide), the resolution toogles do nothing. The game will always run at 1080p regardless. Since FXAA is so bad, it would be great to have a supersampling option. Thanks.
[Try4ce] Wow that's really weird! Yeah super sampling would be amazing in that use case, if it worked.
Great vid ff14 fans unite😊
Wow! Looking forward to a 7.0 review as well as i’m also not sure what platform i’ll use
Did not expect this. Thank you digital foundry, great video as always!
Thinking about it, for a particularly intensive stress test you could leave effects on and join an Aether datacentre hunt train on-content. That'll be a lot less static. That'd be hundreds of players actually fighting a thing.
YESSSS GIVE THIS GUY A RAISE 👏
Definitely been enjoying the hell out of FF14 since it dropped on Xbox and just barely got to the first expansion the other week.
Performance wise, it has been a touch iffy at times (had two crashes happen, but that’s like for literal hundreds of hours played), but there also was the other weird tidbit of “please restart your Xbox” error too.
It was a bit of a rough launch (and could be rougher when the newest expansion drops soon), but overall it has been a delight to play the game and feel a touch bad to know how much I’ve been missing out. That and how I likely won’t be touching the latest expansion for probably a good couple of months (which is fine since I can take my time with what’s come before that).
How is your pos Xbox crashing on this game lmao I've been playing for 10 years and cannot even remember a single crash from PS3/4/5 or PC. Actually lmao
@@qwerty-dm8gr it’s weird certainly. Not sure why but it happened when I was typing and when it got sent, the game crashed. Once at the end of a dungeon when I was sending a gg (was able to get back into it fast enough thankfully) while the other was searching for an item on the market. Works great otherwise outside of what was said in the video between the longer dungeon load times and the ?? ?? Parts
@@qwerty-dm8gr Cool story bro
@@somethingdifferent9024 don’t know why console warring people get so uncomfortable about games being available on more platforms. Can’t have a simple conversation without resorting to insults or trying to laugh off their own attempts at humor.
Okay, let's get the Xbox Chat Filter problem out the way first; It's Unacceptable. I've seen people trending with screenshot proof that they've been BANNED from Xbox because of mentioning the phrase 'Free Company' in messages, which is the name given to the guilds system in-game. In addition, the filter works on ALL chat text, including NPCs in events and in-game dialogue.
This is frankly embarrassing on Xbox's part and the filter frankly needs to be removed instead of redressed.
Yeah, that XBSS wait time in content is not good. 20 seconds for a revive from some party members can make or break a moment in those later fights; If you're a caster DPS capable of reviving your healer, your party's likely wiped by the time your healer regains control. CBU3 will likely be looking at this for Dawntrail.
Except bans I've heard about were for players who used Xbox's party finder feature for recruitment messages.
Oh hi, Marc
An excellent video. Made me almost go sign up for FF online!
as a pc player this was interesting to watch, the ps5 actually isnt as powerful as i thought it was, what skillful devs pull off is really something
Marc is fantastic.
Digital Foundry covering my favourite MMO? INSTANT CLICK!!!!
Xbox censorship in game text is mind blowing and I dont understand how people who play this game are not rioting about this
Instant like for ps4 and ps4 pro comparisons! Core DF team seem to be skipping on those lately
Great video.
As someone who's been playing on PS5 for almost 3 years, I'm baffled by the Series S loading screens but, even more so by the Xbox-wide profanity filter. The examples shown in this video are outright hilarious
Shitbox never fails to be garbage
FFXI is technically still running and I want a modern console port.
It's always great to see MLiG x DF, and Try coming back for "sequels" to his first FFXIV video is fantastic!
I love the official Balmung test! This is VERY important XD
Thanks brilliant video
Marc is back!!!!!!!! We need him to be permanent lol
Great video
Try4ce!!!
Would have love to see him do a hunt train or S rank to see how it performs under worse case combat situations.
Wonderful great work
It took so long cause of MS bullshit surrounding online pay. MS wanted everythi g through threir store services. So it took MS this long to allow SE to have their subscription model.
Idk if the world has been good enough to deserve this lately but I needed it. So thanks
Gotta go grab my snacks for this video. Ty!
6:44 so you’re telling me when a developer “optimizes” their game it can hit a stable frame rate? Gaaaasssppp😱
Also great video! I haven’t gone back to XIV in a while, might check out Xbox series X version. Also because my ps5 2tb ssd is filled up.
It's sort of like saying if a person "gets an education and works hard" they can have a lucrative career.
I mean, sure, but making it sound trivial is misleading.
What about people who don’t like going above 1080 you’re gonna skip out on those people like me who want to play the game but aren’t interested in 1440 P or 4K
Wow the loading difference
Their profanity system just can't filter out the word "meth" in isolation alone; it has to be filtered from words that just happen to have the letters "m, e, t, h" in continuous order? How ri???ulous.
lol ty for the daily laugh xD
Sounds more like your message filter setting problem. Has nothing to do with game.
Just a tip for future players: once you’ve seen all the special effects each job does, there is nothing wrong with turning off OTHER player effects to make it easier to keep up with mechanics.
Yes, there is. If you set them "Off" you will not see some of things that healers do like healing bubble. To see those you have to set them to "Limited".
I have not played a Final Fantasy game. I do not want to play a Final Fantasy game. I have never wanted to play a Final Fantasy game. I watched this whole video
The biggest upgrade for Dawntrail for me is finally getting decent AA. I've been playing at 4K on my 1440p monitor for a while because of how bad it currently is.
Great ?????????? Deep ?????? Dive! Thanks ???????!
Does anyone know if there's a way to minimise the amount of HUD/info on screen when in combat? I'd love to give this game a go but all that information being bombarded on screen just turns me off big time.
The HUD is actually highly customisable. Try searching for vids on UA-cam. You can go really minimalist
Yep the HUD is very customisable, you could play HUDless if you wanted to and things like flying text and damage numbers can be turned off.
@ArchieBlacke awesome thank you for the quick reply. Really good to know.
Best in game customizable HUD of all time.
Well done Mr Dudleson
Should have also tested out the Hunt Trains, as that seems to be the most common way to cap tomes outside of the raids and dailies. And also would be nice to test out both "All effects on" for benchmark and "Player All, Party Limited, Group None" (actually playable).
Actually better draw distance in series X AT 17:13 noticeable on structure
Series X seems to always have more stable frame rates and better draw distance vs the very unstable frame rates of the ps5
so that is why some new player don't talk in chat very often, they can't even read the chat properly!
on series S, how low does resolution drops with 1440p + DRS on?
35:22 it's kinda hilarious to see what the system thinks it needs to censor.
Instance hangups are a serious issue. Every dungeon transition and resurrection takes forever.
THEY ADDED 30FPS CAPS TO CONSOLES!!!
I thought I was on a different channel for a sec :)
I'd love to see Bozja or Eureka performance during peak hours. That's when I had to turn down my effect settings because of all the lights.
[Try4ce] I went into Bozja, but it's pretty dead nowadays it seems, at least on my server.
The game is looking more like Dead Rising with that many players standing around @ 21:30 🤣
the bnuuy approves of this video
FFXIV 🥰
I appreciate keeping the meme going on.
I wished when an expension is bought, one month subscription should have come free for the players who want to experience only the story..
Geez Marc, are they making you work overtime? You give us a wonderful 40 minute video... just two months before we get the graphical update.
[Try4ce] I intended for this to be very short, but there are a lot of scenarios and modes to test and I couldn't help myself...
@@mylifeingaming Thank you for all your hard work!
Just watched the first comparison and now this one, fascinating stuff! I tried FFXIV yeeeears ago on PC, but I just didn't have the time to really dive in. But since it seems to be a bit more pick-up-and-play friendly these days, maybe I should give it another go on my Steam Deck.
Hell yeah! Lets get some more Console Ultimate clearers!
Didn't expect the meme :D
Also, nice Lala with nice hat.
i wonder how the graphics update is gonna affect the resolution and framerate in 2 months on consoles. instead of 1440p 60 drop down to 1080p 60?
The Xbox Core Minimum Subscription requirement on top of FFXIV's Subscription with the weird chatbox profanity filter on top of weird text quality issue even tho I mirrored my settings from Ps5 UI has made me stay away from Xbox. I even upgraded to Series X from S in possible anticipation for Dawntrail. Overall one big fumble but it is finally available on Xbox.. let's hope 1440p survives for Dawntrail.