This Could Have Cost Me $600,000
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2024
- The Unity game engine is updating its pricing for next year and it's a bit of a big thing for developers.
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Weirdly I think Unity investors are able to see that this is just a bad move. There isn't profit to make when you drive all your consumers away for greener pastures.
The CEO and other shareholders were selling off shares just before they made this announcement. They're blatantly trying to kill the company for profit.
The Unity stock has already plummeted drastically since they've announced this.
@@mr_noname And the CEO sold 2000 stocks just a few days before the announcement which smells like Insider Trading to me
@@mr_noname President or some CEO of Unity apperently sold most of his shares 1 week before the annoucment so they knew it was going to be a bad move.
@@xeon2757no he sold 1000 of his million shares
You know, there is a surprisingly long history of public companies making the worst possible moves they could do to ruin their reputation and brand...
well unity CEO is ex EA CEO ( i think people said he almost sink EA too) and he was selling his share of Unity ( never buy them) sold a bunch of them the week before the annoucement of change.
@@kaollachan sounds like insider trading to me
@@1kili2CEO is a scumbag, but the selling of his shares is coincidental. It was like 2000 out of his 3000000 give or take. CEOs are actually highly regulated on their stock trades because of insider trading so they have to schedule and get permission months in advance. CEOs are mostly compensated with shares, so it's pretty common practice to periodically sell a portion of your stocks as a side salary/allowance kind of thing. Converting your shares into actual money, otherwise your shares are practically quite useless. I believe his habit was doing this roughly every month for similar selling amounts, this wasn't even his largest selling off.
It's the greed
@@himan12345678 coincidental?? no no he sold his shares a day before the announcement and any announcement this big will be planned, discussed with higher ups of the company(since ofc there will be always more than one greedy person in a company that want his piece of the pie) many days if not months before hand. so tell me if someone inside the company with his possible knowledge where the company is about to announce something absolutely bullshit that will 100% affect their stocks and greedy af would not save his own skin before this company completely sinks down to the ground?
Game Dev here! They also haven't clarified how they actually are going to measure it. They said, "We have a special AI to do it. Trust us." And that's sus AF
But that IS how they're going to measure it. By NOT measuring it, but ESTIMATING it instead.
"Trust me bro"
Don't worry just trust us bro. Everything will be okay 😉.
You forgot the part where, if someone buys a new device (ie. phone), that's a new install. Some people buy new phones every year, some people break their phones a lot, some people just have more than one phone or tablet they will install the app on. The only way developers can continue to use Unity under this system is if they charge you every time you install on a new device, and that would hurt everyone involved.
Not to mention that some people will have games installed on multiple devices like say, both a pc and a steam deck.
And even worse, with how things are currently worded its not just the first time installs. People could be deleting something due to space, only to reinstall it later. And this isnt even factoring in potential abuse of this system with users intentionally doing this over and over to hurt a developer (though im hoping this scenario wont happen, lets be real here. Some people can be morally bankrupt enough to do that sort of shit)
Plus, if they somehow get away with this, who knows how the industry at large will react to it.
For all we know this could just become another one of these gross business practices that becomes a standard
@@nettalie4435 They say that multiple installs on the same device won't count (although originally they did plan for it to), but they are very vague with how they would detect this, and I'm nigh on certain that even if they could somehow prevent a user from hiding the fact they'd downloaded the game before on that computer, there's absolutely no way they could detect it getting installed on a virtual machine which is then reset over and over again, especially if you use a VPN. Additionally, even if we didn't need to worry about people install bombing for purely malicious reasons, they do actually have incentive to do it, as they could black mail the devs (send me $1k or I'll install your game 1 million times), and Unity themselves could just install bomb your game forcing you to pay them
Plus people are already planning to abuse this system to bot installs and with enough volume, they could literally bankrupt a studio with a click of a button.
@@nikkiofthevalleyI don't think there was ever any indication people were actively planning to do that (especially because that isn't the sort of thing you'd announce), but multiple people raised concerns about that being a possibility. And it's very much is the sort of thing where even the mere fact it's possible is a problem.
out of all the developer youtubers ive watched cover this topic, captainsparklez was the last person i expected to make a video about this. let alone, being the best video about this topic I've seen.
Really? I haven’t followed the issue too closely, but what makes the Cap’s take different?
@@bobcake8904 I like how in depth he gets, talks about the revenue of unity and the stock prices, and overall talks about the ramifications of this change rather than most other videos which talk mainly about the reactions to the change. he also makes some points I haven't heard yet and talks about his own game.
i like captainsparklez but i dislike his take the most because he doesn't seem to have grasped the ramifications of it being per install rather than per purchase.
@@matthewbadger8685I hadn't even considered that. Install means regardless if it's just been purchased or was purchased before and you're redownloading it. Whether that be moving to a new device, new phone, etc. That's just freaking scummy.
I guess if you wanna support the devs now, you not only want to NOT pirate the game obviously, you kinda also wanna just put the game on external storage so that you only have to install it once. Otherwise you having to download it over and over over time will cost them more.
For a company called Unity, they're sure good at division.
more like uniting the community against them right now
@@meepindoofer1
Hell, they’re uniting bigger corporations as well.
Can’t believe they think making enemies with Apple, Google, Sony, Steam, etc is a good idea.
@@Zack_Zander "oh yeah we totally talked to Apple and the others about this and they agree"
Apple: you wot
What are you on about? They've united the entire industry against them.
As a game developer who started with Unity and has continued to use and love the engine for years, it saddens me to say that I don't think I'll ever touch it again even if they roll back these changes. The trust is completely broken, and other engines like Unreal have proven that they put the developers first and won't stab me in the back if one of my projects is unexpectedly successful. It's the end of an era, and I'm hoping the industry can come out the other side of this mess in a better state.
Yeah I think I will only stick with unity if the CEo resigns and somebody reasonable steps in
There are a number of genuinly good reasons to have a problem with Unreal.
But Unity is making a pretty good case for ignoring those anyway.
Trust should have been broken when they went publicly traded.
Godot and other engines that are essentially startups are the best option for the market. Unreal for pure productivity here and now.
@@TheSpeep and even if you don't like unreal, there are several more options to choose from
My read on this is that even the investors realize that the policy change is going to drive so many game developers to leave Unity that Unity still won't make money. That is what's going to happen. The new pricing plan is so bad that devs are going to start using Unreal or Godot or other engines instead.
as someone who's been waiting for several unity made games to be published, this news has been really worrying me.
If they're from large corporations I wouldn't be too worried. But if it's Indy developers then all I can really say is pray that they can transfer them over to unreal, or that those devs think they can handle this new monetization policy
If it's worrying for you as a player can you imagine how the devs feel!
I wonder how much of a panic this is for Team Cherry. I hope they can afford good lawyers if Unity doesn't reverse course.
@@davidanobleWhat’s a lawyer gonna do? Unity digging their own grave isn’t illegal
@@cluelessmango768 Their previous terms of service constitute a non-binding agreement. However, in the US, if you intentionally allow someone to rely on that agreement in a material way (for example, having a business that relies on that agreement), it becomes binding. And Unity obviously intended to allow developers to depend on the old ToS. I know Team Cherry is in Australia, but I'm fairly confident the same applies there.
Even the Captain himself had to talk about this. Unity had done irreparable damaged to their trust and reputation. This won't sit right for developers even if they do go back on this; and they really should given the outcry.
I have hope that the game dev community will be able to come together for this like the D&D community came together when Wizards of the Coast tried to do equally ridiculous stuff with the Open Game License. They were victorious, and hopefully the game devs will be too.
Honestly, I think this is just the beginning of the end for unity, because at least with d&d a lot of people were willing to stay because they're loyal to d&d, with unity, there are very good alternative options available, they do have disadvantages compared to unity but with this announcement I would be very surprised if a lot of developers are willing to trust unity anymore even if they do roll back this monetization BS
@@the_undeadand I wonder how many of those disadvantages are a result of simply learning how to develop in the engine rather than objective flaws
@@the_undead That's true, but D&D still hasn't felt the full impact of the backlash yet. A number of big names in the community started developing new tabletop systems that aren't yet complete. Once those start to become available, there will be a whole new wave of loss. That said, D&D has so much support from the top down that they can wait out the flood maybe. Unity can't do that.
D&D isn't in the clear quite yet, WoTC and Hasbro are still pulling some very sneaky shit
@@atticusbiggay D&D as a brand isn't in the clear, no. But 5th Edition definitely is, and it's because the community came together and made it clear they weren't gonna take shit. WotC and Hasbro may own D&D as a property, but they don't own sitting around a table with friends, rolling dice and playing pretend. We don't actually need them to enjoy our hobby.
It's the same with Unity. They're a big name in the game engine space, sure. But people don't need Unity to make games, and I hope the game dev community can make that clear enough that Unity backpedals.
One thing you didn't touch on is the privacy concerns. Unity says they'll be able to tell the difference between pirated installs, install bombs, and "legitimate" installs. Ask yourself this: How do they know the difference? The only way they could tell that is by collecting information about the person installing, like "man, there sure are a lot of installs of this game coming from the same IP address, that's weird."
But the person installing the game never signed Unity's TOS. They never agreed or were even informed that this data is being collected. In other words, once this change goes into effect, any game using Unity is effectively malware, transmitting information about you without your consent to a third party.
great point
They can't collect this data directly from the source device, that breaks a ton of laws.
Instead they'll rely on "In house models" and other "tools" according to a blog post.
Whatever those tools and models might be though, nobody knows...
@@LuukDomhofmy guess is: they have the amount of installs total, and then just say: 5% of these are prob reinstalls. Without any actual data to back it up.
Unity is going to destroy their community if they do this
They're already in the process of it. The entire situation is basically an advertisement for Godot.
I have already seen several developers say that the trust is completely broken and that they may never use unity again. They're not in the process of destroying their community. That community is already destroyed
Isn't unity CEO a old EA dev that they HAD to fire because he was making exactly the same decisions, they guy that made P2W single player game? And his tweets where he basically harassed random game devs for not putting ads everywhere
@eliescobis9922 yep, except he wasn't just a dev for EA... He was also the CFO for them... and apparently, another of his genius ideas was to attempt to charge 1 usd for every clip reload in Battlefield.
Unity has* destroyed their community
Godot's about to gain a whole ton more developers lol
dont think so can i remind you that big games like genshin impact/starail also use unity even blizzard is using the engine no way this change is going trough
@@Spiritwonder420 A lot of these game companies are already looking into switching to UE, Godot, and other engines. Unity is already late on rolling it back, and they're already suffering further losses.
And they did. Caves of QUD has been ported to Godot in a day, according to the devs.
Project Unifree is also looking very promising as a tool to port games out of Unity
The userbase is going into revolt. We saw the same thing when Wizards of the Coast updated their Open Gaming License for D&D. Regardless of the business needs of Unity, their customers also have a bottom line. This is a breach in trust that fundamentally underlines Unity's business model. And it's a deterrent for any user that even hopes to have a successful release.
everyone was canceling their dnd beyond subscriptions, so much so they kind of hid the unsubscribe button. even after months, I haven't renewed mine because much like whats happening with unity's userbase, the trust has been lost. i wont be renewing my subscription unless I start dming and need to content share with my players
If I remember correctly, in the USA for pre-existing developers this is a violation of the law "Work Entrapment". I hope the FTC sues them over this kinda of deceptive treatment towards there users, at minimum the users need to find a new engine or sue Unity themselves. Start talking to your lawyers devs, this certainly isn't legal or at a minimum it's a shady realm which needs to be addressed.
I'm of the mindset it's shady...
It's not illegal to change the terms of service, and it's not necessarily entrapment as the dev could remove the unity version and upload a version from a different engine.
@@a_d3monIt's not illegal to change the TOS no, but if it's going to apply retroactively then it IS illegal
@BonbonEat3r hence why they're only going after lifetime installs and the past 12 months of revenue since they can legally keep track of it and only charge for new installs starting in Jan 2024...
Again, it's shady as hell and SHOULD be illegal, but as it sits, I don't think it is illegal. But, I'm not a lawyer, and this is what I think. A lawyer would be able to tell for certain though.
@@a_d3mon They're literally tracking pirated copies as well, they don't forking care if you stop distributing the game or if you switch engines in new versions, they even went as far as to remove from all their ToS a section explicitly saying that a dev could choice to stay on X version of Unity and only be liable to that ToS and basically transferred everyone to the latest ToS (the same crap WOTC tried to pull with DnD's OGL). So it is not only entrapment in legalese but Unity as a software has become ransomware/malware/botnet in cybersecurity overnight.
@@a_d3monyou can't just simply "move the game" to a different engine just like that. You would need to pretty much remake it from the salvaged assets. Shaders etc most scripts... All broken.
The whole scene (world) needs to be remade etc etc.
It's basically just not possible.
I'll be honest. Microeconomics with Jordan isn't what I expected today, but I watched and took notes of every second. Wouldn't be upset to see more tbh haha!
I laughed as soon as I heard that if it was being sold on Microsoft Gampass whatever that Microsoft would have to pay that. The lawyers there are definetly going to have a word with Unity.
Shout out to the UE5 ad that I got on this video I laughed so hard
Nice 😆
It honestly wouldn't surprise me if the UE5 team specifically went to UA-cam and gave them a bunch of money and said, "put these ads in front of videos talking about the unity situation"
UA-cam does have the tools necessary to do this kind of thing, and honestly that would be quite the business decision
This really incentivizes developers to go with even more "corrupt" gambling/p2w methods in game, which essentially translates to most f2p games as you are wasting your time unless you spending dozens of dollars a week, cause most developers will definitely inflate how much people are getting to compensate on the typical player base of f2p games.
The crazy thing is that these changes don’t affect their gambling branch. So if you go full on gambling app, you’re in the clear.
Just let that sink in :/
The current ceo of unity is the same guy that added loot boxes to fifa and said that battlefield should charge users $1 per reload. I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the intent
Not really, it incentivizes away from Free to Play games with microtransaction as you could earn 200k a year and have more downloads than revenue causing you to have to pay back more than you made due to such a high download rate.
@@TheKingreikoyou take the lower ammount captin doesn't understand that in the video, he had 3 mil download but only made (in his hypothehical of making 200k) so he only made it into one catagory so he'd only pay after the first 200k downloads AND 200k rev making his $600,000 A LOT less (someone early said he would only pay 60,000 idk if the math checks out for that but I don't feel like doing the math atm)
Saying "Sony and Microsoft will pay the bill" has the same energy as "Mexico will pay for the wall"
The current Unity CEO came from EA and called devs who don't focus on adding micro transactions "fucking morons."
I'm glad the staff are quitting, but I'm not sure if it will do anything. We live in a Corporatocracy, after all.
A line was crossed somewhere, When even the shareholders don't think a monetization plan like this will help the profitability of a company you KNOW you've done something wrong. I would not be surprised if unity isn't even a game engine anymore next year
He also put malware in unity
Like actually "illegal" malware that can spy on you and take your data
@@eliescobis9922
As I always say,
CORPO BULLSHITTERY AS USUAL
@@the_undeadalso insider trading; the CEO was reported selling tons of shares just days before this announcement
@@alexsiemers7898 This is a myth, the CEO is on a program of regularly selling shares and thats what people were seeing
Didn't expect seeing a video of you talking about this, definitely a good surprise!
For someone who's been working for nearly 10 years on this engine, and was soon to release a game that I've been working for quite some time on it, yeah been hard to sleep. But we gotta adapt and evolve, Unity as a software is awesome, easy to learn and really adaptable, from 2D to 3D games with C# it's really fun! With that said with this kind of management it just becomes crazy to launch a new project on this software with uncertain future. Unity as of the moment can change their terms at any moment for worse or can just be eventually discontinued, which is a shame.
For some people will be Godot their best alternative, for me will be Unreal. Will take time to port what was done in Unity to Unreal, but it's still possible, lucky the game wasn't released yet, but I'll take that any day if it affects my game longevity.
I wouldn't put in too much work into porting your game just yet, it would not surprise me if the team at unreal announces a game porting feature that would do most of the work for you. If you're willing to wait for such a thing I would give it 2 weeks. And if they have an announced such a thing by that point then I would assume it's probably not happening
@@the_undead that would be such a OP move if they did that! (Although seems unlikely in such little time)
As of the moment I'm exploring Unreal, I did a ton of times on previous versions and was overwhelmed (back in the version 4), but now the new UI really helps taking a grasp of the engine bit by bit. And also I've surprisingly managed to reduce the installation size by quite a lot, and performance been better than expected on my potato laptop! (I was really worried it wouldn't handle it well enough) Still exploring the basics well before I dive into the full conversion process!
Thanks for the advice!
@@the_undeadOr even perhaps a plugin, or maybe even something for Godot. You never know.
You may want to look at Flax Engine. It supports C# and has nice features.
the thing that puts me off about unreal is the 30gb file size. who the hell thought that is sustainable
ive Been making games on Unity for about 7 years now, and while none of my games are very great and are all rather small it still pains me to see that i feel like im forced to leave it all behind and now i have to move over to Unreal or Godot if i want to keep my passion of game making alive
The good news here is that Unity isn't the only indie friendly engine at all. There are many other actually GOOD options! UE and Godot being some of the most prominently mentioned ones, but they're not the only options either.
This is the best business decision Unreal Engine has ever made.
unity just sent a good amount of their userbase to unreal. Nice job
The issue is that they set a standard, but at that standard they’re making a loss. Trying to crank up the money printer means taking more and/or giving less to the users.
Such a thing, in my eyes, could’ve been avoided if they didn’t focus on squeezing out competition by providing the best value-per-dollar-spent engine.
Amazon often applies these tactics, where they start to dominate a market by running at a loss in a certain industry, and once enough other smaller competitors have died out, they can dial up the costs and rake in profits. Of course, Unreal Engine exists, but many small studios might not have the time or money to re-school their employees on a whole new engine and different coding language.
@@cluelessmango768also, unreal is like 30 gigs. I dont understand why people would want to take 2 weeks just to download an engine.
That’s good.
Godot, GameMaker, and other smaller engines too
I hope some go to CryEngine. Unreal is a bloated pig and has been since 4.
as a game design student using unity for their final project (which we're required to release free to play), i'm really scared for my and my classmates' futures. really hope these pricing changes don't go through, but knowing the past of unity's current CEO, i'm not very hopeful.
Congrats on being a game design student and graduate soon! But dang that does seem frightening >_
Well if your game doesn't make more than $200k in a year then you don't have to pay anything. If you're still worried then switch to Godot
@@BanditLeader It is not only $200k. There is also a lifetime 200k install cap until that fee is due. No matter which limit you hit, the first one counts. If it is a somewhat good game, streamers may start playing it, some hype catches on and your wallet is toast.
@@higihups yeah you need $200k in 12 months AND 200k installs lifetime. if you dont meet both, you dont pay for new installs over 200k.
What a great time to have been working with Unity for a few months and almost having a finished product
Thankfully I only have a few projects (all of which don't meet the criteria)... I'm standing in solidarity and plan on removing all my projects and eventually reworking them in other engines.
I cant believe im saying this.. But me procrastinating has saved me xD
I love how the video just randomly ends
A simple example of the math for non developers. Among us (yes that among us) said it would be cheaper for them to hire 2 devs to port to another engine than pay those fees.
It gets trickier of course, unity having bought a malware company (and a few brass from said malware company being on unitys board), this being tergeted at free to play, something about the storefronts paying instead of devs(?) but in the right now the math is BAD.
Always love these kinds of videos. Keep up the good work Cap.
Also here's the thing, unity is trying to do an adobe, price people out and people pay because you are the only business in town. But unity is not that, because spoilers, people make games for fun or for art, and lightweight custom engines are fun to make. If you want industry standard, unreal has been gaining ground for years. (Edit) and if you are a hobbyist you have the entire breadth of the internet to explore. Godot is fantastic, gamemaker studio is good (minus the subscription model), and if you want to do some spicy coding, opengl still exists, you can write your engine from the ground up.
Some newstations use virtual environments built and run in Unreal
And remember. Godot still exists as another alternative.
@@a_d3monI don't know too much about the advantages of unreal versus unity, but from what I know, unity is easier to use and unreal is vastly more capable. Seeing what unreal has proven to be capable of, it does not surprise me in the slightest that news stations do make their virtual environments in unreal, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if that's just something you can buy on some corporate equivalent of steam and then just customize the virtual environment to your specific needs, at least if you don't want to go the route of that piece of kit that Linus Tech tips demonstrated a while ago when they were announcing the game linked channel
Unreal hasnt rly been gaining ground recently, if anything they mightve been losing ground, because by and large its long been Unreal thats been considered the industry standard.
Unity was still shaking off its reputation as the lesser but cheaper alternative just a few years ago.
The idea that all of a sudden theyd be able to act like theyre the biggest guy in town is absolutely ridiculous.
@@TheSpeep welp... They're about to regain some of that ground they've lost... and Godot is about to gain a lot as well
Imagine getting a bill because the lifetime installs ticked over because enough people just upgraded their rigs leading to a “new installation”.
This is honestly the best opportunity for Godot to gain more popularity
The fact that it counts per install rather than per purchase is just incredibly wild.
Imagine having to pay another ticket if you decided to go to the bathroom during the break of a movie, concert or other performance.
I always appreciate your break depends and these videos always bring me back
A couple points that really show the impact of this change:
1. Unity states this change is retroactive, which I think means games that have already released now have to retroactively pay for installs (which is madness).
2. Among Us is free to play on mobile and is also a Unity game. They could actually be screwed by this.
The fact that this change is retroactive just blows my mind.
Goodbye Unity, hello Unreal.
There's a big concerning problem with the wording, it clearly says "installs" and until they back paddled recently they confirmed that it would count reinstalls on the same system, however same product installed on different systems do count, you can buy the game on one system and install it on multiples and it would cost the devs more with each install, which is confirmed by Unity.
So if you buy a game, install it on your PC and maybe a Laptop or a Steamdeck that will cost the devs twice, it also seems to imply that if you do any hardware changes it will detect it as a new system.
And all that is without acknowledging the fact that Unity will *TRACK* installs, it will come with a built in spyware.
But I am not surprised...
Their CEO is the same CEO that got *fired* from *EA* for going too far into greed by suggesting for people to be able to pay for magazines refills in the middle of the game in Battle Field.
The man has no a sliver of shame, he said that inde devs that don't put microtransactions in to their games are idiots.
Also it has been confirmed that he sold his shares before the announcement, so that should tell you what he thought will be the reaction to this.
Thanks for breaking this down in a way that was easy for me to understand. I’ve heard people complaining about it but haven’t been able to dig into the details to figure out what was going on.
They literally made it so many indie devs have stated it is cheaper to just hire people to fully transition their games to diffrent engines than to pay this; That was one of the first things the Among Us team said
I’m interested in going into Computer Science and I’ve been wanting to try out Unity for a while now. I’m currently a senior in high school and will be taking a CS independent study, which I figured would be a great way for me to learn a new language and start using a powerful game engine. Due to their recent changes, though, I’m not sure if I even want to learn how to use Unity anymore. I’m honestly pretty disappointed. These changes are going to be inedibly detrimental to devs - especially indie devs - and the entire gaming industry.
There are still VERY good options for indie devs, so even if Unity falls off a cliff you'll still be able to easily make fantastic games and benefit from doing so as well, both in personal growth and economic growth.
I appreciate you playing devil's advocate so much in this talk. It is the perspective that was missing in other news outlets and videos. You have a unique business yet personal sense that is truly valuable in a crisis like this.
And this is why I'm making my own custom engine for my own game projects. Some might say that is idiotic, but I personally feel like doing things yourself from scratch is the best way to learn about concepts and ideas that might've been abstracted away in a bigger game engine like Unity or Unreal. That's my two cents on the topic.
Every now and again I've dabbled in game dev mostly for fun, but with the end goal of releasing a game on steam. I'm glad I didn't sink too much time into learning unity, because it looks like I'll be moving over to unreal
Once you've written a couple of games, doing it again in a new engine isn't THAT big a deal. Sure you'll have to re-learn a tool again, but if that takes you a week or two before you're efficiently learning to do great things with it, that's not really a big investment.
I started watching you as a 12 year old kid who was into minecraft. Nowadays I’m a full-time freelance unity dev and really didn’t expect you out of all people to make a video about this Jardon. But great job! 👍🏻 thoroughly enjoyed it!
If you ever need a game, hit me up. Might take it down at 199.999 installs though 😆
the funny part is that apparently the CEO used to work at *EA* and left EA like 10 years ago because...**drumroll please**...disastrous game launches...
Cap, I genuinely enjoy when you cover relevant information such as this!
The per install fee is just asinine. If it was a per sale fee there wouldn’t be nearly this much uproar.
thank you for making this, I love seeing this news spread around so widely
Stock Market “Cast aside your morals”
Truer words were never spoken 😂
Goddamn seeing fortress fury slapped me in a face like a pool noodle jump scare. I remember all the hoopla you had to deal with while trying to release that game.
Remember what happened to GameStop, insider trading and shorting might very well be part of this, but this time they made it impossible for anyone to support the company.
Jordan makes such good informational news videos, even on things I've heard nothing about yet.
Developers are already contemplating jumping ship, assuming they haven't jumped already, because of this pricing change.
I, for one, WAS going to develop a game with the Unity engine. But after this announcement? I'm going to jump ship.
This is rather unrelated, but did anyone see that AT&T ad of what's-her-name eating a bucket of popcorn? Considering the topic of the video, I thought it was perfect!
This channel is practically just being used for news and im all for it, i havent watched so many main channel in a while.
Finally. One of my favorite UA-camrs talking about my favorite game engine
Unity didn’t just shoot themselves in the foot, they did it with a Davy Crockett.
I can see this leading to the end of unity. I picked Unity BECAUSE I could start for free without fear of finding myself suddenly owing a big bill. I may well now switch over to Unreal.
Same. I'll be heading to Godot, but best of luck with Unreal
i wonder if community made engines are going to become more popular with unity's situation.. i mean people alr flocking to Godot and Unreal, but there's a reason people used Unity over Godot and Unreal to begin with. Could we see new alternatives?
@@v01d_r34l1ty that could definitely happen. But making a game engine from the ground-up is a massive undertaking, and in the meantime there are a lot of game devs who need an engine to make a living. I imagine we'll mostly see Unreal and Godot and maybe one other engine spike to higher prominence than before, and maybe in a few years we'll see more competition. And given that Godot is open-source, it's possible we'll see various Godot forks. After all, that would be less monumental of a task to create.
For those of you who actually didn't read through all the FAQ the "Does multiple downloads from the same person on multiple platforms count as different installs." they keep track of accounts and devices so instead of doing a flat fee on sales it's doing a flat fee on people who actually download and play their game.
5:34 was great watching the ad below his face
My favorite part was when Jardon is looking at the quarterly projections and the lady is under him eating popcorn.
Also, this is definetly going to adversly affect GOG than platforms like Steam or Epic Games Store because GOG is built off of being able to install a game whenever and whereever you want as long as you can log into the account without having to download a standalone platform.
GOG generally does not have DRM on games in their library as well, so I'm not sure how they could track any pirated copies. If every pirated copy looks indistinguishable to a legally obtained one, you know they will still end up charging for it. Thank you friend.
5:35 me when I watch CaptainSparklez speak about important internet-related news
5:22 ohhhhhhhhhhhh, this chart REALLY explains a hell of a lot
The C-Suite is panicking and they completely shit the bed
this is the business equivalent of making the most infectious no symptom disease in Plague Inc, waiting until the entire population is infected, and then slapping on all the deadly symptoms at once
You're the first creator I've seen going to the economic health of the business. Props.
I spent 4 years developing my game made with Unity, Battle Tracks, to launch a few months ago, now with this change it feels dangerous to even try to keep making it grow, which is wild. I've been using Unity for like 8 years, but this makes it hard to want to pick them up for any future games.
5:38 the Woman in the add looks up and then goes like :O, when he says "Oh, Frick"
The current CEO of Unity, John Riccitiello, is a former CEO of EA.The same CEO that tried to implement a $1 reload fee into Battlefield 3. Believing that when you're in a middle of online match, and out of ammo, you won't care about spending a buck. And they also called anyone who doesn't monetize their games a "fucking idiot"
Ohh, I finally understand now. Thanks for explaining this. good video!
I like how Jordan’s Astro headphones need tape down the middle of the band because the padding at the top tends to fall out due to the plastic wearing away; I had to glue mine but I’m glad to see I’m not alone
Loving finance Jardon, need to see more vids like this!
Guys at Godot must be popping champagne bottle right now...
For some reason I find how the video just suddenly ends funny
I didn't watch for the dramatic angle I watched for the incredible hair
I remember when fortress fury (for fortress fallout for the channel OGs) came out and I could never get it to run with out lagging so much I couldn't play. Oh those where to good ole days
What? Where is my dramatic camera angle? How can I watch this without my dramatic camera angle, that’s like eating without UA-cam
So I've seen stories about the developers Massive Monster (Cult of the Lamb) and Mega Crit (Slay the Spire) who have made public announcements that they will no longer be using Unity for current and future projects. Massive Monster has even gone so far as to say they will be "Deleting" Cult of the Lamb as of Jan 1st. I don't actually know if that will affect people that already have it downloaded and installed via Steam, or if it means it will only prevent future downloads but will still be available. Whatever the case may be, even if it means losing access to the games I hope the move makes an impact and shoves Unity's stupidity right back in their faces.
Other big titles like Hollow Knight, Among Us and Fall Guys are also made in Unity and I wouldn't be surprised to see them also make some sort of statement (if they haven't already and I've just missed it).
As far as (Cult of the Lamb) no they have said they are not deleting it. for the others i do not know
Among us has said that it would legitimately be cheaper to hire developers specifically to port the game to a different engine instead of paying the fee if this is applied retroactively. I'm fairly certain that is what a lot of other games will be doing in the near future, I don't know how various stores will handle this, but as far as I know Microsoft does have systems in place to support the changing of engines. As for the rest, I have no idea
@@shmoko3926 Ah I just found out that the deleting Cult of the Lamb thing was a joke. I'm not on Twitter so I wasn't aware they do stuff like that lol
@@the_undead The qualification thresholds are retroactive (using 2023 numbers), but the fees will only start with new installs after 1/1/24 (Unity's FAQ has this in it)
Even if they did delete the game off steam, they will still be getting (re)installs. Steam let's you install any game in your library even if it's no longer on the store
Ngl I expected you to say "So the stand I ussually use for the camera... is still in the box, and I am using that box as the stand."
I really like how you do discuss that unity's earnings are down and how it's financially struggling. Though it doesn't justify changing the terms of service without warning, i feel like most commentators are forgetting that unity is a publicly traded company that's not financially sustainable. It seems to me surprising that the previous pricing model survived this long without being changed or shutting the company.
I've always felt that monetization is a necessary evil in games where it appears. I can't wait for unity to make it 10 times worse in every game using their engine...
The problem is charging per install. if I delete and re-install a game 10 times at $0.20/install then it will cost the developers $2. To put that in perspective, if i buy a game for $5 and re-install it 25 times then the devs have made nothing, and if i re-install it more than 25 times then the Developers actually start losing money on the game.
nintendo with their big lawsuit hammer ready to strike LMAO 🤣🤣
Fun Fact! The Unity CEO used to head EA Games. Not exactly the first time they made bad decisions. Also a Fun Fact (which I might be slightly wrong about but I saw it being spread fairly reliably) is that the CEO sold a lot of shares, per an article from 6 days ago, before this was announced. Gotta love that.
That being said, all the companies I follow have all spoken against this, and it's painfully obvious it's a horrible horrible idea.
An interesting thing about the stock is people connected to unity started selling their stocks before the announcement was made
yeah i really thought he was going to touch on that. even higher ups were bailing if I understood what I read right. seems like they're intentionally running this into the ground in order to make as much money as possible before shutting down
Gods has it really been that long since fortress fury? I remember the videos coming out and the announcement, i even remember the video where he stated that he needs to change the name due to a cease and decist, time flies
Didnt think you would make a video about this!
You know the term "too big to fail"? Yeah, this right here is why i always laugh at people who say that.
Regarding the shares and shareholders aspect, one interesting fact is that the CEO of unity sold all his shares right before the announcement, which leads to believe that they knew the shares were going to drop in value, or its one hell of a coincidence.
I just now released my first completed indie game, made with Unity. And now this? wow, this sucks
I guess moving to Godot is the next step then
Meanwhile ppl at the Epic board room popping champagne.
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They aren't wrong, they won't pay for it because no company will put any inde game that runs on Unity on their subscription service from that point onward.
Sooo... good job Unity, screwing inde devs from every possible side.
That's *IF* this will go through to begin with and *IF* big companies will *allow* it to go through, because there are alot of games, especially mobile games that are made by big companies, and I doubt that they will be happy about this change
I suspected the industry as a whole is just going to abandon unity because of this, from what I can tell, there are several fairly large companies that haven't switched to unreal solely because they're developers know unity better, but they've been thinking about switching because unreal can do things that as far as I know, no other game engine is capable of replicating. For example, the mega realistic visuals.
oh dude, what if the play is a unity subscription service that allows you to play unity games and doesn't count towards the install limit suddenly forcing all those smaller devs to pull their games from steam if they get popular and put them on a unity pass.
I like when companies unceremoniously shove their feet into their mouths without a second thought and get absolutely ruined for it.
Add to this, this is per *install*, not *purchase*. If anyone changed phones (which happens roughly once every 2 years for most people) then that's another $0.20 per active player.
This is crazy, no way they don't revert these changes
Forehead Skill Increased: 100
I used to work for a game company that had a "as a service" model, with a free and paid version.
Mind you they were the same game, same .apk, just that your account would unlock the rest of the game without extra downloads.
This scared the living shit out of me until I remembered I no longer work there..
10:10 You only owe on the installs *after* the threshold, not retroactively back to the 1st install. It says right there on the chart Jordan showed: *"New* installs per month".