YouTube's Demonetization System Is A Disaster

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КОМЕНТАРІ • 918

  • @cas
    @cas 10 місяців тому +1599

    with the cartoons that we do on our channel the issue is beyond annoying. spending months on a single 2d animated video only for it to get either demonetized or set to "made for kids" is infuriating. they should really find a way to let more channels give additional context and or whitelist a channel when it's proven to be safe.

    • @mrdebdeb
      @mrdebdeb 10 місяців тому +109

      As someone who has watched you for awhile, there are far worse things that advertisers have advertised/are advertising, your videos are all cartoon violence. Also, You specifically state that the videos are not made for kids. There is no reason you should be demonetized. UA-cam needs a competitor and soon.

    • @He1IoDev
      @He1IoDev 10 місяців тому +62

      UA-cam's thing with videos made for kids makes no sense. they have a platform just for kids yet they still get bothered about normal videos
      also love the animations

    • @Imbatmn57
      @Imbatmn57 10 місяців тому +12

      Helluva boss probably makes all its money from merch sales because everyone can see that the content is more adult 😅

    • @PainterCM
      @PainterCM 10 місяців тому +6

      Hey it’s cas! Wild that you watch CS too

    • @Stretchwiz
      @Stretchwiz 10 місяців тому +1

      That sucks man

  • @bcgrote
    @bcgrote 10 місяців тому +705

    It is horrid. One woman I know got demonitized for "firearms". She's as family friendly as it gets, lifestyle, fashion, British daily life with her tiny daighters. All she can figure is she was dancing out in the garden one day, and she did "finger guns" as she danced. I mean wtf.

    • @eliescobis9922
      @eliescobis9922 10 місяців тому +79

      don't worry some poeple got demonstized for "animal violence" when they destroyed keyboard from pc

    • @nuansd
      @nuansd 10 місяців тому +8

      ​@@d4red3v1l8they said finger guns

    • @d4red3v1l8
      @d4red3v1l8 10 місяців тому +7

      @@nuansd OH 😭

    • @NitroNinja324
      @NitroNinja324 10 місяців тому +34

      I don't even know why firearms content gets demonitized. UA-cam doesn't like 2A stuff I bet.

    • @XSilver_WaterX
      @XSilver_WaterX 10 місяців тому

      Yt is barely conscious at this point after the plague. All it can do is let obviously evil companies and runner-ups go full Warlord mode and establish a mini kingdom to steal viewers into slave contracts.

  • @skidooqt
    @skidooqt 10 місяців тому +611

    His eyes says enough.

    • @Tikam10
      @Tikam10 10 місяців тому +7

      say*

    • @itakexans
      @itakexans 10 місяців тому +5

      @@Tikam10😐

    • @Tikam10
      @Tikam10 10 місяців тому

      @@itakexans LOL

    • @xercion3590
      @xercion3590 10 місяців тому +6

      Definitely. He looks tired AF.

    • @YTshashmeera
      @YTshashmeera 10 місяців тому +2

      Looks like cap had enough after looking at this lunacy for the whole day and uploaded this...
      My king

  • @Runelee1
    @Runelee1 10 місяців тому +617

    So not only should we make youtube a swear word, we should consider it derogatory and offensive term against non-native english speakers. Given that seems to be who they are targeting at this point.

    • @SirPogsalotCreates
      @SirPogsalotCreates 10 місяців тому +57

      I accept this proposition. refer to "youtube" as "y**tube" or "you****" (or "the y word" if you're feeling conservative) from now on

    • @NightChime
      @NightChime 10 місяців тому +18

      While I appreciate the linguistic change for increased accuracy, I would not appreciate how it would discourage videos like these that are critical of UA-cam, as they would be demonetized.

    • @ThatNoobKing
      @ThatNoobKing 10 місяців тому +7

      Happenings like these are so youtube

    • @captaindanger13
      @captaindanger13 10 місяців тому +2

      @@NightChime i mean people can just put little effort into videos criticizing youtube so that there won't be much loss when it gets demonitized

    • @dynaco4_homebase594
      @dynaco4_homebase594 10 місяців тому +20

      Rtgame has started doing this after his year end stream competition was demonetized and the other videos were retroactively demonetized for not following the rules made after the changes to guidelines

  • @SkylilyWolf
    @SkylilyWolf 10 місяців тому +231

    The worst part of situations like this to me is that it's heavily dependent on a person's pronunciation. Words like "focus" may or may not be misinterpreted by an automated system depending on the kind of accent it's trained to understand and the kind of accent the person speaking has. There is no perfect system to reliable parse out what a person is saying and whether or not it's harmful. Factors like accent, mumbling and background noise will always weigh in on what an ai picks up for captions or analysis - it's just not a perfect system for deciding whether a video contains harmful language or not.

    • @jursamaj
      @jursamaj 10 місяців тому +3

      True, but some much is uploaded every day that there is no way YT is going to have humans doing the initial review. It sucks, but it's not going to change.

    • @alexanderhoak
      @alexanderhoak 10 місяців тому +24

      Which is where the human review appeal is supposed to be the mediator, but we have seen time and time again that, if there is even a real human present (not too sure at this point), they don't actually care to do their job properly. Why waste time watching the whole video to double check, when you could take seven seconds to say it doesn't check out.

    • @ibrahimhabibeh6904
      @ibrahimhabibeh6904 10 місяців тому +23

      The automated system should at least pin parts of the video it has an issue with.

    • @eideticex
      @eideticex 10 місяців тому +11

      I don't even think that will matter. The other day I seen a video where the person spoke very clearly but UA-cam's automated subtitles choose "Roe v Zombies" for "Roe v Wade". When I seen that I could only think about how many things are going to be automatically demonetized because the system is garbage at identifying spoken words.

    • @SkylilyWolf
      @SkylilyWolf 10 місяців тому +1

      @@jursamaj Yeah, there really is no perfect system in that regard - it's not feasible to have constant human review. And we can see that currently the review team, if there is one, is not very thorough or considerate of context.

  • @DuncanGDA
    @DuncanGDA 10 місяців тому +58

    Ah yes, driving. Too intense for advertiser. I'm sure they'll shit their pants when they find out there are ads on billboards literally everywhere around roads

    • @LietunantGreek
      @LietunantGreek 10 місяців тому +9

      UA-cam with Elsagate 2.0: i sleep
      UA-cam with driving: real shit

  • @Registeel1234
    @Registeel1234 10 місяців тому +105

    If Jardon says that "he's pretty annoyed", that's actually means that's he's really pissed lol.

    • @ArDeeMee
      @ArDeeMee 10 місяців тому +6

      That’s the „family friendly“ filter in his head working in overdrive. =D

    • @jakethedog3444
      @jakethedog3444 10 місяців тому +1

      "jardon"...

  • @akainocode
    @akainocode 10 місяців тому +523

    it's honestly both surprising that it's gotten this far and unfortunately not surprising given how youtube has been to its creators :(

  • @coolenick0
    @coolenick0 10 місяців тому +10

    UA-cam demonitized one of my stream vods recently, tried everything I could to keep it up only to realize that the first 10 seconds where the big problem.
    Those 10 seconds where a recording of a salamander yawning

  • @kofeyh
    @kofeyh 10 місяців тому +89

    Ah yes, the 'Scunthorpe Problem'. Automation is so prevalent that even when it makes a mistake, support teams will be biased to agree with it, because that's less resistance than going against it. There are challenges making automation context aware, but if human reviewers are just going to automatically agree with it, it's almost worse than not being present at all.
    Even when UA-cam is repeatedly called out on this, they just go back to doing the same thing.

    • @walkermott1750
      @walkermott1750 10 місяців тому +4

      It is creating the reviewers own problem since the algo learns from their input

  • @abaddonarts1129
    @abaddonarts1129 10 місяців тому +177

    Always appreciate these kinds of videos, especially when they're blunt and dont dance around the point. Companies like UA-cam have done things that cause problems so often, and its to the point now that I'm happy to see people be fed up with it.
    I wholeheartedly agree that a "human" doesn't check the videos, with the sheer number of videos that must be appealed daily. People with smaller channels have no way to clear these, and its atrocious on UA-cam's part. I know there's been discussion about UA-cam having a bad layout internally to deal with these things, but its still unbelievably obvious that the viewer isn't human.

    • @izoraiza7169
      @izoraiza7169 10 місяців тому +3

      I once put a 10 second clip in a video I made of My Little Pony. It was the same clip a bunch of other UA-camrs showed before without issues. I had to delete it because I couldn't remove the clip. The entire video was about the clip itself and the memes people created.
      They basically forced me to delete a 10 minute long video I spent 3 months of spare time creating just because I showed a short 10 second clip that is all over UA-cam and still can be found on UA-cam.
      I can see why people get fed up with UA-cam sometimes even if it's not the same reason. At least I don't make money off of UA-cam and do it all completely free for fun.

  • @willowshake023
    @willowshake023 10 місяців тому +533

    The thing is that UA-cam doesn't have an alternative, so they are free to do anything and we can't really do much about it since UA-cam is our only option on the market.

    • @ravanalti3740
      @ravanalti3740 10 місяців тому +33

      People laugh when it’s mentioned but I guarantee you that UA-cam is having meetings about the rise of Rumble

    • @sturmifan
      @sturmifan 10 місяців тому +42

      ​@@ravanalti3740what even is rumble

    • @ravanalti3740
      @ravanalti3740 10 місяців тому

      @@sturmifan oh stfu you know exactly what it is

    • @Hydra48
      @Hydra48 10 місяців тому +11

      Isn't a lot of this due to what the advertising companies want though? Like if UA-cam doesn't cater to the companies running ads they would just stop doing ads through youtube.

    • @sathvikg.5729
      @sathvikg.5729 10 місяців тому +18

      @@ravanalti3740rumble? never heard of it before.

  • @eliescobis9922
    @eliescobis9922 10 місяців тому +297

    im sorry capitan but youtube won't do anything about it, so many other people tried to reason with them, even moist critical had a meeting with the CEO and they still didn't listen, they even came up with they're own ideas to fix it but after some time they abandoned these ideas

    • @eliescobis9922
      @eliescobis9922 10 місяців тому

      youtube literally hates you

    • @I.____.....__...__
      @I.____.....__...__ 10 місяців тому +17

      YT is too busy wasting their time ruining the UI and making the UX worse and worse to make the site ugly and unusable to bother trying to improve it. 😒

    • @TeKett
      @TeKett 10 місяців тому +7

      @@I.____.....__...__ Thats because the majority of people going into UX are artists, and not people who know universal design and cognitive accessibility. As a person who have worked on the side with reviewing digital products and sites for the past 10 years, iv seen some absolute horrid stuff, close to completely unusable.

  • @equestrianrosie
    @equestrianrosie 10 місяців тому +65

    After he played the first seven seconds I guessed correctly what was the issue. Re-listening it’s very easy to tell from the rest of the sentence what is being said, but if all the person is doing is listening for very particular sounds, they could make that mistake. So yeah, the system is broken.

    • @octag0nist
      @octag0nist 10 місяців тому +11

      "person"

    • @GraysonP8279
      @GraysonP8279 10 місяців тому

      Maybe they get their kicks from demonetizing videos.
      These "human reviewers".

  • @SLKibara
    @SLKibara 10 місяців тому +71

    When JORDAN is the one making a video about demonitization
    It's bad.

    • @alirezaomrani7650
      @alirezaomrani7650 10 місяців тому +1

      Hell yes it bad, it’s just plain horrible at this point.

  • @mimsydreams
    @mimsydreams 10 місяців тому +165

    Ok, as someone who works for a large software corporation, so I have some insight into this... UA-cam likely outsources it's human reviewers. They are asking people who's first language isn't English to try to parse out english curse words from small smaple sizes that the AI flags. It's unfair for people who collab with others, people with accents, people who misspeak, people who don't have the best audio set ups, etc.
    AND, quite frankly, unfair for those outsourced workers!! Because they have tons of these to review and quotas they have to meet while making a fraction of the pay a corporation would have to offer to workers in predominantly english speaking countries.
    And the reason this is outsourced in the first place? So the CEOs can pocket more money, while also showing revenue growth in a market that's been grouding out since (possibly before, thanks to AI) the pandemic hit. Gotta make those financial reports look great to investors and stock holders! Lovely. This is late stage capitalism. Expect worse to come as, AI improves cause software is cheaper than paying a human to do anything anymore.

    • @seeibe
      @seeibe 10 місяців тому +4

      Even GPT-4 could solve this better. So yeah, it's extremely unfair to the outsourced workers, as obviously they're getting paid less per processed token than an actual AI..

    • @mimsydreams
      @mimsydreams 10 місяців тому +4

      @@rayisnotreal2525 I definitely don't envy anyone who has the job of moderating a social media site.
      What confuses me is how a Sparklez video can get flagged for a mistaken curse word, but whole pedos are still able to post content and prey on children... UA-cam's priorities are skewed.

    • @jwalster9412
      @jwalster9412 10 місяців тому

      Isn't it biased to outsource people just because there foreign and likely cheaper workers? That would be like a hand Grenade sales man specifically going to war veterans for sales.

    • @jwalster9412
      @jwalster9412 10 місяців тому +3

      ​@@mimsydreamsUA-cam only cares about its advertisers. The contents creaters are just it's minimum wage profit margin, and the actual people using the site in there free time to watch videos, They come last.
      You would be surprised by the endless repository of very very not child friendly content UA-cam has. You don't even have to dig deep to find videos you don't want to see.

    • @mimsydreams
      @mimsydreams 10 місяців тому +1

      @@rayisnotreal2525 Possible, as well. I just have first-handedly witnessed people having to correct grammar in a language they weren't even fluent in, to save money.
      Best case scenario is UA-cam lies and there's actually a bot still checking these next level appeals. Which is sad that this is a best case.

  • @geekjokes8458
    @geekjokes8458 10 місяців тому +7

    the most absurd part is that they dont tell you what you did, _at all,_ unless you get in contact, sometimes after several tries

  • @fjdpaco
    @fjdpaco 10 місяців тому +19

    this is literally the Scunthorpe problem, a problem from *1996*, and still plagues the internet moderation to this day.
    all I can say is have some system to do the captions on your own term

  • @TheRacingJoker
    @TheRacingJoker 10 місяців тому +1

    I’ve had to contact their support service directly to tell them whoever is doing the ratings on my videos isn’t paying attention. I’ve had racing videos flagged for violence and profanity (when I censor everything) and all kinds of stuff that simply isn’t present in my content. Usually they put full ads on my video once they see whoever flagged my video was a goofball

  • @HeisenbergFam
    @HeisenbergFam 10 місяців тому +199

    UA-cam doesnt disappoint when it comes to disappointing, appreciate you Jordan for talking about this

    • @thecoolbird13
      @thecoolbird13 10 місяців тому

      go away

    • @drkclshr
      @drkclshr 10 місяців тому +1

      @@thecoolbird13he has the right to comment on any and every video on youtube and so do you

    • @thecoolbird13
      @thecoolbird13 10 місяців тому

      @@drkclshr they do, and i have the right to reply "go away" on their comment!

    • @drkclshr
      @drkclshr 10 місяців тому

      @@thecoolbird13 what do you mean by “go away” tho?

    • @thecoolbird13
      @thecoolbird13 10 місяців тому +1

      @@drkclshr they're commenting everywhere to gain reputation for the account, then will sell it for money
      so many of their comments are really generic and kind of bot-like, there's a lot of comments like "____ never disappoints" which you can also see here

  • @zoes17
    @zoes17 10 місяців тому +3

    It sounds like the MCC clip started with, "They're dominating, focus." As in we're getting taken to the cleaners we need to get our head in the game. As piror service Army we used, "Focus up" a lot.

  • @welshhie9542
    @welshhie9542 10 місяців тому +60

    Imagine having a HUMAN reviewer listening for specific things but not listen to the actual audio. An intelligent human can see he's clearly saying "Lets all remain FOCUSED"; alas when he was spoken over by the other teammate the human reviewer couldn't tell the difference between audio pitches and dialogues going on at one time.
    🤣

    • @Catlord98765
      @Catlord98765 10 місяців тому +6

      The reviewers are mostly likely overworked and under paid

    • @voidsabre_
      @voidsabre_ 10 місяців тому +4

      I heard "that's our main focus"

    • @jkliao6486
      @jkliao6486 10 місяців тому +4

      Even a non-native speaker like me can tell, even though I didn't get it was the word focus until Jardon explained that, that using the word fork doesn't make any sense in that context.

    • @DynamRezinor
      @DynamRezinor 10 місяців тому +5

      I couldn't tell what he was saying but it definitely wasn't a swear

  • @arcturuslight_
    @arcturuslight_ 10 місяців тому +4

    One thing about "not suitable for ads" I have suspected for years is that a lot of advertisers don't actually benefit from most of it, and actually lose target audience, especially when it is automated bs that has forced people to use words such as "unalive". Recent Google big fail shows ever more how untransparent google schemes are to advertisers themselves.

  • @siansoft
    @siansoft 10 місяців тому +19

    i understand that mistakes like this can happen with automated systems, however, i don't understand why they cannot just tell you that exact reason.
    if the system detects, "this slur was said" then surely having the system tell you that would be so easy?
    and even moreso for the "human" to come in and clear up the confusion if the slur in question actually is a mistake.
    it is so dumb that people have to do guesswork with their paychecks because the robot cant figure out words sometimes

    • @typowynieogar
      @typowynieogar 10 місяців тому +5

      Cause they don't get paid for being nice, as harsh as it sounds, they will be assholes to make their days better

    • @dexulescu
      @dexulescu 10 місяців тому +2

      it's intentional, if they told you what rule you broke they wouldn't be able to censor you on a whim

  • @handy_jack118
    @handy_jack118 10 місяців тому +21

    bad things youtube has done . 1 removing dislikes . 2 adding to the swearing rules and violent content . 3 making number 2 go back to videos uploaded in 2007 . so now that kills any chance to play games like the last of us ( without a warning at the beginning ) 4 changing the shorts layout . aka shrinking the short when opening the comments ( 1 only on mobile 2 UA-cam CHANGE THIS BACK ) 5 letting people abuse the copyright system . youtube its not that hard to say " no copyrighting content that only has 1 second of copyrighted content ( seriously guys this can get you taken to court atleast in the u.s ) 6 everything disgust in this video . youtube needs to get it together and fire whoever made these changes

    • @the_matad0r342
      @the_matad0r342 10 місяців тому +1

      To be fair to YT here, they don't get a say in what people can and can't copyright. That's a whole different story that YT can't touch.
      Also, YT needs to not be able to double up on flags. Ex: Guy was playing Dead By Daylight. For those unfamiliar, it is 1 killer vs 4 survivors. The YTber in question got flagged for 3 things. I can't remember the first, but the second was violence. This is understandable. The third was violence against women. I understand #3 is bad, but doesn't that just fall under violence? Why double up on that?

    • @handy_jack118
      @handy_jack118 10 місяців тому

      @@the_matad0r342 fair point

  • @trukklob2227
    @trukklob2227 10 місяців тому +101

    Jardoon is the most self-censoring UA-camr I know, he made a point many years ago to start censoring himself and his guests to avoid demonitization... Even going so far as to literally replace profane words with the word "demonitized". UA-cam is littered with p0rno0graphy and other forms of degeneracy, but God forbid the algorithm accidentally picks up a potential curse word maybe.... Fork us all!

    • @atillerthehun8039
      @atillerthehun8039 10 місяців тому +1

      Exactly 😢

    • @blacklyfe5543
      @blacklyfe5543 9 місяців тому

      How is youtube filled with pornography? I rebuked that in the name of me!!!

  • @PenumbralVT
    @PenumbralVT 10 місяців тому +2

    for me the most frustrating thing is like my last 20 vids have been determined as fine by manual review, but I'm still stuck with a "low" accuracy rating for the personal review which means most of my vids are demonetized as soon as they go up, doesn't help that the first 3 days also tend to be when most of the views happen
    I literally can't improve my personal rating because the automated system keeps saying I'm wrong, it's infuriating

  • @painlesschunk
    @painlesschunk 10 місяців тому +25

    I hate thinking about youtube suddenly making a small change in their tos or video ai things that could ruin so many channels. I hope a new video platform comes up as good competition soon.

  • @Arcturus_Harbinger
    @Arcturus_Harbinger 10 місяців тому +23

    Wondering if UA-cam could get into legal trouble if it is advertised as an actual person reviewing just to find out it isn't. Probably not, because it most likely would've been done by now, but still curious

    • @zoes17
      @zoes17 10 місяців тому +2

      IANAL but likely yes. I'd say breach of contract as they likely have wording to the effect of, "manual review by a human." Though if it only implies by a human instead it might be a bit more of a reach for such a tort to be violated. That's just my best guess, however.

    • @ArDeeMee
      @ArDeeMee 10 місяців тому

      The great thing about their system is that all the demonetized grubs don’t have the money to defend themselves. 👍
      It would take a class-action of EVERYONE who has EVER been targeted like that, and it would take a rich person to even get things started.
      I don’t see it happening.

  • @valkiyah5388
    @valkiyah5388 10 місяців тому +30

    honestly? you know its serious when Jardon starts almost raising his voice with frustration.

  • @Hydra48
    @Hydra48 10 місяців тому +4

    It's wild how I caught the "focus" right away. Honestly it makes me think that the person dealing with the appeal isn't actually a human.

  • @pecnil
    @pecnil 10 місяців тому +44

    a lot of youtubers have been speaking up on that issue, that should really tip them off....

    • @kaollachan
      @kaollachan 10 місяців тому +2

      they don t care, what make youtube money are song video and clip. ( there is also the problem that to many video to humanly check and as US scaredy cat they will ban all the thing in fear of add company not liking it, add company do that because they think their client would not like it, and those client don t like it because bank/ shareholder think the final customer will care ( beside the obvious karen and other "think about the children"n when in fact if there is something, chance it will be memed and give move visibility, that what old GTA game were about, creat a polemic to get people talk about the game for free), never understood US problem with the F word or nipple, natural thing and expressing no thank, but training kid to be addicted gambler on video game that OK, because it is "optionnal" ( or not for those fifa game)
      sorry for the ranting

    • @zeebo30
      @zeebo30 10 місяців тому +4

      they don't care, youtube still runs ads on "limited" videos and gets their ad cut, only the creator doesn't, so really it just lets youtube take a bigger slice on certain uploads or types of content. it's intentional.

  • @Argomundo
    @Argomundo 10 місяців тому +47

    Pretty sure the limited is just YTs excuse to take a bigger cut

    • @ByteSizedGamer
      @ByteSizedGamer 10 місяців тому +6

      especially cause its "revenue" that may not be earned. not that it might not have ads.

  • @JokingIllusions
    @JokingIllusions 10 місяців тому +11

    So I have noticed it as well. The biggest issue I’ve seen so far is that there is zero attempt to make it better in any capacity.

  • @blazedNsleepyaf
    @blazedNsleepyaf 10 місяців тому +3

    Hey dude, You said hi to me once as a kid in game and ive treasured that since a kid. You dont deserve the absolute mess that the youtube monetization is... I hope everything turns out well and i hope youtube hops onto this asap, Love from london! :D

  • @jckistan
    @jckistan 10 місяців тому +16

    I've had a handful of copyright issues recently. My VODs got claimed by a Latin-American music company that claimed the rights to Sweden (and other Minecraft in-game music), and I'm completely unable to dispute since my use case isn't covered by the dispute system.
    I also, a few days ago, tried uploading a meme I made of a Family Guy clip. Fox claimed and globally blocked my video before it was even public. The clip I used was uploaded by some random user years ago, with the video still being public. The cited infringement told me I was stealing content from that scene, except the link redirected to yet another re-upload. Can't dispute, since UA-cam want my full name.

    • @wyterabitt2149
      @wyterabitt2149 10 місяців тому

      None of this is a UA-cam problem.

    • @jckistan
      @jckistan 10 місяців тому +2

      @@wyterabitt2149 Yeah, it kind of is. The copyright system is designed in a way where creators are forced to hand over their personal details to properly challenge a claim. Should the appeal be rejected you receive a strike, no questions asked. My video gets claimed by a large company and no one can see it, despite it being transformative, even though the unedited clip is reposted by several accounts on UA-cam already.
      UA-cam is responsible for the system they implement and currently it's heavily geared in favour of the companies. It's easily abused, as seen by the Minecraft claims. Hell, a few weeks ago someone got prison time for creating a fake company to claim hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of revenue from copyright claims. The system sucks and it's 100% UA-cam to blame.

    • @wyterabitt2149
      @wyterabitt2149 10 місяців тому +2

      @@jckistan The copyright system is a legal requirement, dmca requires a notice is applied by the company hosting automatically and the company has no right to question it generally. It's up to the party who has been claimed against to go to court to sort out a dispute.
      UA-cam actually have a system that goes further than required, which UA-cam put together for the benefit of creators. They will even overrule obvious troll claims, and legally speaking UA-cam shouldn't even do that really.
      There's not a single company that will ever exist, that won't need to do at a minimum what UA-cam do now once they are big enough to become a target. UA-cam was targeted and could have been destroyed had they not developed the system they have, and convinced the big players to accept it as a compromise.

  • @SaturnSenshi3105
    @SaturnSenshi3105 10 місяців тому +9

    Good god hearing Jordan slightly annoyed is a terror. UA-cam better watch themselves.

  • @Nexxarian
    @Nexxarian 10 місяців тому +4

    UA-cam has virtually no support to begin with. It wouldn't surprise me if humans aren't actually reviewing these cases. For example, I tried to get in contact with them about a video that associates my real name and my username because it's a doxxing hazard. They said they couldn't find the issue when I filed a complaint. I contacted them on Twitter saying that I was at risk of being doxxed and they said "sorry to hear about that!"
    Unbelievable.

  • @godrel6177
    @godrel6177 10 місяців тому +3

    UA-cam needs to communicate when and what caused a video to be limited.

  • @shadowwarrior1178
    @shadowwarrior1178 10 місяців тому +14

    I wish there were some way fir a collection of UA-camrs to come together and press UA-cam to get this “human” review issue sorted out. It’s ridiculous how blatant the lie is.
    Sorry this happened to you, Captain.

    • @yuugur666
      @yuugur666 10 місяців тому +5

      Wont happen, literally basically all of the biggest solo creators on the channel have talked about this for years, making countless videos about it, calling them out, even mentioning it directly to the CEO in multiple interviews. None of it has ever changed anything.

    • @shadowwarrior1178
      @shadowwarrior1178 10 місяців тому +1

      @@yuugur666 Didn't UA-cam's CEO recently change though. Maybe (and I know I'm talking about a really big MAYBE) enough big creators teaming up (Avenger's style) all at once on UA-cam could make a difference. You're probably not wrong though, and I doubt anything would change without such a large movement.

    • @yuugur666
      @yuugur666 10 місяців тому +1

      @@shadowwarrior1178 yeah, she stepped down to spend more time with family and all that and promoted one of her goons (Idk anything about the guy, he may be great personally, but the entirety of UA-cam is a goonsquad at this point)

    • @the1necromancer
      @the1necromancer 10 місяців тому

      @@yuugur666
      That goon is supposedly the one who was in charge of the department that pushed for dislike removal.

  • @zach_montana
    @zach_montana 10 місяців тому +3

    what’s crazy is that no one is gonna associate a brand with swearing when the video that plays after has it. we all are so used to ads we entirely separate the two in of our brain. we know that the ad and the video are entirely unrelated. and if people are wanting to watch content with swearing the wouldn’t care if a brand was associated with that anyways.

    • @Cartel734
      @Cartel734 10 місяців тому

      Yeah no rational person thinks like that, but UA-cam decided to cater to a minority of irrational people and the media writing stupid rage-bait articles.

    • @sinadiatta9905
      @sinadiatta9905 10 місяців тому

      So true! Fr UA-cam should let the ccs swear instead of demonetizing for every single swear word said and make them over censor themselves and everyone who's in the vids(i.e Jordan)

  • @ZerotheWanderer
    @ZerotheWanderer 10 місяців тому +4

    This is one of those reasons that brings me back to why I don't yet have UA-cam Premium. They can't sort this silly shit out and treat their creators with respect, even some of the biggest ones who are like 99% family friendly.

  • @captaincookie72
    @captaincookie72 10 місяців тому +2

    The auto caption system is a huge problem. A video should not be able to be demonized because of that.

  • @jakeupinfinity
    @jakeupinfinity 10 місяців тому +1

    Strongly relate to this video appreciate you using your voice for this.

  • @samc9516
    @samc9516 10 місяців тому +3

    Before you revealed the answer I knew the type of thing I needed to listen out for in the first 7 seconds, and even still, as a human I still couldn't determine a single syllable I thought could be taken as "bad". And what I find even more maddening is swearing isn't even bad! Everyone understands that the advert is completely unrelated to the video we're actually trying to watch, and even if you didn't know that, no-one is going to watch let's say a Coke advert and then hear the f-word 7 seconds later and say, "Okay, I'm never buying a Coke again". People just don't do that! So stupid.

  • @DeadBaron
    @DeadBaron 10 місяців тому +3

    No big surprise. They still haven't really fixed the fake spam bot accounts under all the biggest channels. You can't even use creative commons music in your videos, it always gets copyright claimed. It's why I quit and purged my channels.

  • @noahblack914
    @noahblack914 10 місяців тому +1

    So either UA-cam is so scared and/or dense as to actually tell human reviewers to uphold this stuff, or they're just straight up lying about the human reviewers, and I can't tell which is worse.

  • @An1hony
    @An1hony 10 місяців тому +2

    i just don't understand why swearing calls for demonetization, like what about it is something that should not have ads

  • @xviithestar2356
    @xviithestar2356 10 місяців тому +21

    I learned a new slur today, lol. The more strict censorship becomes, the more it works against it's purpose I guess.

  • @RipMeGaming
    @RipMeGaming 10 місяців тому +7

    Aw short, here we go again.

  • @joeogle7729
    @joeogle7729 10 місяців тому

    my favourite demonetization story was of a car review channel interviewing an F1 car designer that got demonitized for a "slur". what had infact happened was youtube's auto subtitles had misheard the Lesmo (i repeat Lesmo) corners at the Monza racetrack for something rather different indeed...

  • @Calvin9000
    @Calvin9000 10 місяців тому

    love these vids from you captain jordan sparklez

  • @ibrahimhabibeh6904
    @ibrahimhabibeh6904 10 місяців тому +3

    The system could also be generating exact clips of what it had a problem with. So if a human reviewer comes in, they dont hear any context, just "focus"

  • @hcblue
    @hcblue 10 місяців тому +3

    More fired up jardoon pls, mostly because it's good to have larger youtubers talk about crazy shit like this. Also wow, today I learned a new slur for my heritage, courtesy youtube!

  • @f11bot
    @f11bot 10 місяців тому +2

    Really want to make a solution for UA-cam when I’m able to. Sick of stuff like this happening, and the content quality degradation in favor of the algorithm.
    Stay strong, you’re one of my favorite channels cause of your authenticity, that’s so rare nowadays sadly. Keep having fun creating videos!

  • @montregloe
    @montregloe 10 місяців тому +1

    minute 11, that's the point, its always about the little guys that good bigger UA-camrs are really making videos like this for. It is so hard to start YT, they dont need other insane restrictions already before they pass the starting line.

  • @user-fj6qb1ij4i
    @user-fj6qb1ij4i 10 місяців тому +5

    poor sparklez with youtube ads is like my grandpa working the computer

  • @BaconPuncakesX
    @BaconPuncakesX 10 місяців тому +30

    you know it's serious when someone as big as jordan says something about it

  • @ParsaEazadi
    @ParsaEazadi 4 місяці тому

    I had a similar situation where my video got struck for “child endangerment” it was a beat that I had posted called “harmonics” and I put together the only cause could be “HARM-onics”

  • @minecraftmando455
    @minecraftmando455 10 місяців тому +2

    Also I love how youtube is afraid of the f word in the first 7 seconds. Has youtube seen the Herowars adds they play on videos? They are basically porn.

  • @spiritvdc5109
    @spiritvdc5109 10 місяців тому +3

    I am convinced at this point that UA-cam doesn't want to pay people anymore and are trying their level best to backpedal on the entire concept of "monetizing" their content, so they can get out of having to pay youtubers altogether.

  • @mcdrums3988
    @mcdrums3988 10 місяців тому +4

    Idk why UA-cam's automated system does not provide content creators full transparency on why their videos get demonetized. It would solve lots of issues but who knows.

    • @TKOfromJohn
      @TKOfromJohn 10 місяців тому

      Because every big corporation doesn't care about anything but money

  • @UndeadMunchies
    @UndeadMunchies 10 місяців тому +1

    Just had a stream vod removed for "inciting violence or hate against a group of people". My guy, I was playing Pokemon. I cant even think of what hell I could have said and they just dont let you know where the "infractions" happen.

  • @chaosstripe9446
    @chaosstripe9446 10 місяців тому

    From what I've seen it's a copmbination of bad bots using google auto-speech-to-text and no actual oversight of their moderation team. Like legit, their moderators can just do what they want, even if that is to not actually watch the video or purposefully overturn another moderators review. It seems like the answer to "who watches the watchmen" is absolutely forking nobody.

  • @xxomgitseddiexx3740
    @xxomgitseddiexx3740 10 місяців тому +11

    This is why automated systems that use Chat GPT and AI bots are a huge issue. But it's not just youtube it's everywhere.

  • @slawrence5918
    @slawrence5918 10 місяців тому +5

    I would say your right in your last vid , I don’t watch much of the Minecraft videos anymore, but will always watch through whole thing of you doing these talks. you got a good opinion having been here from the beginning

  • @mrballbreeder3749
    @mrballbreeder3749 10 місяців тому

    Major problem is that they dont give any information why or timeframe of the demonetization part and you cant figure it out yourself and as you have showed it , its manly an idiotic thing and a youtube mastake that gets people video demonetized or even take downs and you cant do anything about it .

  • @spooky-spaghetti
    @spooky-spaghetti 10 місяців тому +2

    youtube's demonetisation and copyright system is an absolute disaster it's actually detrimental to the creators and the platform itself.
    i'm glad u mentioned less popular youtubers who don't have the privilege of contacts who can help.

  • @rexcelestial5518
    @rexcelestial5518 10 місяців тому +3

    At this point, we're better off with making our own version of "UA-cam" where we can post videos without the worry of demonetisation or censorship.

    • @Caseofgames
      @Caseofgames 10 місяців тому

      Good luck overcoming Google actively sabotaging your platform.

  • @AikaKitsune
    @AikaKitsune 10 місяців тому +3

    It doesn't help that text on screen (Minecraft chat, Twitch Chat, etc) can also cause this.
    Hell if i put the f-word or something like that IN THE COMMENTS SECTION it could demonitize this video.
    Even if the video is... oh idk.. 10 YEARS OLD

  • @DavidBChannel
    @DavidBChannel 10 місяців тому +1

    The only thing i can think of is if they outsource the human reviewing to another company with a bunch of people that barely speak english. It's certainly very odd.

  • @Flow_Plays_Minecraft
    @Flow_Plays_Minecraft 10 місяців тому +1

    They probably forgot to mention that the human reviewer was on sick leave and his robot colleague took over his shift

  • @rorykeefe8954
    @rorykeefe8954 10 місяців тому +4

    It is truly unfortunate that UA-camrs now need to bow down to their new automated overlords and can’t even hope to contest the claims made against them, regardless of the automated claims’ accuracy.

  • @martinstuvland8620
    @martinstuvland8620 10 місяців тому +3

    You know it's bad when he cuts off abruptly.

  • @ch33zelouiz
    @ch33zelouiz 10 місяців тому

    Honestly I enjoy your videos going into depth of your UA-cam channels and the problems and or good things that’s there. You explain things very well.

  • @cuiseorser-fw9nv
    @cuiseorser-fw9nv 10 місяців тому

    I love your thoughts. I was unsure why it felt like it ended and ended like mid thought. That's really sad!

  • @williamarmstrong5437
    @williamarmstrong5437 10 місяців тому +31

    UA-cam is gonna be a dead platform if this keeps happening.

    • @krise99391
      @krise99391 10 місяців тому +8

      No, they have no competitors for people to switch to. That's why it's gotten this bad in the first place.

    • @fareflight2029
      @fareflight2029 10 місяців тому +5

      Not unless people actually move to competitors like Rumble, or whatever else alternative platform is trying and ultimatlely failing to compete with UA-cam.

    • @jursamaj
      @jursamaj 10 місяців тому +1

      No it won't. The vast majority of people are not even slightly inconvenienced by this.

    • @faeranne
      @faeranne 10 місяців тому +3

      @@jursamaj The vast majority of USERS aren't inconvenienced by this. Sadly since users will only move in content creators move (because more than one platform is "too hard to deal with"), and creators will only move to platforms with users, it's a vicious cycle that will remain forever. We as a collective of humanity directly ask to be abused by refusing to ever take a slightly more difficult option. It takes a massive wave to change things, and well, " that's too much effort./s"

    • @yuugur666
      @yuugur666 10 місяців тому +3

      @@jursamaj the vast majority of creators ARE, which is why most of them frequently make videos on it

  • @noircat302
    @noircat302 10 місяців тому +3

    Makes me think the UA-cam algorithm is being racist and discriminating on content creators of certain classes or ethnic origins based on their accents and languages

  • @NexusOfChaos
    @NexusOfChaos 10 місяців тому +1

    and then there's how you can get struck for stuff in the auto generated subtitles even wen it's obviously not what was said...

  • @tetsubo57
    @tetsubo57 10 місяців тому

    I've been a daily vlogger since 2009. I've had one strike against a video for 'inappropriate' content. I appealed it. Why? It was a review of an LED flashlight. Their automatic system is absurd. The strike was removed.

  • @d4red3v1l8
    @d4red3v1l8 10 місяців тому +4

    I sometimes see youtube comment on videos that have nothing to do with them. But for some reason they can’t be bothered to respond to people who are actually having issues with their app.
    Also 6:51 They won’t let you talk about nuclear reactors when there’s literally an add telling British people to join the army.. The army where people *d!3*

  • @MichaelSuperbacker
    @MichaelSuperbacker 9 місяців тому

    I was demonetized yesterday! I am not inactive! I got an email June 9th stating that I have 30 days to meet the YPP eligibility threshold in the next 30 days. I did. I made 3 videos and posted in community tab. July 9th came and went. I have been getting paid, now 6 weeks after that my channel is demonetized? The system failed me.

  • @HackTheGamerReacts
    @HackTheGamerReacts 10 місяців тому

    Thanks for sharing! UA-cam made a couple of our videos "Made for Kids" as they said they manually reviewed them and determined so, which is a death sentence for videos. Not sure why they "manually" reviewed them but what's the point of having a not made for kids option if they're just going to make it for kids anyway...

  • @SemiHypercube
    @SemiHypercube 10 місяців тому +3

    They really need more transparency on this

    • @jursamaj
      @jursamaj 10 місяців тому

      How is that going to improve anything? They'll continue using automated systems for reviewing videos, because there's no way they can afford to have humans check every video. And the more transparent they are on how their system works, the easier it gets to game the system.

  • @circuitcraft2399
    @circuitcraft2399 10 місяців тому +5

    I guess you could start every video with a 7-second countdown?

  • @DoggieDiamondsTV
    @DoggieDiamondsTV 7 місяців тому

    I agree

  • @AceMcCrank
    @AceMcCrank 10 місяців тому +1

    When something like this happens, it's usually the auto-captions. Turn on captions and rewatch.

  • @maksiksq
    @maksiksq 10 місяців тому +3

    As Tom Scott once said, UA-cam is not broken, the world is.

  • @abrobot9261
    @abrobot9261 10 місяців тому +3

    It begs the question, did a human REALLY review it?

  • @MineBlackliteYT
    @MineBlackliteYT 10 місяців тому +1

    We did make a appeal or multiple of them and UA-cam is ignoring us they say the channel did something wrong, and it won’t give us back the channel back

  • @theman166
    @theman166 10 місяців тому

    Also striking is messed up. This one channel i used to watch got every single video on their channel copy right striked, which led to getting a channel strike, and then another, and then a third, and then the channel was deleted, despite them doing nothing wrong and emailing and tweeting at youtube and appealing, nothing was done and the channel was deleted.

  • @Hoo_Dini
    @Hoo_Dini 10 місяців тому +11

    The lack of common sense and humanity the UA-cam company is needing is just so bad than the controller submarine

  • @Bulkymandrake
    @Bulkymandrake 10 місяців тому +4

    We must all obey UA-cam. UA-cam is our daddy! No cursing! No slight gore! Not even saying devilish words like KILL or DEATH even though it happens every day! Praise the all mighty UA-cam for keeping us safe from the horrors the outside world holds!

    • @Michael-zf1ko
      @Michael-zf1ko 10 місяців тому

      I miss the old days of the internet when it was the wild west and people would send porn or gore as a shock prank. People used to just learn to avoid it instead of taking it as a personal attack and crying to mega corporations, begging them to censor everything.

    • @Bulkymandrake
      @Bulkymandrake 10 місяців тому

      @@Michael-zf1ko Yeah, the internet is horribly censored now and I’m afraid this is irreversible. Now everyone is conditioned into believing all this censorship is normal and it’s the way life is supposed to be. Now it’s gotten so extreme a slur of jumbled words can be interpreted as a death threat to the president 😂

    • @wyterabitt2149
      @wyterabitt2149 10 місяців тому

      As it should be, you don't have some right to money from videos posted from advertisers.
      You are free to post most things that are legal on UA-cam, swearing and everything else. You just don't have a magical right to money for it unless those paying that money (advertisers) agree with the terms of who will be paid and for what.

    • @Bulkymandrake
      @Bulkymandrake 10 місяців тому

      @@wyterabitt2149 You’ve never been laid

  • @grutarg2938
    @grutarg2938 10 місяців тому

    That’s pretty funny when the most offensive things on UA-cam are often the ads- they are loud, manipulative and insulting, sometimes targeting hate toward specific groups of people, spreading misinformation, and trying to scam money. Even the ones from reputable nonprofits will include very disturbing images of refugee camps and things.

  • @Lewkis01
    @Lewkis01 10 місяців тому

    Situations like this is why I really hate that automation is relied upon so heavily. It's absolute trash. It makes no sense and causes not only frustration, anxiety and anger with their creators but also costs them part of their livelihood over nothing.

  • @PerfectMachine
    @PerfectMachine 10 місяців тому +3

    bro looks disheveled 🙁

    • @CrimsonCat87
      @CrimsonCat87 10 місяців тому +1

      He usually looks like wild sheepdog when he goes too long without a haircut.

  • @c0nstantpain640
    @c0nstantpain640 10 місяців тому +5

    chaos

    • @IcerCheck
      @IcerCheck 10 місяців тому +1

      Hey, you were 🥇!

  • @charmychar390
    @charmychar390 10 місяців тому

    if no one responds to the email for appeal for a while, a bot instead takes the review and just rejects it after it hears the same words the CC created.

  • @JakeChernisky
    @JakeChernisky 10 місяців тому +2

    I am having the worst time on my Gaming channel I livestream on youtube and I, like you, don't swear and when I'm with other people they're usually good about it also but no matter what every livestream gets demonetized. I always have to have them review it and after review that always find that it's okay for ads it's so frustrating

  • @decisive-dolphin
    @decisive-dolphin 10 місяців тому +4

    Sparklez, you and everyone else who hates it will continue to complain about it and never use your nearly infinite wealth and influence to create an alternative.

    • @Cartel734
      @Cartel734 10 місяців тому +1

      There's already an alternative (Rumble), they just have to be willing to use it.

    • @decisive-dolphin
      @decisive-dolphin 10 місяців тому

      @@Cartel734 Perfect idea! Crazy how we keep complaining about it and then continue breastfeeding from Google when there are definitely alternatives lol