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I feel that Deathwing's comments about "do they not know what lies beyond the waves" could actually be referencing the Old God lying beneath Aberrus. I hope not, I prefer the idea that it is a bread crumb for new land masses on the other side of Azeroth, but considering the empty prison and DW proximity in addition to the Dragon Isles being located "across the waves" from where the known 4 Old Gods resided means we can't rule out the possibility.
It also makes sense to have 2 chained old gods. There is that quote from illganath that says 5 torches light the way. So it could be we kill (or release) 5 opening the way for a 6th. For an apocolypitc typ expansion.
The titans didn't completely kill y'shiraj, his heart was left, and "chained up" in pandaria. So he is still one of the 5 that was imprisoned if my inturpretation stands. Not sure, but I mean, why do anything with his heart at all, unless it was still a huge threat
Yeah I was kinda thinking that, and I also thought ghunn was an old god making 5. But idk. Honestly I hardly care, I loved the story of the old gods that already existed, but when we just casually took out nzoth in a phase I pretty much stopped caring. I wanted the ones we already knew to return to power, or atleast nzoth. Having new ones is just significantly less interesting than just using the ones that already existed.
My hope for Xalatath is that she was the agent of or avatar of the Void Lords responsible for keeping the old gods on task and they imprisoned her since killing her would have just sent her back to the void. I could also see them making her a rogue First One that was responsible for creating Zereth Umbra assuming they’ll eventually want First Ones affiliated with each cosmic force introduced as potential antagonists.
I wish we never knew about the first ones if they weren’t gonna go into some detail about them. Like how do they relate to the other cosmic forces and are they above all the forces or just the first beings that got taken over. shadowlands did it’s best to do some damage to the lore 😂
I also hope, that Xal'atath is more, than just a simple old god. I just like her mysterious, and interesting character. It's also cool, that the players (SH Priests) interacted with her a lot.
Cthun- collection of organs Nzoth- collection of thoughts/plans Yogg Saron- collection of resource consumers Yshaarj- collection of moods/modes expressed via the "heart" Xalatath- a "claw"/tool/weapon/instrument I think the black empire is a stand in for sentient life prior to any kind of Titanic ordering. Remember, the Titans are liars who don't "create" anything, they "reorder" that which already exists. This has serious implications regarding the "creation/reordering" of the races of Azeroth, especially the Titanic races (earthen, vrykul, gnomes, etc). Tin foil here, but I think all the races are somehow "bound" to Yshaarj. Not in a prison below the surface, an "open air prison". Not contained to a singular "cell" (be it a prison cell or organic cell), but in each individual. And then each of these "free" roaming cells generate anima that can be harvested upon death. Ain't that convenient?
They kind of DID imprison Y'Shaarj, his heart was sealed up beneath the Golden Vale. And G'Huun was imprisoned in the swamps of Nazmir. Though I will admit those are only technically imprisoned in the former, and the latter was made, and imprisoned, AFTER the Titans Ordered Azeroth.
Just to add, based on things Deathwing says in that book, the Titans and the Watchers are prone to exaggerated to make themselves look better than they actually are. Claiming the binding of Y'shaarj's heart beneath the Vale is absolutely something they would claim as "sealing an old god away".
a few questions, i dont know if this has been covered. it was the void or void lords who sent the old gods out into the cosmos . did they only have a set number of old gods and are the ones we see the only ones they created ? whats to stop the void from creating and sending more new old gods at us , they must know the ones that landed were defeated . ?
It did say five "evil" old gods were chained, so that could mean however many more exist that they titans, at the time, didn't deem as evil necessarily.
@@DoronsmoviesUm no? This is blatantly wrong, The tomb of Sargeras was the Temple of Elune before Aegwynn decided to lock up the avatar of Sargeras inside
If the chronicle was written by the titans, and the titans believed they killed y'shaarj at the time of it being written, there would have been 4 old gods(remaining) if we include the 5th new one. So not really a retcon, just adding a wider view of the situation, most likely not intentionally done, but from a lore stand point it is brilliant.
The book was likely doctored by the Watchers long after the Titans left Azeroth, and the reason for its alteration could easily have occurred because the 5th Old God had escaped and rather than admitting to a failing, they just changed the number of incarcerated OGs from 5 to 4 to reduce the chance of people questioning their competence. Odyn is also a very likely candidate to do such a thing. And speaking of their arrogance (especially Odyn's), trying to pass off the heart of Y'shaarj as the locking away of an entire old god is completely within the realm of possibility. Remember that the heart alone was enough to create the Sha. It was not in any way a benign remnant of an Old God, it was a psyche-altering essence that was gaining power and influence over time. He may not have had a direct physical presence, but MoP was absolutely an Old God expansion and his presence was key to all of the events that happened in Pandaria.
theres a drop from one of the bosses in the Aberrus raid that mentions "An'shuul the Cosmic Wanderer". Xal'atath may be an old god but what if An'shuul is one too? The name An'shuul, the Cosmic Wanderer makes me think that they are an experiment created by the void lords by fusing a constellar with the curse of flesh and huge amounts of void and other shadowy stuff (constellar are a cosmic race and the ulduar boss, Algalon is one)
The old gods we know about, are all connected to the landmasses of Azeroth we already know about. But we also do know that there are plenty of land yet to discover on Azeroth, could there perhaps be more old gods connected to those areas we are not aware of? or were we lucky enough to have them all to be on the areas we knew from the start?
"Wicked being, we will now attempt to seal you below for all eternity!" "I'll hide you tree fiddy. " "wh-what?" "$3.50 to not imprison me." "My good sir, t'was a pleasure to do business. Enjoy your stay, but might I suggest you do so on the secret-secret-secret continent?"
This make a lot on interesting sense, only 4 were imprisoned, but there's others that could belsewhere, or their remains vould be there at least. It'd be pretty cool to fight Y'shaar for real, his forces comming to either Pandaria where his heart was kept for millenia, or Orgrimmar where it was destroyed. Another Old god that's kinda been forgotten is the one being summoned on Outland, which would make an interesting opponent. Speaking of the old gods being outside death and life, it would appear that some of their servants are too, like Soggoth who got revived in BfA, which leaves the door open for the remains of other of their servants to rise again. As there's several to take from, it's a cavalcade of opponents just waiting to get ressurrected. Two potentials are in Desolace in The "Valley of Bones", the "Dead Goliaths", while a confirmed corpse was sadly scrapped from the Twilight Highlands, in a subzone called "Husk of Sor'getha", and was replaced with the "Crucible of Carnage".
Wouldn’t G'huun count as one? I know he’s not a "true Old God" but he was still created ages ago and represents a world-ending threat, artificial or not, I feel like they’d keep track of how many Old Gods-like beings they locked up
G'huun is a blood god.. just like Hakkar..all G'huun's tentacles are blood and he has bloobs that are blood too.. He was a failed titan creation and only is blood god
I wonder if maybe Xal is related to the element of decay and maybe also there could be another old god which will be the devouring one mentioned on that alternate Azeroth timeline where the Old Gods won
Decay is a lesser magic under the Void. In WoW there are tiers of magic that fall under Cosmic Forces. Fire and Light, Decay and Death. This is made clear when you pay attention the lore, and spelled out in Chronicles' Cosmic Forces map. The layout is the same in the SL book as well, just repositioned, as Tali has shown in a 3D spaced peer review.
There could per se be endless. The old gods are in the end still just tools createa by the void. So no matter what: fighting them at best buys you time, nothing else.
Last old god is Azeroth she is Sleeping as in the Titans figure out how to purify the old gods and make them into Titans and she is the first. That's why they want to corrupt her to restore her former powers to free the other old gods
I like this video and you've clearly put a lot of effort into it but I just cannot agree with you on most of your points: Based on everything Xalatath has said in relation to her predicament and the old gods, and based on what we know from the legion artifact lore about her I believe she was already in the blade by the time the Titans arrived and was thus never imprisoned by them it's possible the Titans didn't even know about Xalatath at all as there seems to be no indication that she ever came in contact with them. You assume that "The Old Gods and The Ordering of Azeroth" is written before G'huun was ever created, we do not have any information on when it was written or when exactly G'huun formed. It's possible that to hide their mistake they claim in the book that G'huun was always there and they just imprisoned him it's also possible that the book was written with the knowledge that they were experimenting with Old God matters and would possibly create one (I believe they were indeed trying to reverse engineer the Old Gods so they could make an Order infused version to help infuse and incubate world souls with Order magic but I have no proof of this just speculation) You mention Y'shaarj having been plucked out and that we've never seen his prison, but you also show the Pandaria cinematic with his heart and mention it as well, in the Siege of Orgrimmar we enter a Titan Vault that was the prison of Yshaarjs' heart we even fight the Titan Keeper who was left as its' jailer as he tests us and sees if we can fight the corruption left behind by the heart (Sha of Pride) after Garrosh broke into the Vault and stole the heart. (Apparently he blew a hole in the wall and made his own entrance or something to bypass the Keeper or some BS (tbh it's stupid i know)) It's very possible his heart counted as one of the five That being said there's no way to know :P If Blizzard wants to they can introduce more Old Gods that either the Titans were hiding from us as they were never on Kalimdor and thus their presence and effects would not be felt or they can decide that one or neither of Ghuun/Yashaarj counted as one of the old gods or heck maybe they decide to "revive" some or all of the ones we've already met or even bring back Yshaarj the possibilities are endless when it comes to the Old Gods we never know what they decide to do with them
Titans are the gods of order. Old gods are only tools of the gods of the void. Order interacts directly with reality, while the void gods mess around but themselves are stayin in the void (no matter why). So the idea can likely be, that Iridikron got the idea to use the power of the old gods to get what he wants without sacrificing the planet and himself to a cosmic power, since he isn't directly serving them and being changed like the Titans changed the Aspects. If things work out like he wanst them to be would be a different story. Sylvanas was the same thing: without the help of a literal god, she could simply have done nothing to succeed in her goal to get rid of the terrible system of the realm of death. She needed that ally for even a chance and could in the end only hope for, that her ally would stand to his word. He didn't, but in the end she still reached a lot, not the optimum, but the system was changed a lot for the better, what was mainly caused by her, because without her doing, mortals wouldn't even know about it and none of the death gods would have changed their habbits. Same for Iridikron: he's clearly taking a massive risk in working with the void, but what choice does he have from his PoV? A cosmic force is his enemy and the other dragons are empowered by this force. He needs some power up, too.
i can see there being 7 old gods " i will open the portal, and awaken the ogdru jahad, the 7 gods of chaos. our enemies will be destroyed. and from the ashes, a new eden, will arise." Rasputin, hellboy, 1944
"History Xal'atath is truly ancient, dating back to the time of the Old Gods' Black Empire. Theories abound as to the nature of its creation: the more outlandish claim that the blade is the remains of a forgotten Old God who was consumed by its kin, while other theories state it is the claw of Y'Shaarj itself. Whatever the truth of its origin, the blade is infused with the Old Gods' power. Legends state that it can even grant its wielder visions of the Black Empire, though doing so inevitably drives the viewer mad. After the Pantheon's titan-forged armies shattered the Black Empire and chained the Old Gods beneath Azeroth, Xal'atath remained free; [...]" - Wowpedia, Xal'atath, Blade of the Black Empire What if the blade was the prison of Xal'atath? As for Y'shaarj, I guess "The Vault of Y'Shaarj is an area under the Vale of Eternal Blossoms where the Heart of Y'Shaarj was sealed by the titans." The heart was all remained and it was sealed away, so still counts, I guess. Maybe Xal'atath wasn't too cooperating, so the other old gods sealed Xal' into the weapon. Xal' might be powerhungry so the others's did him/her a favor.
Xalatath is not confirmed to be the figure in the portal, and i really wish people would stop saying it is her when there is all the evidence in the world pointing to it being a profile of a night elf
Doron, you need to stop using the word "retcon," because you ABSOLUTELY DO NOT know the definition of the word. Retcons in Warcraft are extremely rare. What you always call retcons are in FACT recontextualizations. Please go learn the difference so you can stop sounding uneducated, and confusing those even less educated. Thanks. ❤️
![N'zoth & Xal'atath Void Whispers: All Old God Cutscenes[10.2 World of Warcraft: War Within]](/img/n.gif)
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Next expansion enemy is void lord?
You get an Old God! And you get an Old God and you get an Old God!!!!!!!!! -Night Elf Opr'ah Windfreyer
😂😂😂😂😂
You mean the draenei NPC named Ophera Windfury which is actually in the game?
Gross Oprah is horrid
@@FlameWLKRI came here to say this lol😅
I feel that Deathwing's comments about "do they not know what lies beyond the waves" could actually be referencing the Old God lying beneath Aberrus. I hope not, I prefer the idea that it is a bread crumb for new land masses on the other side of Azeroth, but considering the empty prison and DW proximity in addition to the Dragon Isles being located "across the waves" from where the known 4 Old Gods resided means we can't rule out the possibility.
It also makes sense to have 2 chained old gods. There is that quote from illganath that says 5 torches light the way. So it could be we kill (or release) 5 opening the way for a 6th. For an apocolypitc typ expansion.
The titans didn't completely kill y'shiraj, his heart was left, and "chained up" in pandaria. So he is still one of the 5 that was imprisoned if my inturpretation stands. Not sure, but I mean, why do anything with his heart at all, unless it was still a huge threat
Yeah I was kinda thinking that, and I also thought ghunn was an old god making 5. But idk. Honestly I hardly care, I loved the story of the old gods that already existed, but when we just casually took out nzoth in a phase I pretty much stopped caring. I wanted the ones we already knew to return to power, or atleast nzoth. Having new ones is just significantly less interesting than just using the ones that already existed.
G'huun was accidentally created to learn ways to BATTLE the old gods, meaning he was probably the first to be locked away
My hope for Xalatath is that she was the agent of or avatar of the Void Lords responsible for keeping the old gods on task and they imprisoned her since killing her would have just sent her back to the void. I could also see them making her a rogue First One that was responsible for creating Zereth Umbra assuming they’ll eventually want First Ones affiliated with each cosmic force introduced as potential antagonists.
I wish we never knew about the first ones if they weren’t gonna go into some detail about them. Like how do they relate to the other cosmic forces and are they above all the forces or just the first beings that got taken over. shadowlands did it’s best to do some damage to the lore 😂
I also hope, that Xal'atath is more, than just a simple old god. I just like her mysterious, and interesting character. It's also cool, that the players (SH Priests) interacted with her a lot.
Cthun- collection of organs
Nzoth- collection of thoughts/plans
Yogg Saron- collection of resource consumers
Yshaarj- collection of moods/modes expressed via the "heart"
Xalatath- a "claw"/tool/weapon/instrument
I think the black empire is a stand in for sentient life prior to any kind of Titanic ordering. Remember, the Titans are liars who don't "create" anything, they "reorder" that which already exists.
This has serious implications regarding the "creation/reordering" of the races of Azeroth, especially the Titanic races (earthen, vrykul, gnomes, etc).
Tin foil here, but I think all the races are somehow "bound" to Yshaarj. Not in a prison below the surface, an "open air prison". Not contained to a singular "cell" (be it a prison cell or organic cell), but in each individual.
And then each of these "free" roaming cells generate anima that can be harvested upon death. Ain't that convenient?
They kind of DID imprison Y'Shaarj, his heart was sealed up beneath the Golden Vale.
And G'Huun was imprisoned in the swamps of Nazmir.
Though I will admit those are only technically imprisoned in the former, and the latter was made, and imprisoned, AFTER the Titans Ordered Azeroth.
Just to add, based on things Deathwing says in that book, the Titans and the Watchers are prone to exaggerated to make themselves look better than they actually are. Claiming the binding of Y'shaarj's heart beneath the Vale is absolutely something they would claim as "sealing an old god away".
a few questions, i dont know if this has been covered. it was the void or void lords who sent the old gods out into the cosmos . did they only have a set number of old gods and are the ones we see the only ones they created ? whats to stop the void from creating and sending more new old gods at us , they must know the ones that landed were defeated . ?
It did say five "evil" old gods were chained, so that could mean however many more exist that they titans, at the time, didn't deem as evil necessarily.
Do we know what the Tomb of Sargaras was used for before the Avatar was placed there? Some say it was something related to Y'Shaarj.
Yes indeed that area is supposedly where a large Old god battle took place, one that probably hides this secret.
@@DoronsmoviesUm no? This is blatantly wrong, The tomb of Sargeras was the Temple of Elune before Aegwynn decided to lock up the avatar of Sargeras inside
@@Immortalizz02 Look up Battle for K'tanth
If the chronicle was written by the titans, and the titans believed they killed y'shaarj at the time of it being written, there would have been 4 old gods(remaining) if we include the 5th new one. So not really a retcon, just adding a wider view of the situation, most likely not intentionally done, but from a lore stand point it is brilliant.
Outside of the cycle literally just means that their souls would go back to the Void not that they are unkillable
How to tell that Blizzard ran out of ideas 101.
So a sha expansion is possible
The book was likely doctored by the Watchers long after the Titans left Azeroth, and the reason for its alteration could easily have occurred because the 5th Old God had escaped and rather than admitting to a failing, they just changed the number of incarcerated OGs from 5 to 4 to reduce the chance of people questioning their competence. Odyn is also a very likely candidate to do such a thing.
And speaking of their arrogance (especially Odyn's), trying to pass off the heart of Y'shaarj as the locking away of an entire old god is completely within the realm of possibility. Remember that the heart alone was enough to create the Sha. It was not in any way a benign remnant of an Old God, it was a psyche-altering essence that was gaining power and influence over time. He may not have had a direct physical presence, but MoP was absolutely an Old God expansion and his presence was key to all of the events that happened in Pandaria.
I feel like this is most likely a writer who messed up, not thinking Y’Saarj was killed instead of imprisoned.
theres a drop from one of the bosses in the Aberrus raid that mentions "An'shuul the Cosmic Wanderer". Xal'atath may be an old god but what if An'shuul is one too? The name An'shuul, the Cosmic Wanderer makes me think that they are an experiment created by the void lords by fusing a constellar with the curse of flesh and huge amounts of void and other shadowy stuff (constellar are a cosmic race and the ulduar boss, Algalon is one)
An'shuul could be either a Void God (Void corrupted Naaru) or Void Lord (Void Pantheon member).
The old gods we know about, are all connected to the landmasses of Azeroth we already know about.
But we also do know that there are plenty of land yet to discover on Azeroth, could there perhaps be more old gods connected to those areas we are not aware of? or were we lucky enough to have them all to be on the areas we knew from the start?
Perhaps the old gods who weren't written about made a deal of sorts with the Titans.
"Wicked being, we will now attempt to seal you below for all eternity!" "I'll hide you tree fiddy. " "wh-what?" "$3.50 to not imprison me." "My good sir, t'was a pleasure to do business. Enjoy your stay, but might I suggest you do so on the secret-secret-secret continent?"
Crazy everything that's going on while chromie is a dreadlord pulling strings right before our eyes.
This make a lot on interesting sense, only 4 were imprisoned, but there's others that could belsewhere, or their remains vould be there at least.
It'd be pretty cool to fight Y'shaar for real, his forces comming to either Pandaria where his heart was kept for millenia, or Orgrimmar where it was destroyed.
Another Old god that's kinda been forgotten is the one being summoned on Outland, which would make an interesting opponent.
Speaking of the old gods being outside death and life, it would appear that some of their servants are too, like Soggoth who got revived in BfA, which leaves the door open for the remains of other of their servants to rise again. As there's several to take from, it's a cavalcade of opponents just waiting to get ressurrected. Two potentials are in Desolace in The "Valley of Bones", the "Dead Goliaths", while a confirmed corpse was sadly scrapped from the Twilight Highlands, in a subzone called "Husk of Sor'getha", and was replaced with the "Crucible of Carnage".
Wouldn’t G'huun count as one? I know he’s not a "true Old God" but he was still created ages ago and represents a world-ending threat, artificial or not, I feel like they’d keep track of how many Old Gods-like beings they locked up
No only because they said in game that he was a titan creation and was not an old God.
G'huun is a blood god.. just like Hakkar..all G'huun's tentacles are blood and he has bloobs that are blood too..
He was a failed titan creation and only is blood god
Xal'atath could still be an old god but not one of the ones that were imprisoned, because she was killed by her kin
The heart was contained in the Mogu vaults
I wonder if maybe Xal is related to the element of decay and maybe also there could be another old god which will be the devouring one mentioned on that alternate Azeroth timeline where the Old Gods won
Decay is a lesser magic under the Void. In WoW there are tiers of magic that fall under Cosmic Forces. Fire and Light, Decay and Death. This is made clear when you pay attention the lore, and spelled out in Chronicles' Cosmic Forces map. The layout is the same in the SL book as well, just repositioned, as Tali has shown in a 3D spaced peer review.
hmm yea i did always wonder where yasharaj body is or was place because all we see is its heart where is the rest
There could be 7 old gods. Five chained, one ripped out and one imprisoned in a magic dagger
There could per se be endless.
The old gods are in the end still just tools createa by the void. So no matter what: fighting them at best buys you time, nothing else.
@@miriamweller812 Oh it does more than buy you time, you also get awesome gear
Last old god is Azeroth she is Sleeping as in the Titans figure out how to purify the old gods and make them into Titans and she is the first. That's why they want to corrupt her to restore her former powers to free the other old gods
how a bullshit
I like this video and you've clearly put a lot of effort into it but I just cannot agree with you on most of your points:
Based on everything Xalatath has said in relation to her predicament and the old gods, and based on what we know from the legion artifact lore about her I believe she was already in the blade by the time the Titans arrived and was thus never imprisoned by them it's possible the Titans didn't even know about Xalatath at all as there seems to be no indication that she ever came in contact with them.
You assume that "The Old Gods and The Ordering of Azeroth" is written before G'huun was ever created, we do not have any information on when it was written or when exactly G'huun formed. It's possible that to hide their mistake they claim in the book that G'huun was always there and they just imprisoned him it's also possible that the book was written with the knowledge that they were experimenting with Old God matters and would possibly create one (I believe they were indeed trying to reverse engineer the Old Gods so they could make an Order infused version to help infuse and incubate world souls with Order magic but I have no proof of this just speculation)
You mention Y'shaarj having been plucked out and that we've never seen his prison, but you also show the Pandaria cinematic with his heart and mention it as well, in the Siege of Orgrimmar we enter a Titan Vault that was the prison of Yshaarjs' heart we even fight the Titan Keeper who was left as its' jailer as he tests us and sees if we can fight the corruption left behind by the heart (Sha of Pride) after Garrosh broke into the Vault and stole the heart. (Apparently he blew a hole in the wall and made his own entrance or something to bypass the Keeper or some BS (tbh it's stupid i know)) It's very possible his heart counted as one of the five
That being said there's no way to know :P If Blizzard wants to they can introduce more Old Gods that either the Titans were hiding from us as they were never on Kalimdor and thus their presence and effects would not be felt or they can decide that one or neither of Ghuun/Yashaarj counted as one of the old gods or heck maybe they decide to "revive" some or all of the ones we've already met or even bring back Yshaarj the possibilities are endless when it comes to the Old Gods we never know what they decide to do with them
Iridikron: I hate having the Titans as masters of Azeroth
Also Iridikron: I’m gonna give Azeroth to the old gods
Titans are the gods of order. Old gods are only tools of the gods of the void.
Order interacts directly with reality, while the void gods mess around but themselves are stayin in the void (no matter why).
So the idea can likely be, that Iridikron got the idea to use the power of the old gods to get what he wants without sacrificing the planet and himself to a cosmic power, since he isn't directly serving them and being changed like the Titans changed the Aspects.
If things work out like he wanst them to be would be a different story.
Sylvanas was the same thing: without the help of a literal god, she could simply have done nothing to succeed in her goal to get rid of the terrible system of the realm of death. She needed that ally for even a chance and could in the end only hope for, that her ally would stand to his word. He didn't, but in the end she still reached a lot, not the optimum, but the system was changed a lot for the better, what was mainly caused by her, because without her doing, mortals wouldn't even know about it and none of the death gods would have changed their habbits.
Same for Iridikron: he's clearly taking a massive risk in working with the void, but what choice does he have from his PoV? A cosmic force is his enemy and the other dragons are empowered by this force. He needs some power up, too.
i can see there being 7 old gods
" i will open the portal, and awaken the ogdru jahad, the 7 gods of chaos. our enemies will be destroyed. and from the ashes, a new eden, will arise."
Rasputin, hellboy, 1944
Always get a little excited to see a new video up.
Xal'atath is not an old god. You must listen to the whispers of Ol Ilgy again.
Bruh where they at
Would think one is a serpent an another a water creature
Jokes on everyone Azeroth becomes the Ancient Old God and devours everything. Then we get Classic Plus.
It's obivously the 🅱ancient One! 🐙
I think azeroth is an old god
she could be because her name sounds similar to Azathoth
"History
Xal'atath is truly ancient, dating back to the time of the Old Gods' Black Empire. Theories abound as to the nature of its creation: the more outlandish claim that the blade is the remains of a forgotten Old God who was consumed by its kin, while other theories state it is the claw of Y'Shaarj itself. Whatever the truth of its origin, the blade is infused with the Old Gods' power. Legends state that it can even grant its wielder visions of the Black Empire, though doing so inevitably drives the viewer mad.
After the Pantheon's titan-forged armies shattered the Black Empire and chained the Old Gods beneath Azeroth, Xal'atath remained free; [...]"
- Wowpedia, Xal'atath, Blade of the Black Empire
What if the blade was the prison of Xal'atath?
As for Y'shaarj, I guess
"The Vault of Y'Shaarj is an area under the Vale of Eternal Blossoms where the Heart of Y'Shaarj was sealed by the titans."
The heart was all remained and it was sealed away, so still counts, I guess.
Maybe Xal'atath wasn't too cooperating, so the other old gods sealed Xal' into the weapon. Xal' might be powerhungry so the others's did him/her a favor.
Even more asspulls!
Even more tears from the crybabies.
Xalatath is not confirmed to be the figure in the portal, and i really wish people would stop saying it is her when there is all the evidence in the world pointing to it being a profile of a night elf
Doron, you need to stop using the word "retcon," because you ABSOLUTELY DO NOT know the definition of the word. Retcons in Warcraft are extremely rare. What you always call retcons are in FACT recontextualizations. Please go learn the difference so you can stop sounding uneducated, and confusing those even less educated. Thanks. ❤️