@@BryndenBloodraven why would that matter he wouldn’t have to do anything he he didn’t want to. If he was an opportunist like you claim that’s the biggest opportunity of all. He could fill the council with people he could delegate administrative tasks to. He could surround himself with people he trusts to run the capital just like he would at home. And use the opportunity to gain power, fame, wealth, control, marriage alliances, dragon eggs, whatever he wanted. And he did none of that. He got rid of the betrayers and oath breakers, got a wife, gave aegon a trustworthy council, and went home.
I believe he didn't have the courage to assume this position. I don't see him as an opportunist, I see him as a coward disguised as a hero. If we focus on the superficial elements, we are pushed to see him as a great, charismatic and honorable warrior, when all the facts show a coward incapable of doing anything concrete
@@alessiodandolo1460 what facts show he’s a coward? He rode down with his men when they were done preparing for winter and he sent an advance group that turned the tides beforehand. Then he did everything he did in spite of the fact that he may have to fight the lannisters and high towers
This reminds of GOT Cregan punished those who poisoned Aegon the 2nd, even tho he was a false king and cruel one. Killing a ruler is still treason no matter how u look at it. He had kings blood and was a son of the previous king. Cregan named Rhaenyras son king after wrds but still had the dignity and honor of stark to still punish those who poisoned Aegon the second, cuz who knows, they wuld have done the same thing or used Aegon the third like puppet. in GOT, Ned Starks depised the fact Jaime killed the Mad King, even tho the Mad king was horrible and cruel. Jaime knew how horribly the king treated his queen consort and how unrully his rulling was. Ned Starks mirrors Cregan a lot here, everyone knew The Mad king was cruel, and yet everyone still looked at Jaime in a negative light and called him Kingslayer. Ned Stark, especially.
I honestly can’t understand the dislike of him. He followed through on his word even though he knew the targs couldn’t hold up there end anymore. He took the capitol. He executed and punished those who wouldn’t stop. He also punished the people who betrayed aegon the elder because they weren’t trust worthy. He threatened to march on greens that weren’t cooperating, got a wife , found homes for his Northman, than fucked off back home. He basically got revenge for the queen he had an oath to, stabilized the capital, and left. What’s not to like??
And in the end, the guy didn't do anything. He waited, spoke, threatened in vain. Many continue to see him as a great, charismatic and honorable warrior just because he bears the Stark name, when all the facts show the exact opposite. The guy patiently waited until all danger was removed to intervene in an already over war, show himself, punish the assassins of the king he was supposed to fight (but while carefully avoiding punishing the most powerful among them, as in chance), threaten to continue the war against enemies who would have crushed him anyway, while knowing very well that this would not happen, abandon power to one of his supposed former enemies. Nothing about nothing: hats off to the artist!
@@alessiodandolo1460 The man's job was to clear the table with those who would have been a risk to Aegon III. Yes, there is a certain bravery with his incitement against the Lannisters. But his stand against the Hightowers and Velaryon is justified. The king is a child, leaving sparks of influence in the houses closest to the king's predecessors would only cause another possible war. Corlys has two granddaughters with royal blood from Daemon Targaryen, the Hightowers a queen still living in King's Landing. So yes, wanting to take away their influence to protect Aegon III is indeed a severe, sober, but politically justifiable decision. Not to mention the death of Larys, who we can say that, like the Varys of his time, he knew the danger that his position in court would represent. Even the execution of Aegon II's guard is justified... Cregan's executions were what initially kept Aegon III in power. The only thing I judge him for is leaving immediately and not helping to reap the fruit of his labor. Many problems could have been solved if he had remained in King's Landing for a couple of years and avoided the formation of the regent council.
@@JMTgpro But I ask you again, what stand against the Velaryons and the Hightowers ? Cregan Stark threatened them, but he did nothing. And he did nothing because he knew the Hightowers would have crushed him in an open war, and because he was afraid of Alyn Velaryon. His only goal was to show up at the end of the war to make everyone forget that he had played no role in it, and to get rid of his veterans so he could survive the winter. He never had the slightest intention of risking his precious life for Rhaenyra or the Blacks. A false hero.
@@alessiodandolo1460 you’re just straight up lying. Corlys had the greens surrender by the time he arrived. And Corlys was spared trial because his granddaughter had cregans new wife persuaded him to spare Corlys
@@ecm95 Yes, the cute story that Cregan Stark gave in to the Targaryen girls and Alysanne Blackwood. It's a nice official version, although a little silly. Just because Martin didn't write to you explicitly that Cregan Stark, like everyone else, acted for political reasons, doesn't mean that's not the case. Moreover, the author himself mentions the threat of Alyn Velaryon and cites it as one of the reasons why Cregan Stark gave up attacking Corlys. What's interesting about Martin's writing is precisely this: you have to read between the lines.
Cregan Stark was man of honor: He gave his word to the queen and honored his vow, whether she was dead or not. The phrase "My word is my bond" comes to mind.
Cregan, The Starks, and The Northerners are pretty much like the grumpy old dad who just got home from work and didn't see dinner set on the table, and the only thought in his head was "Alright, who do I have to chew out first?"
Cregan was a good politician. He could have probably marched earlier, those were in part excuses to see how it will go. They all knew dragons will be involved sooner rather than later. He waited. I don’t necesarily think he hoped to take Lannisport and Old Town, maybe as it was, he thought threats alone could do the job and image of a hard fearless warrior and reputation of Winter Wolves. He frees Corlys to secure a powerful ally in the South and does not overstay his welcome and fucks off. In essence he did rather little war wise and even rather little regent stuff, but even now people hear the “Hour of the wolf” stuff and are impressed, just shows he was a master politician
I think unlike Ned he knew his limitations, he knew that if he stayed Southerners would be able to run circles around him with their intrigues. He was good at simple plans and projecting the image of a great warrior whom he I guess was. Even his allies had some fear of him, but I think he knew that if he stayed longer, some people might start to see that he was also not that particularly clever and maybe not quite the force to fear, so he did the basic stuff to make people sort of admire and fear him, secured Velaryon support and went home… and lived a very long and good life, not all Starks had them…
Cregan reestablished the infrastructure necessary for a young king to rule. Everyone at court had to know they needed to be in order or Cregan would return for them and enact justice. His actions assured them of that
I wonder if they include the hour of the wolf in House of The Dragon. It's kind of anticlimatic after Rhaenerya and Aegon are both killed. Like the big struggle is over, and now we finish the show with a few episodes about Cregan Stark thinking about a big war but not following through with it?
Would be very boring. Robert had more balls and fought his own wars. Cregan was a slimy opportunistic liar who tried to take credit when the dance of the dragons was done
@@mochalotte4702 This story would not be boring. Watching the Stark army going south would be amazing to see again. If it’s well written, it would be fine.
Cregan stark had to fight with his uncle to get his right. We don't see the iron throne worry or care about the rightful lord. Cregan could just ignore the call of both side. May be the show portrait Rhaenyra Targaryen as a caring queen but if you look at the whole scenario, its only cregan that kept his land and people well-prepared for the winter and he even find the avenue for the grey bread. I think he is the lord that maintain and well-manage his land and even able to manage the land beyond his border. At the end of the days, no lord could say they stop war bcoz they got bored. They had to admit they bend down the knee and war stop. And lets not forget the winter wolfs, they play a big role in the war unless for the traitor dragon they would have won the war before cregan had to march to the iron throne.
Don t see a problem here. Man did what promise. Brought swift justice. Only think can blame him he was smart about it. Took care for his land and make sure all run tip top and nobody will dare screw with him. Total bad ass. Can t wait to see that in last season.
Uh, defintely not a thug. This is exactly how you have to deal with people in Kings Landing. With a harsh hand! The minute you're passive, you're dead.
What s the auhor talking about? A ton of violence with thousands dead and many dead dragons had already been 'unleashed', and if Ageon II wasn't poisoned, he certainly would have continued trying to 'war'(with what resources is uncertain). People, actualy follow the story, Cregan 'threatened' further violence, which is precisely what made people stand down. It was appropriately necessary and not at all did it raise a question of 'thug'. It simply was a raised hand to be 'b--- slapped' if things did not calm down. To make it more definitive, he accepted vows to take the black, and left 'immediately' after the 'Kings Justice' had been served. Now, Unwin Peake? That dude was a THUG, big time. Let's talk about that.
I never liked him to me how caused chaos then just peaced out when his king needed him most and he was always too late when it mattered most. Cregan was Late
True but the North was literally the farthest from the other kingdoms and he didn't see the need to become king's hand after justice was delivered. I think by that point other lords better suited to politics took up the position. Plus let's be honest, Starks hate the south and there must always be a Stark at Winterfell.
He may not have been able to take the castles but You have to remember the green supporters after several years of war were exhausted and in no condition to put up a fight. They had no armies to oppose Cregan and the rest of the Blacks not to mention the Westerlands were being ravaged by iron bron raids a simple land blockade and then invasion would likely have crushed the Lannisters
@@french907 A great Lord of the north but a bad General who never fought a battle before in his life let alone The Siege of a Great Castle against a veteran Force. He came down with snowbeard men and green boys unblooded by War. All those who survived the dancing of the dragons are hardened veterans. The winter wolves the Vanguard of the northern Army of old men in Fierce Fighters sworn to die are all dead. In the Southerners have learned of their tactics.
@@DarkKing009 True but simply in terms of numbers they were outmatched. Not to mention Orys Baratheon died Jason Lannister was crippled and the Hightowers had lost most of their leadership commanders and generals in addition to their numbers being abysmally small compared to the combined Blacks numbers. Hence why green supporters sued for peace after Aegon the thrid's death and Cregan's capture of King's Landing no more real reason to fight and far too much to loose from then on for them.
An opportunist but importantly liked by the fans.
An opportunist that gave up all his power when he could’ve essentially ruled through aegon the younger?
@@ecm95 hand of the king is administrative position. Do you think he had enough patience for that responsibility?
@@BryndenBloodraven why would that matter he wouldn’t have to do anything he he didn’t want to. If he was an opportunist like you claim that’s the biggest opportunity of all. He could fill the council with people he could delegate administrative tasks to. He could surround himself with people he trusts to run the capital just like he would at home. And use the opportunity to gain power, fame, wealth, control, marriage alliances, dragon eggs, whatever he wanted. And he did none of that. He got rid of the betrayers and oath breakers, got a wife, gave aegon a trustworthy council, and went home.
I believe he didn't have the courage to assume this position. I don't see him as an opportunist, I see him as a coward disguised as a hero. If we focus on the superficial elements, we are pushed to see him as a great, charismatic and honorable warrior, when all the facts show a coward incapable of doing anything concrete
@@alessiodandolo1460 what facts show he’s a coward? He rode down with his men when they were done preparing for winter and he sent an advance group that turned the tides beforehand. Then he did everything he did in spite of the fact that he may have to fight the lannisters and high towers
Apologies for the weird and sudden rise in volume at 1:28. Some weird glitch I encountered in Premiere I thought I had fixed. Infuriating.
Cregan was late to the party and said nah we are not finished yet.
5 star editing and very captivating! Keep going bro!
Appreciate the kind words brother!
This reminds of GOT
Cregan punished those who poisoned Aegon the 2nd, even tho he was a false king and cruel one. Killing a ruler is still treason no matter how u look at it. He had kings blood and was a son of the previous king. Cregan named Rhaenyras son king after wrds but still had the dignity and honor of stark to still punish those who poisoned Aegon the second, cuz who knows, they wuld have done the same thing or used Aegon the third like puppet.
in GOT, Ned Starks depised the fact Jaime killed the Mad King, even tho the Mad king was horrible and cruel. Jaime knew how horribly the king treated his queen consort and how unrully his rulling was. Ned Starks mirrors Cregan a lot here, everyone knew The Mad king was cruel, and yet everyone still looked at Jaime in a negative light and called him Kingslayer. Ned Stark, especially.
"Hero or thug?" Those two are more often then not one and the same, you can't put your own morrality to a man such as this in a situation of strife
I think stark just simply stomped out any embers that may rekindle and settled the loose ends. He is a thorough man. He is a stark.
He kept his vow and tried to do right by little Aegon. Wish he had popped back in every now and then because the regency was a disaster.
Well said.
I honestly can’t understand the dislike of him. He followed through on his word even though he knew the targs couldn’t hold up there end anymore. He took the capitol. He executed and punished those who wouldn’t stop. He also punished the people who betrayed aegon the elder because they weren’t trust worthy. He threatened to march on greens that weren’t cooperating, got a wife , found homes for his Northman, than fucked off back home. He basically got revenge for the queen he had an oath to, stabilized the capital, and left. What’s not to like??
And in the end, the guy didn't do anything. He waited, spoke, threatened in vain. Many continue to see him as a great, charismatic and honorable warrior just because he bears the Stark name, when all the facts show the exact opposite. The guy patiently waited until all danger was removed to intervene in an already over war, show himself, punish the assassins of the king he was supposed to fight (but while carefully avoiding punishing the most powerful among them, as in chance), threaten to continue the war against enemies who would have crushed him anyway, while knowing very well that this would not happen, abandon power to one of his supposed former enemies. Nothing about nothing: hats off to the artist!
@@alessiodandolo1460 The man's job was to clear the table with those who would have been a risk to Aegon III. Yes, there is a certain bravery with his incitement against the Lannisters. But his stand against the Hightowers and Velaryon is justified. The king is a child, leaving sparks of influence in the houses closest to the king's predecessors would only cause another possible war. Corlys has two granddaughters with royal blood from Daemon Targaryen, the Hightowers a queen still living in King's Landing.
So yes, wanting to take away their influence to protect Aegon III is indeed a severe, sober, but politically justifiable decision.
Not to mention the death of Larys, who we can say that, like the Varys of his time, he knew the danger that his position in court would represent. Even the execution of Aegon II's guard is justified... Cregan's executions were what initially kept Aegon III in power.
The only thing I judge him for is leaving immediately and not helping to reap the fruit of his labor. Many problems could have been solved if he had remained in King's Landing for a couple of years and avoided the formation of the regent council.
@@JMTgpro But I ask you again, what stand against the Velaryons and the Hightowers ? Cregan Stark threatened them, but he did nothing. And he did nothing because he knew the Hightowers would have crushed him in an open war, and because he was afraid of Alyn Velaryon. His only goal was to show up at the end of the war to make everyone forget that he had played no role in it, and to get rid of his veterans so he could survive the winter. He never had the slightest intention of risking his precious life for Rhaenyra or the Blacks. A false hero.
@@alessiodandolo1460 you’re just straight up lying. Corlys had the greens surrender by the time he arrived. And Corlys was spared trial because his granddaughter had cregans new wife persuaded him to spare Corlys
@@ecm95 Yes, the cute story that Cregan Stark gave in to the Targaryen girls and Alysanne Blackwood. It's a nice official version, although a little silly. Just because Martin didn't write to you explicitly that Cregan Stark, like everyone else, acted for political reasons, doesn't mean that's not the case. Moreover, the author himself mentions the threat of Alyn Velaryon and cites it as one of the reasons why Cregan Stark gave up attacking Corlys. What's interesting about Martin's writing is precisely this: you have to read between the lines.
Cregan Stark was man of honor: He gave his word to the queen and honored his vow, whether she was dead or not. The phrase "My word is my bond" comes to mind.
Cregan stark, a true New Yorker
@@travaughnanderson3958and “A proud Newarker “. -Assemblymen
Good breakdown. Excited for the upcoming season!
Cregan, The Starks, and The Northerners are pretty much like the grumpy old dad who just got home from work and didn't see dinner set on the table, and the only thought in his head was "Alright, who do I have to chew out first?"
Diggin the narration👍🏽
Cregan was a good politician. He could have probably marched earlier, those were in part excuses to see how it will go. They all knew dragons will be involved sooner rather than later. He waited. I don’t necesarily think he hoped to take Lannisport and Old Town, maybe as it was, he thought threats alone could do the job and image of a hard fearless warrior and reputation of Winter Wolves. He frees Corlys to secure a powerful ally in the South and does not overstay his welcome and fucks off. In essence he did rather little war wise and even rather little regent stuff, but even now people hear the “Hour of the wolf” stuff and are impressed, just shows he was a master politician
I think unlike Ned he knew his limitations, he knew that if he stayed Southerners would be able to run circles around him with their intrigues. He was good at simple plans and projecting the image of a great warrior whom he I guess was. Even his allies had some fear of him, but I think he knew that if he stayed longer, some people might start to see that he was also not that particularly clever and maybe not quite the force to fear, so he did the basic stuff to make people sort of admire and fear him, secured Velaryon support and went home… and lived a very long and good life, not all Starks had them…
Love your videos can you make a video ranking, each kingdom, strength, and soldier quality
Thank you for watching! That's a cool idea!
Cregan reestablished the infrastructure necessary for a young king to rule. Everyone at court had to know they needed to be in order or Cregan would return for them and enact justice. His actions assured them of that
I wonder if they include the hour of the wolf in House of The Dragon. It's kind of anticlimatic after Rhaenerya and Aegon are both killed. Like the big struggle is over, and now we finish the show with a few episodes about Cregan Stark thinking about a big war but not following through with it?
Can't wait to see more of him and the Northmen in the show. Can't fking wait!
Although it doesn't seem like it will be any time soon.
This should be a series on its own.
Cregan Stark sounds like a boss.
Would be very boring. Robert had more balls and fought his own wars. Cregan was a slimy opportunistic liar who tried to take credit when the dance of the dragons was done
@@mochalotte4702
This story would not be boring. Watching the Stark army going south would be amazing to see again.
If it’s well written, it would be fine.
cregan was capping when he said he would take out all 3 great houses with just 10k men
Doesn't matter how many men you have, you just need a really good strategy.
Excellent video!
I definitely want to see this guy in the season 2 he must have been a badass bringing Swift Justice
Whether you like it or not the realm needed him.
Cregan stark had to fight with his uncle to get his right. We don't see the iron throne worry or care about the rightful lord. Cregan could just ignore the call of both side. May be the show portrait Rhaenyra Targaryen as a caring queen but if you look at the whole scenario, its only cregan that kept his land and people well-prepared for the winter and he even find the avenue for the grey bread. I think he is the lord that maintain and well-manage his land and even able to manage the land beyond his border. At the end of the days, no lord could say they stop war bcoz they got bored. They had to admit they bend down the knee and war stop. And lets not forget the winter wolfs, they play a big role in the war unless for the traitor dragon they would have won the war before cregan had to march to the iron throne.
The Kings of Winter were hard men in hard times
He was the hero not that they deserved, but the one that they needed.
Don t see a problem here. Man did what promise. Brought swift justice. Only think can blame him he was smart about it. Took care for his land and make sure all run tip top and nobody will dare screw with him. Total bad ass. Can t wait to see that in last season.
The saying about flipping a coin and the Targaryens seems to apply to Starks also.
Good grief, read a book. That's not even close to the same comparison. What does hero/thug have to do with an 'insane' analogy???
Uh, defintely not a thug. This is exactly how you have to deal with people in Kings Landing. With a harsh hand! The minute you're passive, you're dead.
Is that rollo?
What s the auhor talking about? A ton of violence with thousands dead and many dead dragons had already been 'unleashed', and if Ageon II wasn't poisoned, he certainly would have continued trying to 'war'(with what resources is uncertain).
People, actualy follow the story, Cregan 'threatened' further violence, which is precisely what made people stand down. It was appropriately necessary and not at all did it raise a question of 'thug'. It simply was a raised hand to be 'b--- slapped' if things did not calm down. To make it more definitive, he accepted vows to take the black, and left 'immediately' after the 'Kings Justice' had been served.
Now, Unwin Peake? That dude was a THUG, big time. Let's talk about that.
if someone in Dance of Dragons is thug its Criston Cole ....
Gregan did what was necessary, nothing more nothing less
So he was the Anti-Ned or more or less the Tywin Lannister of his generation. If it meant peace he’d resort to bloodshed.
Hope you keep on making vids until WOW comes out.
Lmao that thumbnail is Rollo from the Vikings series
Fanservice he was fanservice. He showed up killed one guy that mattered then married into the other fanservice house and left.
Haha, interesting take
Hero
A bit of both
I say both
Just an old man
He a G
Don't seek morality in politics
I never liked him to me how caused chaos then just peaced out when his king needed him most and he was always too late when it mattered most. Cregan was Late
True but the North was literally the farthest from the other kingdoms and he didn't see the need to become king's hand after justice was delivered. I think by that point other lords better suited to politics took up the position. Plus let's be honest, Starks hate the south and there must always be a Stark at Winterfell.
Sounds like someone who lost his lover in my opinion. He was filled with vengeance.
Cregan Stark thought he could take Old Town from Hightower and Casterly Rock from Lannister without dragons. Ok
Cregan Stark the fool wolf
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He may not have been able to take the castles but You have to remember the green supporters after several years of war were exhausted and in no condition to put up a fight.
They had no armies to oppose Cregan and the rest of the Blacks not to mention the Westerlands were being ravaged by iron bron raids a simple land blockade and then invasion would likely have crushed the Lannisters
@@french907 A great Lord of the north but a bad General who never fought a battle before in his life let alone The Siege of a Great Castle against a veteran Force. He came down with snowbeard men and green boys unblooded by War. All those who survived the dancing of the dragons are hardened veterans. The winter wolves the Vanguard of the northern Army of old men in Fierce Fighters sworn to die are all dead. In the Southerners have learned of their tactics.
@@DarkKing009 True but simply in terms of numbers they were outmatched.
Not to mention Orys Baratheon died Jason Lannister was crippled and the Hightowers had lost most of their leadership commanders and generals in addition to their numbers being abysmally small compared to the combined Blacks numbers.
Hence why green supporters sued for peace after Aegon the thrid's death and Cregan's capture of King's Landing no more real reason to fight and far too much to loose from then on for them.
@@french907 Lady Johanna Lannister of Casterly Rock did not yield to the ironborn nor she yield to the Norseman
Rollo😮
"Late"