What Did Malcador Think About EVERY Primarch? | Warhammer 40k Lore
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- Hello, Nerd! In this video will will look at how Malcador treated every primarch, and we will try to understand how heavily it affected Horus Heresy.
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He was the babysitter who was too old for this shit.
Yes
Gremaldus: " nice channel , how's Armageddon?"
You don't wanna know.
my version of Malcador may older than his canon self: from he's last living Stone Age shaman that refuses to be part of Emperor himself and artificially made into perpetual by Emperor's powers
Something like this is preferable. I will add the sinking of Atlantis was the ritual of creating the emperor and the chaos gods wanted to stop that and set humanity back into the Stone Age.
I think in the grand scheme of things everything was a tool of some sort to Malcador.
That's likely true, even though he and the emperor had different opinions at times they both seemed to have that in common. I'd argue that it was likely a necessity to have any hope of "winning" against chaos as any unwillingness to sacrifice a piece on the board out of fondness would be a weakness for chaos to exploit and in the end both were ready to make the ultimate sacrifice one burned out of existence and the other trapped between life and death.
It may have been smarter to keep Magnus closer around if he was such a essential strategic asset and a powerful psyker to keep as a student and establish better trust and relationship. It would have avoided all that trouble with the too ambitious Webway project being compromised when Magnus unintentionally broke it after being decieved by Tzeentch. Malachor probably should have seen that one coming and planned accordingly.
Seriously that Webway project was a complete disaster and was too ambitious to commit to in such a short amount of time while the Horus Heresy was on the loose. The Emperor was too tunnel visioned into that ambition.
It just proves what he was always saying, he is not a god. Well now he kind of a is, but you get the idea.
@@TheLostPrimarch
The Emperor however really manufactured many of his own problems though in the Horus Heresy by doing so and created far too many enemies through his autocractic secular idealogy and philosophy that gave Chaos the openings they were waiting to exploit from a virtueless society. He should have cared about the consequences he was reaping. Not to mention he could have easily had come with a theological way to counter the influence of Chaos if he truly sought to.
[HUGE SPOILER!!]
In the short story Malcador: First Lord of the Imperium, Malcador slips up and tells his old lady friend that the Primarchs were always supposed to kill each other. For only a primarch can kill another primarch, big E intentionally encouraged rivalries between his sons and was generally a dick to some. In the same story, Malcador laments the loss of Lorgar to the traitors side. So, even though the Heresy was inevitable, who was going to fall to chaos was still unknown even to the Emperor and Mal.
Big E was supposed to have finished his webway-project before the infighting started, but Erebus hurried the inevitable along a couple hundred years.. so the grimderp tale of the Horus Heresy seems less like a Greek tragedy, and more like dicks being dicks for dickness-sake...
Everyone saw that in the previous video :)
It also implies he was telling her that to make her feel better about dying and lets you use your own bais to decide whether he is truthful or not.
Fundamentally though that version doesn't agree with How Malcador talks about them elsewhere and also how the Emperor talks about them to Chaos.
Moral of the story, don't let your bias make the decision.
@@TheLostPrimarch sorry, this was the first time I saw your content
And the two Lost...we'll, we'll never know, but he MIGHT HAVE kept their skulls in his throne, so...
Malcador is a character I am typically very fond of. I'm still DEFINITELY not a fan of the Perpetual wave, and how so many characters were revealed to be them, instead of just using the Warp to extend their lives, because time, space, and thought are all related, or timey wimey whyever, but it does bring me back to wondering, if the Sigilite was a Perpetual, why is he now dead? Sitting on the Golden Throne might've killed him, and even crumbled him to dust, but even that shouldn't have broken his Perpetuality, or else the Emperor wouldn't still be one, either, 10,000 years later, so what actually took the Sigilite down? Or is he just hiding on Titan? Or deep within the Palace, somewhere?
Nah the throne either absorbed him or erased his soul considering it was probably using his life force and psycher powers
Would like to know tho, why Malcador old man?
Isn't he a perpetual like Big E. Couldn't he have appeared younger instead?
The question for ages.
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The real grim dark tragedy is that Malcador never got to show the Primarchs what level he was really on, or at least to duel one of the Primarchs in front of the others.
He gave horus a facial of psyker energy, it wasn't a fight. The Khan and alpharius begged him not to kill him
Didn't Magnus kill Malchidor while trying to get his shard back during the Siege? Seems like a bit of a damper on their once good relationship 😅
Well kind of a indirectly he did lol
*IF* malcador was related to the emperor, then he'd feel a kinship to the primarchs since they are the genetic sons of the emperor. so if he didnt care about the primarchs, then he more than likely
wasn't related to the emperor. at least if malcador KNEW he was related.
I like diz dude more n more.
In your previous video you made mention of how the the emperor and malcador were running out of time. This rings true in the books as well, but one question hasnt been answered. Running out of time for what? What were they expecting to happen? Was Chaos goig to invade real space? How and through what means? Was an alien threat going to rise up or was a human society going to start a major war? As far as I know this hasnt been elaborated on. What are your thoughts? Maybe you can make a video giving your different ideas.
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I think that Malcador and the Emporer did things in a very deliberate manner. I am reminded of a story between the Emporer & a Magos Biologis over the Primarchs referring to the Emporer as "Father". The Emporer pretty much said that the Primarchs were tools for his ambitions! Malcador was an operator!
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Glad you enjoy it!
Perhaps seeing all the Primarchs as tools and ignoring the importance of the human aspect was a bad idea. Perhaps there were better methods and practices that would have reduced the vileness among a couple of them from rebelling like the Iron Warriors, Thousand Sons, and World Eaters.
The Emperor really facilitated Angron's hatred by abandoning his Gladiator army companions to their deaths in his apathy, indifference, and disinterest.
Could be, maybe in one of the alternate realities of W40K but not in this one.
@@TheLostPrimarch
Really the Emperor and Malcador were careless in those endeavors and didn't see anything fundamentally wrong that was important enough with causing such a rift. The whole Angron problem could have been avoided and they should have known Khorne would eventually set his sights on him. So much for being so intelligent and perceptive yet they still allowed it to manifest which is now been a problem for Imperium worlds for 12,000 years.
@@thorshammer7883 [HUGE SPOILER!!]
In the short story Malcador: First Lord of the Imperium, Malcador slips up and tells his old lady friend that the Primarchs were always supposed to kill each other. For only a primarch can kill another primarch, big E intentionally encouraged rivalries between his sons and was generally a dick to some. In the same story, Malcador laments the loss of Lorgar to the traitors side. So, even though the Heresy was inevitable, who was going to fall to chaos was still unknown even to the Emperor and Mal.
Big E was supposed to have finished his webway-project before the infighting started, but Erebus hurried the inevitable along a couple hundred years.. so the grimderp tale of the Horus Heresy seems less like a Greek tragedy, and more like dicks being dicks for dickness-sake...
@@Psychosofi
I am aware and still objectively I see it as a big mistake that could been avoided and reduced the Chaos uprising significantly.
I wonder how much input Malcador could have had one the development of the primarchs, maybe he favoured those he could have had more of a hand in creating?
Oh that's an interesting one. Could be if he was part of the process. lets say, deciding about what traits they have and probably emperor turned some down, but also he approved some too, then probably yes, but knowing the personality of Malcador, even with that, I doubt he would have favorites.
Here's an interesting question Do you think it could have been possible for Chaos gods To become good or If history turned out differently The gods we know as they Chaos gods Could have turned out differently If 40k Galaxy wasn't so Messed up
Chaos gods are just a emotional reflection of reality built up in the warp. I think it is possible with impossible measures - it would take really and I mean really really long time, meanwhile everyone should act like total pacifists, no war, nothing, just peace and decency, and also no one MUST NOT AT ALL COSTS get corrupted or even think about anything negative in that sense. If majority manages to do that - then yes it is possible. But it will never happen because it means the end of Warhammer. It would have to utopian galaxy, no illnesses, no hunger, nothing that could create negative emotions.
It is not only possible, that is literally how it was in the oldest lore.
Nurgle was originally just another fertility deity (that is why he feels a kinship with Isha).
Khorne was just a regular God of War.
They both went mad because of humanity, around the times of the middle ages.
We don't know what happened to Tzeentch, if anything. Maybe he has always been this way, since he is the oldest Chaos God ... by far!
He was most likely influenced by some xeno species that is long since extinct.
Succinct and to the point. Just the was Malcador wanted it.
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Don't think Alpharius/Omegon being on Terra the whole time was true.
Just one, perhaps.
@@aquavitae3824 If so, would have been Omegon that stayed on Terra.
@@theemissary1313 mayhaps
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