The emperor is the god of sacrifice, all of his so-called mistakes, like treating half of his sons like shit and making them hate each other was to create perpetual war, and thus perpetual sacrifice. Every time guardsmen dies for no reason in the name of the Emperor… just charging up that battery. Once you look at the entire 40 K universe like that, you realize he’s a genius, possibly evil or it was the only way to beat the chaos gods. Even Malcador dying, made him much more powerful because it was his great sacrifice.
I doubt that was the plan he wanted to go with, but one final throw of the dice can be all the difference when all life, time and sanity are on the line. That blade cut deep indeed.
At the end of the story where Malcador is talking to Sibyl Neaster, he asks of the Emperor (who is not in the room) "Why do you always make me lie to them?".
Clausewitz said “No plan survives contact with the enemy.” How much more true that must be if the enemy is the stream of time, chance, and fate itself.
The main problem is that the time and the warp are connected, that's why it's impossible to predict the future, it has many ways, or it could be still like we saw in the last book of the Heresy. And also it's a priceless thing, Malcador explicitly said "we never had enough time, we always were in a hurry" and it's true, knowing what's on the stake.
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@@TheLostPrimarch well, the primarchs are his genetic sons and he calls them sons sometimes. i think. would it hurt the relationship if he knew he was his son? i doubt it. but i'm not the lore expert
If you want to get into the issues with foresight, you really need to read the first four Dune books. (In general, stick to Frank Herbert's only, Brian Herbert only wrote cheap trash.) The conversations there are great, but you actually get a resolution of sorts. What was being built was a (in 40k terms) race of blanks without the negative consequences, so the human race could not be tracked by prescience, well, at least directly. As for the question of this video, GW wants is murky to keep it "interesting". Some of the most curious plot points are either GW's stupidity or marketing type ploys. 20 Primarchs, half loyal, half traitor, with two "missing" so players could paint homebrew chapters/legions with one traitor, one loyal.
Tzeentch to Malcador: "Plan? Do I really look like a guy with a plan?" All in serious the problem with the Emperor's foresight is that even though it is better then the Eldar's he is only seeing a limited amount of subjective timelines with how far his senses, perceptions, and awareness can see, he's not seeing a objective future and no matter how many timelines he perceives they are only subjective ones. It wouldn't matter if he saw a hundred thousand or a million if they were fluid and different external factors not accounted for suddenly happen. Neither he nor the Chaos gods are truly omniscient as even the Warp has it's limitations. Even Tzeentch despite his title and claims and what his realm is about simulating all kinds of Chaos Fate weaving, doesn't know absolutely everything for certain as he did not know what even the Well of Eternity was. Even for the Emperor and Tzeentch would be extremely hard to know absolutely all variables and account them constantly in the regular galaxy alone. All those interests, all those intentions, choices, and wills are something extraordinary hard to observe and remember properly constantly and predict at the moment. It's too much information to process. It would like a miniature experience of Stephen King's the jaunt or the Planck-zero ai from Xeelee Sequence which is information overload. Even the formation of the Dark King's time was a subjective thing and not going to happen for a while. I don't even think an Omega Plus Psyker could handle Yog Sothoth or Scarlet King levels of cosmic knowledge before mentally shutting down and going into a breakdown.
I think that Malcador and the emperor, despite there intentions, were extremely, and I do mean EXTREMELY reckless. Like considering what we know now in 40k, I wonder what coulld have happened if they had simply worked as liaisons between different human empires and using custodes and perpetual warriors as well as AI to free human worlds from enslaving xenos. I think if they had done that while playing a more active role within the galaxy, they might have been able to avoid a lot of the problems they encountered over the coursse of the Horus Heresy and into 40k. Of course we can never really be to sure what might have happened. What new dangers they may have faced but still, a lot of their mistakes seemed like they could have easily been avoided if he just supported mankind from the bench.
So you're saying the emperor pushed his various sons into heresy and loyalty. That's absolutely stupid. Everything that went wrong is the emperors fault if this is true. It explains his actions sure but to take into account every drop of water in an endless crashing waves of the ocean of time is the dumbest shit I've ever heard and thinking the best way to deal with it is to self sabotage yourself is even more moronic
Yes that is exactly what I am saying, because if you are familiar with the lore then you must know that half of the primarchs were expected to fall to chaos, and the warmaster would become chaos pawn. The problem is that you are not understanding how precognition works in W40K and that is why you think it is moronic. All Malcador and The Emperor ever did was plan contingencies for changes that would happen to their plans, and by changes I mean things out of their control. Ok lets say they are nice to every primarch, chaos takes half anyway, but this time it takes Lion, Guilliman, Dorn, Sanguinius, is that better outcome, because they were nice to all of them so it was a gamble which ones would be claimed by chaos instead of rejects and broken primarchs they wanted chaos to have? Which Primarch would have hesitated like Horus did in End And Death Vol III? Would fully chaos engulfed Sanguinius hesitate if he would become Warmaster? Sanguinius dont care about Loken but Horus did. Just think about it. They couldn't predict the future but they saw all possible variations of it, and they were trying to nudge it in the way which was least destructive to humanity. I dont know who you called stupid, Emperor, or me for thinking this way, but usually when a person starts out his argument with insults, it usually isn't really good argument.
@TheLostPrimarch no not you. You seem like a pretty decent bloke. This is more of a rant at the writers. I was calling the emperor stupid. I get the need for plans and contingency and I get that you can't plan for everything but he tries to predict a future against entities that exist within and without time and space. I get future sight is basically a crapshoot at the largest probability but to actively shoot yourself in the foot because I saw the future is incredibly stupid. The destruction of the web way project is literally his own fault. Every fall, every betrayal, every death is the emperors fault. And the kicker is he played right into chaos's hands. Literally gave the gods exactly what they want. Perpetual suffering and war
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Big E really named one of his kids Heresy and wonder why he Horus'd
Just call all of your children Child 1, 2, 3 ,4 etc, done
@@TheLostPrimarchLol he does call Angron by number. 😂
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The emperor is the god of sacrifice, all of his so-called mistakes, like treating half of his sons like shit and making them hate each other was to create perpetual war, and thus perpetual sacrifice. Every time guardsmen dies for no reason in the name of the Emperor… just charging up that battery. Once you look at the entire 40 K universe like that, you realize he’s a genius, possibly evil or it was the only way to beat the chaos gods. Even Malcador dying, made him much more powerful because it was his great sacrifice.
Exactly. I couldn’t have said it better!
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@@DanielJoyce no he is a true god in his way of thinking
I doubt that was the plan he wanted to go with, but one final throw of the dice can be all the difference when all life, time and sanity are on the line. That blade cut deep indeed.
At the end of the story where Malcador is talking to Sibyl Neaster, he asks of the Emperor (who is not in the room) "Why do you always make me lie to them?".
That is what I explained too.
Malcador truly was a man of culture, he gave thumbs up to the conservatory project. What a gent, love the video as always thank youuu x
Clausewitz said “No plan survives contact with the enemy.” How much more true that must be if the enemy is the stream of time, chance, and fate itself.
Indeed, time will make everything erode
"The TRUTH? OK OK OK... is the door closed? The Emperor and I are the two heads of Tzeentch. Now get back to work."
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The main problem is that the time and the warp are connected, that's why it's impossible to predict the future, it has many ways, or it could be still like we saw in the last book of the Heresy.
And also it's a priceless thing, Malcador explicitly said "we never had enough time, we always were in a hurry" and it's true, knowing what's on the stake.
".. The best laid plans of mice and men.."
Who else parties like they are in a club at the start of each vid? lol
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The emperor sitting on a chair in eternal agony watching over his shithole galaxy: heh… just as planned
Not planned, a backup
i think now we should know that malcador wasnt a child of the emperor. he kept calling him his friend. not father.
Look, do you really believe such relationships go the usual way? And do you think Emperor would allow Malcador to know that Malcador is his son?
@@TheLostPrimarch well, the primarchs are his genetic sons and he calls them sons sometimes. i think. would it hurt the relationship if he knew he was his son? i doubt it. but i'm not the lore expert
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Malcador the sigillite? More like Malcador the simp for telling Sibel everything and then coping by claiming he lied /s
I mean she was dying so it didnt matter what he told her anyway lol
If you want to get into the issues with foresight, you really need to read the first four Dune books. (In general, stick to Frank Herbert's only, Brian Herbert only wrote cheap trash.) The conversations there are great, but you actually get a resolution of sorts. What was being built was a (in 40k terms) race of blanks without the negative consequences, so the human race could not be tracked by prescience, well, at least directly.
As for the question of this video, GW wants is murky to keep it "interesting". Some of the most curious plot points are either GW's stupidity or marketing type ploys. 20 Primarchs, half loyal, half traitor, with two "missing" so players could paint homebrew chapters/legions with one traitor, one loyal.
Tzeentch to Malcador: "Plan? Do I really look like a guy with a plan?"
All in serious the problem with the Emperor's foresight is that even though it is better then the Eldar's he is only seeing a limited amount of subjective timelines with how far his senses, perceptions, and awareness can see, he's not seeing a objective future and no matter how many timelines he perceives they are only subjective ones. It wouldn't matter if he saw a hundred thousand or a million if they were fluid and different external factors not accounted for suddenly happen. Neither he nor the Chaos gods are truly omniscient as even the Warp has it's limitations. Even Tzeentch despite his title and claims and what his realm is about simulating all kinds of Chaos Fate weaving, doesn't know absolutely everything for certain as he did not know what even the Well of Eternity was.
Even for the Emperor and Tzeentch would be extremely hard to know absolutely all variables and account them constantly in the regular galaxy alone. All those interests, all those intentions, choices, and wills are something extraordinary hard to observe and remember properly constantly and predict at the moment. It's too much information to process. It would like a miniature experience of Stephen King's the jaunt or the Planck-zero ai from Xeelee Sequence which is information overload.
Even the formation of the Dark King's time was a subjective thing and not going to happen for a while. I don't even think an Omega Plus Psyker could handle Yog Sothoth or Scarlet King levels of cosmic knowledge before mentally shutting down and going into a breakdown.
I think that Malcador and the emperor, despite there intentions, were extremely, and I do mean EXTREMELY reckless. Like considering what we know now in 40k, I wonder what coulld have happened if they had simply worked as liaisons between different human empires and using custodes and perpetual warriors as well as AI to free human worlds from enslaving xenos.
I think if they had done that while playing a more active role within the galaxy, they might have been able to avoid a lot of the problems they encountered over the coursse of the Horus Heresy and into 40k. Of course we can never really be to sure what might have happened. What new dangers they may have faced but still, a lot of their mistakes seemed like they could have easily been avoided if he just supported mankind from the bench.
I think this where we should focus more on the precognition and time - they were running out of time, they had to move
@@TheLostPrimarch fair but still reckless
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So you're saying the emperor pushed his various sons into heresy and loyalty. That's absolutely stupid. Everything that went wrong is the emperors fault if this is true. It explains his actions sure but to take into account every drop of water in an endless crashing waves of the ocean of time is the dumbest shit I've ever heard and thinking the best way to deal with it is to self sabotage yourself is even more moronic
Yes that is exactly what I am saying, because if you are familiar with the lore then you must know that half of the primarchs were expected to fall to chaos, and the warmaster would become chaos pawn.
The problem is that you are not understanding how precognition works in W40K and that is why you think it is moronic. All Malcador and The Emperor ever did was plan contingencies for changes that would happen to their plans, and by changes I mean things out of their control.
Ok lets say they are nice to every primarch, chaos takes half anyway, but this time it takes Lion, Guilliman, Dorn, Sanguinius, is that better outcome, because they were nice to all of them so it was a gamble which ones would be claimed by chaos instead of rejects and broken primarchs they wanted chaos to have? Which Primarch would have hesitated like Horus did in End And Death Vol III? Would fully chaos engulfed Sanguinius hesitate if he would become Warmaster? Sanguinius dont care about Loken but Horus did.
Just think about it. They couldn't predict the future but they saw all possible variations of it, and they were trying to nudge it in the way which was least destructive to humanity.
I dont know who you called stupid, Emperor, or me for thinking this way, but usually when a person starts out his argument with insults, it usually isn't really good argument.
@TheLostPrimarch no not you. You seem like a pretty decent bloke. This is more of a rant at the writers. I was calling the emperor stupid. I get the need for plans and contingency and I get that you can't plan for everything but he tries to predict a future against entities that exist within and without time and space. I get future sight is basically a crapshoot at the largest probability but to actively shoot yourself in the foot because I saw the future is incredibly stupid. The destruction of the web way project is literally his own fault. Every fall, every betrayal, every death is the emperors fault. And the kicker is he played right into chaos's hands. Literally gave the gods exactly what they want. Perpetual suffering and war
the primarches were cards that need to evenly shared on the table, emperor need to pick, draw, hold and discard before going all in.