This is what we need, practical advice without investing unnecessarily all our hard-earned in big ticket items. Good idea for bikepacking where space is often at a premium. I've found that one of the things that really boosts the insulation of any sleep system is an insulated mat. Usually a little heavier than a normal one but it allows you to save weight elsewhere in the system.
Thanks Johnny, glad that you liked the review and found it to be helpful - and yes, a insulated mat makes a lot of difference - the heat does get sucked out of you through the ground! Thanks for watching!
This will only work with mild UK winter days, I will tell you. If you really drop down the zero celcius you will live but you will be extremely uncomfortable. When I went to Sweden past winter at -10 I used my -17C Sierra designs Nitro bag with a tyvik cover and a liner under my tarp. Happy I had that system.
Yea, I wouldn't use this system in Swedish winters or up in the mountains... but for one of two nights on Dartmoor it has done me well. I have always said that once I start to head up into more dramatic mountain ranges, and start going abroad more, i would certainly start to buy more suitable gear.
Year late with a comment. I was just poking around and came across this . As a pensioner im on limited funds and throwing dosh at items is way beyond me. So affordable alternatives are really important to thousands of people. Thanks for this idea and happy xmas to you and your family Trevor. Lee🖖
Just got mine today. With a thin liner I think it will go down to about 40F. Love how small it packs down and it also took almost a pound off of my total kit weight.
Yea, its a great bag for saving room and weight in the pack... but I must say that after last weeks camp in the cold (video goes live tonight) that even in the buvvy set up that i felt the cold... Time to find a smaller winter bag.
Hi Trev I had a 3/4 length zip put into the side of my army gortex bivy bag it cost next to nothing but it makes life so easy getting into it and since I use it undercover it still stays waterproof keep up the good work 😁😁
Very useful video! I struggle with the size of my winter bag too. To have the same weight at half the size and it still do the job, without shelling out a fortune is awesome.
I like your ingenuity and focus on how to get more from each bit of kit - well done! I am going to throw a very expensive option out, just for those looking for a different solution and because I have used this product in a lot of different conditions in Utah and Washington state, Western Mountaineering makes a wide range of bags that are all super light, very warm, 800+ fill and a zipper that never snags. Expensive, but maybe one of the best bags on the market and Made in the USA! No more Made in China if you can!
I do exactly the same thing, Ive got a Mountain Hardwear HyperLamina Spark 35 bag (got a great deal on it), a Sea to summit bag liner ( on offer at GoOutDoors) and a Alpkit bivvy, and never felt cold in the winter. Summer just use the bag, Autumn I use bag and liner, works perfect for me. 👍
I've just started getting my gear for my first bike packing ride, and your channel is really honest and informative :) I bought the CW280 when I saw it in your load-out video, seeing this in depth video is great, I do see it is a narrow fit. I will make a video of it on my first adventure :) keep up the great content!
Thnks very much - glad that you enjoy the videos and find them informative (you do realise that I am an idiot, right? Haha...) Never been one for all the spec to be honest, but I like to get out and test things and give my feedback. Hope you manage to get out on your own adventure soon. Thanks for watching!
@@SummitOrNothing Idiots unite! Well I can see clearly you enjoying it, and that's what matters to me :) I will let you know if I got my tent video setup :) stay safe there!
Genius! Thanks so much for this tip. I have been wondering if this exact sleeping set up is possible, but i don't yet have all the pieces so it was just speculation. Many many thanks 🙏 😊
I have been eyeing up the sea to summit liners - remember Nath had one and it looked pretty decent - mine is a cheap Trespass pollycotton thing, its like sleeping in a pillowcase lol.
Looking at emergency winter systems for the family as an emergency bug out should one day, god forbid, it l’s ever be required. I think a pad with r rating of 5+, Bivvy and a 4 season bag is the most efficient way to go rather than trying to haul a big tent as it spreads the load between us whilst I haul the other essentials but to go light you have to pay big bucks on the pad and sleeping bag. If want to know you could be warm enough to actually sleep in our harshest UK winter nights. Obviously wool hats socks and gloves etc helps. Interesting video. Will have to look at previous ones to see what pad you use because the killer is the cold on the ground.
Summer sleeping bags(1 season)are very small so I have used them for Winter camping twice as cold as -8c although the bag was rated only to 5c..You certainly feel the cold in 1 season bags in such temperatures but they are certainly better than nothing!I don't think that a bivy bag increases the temperature much but it does stop the wind draining your heat and obviously any damp.
I did something similar just recently, pairing an aegismax down bag, an art silk liner and a SOL escape bivvy bag. Comes in at just under a kg, sadly I haven't had a real chance at testing out its limits due to the lockdown and no access to outdoor spaces. Reassuring to hear that you managed to make a very similar setup work in the winter!
Ah, great minds think alike haha.... except somebody did suggest this to me, originally, but I couldn't track the comment! Anyway, thanks for watching and hope you get to test it out soon. Cheers!
Just another idea for packing your bivy/sleeping bag - you could roll everything up and clip it all together with some straps. Since your sleeping bag is protected in the bivy bag, you should be able to attach it to the outside of your pack.
Nice idea! I've got a new 'army bivvy' replica but it's super heavy. Very durable and loads of room, enough for a day pack I'd say. You've even got the option to use your walking pole at the front to hold the opening up if you sleep with it upside down (never tried that). I've just added a Snugpak jungle blanket to an old 3 season sleeping bag and that's been great, again, coupled with a liner. Great video by the way, thanks for sharing.
Size is always an issue! Seriously, a very interesting and informative video. Thanks for putting it out there. I always sleep in a long sleeve T shirt, long johns and socks to keep warm and keep the inside of my bag clean(er). If it's really cold I'll wear my outdoor clothes too! The drawback is, it makes life more difficult if you want a pee at 3 am! Stay safe and stay healthy. Cheers. Ken.
Cheers Eamon. My liner is only a cheapy thing from mountain warehouse and it has done the job of adding extra warmth. I will get a decent one at some point. Thanks for watching!
I got the thickened one, as people in the reviews are saying that temperatures are not so accurate like they advetising it, but close - don't mind the extra 200 grams, still light, and half cheaper than others
I have good luck with several smaller bags, than with one winter bag. One good rule to follow though is to layer them by size, so none has its insulation disturbed and elimenates conduction. Several small bags can be easier to pack than a big one as well.
That's a great idea - must admit - i took out my an broken old Naturehike down bag this weekend to act as a quilt over the top of my winter bag! Worked a treat!
One of the SOL Escape Bivvies or one from 2GoSystems would really lighten your load and add degrees as well. I own multiple army bivvies and both mentioned, they all serve a purpose and I love them!
Ordered one after watching this video. Should be arriving this week hopefully. Can't wait to get it out on the hills in the North West of Ireland. Got a liner in TK Maxx a few years ago and now I have a reason for its use too. 🙂
Any update on this? I'm looking for a sleeping bag that'll suit for around Ireland in during March and then around Europe from April into Autumn. Would love any recommendations if you have them.
Cheers for this review Trev. I bought one off the back of this and it arrived this morning. Looking to use it in the Peak District on my next wildcamp.
Clever thing to dual-purpose stuff you already have! As a lighter alternative for the goretex bivvi bag you might want to look at the Aegismax tyvek bivvi bag. Don't know how warm or watertight it would be, though.
Ah, not heard of that - will have a look. I must admit that the first Bivvy I bought was a mountain warehouse one and that was horrendous. Was waterproof, but unfortunately it was that water tight that it condensated pretty bad by the morning. That's when I just decided to for out for the army surplus one. Thanks for watching!
Another classic ultralight down sleeping bag range is by AegisMax. The have a couple of in the 500 gram range (under £100) with their Lower limit about +6c and one that's in the 750 gram range (just over £100) with a -2c Lower limit.
I have one, used on its own for summer, though I always have to add 10 deg to the given minimum temperatures. So far pleased. The coating does make it feel a bit clammy.
Have a look at the Nemo Azuea /Kyan bags on wild earth. I have the Azuea sleeping bag and it's absolutely amazing. Warmest and best thing I've ever owned. Extremely comfortable. You can compress it down pretty small or just put it in your pack and stuff it down the bottom and add your stuff on top. That's actually a great space saving solution. Cannot speak highly enough about that sleeping bag.
Good idea trev mate, I like the look of that bag, I like more space than the mummy bags provide... been looking at quilts of late! More money 🙄 hope all is well mate Ash
Yeah, its always more money, Ash. I'm at a point now where I feel I have most of what I need which is a good job with the purse strings tightening somewhat. Cheers for watching, bud.
I'd highly recommend the Cumulus top quilts! Custom made to order, best down you can get and therefore really warm for its weight 👍 I have a Cumulus Taiga 250 quilt, it weighs 470g and I've been down to 2c comfortably with no liners or Bivvi 😊
Sorry if this has already been said, but the weight was 520g not 52g (0.52Kg), however, that's still very light, much lighter and smaller than my current Eurohike Down Hybrid 500 Sleeping Bag.
Looks a good lightweight bag I have the Aegis Max down bag I bought it for bike touring looks identical have used it from early spring (last year) with just a liner never needed anything heavier intending to use it through the autumn this year.
I bought the vango Latitude 400 but it was so bulky I ended up using it to sleep in at home instead of a duvet. I ended up settling with the Naturehike ultralight goosedown for camping. Less bulky.
I do that too. also good for keeping a bulky sweater all rolled up nice and tight. you can also use the roll top and clips to clip it externally to a pack.
You're killing me here Trev!!... now I gotta buy a new Naturehike down sleeping bag 😂😂. I tell ya... Naturehike do some great value for money gear .. ok ok its all made in china but then frankly what isn't these days!! I imagine a mountain warehouse Exec must have had a hissy fit when you said "ok get rid of that and keep the bag!" 😁😂. I just ordered the new Naturehike 'Rock Series 60L Pack' … its supposed to come this week... ohhh I'm so excited !!! maybe do a review once I get out there camping on the trail , looks like we are still on for the end of June here in Michigan👍👍 ... anyhoo thanks again for a great video … ATB to you and yours, Dave Mc
Haha! Yeah, Mountain Warehouse would probably hate this video, lol... but to be fare, I do say how their sleeping bag has been a great buy for the price, and there are also links in the description. I look forward to hearing your feedback of your new pack - let me know when its live Cheers Dave!
I don't know if u do it but for my sleeping clothes like either long Johns, socks or shorts t shirt ect I pack all that with in my sleeping bag and compresses it all down in the stuff sack, saves a bit of space.
Yep, thats the trouble with most bags, I must admit, the mountain warehouse bag had been ok for the price, packed fairly small and kept me warm. Can't quite beat the down bag though, now I have finally made the plunge. Thanks for watching!
Use a cheap light sleeping bag but when its cold I wear british army softies for nightwear , they're cheap as chips, really comfy and perform brilliantly much better than spending a fortune on an over priced sleep system
Have you tried the other version? It’s £10 more and adds another 6 degrees. I’d love to see a comparison of them both tried out in the wild. It’s a fair size bigger but still a good size
Dude you are the reason why I am getting back into wild camping. Been buying the gear ready for lockdown to ease and let us on moors again. What tor would you recommend as a refresher that’s away from the crowd when pitching up
Great vid as always. Have you tried combining the two down bags, I've been using aegismax cheap down and a twenty quid costco down from ebay, works well. Keep up the vids😁
Thats a good idea, I have the zipless one I could probably pack in the really cold winter months... if we are allowed out camping by then that is... All the best
Trevor, great video. May I ask, that Naturehike looks really narrow, you look as broad as myself and not being able to spin around within the bag would drive me crazy....please advise.
Great vid Trev. I've also got the same Vango sleeping bag, decent bag but 1.5 is heavy. So I also invested in a Naturehike down, similar and rectangular but has a hood. Just need to get out there and use it now, won't be long :)
Ah that's great to hear, not seen the one with the hood. Sounds proper toasty. I think this time last year I first used my Naturehike, out for a camp on the SWCP, and it was really warm throughout the night. Glad I made the purchase.
Hey do you have a link to the one with a hood please? There seem to be lots of different sellers of these types of budget bags and never really sure which model is which. Very confusing.
@@PensiveCashew NOW I have no idea whether we are allowed to put links in here BUT this is one of them... Bare in mind there at 2 ratings for FP/ 500 and 750, therefore different pricing. Prices have risen again since I got mine. Also need to note my S Bag arrived quickly but my Tent is still on a slow boat from China in the Ocean somewhere :( the link and make sure you browse around, prices can vary, good luck... >> www.aliexpress.com/item/4000760705297.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.76535b2dFWo19y&algo_pvid=7ec1b03e-5e3b-4c8e-8f27-e8f826076aa8&algo_expid=7ec1b03e-5e3b-4c8e-8f27-e8f826076aa8-46&btsid=0b0a187b15921409599385584ea60f&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_
Trev, i'm looking at buying the Naturehike CW280 as a 4 season bag but combining it with an army goretex bivi bag during the colder months. I also use the Trekology UL80 mat. Will be camping in either a Vango Tempest Pro 200 or a DD 3x3 tarp. I prefer the tarp but the tent is also a great option. What's your thoughts on Naturehike down sleeping bags now? Are they worth the money or is it better to spend more on better quality... budget is limited!! The goal is to reduce pack size and weight we currently use Regatta 4 season bags but they are very bulky in size and weight. Thanks, Mike
Yes I do! Don't you ? lol. No, I was just saying that if I ever do forget to pack away into its loft bag, ten mins in the tumble drier brings some life back into it lol
@@SummitOrNothing Hi Trev. Yep, I always pack a tumble drier (and generator) especially for Dartmoor - it's a great way of drying socks! Ha ha. Great idea to repuff (is that a word?) up the sleeping bag. Keep on plodding and filming. Not being able to get to Dartmoor due to Tier restrictions, your videos are the next best thing. Regards, Barry
New sub, binge watching yur reviews, good stuff. I've been trying to figure what I want to do for a winter system and having difficulty finding what I need without being stupid expensive. I'm short but with a stocky build so regular length bags fit my height but not my shoulders/chest...and to top it off I move and side sleep a fair bit too. What do you think this system you put together would go down to? (C is fine, I prefer metric or can convert to F easy enough) Thanks
Hi from New Zealand, Just looking at one of the Naturehike ULG400's, they still price at around £120 over here. Wondering whether theyre worth it. Have also been looking at a synthetic Rab Solar 4 for around the same price. Nowhere near as much compression though
good video on how you down sized to get a winter sleep system, question what temperature range is you winters in England, here in Canada where I live it can go down to -20 to-30 C so I use a heavy bag
Firstly, does thay down bag have a zip? Looked alittle snug for you? Down needs to be loose to be warm 🤔 and you need to be careful using a down bag in a bivvi as they can get condensation and ruin the down filling. Oh and a tip for storing it In your pack, just ram it straight into your pack or into a dry sack! The bivvi is waterproof so you don't need a stuff sack in that case, and if you're not using the bivvi, then use a dry sack 👍 I do that and it makes it alot easier to pack, it's lighter and its less faffing in the morning 😊
Yes the down does have a zip, and it was only tight because i was sat on it awkward. It is plenty roomy for me. Also, it is a water proof sleeping bag so the down is well protected from any condensation that may occur in the bivvy - not that any does as its breathable gortex anyway. And I must admit, that I have tried just stuffing sleeping bags into my backpacks before and can never seem to compress them as much as I can in a stuff sack, to be honest, and never get the same space left over for more of my gear. (I just realised that I have disagreed with every point that you have made, sorry about that, I wasn't being argumentative) Thanks for watching!
Hi I love this idea as I really can’t afford some of the expensive gear but bought myself the CW280 sleeping bag along with the cotton liner they also make and an Andes bivvy bag. What temps have you been out in this with so far? Also what material is your liner?
Last winter this did me proud, but I must admit that when I was out the other week in a single skinned tent, i was freezing cold all night and have since grabbed myself a heavier duty down bag... ua-cam.com/video/Oral-azXLhw/v-deo.html
Just want to encourage everyone who's looking for a down sleeping bag to try to find one that uses ethically sourced down. It's gruesome, but most down is produced by live plucking the birds, so they die a slow and painful death of having all their feathers ripped out. There are companies that make bags that don't use down that's live plucked, so please look for those. I know it's expensive, but we really shouldn't incentivize that kind of mass produced suffering. Or use a synthetic bag and take the weight and size penalty. I bet you'll still have fun!
This is a valid point, and Naturehike have issued this statement when asked in the past that 'their down has Non live-plucked products guarantee from China feather and down industrial association.'
Hey Trev, i hope you are well! Love your videos, keep doing what you do. I know this is an old video but hoping you see my comment, Is this still your current bag and sleep system? I have the British Army arctic sleeping bag (bouncing betty or something?) but its too bloody big, easily takes up at least half of my backpack so i wanted something a little more lightweight that i can use for all weathers, i have a woobie and wool blanket that i use to increase the temp rating as i still find the army bag a bit cold sometimes (just bag on its own not the full sleep system), would you still recommend the naturhike or has something else replaced it in the last 2 years?
Hi ya. I have since got myself a decent down bag, with a good extreme temp and tucks down into my pack well, but I did use this set up for a good couple of winters.
@@SummitOrNothing Fantastic, thanks for the reply! What bag is it? Maybe you could do a new video with a low, mid and higher price sleeping system comparison :) I'm always too cautious to pull the trigger on a sleeping bag sometimes, i'd hate to spend on one and end up going back to my army bag.
The naturehike price + liner price + bivvy bag price would be greater than a proper 4-season down bag that's gonna be half the size and two thirds the weight of your final pack.
@@SummitOrNothing fair enough. I'm commenting based on my experience. I'm a cheapskate. I don't like overpaying for stuff. But buying budget hiking gear might end up being more costly or inconvenient than buying the proper stuff to begin with.
I realise this is a 'summer bag' but I've just come across the 'Naturehike Snowbird' a winter bag, which looks to be pretty good value .. have you seen it yet ?
I've done something similar with my budget setup. Aldi Ultralight Bag (7 degree limit) with an OEX Furnace 8 thermalon liner (adds 8 degrees to your system, OEX Bush Pro bivvy bag (couple more degrees plus windproof and moistureproof) and a Forclaz Ultralight Inflatable Sleeping Pad - ALL fits into a British Army Jungle Bag Compression sack. I reckon it would get me down to about -3 ish (I'm a warm sleeper). I will have to do a video on it with some weights and measurements. If I switched out the bag for the Naturehike CW280 then I'd have a proper UK winter system. Also, check out the Widesea down bag on Aliexpress. Looks like the same item as the Naturehike just a different brand. Love your videos!
Mate why don't you leave the sleeping bags at home and just climb up inside that Barnet lol Looks lovely and warm 🤣 Good stuff mate I've looked at that nature hike bag a few times I'll probably get one eventually. Take it easy bud 👍
😂😂 That thatch is proper toasty mate haha - I refuse to have the clipper across my head, mate. Its a good little bag, mate. Well worth a look, I reckon. Take care chief!
You say it's comfortable and has lots of room but it looks tight on you . Anyway I have that bag and the zipper broke after just 1 year. Also there is an aweful smell when you wash it, maybe having to do with how the down is sourced? Don't know, but it stank. That said, it is light weight and I have used it to 45 F degrees.
It was only because I was sat on it in the vid - I have been using it for a year and it has been roomy and warm. Not found that it smells either, but thanks for your feedback.
Why did you not just put the mountain wear house and other sleeping bag with the sleeping bag line together and make winter bag that way as i be there fit in sleeping bag case better
The mountain warehouse bag wouldnt compact with the bivvi bag into the stuff sack, and I have trouble stuffing it into my backpack without the pack. Plus - the down is warmer and made more sense to me to take that one.
This is what we need, practical advice without investing unnecessarily all our hard-earned in big ticket items. Good idea for bikepacking where space is often at a premium. I've found that one of the things that really boosts the insulation of any sleep system is an insulated mat. Usually a little heavier than a normal one but it allows you to save weight elsewhere in the system.
Thanks Johnny, glad that you liked the review and found it to be helpful - and yes, a insulated mat makes a lot of difference - the heat does get sucked out of you through the ground! Thanks for watching!
If you put a silver survival blanket (super cheap a weighs nothing) under a sleeping mat, facing the body, it's now an insulated mat.
Ive been using the Naturehike down bag for 5 years now. Great lightweight and very compact!
You absolute legend, thanks for this - saved me a fortune probably. Gave you a mention on my recent Dartmoor video as your channel has been so useful.
This will only work with mild UK winter days, I will tell you. If you really drop down the zero celcius you will live but you will be extremely uncomfortable. When I went to Sweden past winter at -10 I used my -17C Sierra designs Nitro bag with a tyvik cover and a liner under my tarp. Happy I had that system.
Yea, I wouldn't use this system in Swedish winters or up in the mountains... but for one of two nights on Dartmoor it has done me well. I have always said that once I start to head up into more dramatic mountain ranges, and start going abroad more, i would certainly start to buy more suitable gear.
Year late with a comment.
I was just poking around and came across this .
As a pensioner im on limited funds and throwing dosh at items is way beyond me.
So affordable alternatives are really important to thousands of people.
Thanks for this idea and happy xmas to you and your family Trevor.
Lee🖖
Just got mine today. With a thin liner I think it will go down to about 40F. Love how small it packs down and it also took almost a pound off of my total kit weight.
Yea, its a great bag for saving room and weight in the pack... but I must say that after last weeks camp in the cold (video goes live tonight) that even in the buvvy set up that i felt the cold... Time to find a smaller winter bag.
Hi Trev I had a 3/4 length zip put into the side of my army gortex bivy bag it cost next to nothing but it makes life so easy getting into it and since I use it undercover it still stays waterproof keep up the good work 😁😁
Hi Stephen, thats a great tip, thanks. May consider that myself. Cheers!
Very useful video! I struggle with the size of my winter bag too. To have the same weight at half the size and it still do the job, without shelling out a fortune is awesome.
Yea, me too. The Vango was just too big to take out for the winter so I knew something had to change. Good job I had the bivvy. Thanks for watching
I like your ingenuity and focus on how to get more from each bit of kit - well done! I am going to throw a very expensive option out, just for those looking for a different solution and because I have used this product in a lot of different conditions in Utah and Washington state, Western Mountaineering makes a wide range of bags that are all super light, very warm, 800+ fill and a zipper that never snags. Expensive, but maybe one of the best bags on the market and Made in the USA! No more Made in China if you can!
Its all about making the most out of what you have over here, and trying to get the best for your dollar. Cheers for watching!
I do exactly the same thing, Ive got a Mountain Hardwear HyperLamina Spark 35 bag (got a great deal on it), a Sea to summit bag liner ( on offer at GoOutDoors) and a Alpkit bivvy, and never felt cold in the winter. Summer just use the bag, Autumn I use bag and liner, works perfect for me. 👍
Cool - glad to hear that this set up also works for you! Cheers for your feedback!
You just saved me a fortune on getting a winter sleeping bag. I have the bivvy bag and didnt think of this!
My pleasure!
Good to see that it comes with a mesh bag for storage and that you're saving weight even in the winter months.
Yeah, its handy OK. Good bit of kit. Cheers for watching!
I've just started getting my gear for my first bike packing ride, and your channel is really honest and informative :) I bought the
CW280 when I saw it in your load-out video, seeing this in depth video is great, I do see it is a narrow fit. I will make a video of it on my first adventure :) keep up the great content!
Thnks very much - glad that you enjoy the videos and find them informative (you do realise that I am an idiot, right? Haha...) Never been one for all the spec to be honest, but I like to get out and test things and give my feedback. Hope you manage to get out on your own adventure soon. Thanks for watching!
@@SummitOrNothing Idiots unite! Well I can see clearly you enjoying it, and that's what matters to me :) I will let you know if I got my tent video setup :) stay safe there!
Genius! Thanks so much for this tip. I have been wondering if this exact sleeping set up is possible, but i don't yet have all the pieces so it was just speculation. Many many thanks 🙏 😊
I do a similar thing. I have a 3 degree bag, seatosummit liner and a SOL bivy bag. All season sleep system 👍
I have been eyeing up the sea to summit liners - remember Nath had one and it looked pretty decent - mine is a cheap Trespass pollycotton thing, its like sleeping in a pillowcase lol.
Looking at emergency winter systems for the family as an emergency bug out should one day, god forbid, it l’s ever be required. I think a pad with r rating of 5+, Bivvy and a 4 season bag is the most efficient way to go rather than trying to haul a big tent as it spreads the load between us whilst I haul the other essentials but to go light you have to pay big bucks on the pad and sleeping bag. If want to know you could be warm enough to actually sleep in our harshest UK winter nights. Obviously wool hats socks and gloves etc helps. Interesting video. Will have to look at previous ones to see what pad you use because the killer is the cold on the ground.
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Wish i found this video earlier. Will deffo check out the sleepong bag.
Summer sleeping bags(1 season)are very small so I have used them for Winter camping twice as cold as -8c although the bag was rated only to 5c..You certainly feel the cold in 1 season bags in such temperatures but they are certainly better than nothing!I don't think that a bivy bag increases the temperature much but it does stop the wind draining your heat and obviously any damp.
Great T-shirt dude!
Cheers Mads..... I wanted the Vic 20 one but they didnt have it in sock at the time😂😂
Woah, Vic 20!!! We've still got ours knocking about in our parents attic somewhere haha 😂.
@@Mads7Six I used to play Radar Ratrace as if it was the only game that existed... Back then it may have been 🤣
before the experimental "amiga" stage of the band...
were the classics
Thumbs up for the shirt! 🥳
top review again brother - very much appreciated! love your channel Trev
I did something similar just recently, pairing an aegismax down bag, an art silk liner and a SOL escape bivvy bag. Comes in at just under a kg, sadly I haven't had a real chance at testing out its limits due to the lockdown and no access to outdoor spaces. Reassuring to hear that you managed to make a very similar setup work in the winter!
Ah, great minds think alike haha.... except somebody did suggest this to me, originally, but I couldn't track the comment! Anyway, thanks for watching and hope you get to test it out soon. Cheers!
I had the Vango latitude 300 as well. Did my head in. So bit the bullet and bought the Alpkit Skyhigh 700
Ah cool - I will look out for that one cheers (did a quick google but it didn't turn up so not sure if its been discontinued?!)
Just another idea for packing your bivy/sleeping bag - you could roll everything up and clip it all together with some straps. Since your sleeping bag is protected in the bivy bag, you should be able to attach it to the outside of your pack.
Thats agood idea, cheers Alain! I'll bare that in mind!
Nice idea! I've got a new 'army bivvy' replica but it's super heavy. Very durable and loads of room, enough for a day pack I'd say. You've even got the option to use your walking pole at the front to hold the opening up if you sleep with it upside down (never tried that).
I've just added a Snugpak jungle blanket to an old 3 season sleeping bag and that's been great, again, coupled with a liner.
Great video by the way, thanks for sharing.
Size is always an issue! Seriously, a very interesting and informative video. Thanks for putting it out there. I always sleep in a long sleeve T shirt, long johns and socks to keep warm and keep the inside of my bag clean(er). If it's really cold I'll wear my outdoor clothes too! The drawback is, it makes life more difficult if you want a pee at 3 am! Stay safe and stay healthy. Cheers. Ken.
Hahah! I know the feeling Ken. Cheers!
I tried a bottle of peache tea of 1/2 liters and it worked so well that I would like to try it at Home too ahha
Love the idea atm trying a serious liner that supposedly adds 8 degrees hopefully will work with my down sleeping bag.
Cheers Eamon. My liner is only a cheapy thing from mountain warehouse and it has done the job of adding extra warmth. I will get a decent one at some point. Thanks for watching!
Mylar or space blankets reflect up to 90% of your body heat and you can get them cheap off amazon maybe try one of those
@@Scott-rg8mr as in put under the sleeping pad for warmth?
@@eamonfitzpatrick8580 you could do that but personally i wrap it around myself inside the sleeping bag
@Scott 2001, I'd think that'd be a recipe for sweat/condensation, wouldn't it?
I got the thickened one, as people in the reviews are saying that temperatures are not so accurate like they advetising it, but close - don't mind the extra 200 grams, still light, and half cheaper than others
Using this bag in 2 days for the first time. Going down to 5C. Bringing a liner.
Good luck. Hope you find it as comfy as I have. Cheers!
I have good luck with several smaller bags, than with one winter bag. One good rule to follow though is to layer them by size, so none has its insulation disturbed and elimenates conduction.
Several small bags can be easier to pack than a big one as well.
That's a great idea - must admit - i took out my an broken old Naturehike down bag this weekend to act as a quilt over the top of my winter bag! Worked a treat!
One of the SOL Escape Bivvies or one from 2GoSystems would really lighten your load and add degrees as well. I own multiple army bivvies and both mentioned, they all serve a purpose and I love them!
Ah, cool - I will bare those in mind - always on the look to reduce even further. Thanks very much!
@@SummitOrNothing IT'S BEAR IN MIND NOT BARE IN MIND
@@escapetherace1943 oh yea... I always thought that looked liked the wrong 🐻. Cheers for that.
They keep me warm, but I always find those so uncomfortable.
Ordered one after watching this video. Should be arriving this week hopefully. Can't wait to get it out on the hills in the North West of Ireland. Got a liner in TK Maxx a few years ago and now I have a reason for its use too. 🙂
Thats brilliant to hear, Chris - good luck with it!
Any update on this?
I'm looking for a sleeping bag that'll suit for around Ireland in during March and then around Europe from April into Autumn. Would love any recommendations if you have them.
@@jameshenehan9670 I would be careful using it in March but April til Sept should be okay. I found myself using it more as a quilt than a bag though.
Cheers for this review Trev. I bought one off the back of this and it arrived this morning. Looking to use it in the Peak District on my next wildcamp.
No worries - hope it suits you well.... na dthat you get to use it before too long. Cheers for watchig!
Bit late , but how was it
Clever thing to dual-purpose stuff you already have! As a lighter alternative for the goretex bivvi bag you might want to look at the Aegismax tyvek bivvi bag. Don't know how warm or watertight it would be, though.
Ah, not heard of that - will have a look. I must admit that the first Bivvy I bought was a mountain warehouse one and that was horrendous. Was waterproof, but unfortunately it was that water tight that it condensated pretty bad by the morning. That's when I just decided to for out for the army surplus one. Thanks for watching!
their down filled camp boots are not a bad shout too... ur missus will thank for a pair if u camp in winter only 56g or something like that
Love the tshirt Trev 🤟🤟
Cheers Karl!
Another classic ultralight down sleeping bag range is by AegisMax. The have a couple of in the 500 gram range (under £100) with their Lower limit about +6c and one that's in the 750 gram range (just over £100) with a -2c Lower limit.
Ah, cool - thanks for the heads up I will look into that, cheers!
I have one, used on its own for summer, though I always have to add 10 deg to the given minimum temperatures.
So far pleased. The coating does make it feel a bit clammy.
Cheers for your feedback, Mark! And thanks for watching!
Have a look at the Nemo Azuea /Kyan bags on wild earth. I have the Azuea sleeping bag and it's absolutely amazing. Warmest and best thing I've ever owned. Extremely comfortable. You can compress it down pretty small or just put it in your pack and stuff it down the bottom and add your stuff on top. That's actually a great space saving solution. Cannot speak highly enough about that sleeping bag.
Cheers for that - I will look into your recommendation - thanks for watching!
Thanks for great videos
Good idea trev mate, I like the look of that bag, I like more space than the mummy bags provide... been looking at quilts of late! More money 🙄 hope all is well mate
Ash
Yeah, its always more money, Ash. I'm at a point now where I feel I have most of what I need which is a good job with the purse strings tightening somewhat. Cheers for watching, bud.
I'd highly recommend the Cumulus top quilts! Custom made to order, best down you can get and therefore really warm for its weight 👍 I have a Cumulus Taiga 250 quilt, it weighs 470g and I've been down to 2c comfortably with no liners or Bivvi 😊
Nice T-shirt. I've got the same one in black, although I'm more of a Speccy guy myself so don't tell the lads.
thanks Trev really helped me
Glad to hear that, Maccas!
Nice!....great technique.
Sorry if this has already been said, but the weight was 520g not 52g (0.52Kg), however, that's still very light, much lighter and smaller than my current Eurohike Down Hybrid 500 Sleeping Bag.
Looks a good lightweight bag I have the Aegis Max down bag I bought it for bike touring looks identical have used it from early spring (last year) with just a liner never needed anything heavier intending to use it through the autumn this year.
Yea, I have heard they are pretty simialr sleeping bags. Handy to have them pack down so small. Thanks for watching!
That’s a brilliant setup!
Cheers Steven - I used it last year a few times through the winter and it was ok - bare in mind it was a relatively mild winter though.
Great idea that is bud, there's always, a option just have to work things out. Great video
ATB Adam 👍👍
Cheers Adam. Yea this worked out OK last year - have yet to try it in minus temperatures though. Thanks for watching!
I bought the vango Latitude 400 but it was so bulky I ended up using it to sleep in at home instead of a duvet. I ended up settling with the Naturehike ultralight goosedown for camping. Less bulky.
Yea - I know what you mean - I have the latitude too and it takes up a third of my winter backpack...
I've seen other wild campers use dry sacks trev for their sleeping bag good way to compress and get out the air.
Ah, that's a good idea. Cheers for that tip, Scott!
I do that too. also good for keeping a bulky sweater all rolled up nice and tight. you can also use the roll top and clips to clip it externally to a pack.
Thanks
Siiiiiick
Great tip.....I need a nice compressed sleeping bag system. 👍
Loving the videos...more so during Lockdown l🙂👍🌈
Thanks Karen. This set up has worked well for me. Thank you for watching, glad to have helped flattern the curve of monotony during this strange time.
Buy once, cry once. I have an alpkit hydroponic down bag and bivi. Worth saving up for :)
Thanks for the recommendation - I will look into it!
Love the shirt dude!
You're killing me here Trev!!... now I gotta buy a new Naturehike down sleeping bag 😂😂. I tell ya... Naturehike do some great value for money gear .. ok ok its all made in china but then frankly what isn't these days!! I imagine a mountain warehouse Exec must have had a hissy fit when you said "ok get rid of that and keep the bag!" 😁😂.
I just ordered the new Naturehike 'Rock Series 60L Pack' … its supposed to come this week... ohhh I'm so excited !!! maybe do a review once I get out there camping on the trail , looks like we are still on for the end of June here in Michigan👍👍 ... anyhoo thanks again for a great video … ATB to you and yours, Dave Mc
Haha! Yeah, Mountain Warehouse would probably hate this video, lol... but to be fare, I do say how their sleeping bag has been a great buy for the price, and there are also links in the description. I look forward to hearing your feedback of your new pack - let me know when its live Cheers Dave!
Hi, the scales show 0.52 kilos (520 grams). Still very light.
Nice vid Trev.
You ever used a good old fashion pattern 58 British Army bag? Weighs a bit,mind…
Good video - I enjoyed kilograms and grams being used interchangeably in about 7 different ways though haha
I don't know if u do it but for my sleeping clothes like either long Johns, socks or shorts t shirt ect I pack all that with in my sleeping bag and compresses it all down in the stuff sack, saves a bit of space.
That is a great tip - I may have to use that! Thanks very much!
Great video. I have just got a berghaus 200. Lovely bag but doesnt compress well
Yep, thats the trouble with most bags, I must admit, the mountain warehouse bag had been ok for the price, packed fairly small and kept me warm. Can't quite beat the down bag though, now I have finally made the plunge. Thanks for watching!
Use a cheap light sleeping bag but when its cold I wear british army softies for nightwear , they're cheap as chips, really comfy and perform brilliantly much better than spending a fortune on an over priced sleep system
Hi Thanks for the review, was wondering if you have used the Aegismax Nano and how this bag compares to that one, cheers.
For all you USA people you can find really good Winter Ultralight Down sleeping bags for $79 on Ebay they are called "Trail Lark Sleeping Bags"
Have you tried the other version? It’s £10 more and adds another 6 degrees. I’d love to see a comparison of them both tried out in the wild. It’s a fair size bigger but still a good size
Dude you are the reason why I am getting back into wild camping. Been buying the gear ready for lockdown to ease and let us on moors again. What tor would you recommend as a refresher that’s away from the crowd when pitching up
Thats great to hear, Christopher, really glad that you found us. Hopefully we will be able to camp soon. All the best!
Interesting way to do it . 👍😀
Cheer, Max. Making use of gear I already have.
Nice idea,Trev.
You ever used the British Army sleep system for the winter?
Big pack size,but I promise you,you won’t be cold.
Stay well.
No, I don't think I have, Soggz.
@@SummitOrNothing Give it a go, if you get the chance.👍🏾🇬🇧
My nature hike sleeping bag arrived today. It completes my wild camping gear for this summer and autumn. Yeehaa! 😃
Thats great - hope that you enjoy it!
Great vid as always. Have you tried combining the two down bags, I've been using aegismax cheap down and a twenty quid costco down from ebay, works well. Keep up the vids😁
Thats a good idea, I have the zipless one I could probably pack in the really cold winter months... if we are allowed out camping by then that is... All the best
Trevor, great video. May I ask, that Naturehike looks really narrow, you look as broad as myself and not being able to spin around within the bag would drive me crazy....please advise.
Great vid Trev. I've also got the same Vango sleeping bag, decent bag but 1.5 is heavy. So I also invested in a Naturehike down, similar and rectangular but has a hood. Just need to get out there and use it now, won't be long :)
Ah that's great to hear, not seen the one with the hood. Sounds proper toasty. I think this time last year I first used my Naturehike, out for a camp on the SWCP, and it was really warm throughout the night. Glad I made the purchase.
Hey do you have a link to the one with a hood please? There seem to be lots of different sellers of these types of budget bags and never really sure which model is which. Very confusing.
@@PensiveCashew NOW I have no idea whether we are allowed to put links in here BUT this is one of them... Bare in mind there at 2 ratings for FP/ 500 and 750, therefore different pricing. Prices have risen again since I got mine. Also need to note my S Bag arrived quickly but my Tent is still on a slow boat from China in the Ocean somewhere :( the link and make sure you browse around, prices can vary, good luck... >> www.aliexpress.com/item/4000760705297.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.76535b2dFWo19y&algo_pvid=7ec1b03e-5e3b-4c8e-8f27-e8f826076aa8&algo_expid=7ec1b03e-5e3b-4c8e-8f27-e8f826076aa8-46&btsid=0b0a187b15921409599385584ea60f&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_
@@cairnscrow8713 thanks that's a great help!
Nice video mate
Cheers mate
Trev, i'm looking at buying the Naturehike CW280 as a 4 season bag but combining it with an army goretex bivi bag during the colder months. I also use the Trekology UL80 mat. Will be camping in either a Vango Tempest Pro 200 or a DD 3x3 tarp. I prefer the tarp but the tent is also a great option.
What's your thoughts on Naturehike down sleeping bags now? Are they worth the money or is it better to spend more on better quality... budget is limited!! The goal is to reduce pack size and weight we currently use Regatta 4 season bags but they are very bulky in size and weight.
Thanks,
Mike
Great reviw (as always). Just one query - do you take your tumble dryer with you on a hike?
Yes I do! Don't you ? lol. No, I was just saying that if I ever do forget to pack away into its loft bag, ten mins in the tumble drier brings some life back into it lol
@@SummitOrNothing Hi Trev. Yep, I always pack a tumble drier (and generator) especially for Dartmoor - it's a great way of drying socks! Ha ha. Great idea to repuff (is that a word?) up the sleeping bag. Keep on plodding and filming. Not being able to get to Dartmoor due to Tier restrictions, your videos are the next best thing. Regards, Barry
@@barry3484 Glad that they are some kind of substitute during these times. Thanks ever so much for watching! Cheers and take care!
New sub, binge watching yur reviews, good stuff.
I've been trying to figure what I want to do for a winter system and having difficulty finding what I need without being stupid expensive. I'm short but with a stocky build so regular length bags fit my height but not my shoulders/chest...and to top it off I move and side sleep a fair bit too.
What do you think this system you put together would go down to? (C is fine, I prefer metric or can convert to F easy enough) Thanks
great video
Thanks very much!
Any idea on the mummy bags naturehike do?
Hi from New Zealand, Just looking at one of the Naturehike ULG400's, they still price at around £120 over here. Wondering whether theyre worth it. Have also been looking at a synthetic Rab Solar 4 for around the same price. Nowhere near as much compression though
good video on how you down sized to get a winter sleep system, question what temperature range is you winters in England, here in Canada where I live it can go down to -20 to-30 C so I use a heavy bag
Yeah.... I reckon I'd need to get new kit to survive in your climate, Craig haha. Thanks for watching!
I don't like the pertex materials they use for sleeping bags it doesn't breath very well and you wake up feeling clammy.
Please put in the title or description what the actual name of the bag is/was, as Nature Hike do loads of bags
Great review.A new subscriber 👍
Thanks, Macca! Glad you enjoyed it. Cheers for watching!
Firstly, does thay down bag have a zip? Looked alittle snug for you? Down needs to be loose to be warm 🤔 and you need to be careful using a down bag in a bivvi as they can get condensation and ruin the down filling. Oh and a tip for storing it In your pack, just ram it straight into your pack or into a dry sack! The bivvi is waterproof so you don't need a stuff sack in that case, and if you're not using the bivvi, then use a dry sack 👍 I do that and it makes it alot easier to pack, it's lighter and its less faffing in the morning 😊
Yes the down does have a zip, and it was only tight because i was sat on it awkward. It is plenty roomy for me. Also, it is a water proof sleeping bag so the down is well protected from any condensation that may occur in the bivvy - not that any does as its breathable gortex anyway. And I must admit, that I have tried just stuffing sleeping bags into my backpacks before and can never seem to compress them as much as I can in a stuff sack, to be honest, and never get the same space left over for more of my gear. (I just realised that I have disagreed with every point that you have made, sorry about that, I wasn't being argumentative) Thanks for watching!
Hi I love this idea as I really can’t afford some of the expensive gear but bought myself the CW280 sleeping bag along with the cotton liner they also make and an Andes bivvy bag. What temps have you been out in this with so far? Also what material is your liner?
Last winter this did me proud, but I must admit that when I was out the other week in a single skinned tent, i was freezing cold all night and have since grabbed myself a heavier duty down bag... ua-cam.com/video/Oral-azXLhw/v-deo.html
Just want to encourage everyone who's looking for a down sleeping bag to try to find one that uses ethically sourced down. It's gruesome, but most down is produced by live plucking the birds, so they die a slow and painful death of having all their feathers ripped out. There are companies that make bags that don't use down that's live plucked, so please look for those. I know it's expensive, but we really shouldn't incentivize that kind of mass produced suffering. Or use a synthetic bag and take the weight and size penalty. I bet you'll still have fun!
This is a valid point, and Naturehike have issued this statement when asked in the past that 'their down has Non live-plucked products guarantee from China feather and down industrial association.'
@@SummitOrNothing awesome! that's fucking wonderful!
Hey Trev, i hope you are well! Love your videos, keep doing what you do. I know this is an old video but hoping you see my comment, Is this still your current bag and sleep system? I have the British Army arctic sleeping bag (bouncing betty or something?) but its too bloody big, easily takes up at least half of my backpack so i wanted something a little more lightweight that i can use for all weathers, i have a woobie and wool blanket that i use to increase the temp rating as i still find the army bag a bit cold sometimes (just bag on its own not the full sleep system), would you still recommend the naturhike or has something else replaced it in the last 2 years?
Hi ya. I have since got myself a decent down bag, with a good extreme temp and tucks down into my pack well, but I did use this set up for a good couple of winters.
@@SummitOrNothing Fantastic, thanks for the reply! What bag is it? Maybe you could do a new video with a low, mid and higher price sleeping system comparison :) I'm always too cautious to pull the trigger on a sleeping bag sometimes, i'd hate to spend on one and end up going back to my army bag.
The naturehike price + liner price + bivvy bag price would be greater than a proper 4-season down bag that's gonna be half the size and two thirds the weight of your final pack.
I was just making a winter bag smaller than my current one with a sleeping bag and bivvy that i already owned.
@@SummitOrNothing fair enough.
I'm commenting based on my experience. I'm a cheapskate. I don't like overpaying for stuff. But buying budget hiking gear might end up being more costly or inconvenient than buying the proper stuff to begin with.
Can you do a review of naturehike down slippers/booties.
Until now - I have never even heard of such a thing. Will have a look out for some. Cheers!
I realise this is a 'summer bag' but I've just come across the 'Naturehike Snowbird' a winter bag, which looks to be pretty good value .. have you seen it yet ?
I've not received any of their other bags, mate. I shall have to have a peek!
I can’t find this bag anywhere
I've done something similar with my budget setup. Aldi Ultralight Bag (7 degree limit) with an OEX Furnace 8 thermalon liner (adds 8 degrees to your system, OEX Bush Pro bivvy bag (couple more degrees plus windproof and moistureproof) and a Forclaz Ultralight Inflatable Sleeping Pad - ALL fits into a British Army Jungle Bag Compression sack. I reckon it would get me down to about -3 ish (I'm a warm sleeper). I will have to do a video on it with some weights and measurements. If I switched out the bag for the Naturehike CW280 then I'd have a proper UK winter system. Also, check out the Widesea down bag on Aliexpress. Looks like the same item as the Naturehike just a different brand. Love your videos!
Trev, would you still recommend this or is there a better option please.
It's fine for summer. I also have one I got off ebay with a broken zip that I use as a secondary quilt in winter.
@@SummitOrNothing just won a new one off ebay for 67 quid... Bargain
Looks like a bit of a tight squeeze, and you forgot to cut the labels off.
freezing my ass off at around 43 F ....... returned it !!
Mate why don't you leave the sleeping bags at home and just climb up inside that Barnet lol
Looks lovely and warm 🤣
Good stuff mate I've looked at that nature hike bag a few times I'll probably get one eventually.
Take it easy bud 👍
😂😂 That thatch is proper toasty mate haha - I refuse to have the clipper across my head, mate. Its a good little bag, mate. Well worth a look, I reckon. Take care chief!
Im looking for a nice lightweight summer bag? any ideas guys.
You say it's comfortable and has lots of room but it looks tight on you .
Anyway I have that bag and the zipper broke after just 1 year. Also there is an aweful smell when you wash it, maybe having to do with how the down is sourced? Don't know, but it stank. That said, it is light weight and I have used it to 45 F degrees.
It was only because I was sat on it in the vid - I have been using it for a year and it has been roomy and warm. Not found that it smells either, but thanks for your feedback.
52 grams? Or 520 grams?
Yep....520grams probably. 0.52kgs Usually I read the thing wrong but end up saying 52kgs haha.
@@SummitOrNothing That's how much I weigh hahaha.
Why did you not just put the mountain wear house and other sleeping bag with the sleeping bag line together and make winter bag that way as i be there fit in sleeping bag case better
The mountain warehouse bag wouldnt compact with the bivvi bag into the stuff sack, and I have trouble stuffing it into my backpack without the pack. Plus - the down is warmer and made more sense to me to take that one.
An army compression sack with has more space would fit your kit in better then squash it down...