The Best Modular Sleep System Under £250 - Budget Camping
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- Опубліковано 5 чер 2024
- Do you want to spend a fortune on expensive sleeping bags and sleeping pads or do you want a budget sleep system that's guaranteed to work? In this video I will show you the budget modular sleep system I use....and best of all it costs under £250.
Links:
3F UL GEAR sleeping mat -
www.aliexpress.com/item/40010...
Sea To Summit Thermolite Reactor Extreme -
www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B003BIT00...
Aegismax Outdoor UL Sleeping Bag -
www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01GDWAC9...
SOL Escape Bivvy -
www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0075ZS09...
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Winter camping. It can seem daunting, especially to beginners. If you don't get your sleep system right you are in for a long, cold, sleepless night. Now people will lead you to believe that you need to spend hundreds upon hundreds on expensive sleeping bags and sleeping pads...well let me tell you that's not true. Today I will be showing you my budget modular sleep system and this thing works.
Modular sleep systems or MSS's were originally developed by the military but have also been adopted and adapted by outdoor enthusiasts. A sensible sleep system is generally made up of a ground mat or pad, a sleeping bag or quilt and - depending on temperature and comfort - a further insulation item like a sleeping bag liner. A modular sleep system allows you to use the same gear throughout all four seasons. All you have to do is add in or subtract out the items needed for the type of weather that you'll be dealing with.
The first part of my sleep system is this. 3F Ultra Light Gear sleeping mat. This is your ground insulation system. Now some of you prefer inflatable sleeping pads but I recently made the switch back to the foldable egg tray style mats. It's two centimeters thick and is the same length, 183 centimeters. However the 3F mat is 56 centimeters wide which is five centimeters wider than the Therm-a-rest. The 3F is also double sided with shiny aluminium foil creating more protective insulation from the ground. This is why it's rated as a four season mat. Finally the price. The 3F is half that price at £25. You will have to order from AliExpress so as long as you're patient enough to wait for international postage then I'd definitely get this mat. Okay, the next part of the sleep system is this. It is the Sea To Summit Thermolite Reactor Extreme. The Thermolite Reactor Extreme is the internal layer of the sleep system and is the first thing you will get into. Essentially it is a sleeping bag liner that sits inside the sleeping bag to keep its interior clean. This liner however has a 110 gram hollow core thermolite fabric which creates wonderful insulating properties. Sea To Summit claim it can improve your sleeping bags performance by up to 15 degrees celsius though to be honest it's best to take the manufacturer's claims with a pinch of salt. It's slightly tapered, has a draw cord hood which can be cinched down and is also super stretchy. I personally love how soft it feels against my skin - almost like soft cotton. Best of all the Thermolite Reactor Extreme only weighs 378 grams and packs down super small. You can pick them up just now for around £50 to £70.
The third item in the sleep system and probably the most important is the sleeping bag this is the Aegismax Ultralight. It's tiny and gets the job done. I absolutely love this sleeping bag. Made from 20D silnylon waterproof material, it's stuffed with 800 fill goose down. It's ridiculously light for a three season bag at just 544 grams and packs down extremely small. You've probably seen the regular lime version of the Aegismax UL before. Be aware that there are two versions out there - one with the hood and one without. I personally think it's worth spending the extra £20 to get the larger XL version with the draw cord hood. Also please be aware that the company seems to be rebranding to 'NEWDOAR'. It's the exact same product just a different label. So how much is the Aegismax UL sleeping bag? You can pick them up just now for around £70 to £90. Finally the last part of the sleep system, and what I like to refer to as the secret weapon in the arsenal, is the SOL escape bivvy. Although the SOL escape bivvy is essentially a fancy emergency foil blanket it works great as an outer shell for the sleep system as its reflective inner coating helps to retain body heat. The SOL escape bivvy weighs just 246 grams and packs down small. You can pick them up for around £45 to £55.
This is the Best Modular Sleep System Under £250 - Tested In Freezing Winter Conditions and perfect for budget camping. It weighs 1.7kg and is a 4 Season sleep system. Comprising of 3F UL Gear sleeping mat used with sea to summit thermolite reactor extreme. Then the aegismax outdoor ul sleeping bag was used along with the sol escape bivvy.
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Do you want to spend a fortune on expensive sleeping bags and sleeping pads or do you want a budget sleep system that's guaranteed to work? In this video I will show you the budget modular sleep system I use....and best of all it costs under £250. Watch to the end if you want to see me put it to the test in an overnight camp at -9°C.
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Hiking in the Scandinavian mountains for 30 years with substandard stuff I earned my Hilleberg tents, Western mountaineering sleeping bags and Exped downmats, thank you very well ;)
YOU ARE AWESOME! Thanks so much for the review!
Interesting video. The sol bivvi is a useful emergency addition to your kit but I wouldn't use it for anything but its intended designe purpose, imho it doesn't breath well, it's creates lots of moisture build up and though you might get away on an overnighter with it as in your demo, over two or more nights your sleeping bag will just be carrying too much condensation build up because of the sol bivi, and it's insulation value would be significantly compromised, especially if it's a down bag. A more suitable alternative to the sol bivi in a budget modular system would be a wool blanket. Heavier and more bulky but certainly warmer, way better moisture management, it holds heat when damp and ticks the budget box. I might have been tempted to use a synthetic sleeping bag also. Winter in the UK is cold and often wet or very damp air. Down is fantastic but not ideal for our predominantly damp climate. I think if budget is key, more forgiving materials make sense. They are slightly heavier and more bulky but winter kit is, even with high end offerings. Obviously it goes without saying there are many other equally important factors to sleeping warm in winter as in never sleep in your day wear, it will be damp, eat close to bed time, jog on the spot until your warm but not sweating so you dont get in your sleeping bag cold, stay hydrated, have a piss bottle to hand so you don't have to leave your shelter, hat, socks and gloves will help hold body heat and a buff will keep your mouth and nose protected and reduce condensation from your breath building up on your bag and shelter, use a nalgene bottle as a hot water bottle ect. If you wake up in the night cold, use your jacket and other spare clothing like quilts over your sleep system and don't forget insulation from the cold ground is as important as your sleeping bag which will be totally useless without it.
Interesting kit, and very reasonable prices.
One criticism, you didn't mention the clothing you were sleeping in, which can make a huge difference to the need for the various other items.
For example, in winter I would be sleeping in merino base layers and a lightweight down jacket and primaloft trousers, which can double up as camp wear and sleep wear, and maybe cutting out one of the bag layers.
I’ve used an emergency bivy (Silver plastic bag) on the outside of my sleeping bag and it caught so much moisture it was dripping wet. I even tried it as a sleeping bag liner which was one of the strangest experiences I’ve had. It was like a sweat suit !
You should never put those next to your skin. Too much moister will collect and make you even colder.
Great video, I think everyone new to camping in winter should try this at least once. I did, with exactly the same kit. I'd never do it again, unless in an emergency. I'm not a gear snob, but I do like to be safe and to sleep well. Still a very well presented video.
Thank you! I'm a larger guy and have found it impossible to find an affordable sleeping bag that's really compressible for hiking. That one looks ace 👌
Best video I’ve seen on the subject in quite a while , very helpful as it reflects what most of our financial situation will be ,if not in the future, what you speak to is the light weight nature of the kit as well of its adaptability through the seasons , brilliant ! Like one of the comments mentioned , was the clothing you already wear is a major point especially a wooly hat ,a great deal of heat is lost through the head as you probably know . The mat was a real steal , didn’t know that ! There is a point of science here though that’s worth a mention , foil only reflects radiant heat not convectional heat . The fabric of the bivi protects against heat loss through cold drafts (convection , forced Convection if there’s a stiff breeze), the foil does very little if at all , what this particular model (solar extreme ? ) is it’s breathable ,it’s worth it for that and light , a blanket would be better but there’s a weight penalty , Always felt there should be a warning against total reliability on the use of these , don’t use on their own if under 8°c . But that’s not your fault ! Great video , easy listening , I’ve subscribed 👍🏻
This is a great vid! one of those subjects I've been pondering for weeks and months to create a perfect sleep system. I've subscribed!
Huge thanks Paul. Really appreciate the sub too.
All the best, Ewan
I enjoyed your video, thank you for such good tips! I have subscribed 😊
Very interesting, I love seeing everyones kit and sleep systems. Thank you for sharing 👍 Rob
Thank you Rob. Much appreciated. 👍
Very simply, the British Army modular system, can be bought new for around £100 for both bags, £30 for the British Army Gortex bivi bag- I’ve never had a problem with moisture. I’ve slept in about -5 C in the medium bag alone, that with the lightweight bag combined will take you down to -20 C. The only drawback is the weight.
4kg medium 4.5kg large. £89 bargain 👌
They do the job. But they don’t pack down small and weigh a ton haha😂
Your presentation is on point, Ewan! Packed with info, well-done. I have the same liner and it works a treat! I’m sure a lot of campers will draw some inspiration from this. Cheers, Mari
Thanks Mari. Really appreciate your kind words. 🙂
Looking forward to your next upload. All the best. 👍
Hi Ewan, thank you for sharing your knowledge. I'm glad to have found you. Hello from the Swiss mountains
Agree with your choices as a good way of getting a cheap system that will keep you safe in all normal British weather where -10c is unusually cold. Only thing I would add is to maybe think about doubling up the sleeping pads. Adding a second pad or ideally a second z pad plus a plan foam pad sandwiched between to Z pads is quite cheep and takes ground insulation from R1 to R3. Also adds some comfort! Heat loss through the ground is you biggest enemy for cold weather camping. If your bag is a bit marginal you can always wear a jacket, thick socks, a hat etc but it is really hard to increase ground insulation.
That's an excellent setup. Good job!
I appreciate that. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment too.
All the best, Ewan
Thanks for sharing!!!! Just what I was looking for! 🙌
No problems Tash. Glad it was of some use.
All the best, Ewan
Hi Ewan , great vid , well explained at informative , thanks .
Thanks Bob. Really appreciate that. 👍
Agree with your conclusions. Have the same type of gear (and exactly the same thermolite extreme liner and SOL escape biv), also similar conditions sometimes in NZ. The only thing I'd say is the Escape biv is best used (if needed) as a liner under the bag instead of over it. This improves condensation management and make it feel way less claustrophobic too
I have heard of people layering emergency blankets under the mattress too - or like you said, over the mattress to reflect the heat and have another insulation layer. This is what I am planning to do if I ever get this cold (unlikely given the AEGISMAX I have goes lower - 0C-5C even if it's a bit of a heavier bag - and I'm not intending to go that low usually, and will just unzip the bag and use as a cover if it's warmer, or just use the liner if it's really warm! But I am planning to do more spring/autumn camping where the temps can plunge at night - in fact I was freezing in my old Karrimor bag in August! Hence the upgrades.)
Thanks Ewan for the Video, its exactly the info i was looking for. I was using two bags, and now im gonna try this sol bivy and a cheap fleece liner combo, to extend the temp range of my sleeping bag.
I’ve used this exact setup with a Klymit pad down to -2C. Really like it
Great work on video mate 👍👍👍
I'm glad I found this. I'm planning on buying a similar mat, a fleece bag liner and a SOL escape bivvy to sleep. A Hammock with tarp as shelter. Total cost less than $200 AUD. For fastpacking in the Aussie bush where nights can dip to 0C.
Really like your video, great down to earth style will watch more!
Glad you enjoyed Cherelle. Really appreciate that. 🙂
Great video well presented and edited. I’m really interested in the idea of sleep systems. I use a liner and bivvy to get more use from a 2 season bag and successfully slept through a -2 night. Makes so much sense, just like the clothing layering system. Base/mid layer and outer.
Thanks for that Eddie. I played about with different items but I found this combination turned out to be the best all rounder for weight price and effectiveness. Cheers for watching and commenting. Much appreciated. 👍
Great content as usual, Ewan. Keep it up.
Regarding your cold nose... a buff made of microfiber or cotton will do the trick, but I use the hood of my microfiber inner liner to cover that small part once I'm fully enclosed in my bag. Microfiber is very breathable, so you can breathe with ease and keep your nose nice and toasty. A cold nose is a kick in the baws when camping.
Thanks Monty. 🙂
Yeah a buff would be a good shout there. (Kinda kicking myself that I didn't think of that to begin with) 😂
Hope you're well mate.
All the best, Ewan
Excellent informative video, great to know can do does not have to cost a fortune and can be safe even in really cold weather. Thanks 👍😊
thanks Ewan it's similar to the purchases I've made but I've never seen -9C so it's nice to know you've tested it for us
Great video i've been thinking about layering for sleeping bag for a while, definitely worth it.
I appreciate the kind words Eric. Many thanks.
Great tips! Thanks!
Great video! I just got the British Army Modular Sleep System. It's fantastic and cost less than £70 all in with compression packs and liner!!
If that’s the two bag system,put it all in a British Army Gortex Bivvy!
Really warm!
All the best.👍🏾🇬🇧🏕
Good video, thanks mate
good advice, and quite affordable too, cheers
Recently used a Snugpak Thermalon Liner, wrapped inside a USGI Woobie blanket. With a Thermarest Xtherm pad⬅️ya that was not cheap. But motocamping requires ultralight and compact gear.
It got down to 5°C and I was comfortable. Adding the SOL Bivvy to the mix now👍
Modular system work best for me. All those items pack together to 6x8 compression bag. Only 2 inches wider than my mummy bag with same pad.
Wow, lots of snow, beautiful and very cold.
It sure was.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Thanks - I bought the AEGISMAX - but the warmer Nano 2L and the Sea To Summit Thermolite Liner cos of this video.
Also will definitely take emergency blankets in case that's not warm enough :-)
awesome system, I think getting a winter tent cover is also a key & adding a ground tarp would add a lot of value for not much money.
Thanks a lot for video! Very helpful, i am getting ready go wildcamping first time with my daughter and your video definitely helped us to get ready. Hopefully we won't freeze😅 we will see in couple of weeks
Great video, Ewan! I've been thinking of trying a decent closed cell mat for Winter as they are so simple and won't fail on you. I didn't know 3fUL did one, so will take a look👍 All the best!
I'd definitely recommend it Des. I was sceptical when I saw mine for £15 on the sale but it's been great.
Thanks for watching and commenting 👍
@@EwanGoesHiking Thanks. We need more vids like this. That 3F mat single sided alu is £20 right now but there are others like WIDESEA which are nearly half the price. I wonder if they're any different. If I get one I'll try the even cheaper.
Great choice, suggested this bag. Never heard of it.
Honestly I thought this was fascinating and a very honest review. I doubt I'd ever brave winter camping unless shtf but thanks for posting. It did occur to me that most of the gear you mention can be purchased via army surplus store but obviously you'd be buying British Army gear but at a fraction of the price......the only obvious trade off would be weight versus price. However BA arctic sleeping bags are truly a ting of wonder except for the weight 🤣
A well thought out sleep system, I think for me I could omit something from it, being I am from the colder climate of Michigan, but in an extreme situation, I would probably go with everything.
Another great vid! Thanks Ewan. Just got myself an OEX Leviathan sleeping bad (-7 comfort £135) and teamed it up with a basic Decathlon Bivi (£40ish) so the down doesn't get wet with condensation in the tent. I use a basic bag liner that I've had for ages... the first test overnight was in Blair Athol on Friday night and it was sooo warm (It was only -1/2 though. I went for the Thermarest Trail pad but thinking it maybe wasn't the best choice as not as deep as stated and not fully self-inflating but we live and learn!
Would love to hear your thoughts on cook systems if you fancy giving us your opinion on that aspect of camping. I struggle knowing how much gas to take for multi-day trips and sometimes wonder if I could just go without the stove and cold soak / eat processed snacks to keep going.
Thanks Roz. Sounds like you've got yourself a good wee setup there.
I generally take a new canister any time I go for a multi day (and possibly a mini cannister if it's cold temperature or there are no shops around to buy a replacement). I tried the cold soaking briefly....not my thing. 😂
Hope you are well
All the best, Ewan
Very good my current sleep system is Exped HL mat 365gs for 120, OMM mountain raid 100 sleeping bag 360gs for 200, Rab silk liner 100gs 50, Alpkit Kolne bivy 280gs 110, Tomshoo Pancho cut in half for a footprint under my set up, obviously I wear balaclava, gloves, baselayer Rab down like synetic jacket if the weather is cold. All of this and lots of other things fit into a 25L daypack. The bivy is the best I've ever tried almost Zero condensation issues.
Hullo Ewan, great wee video. I'm looking for some budget pads and sleeping bags for next hike with the Mrs, so will be looking into these items you mention. Took your previous review on the snagpak poncho, and been using it since.
I really appreciate that. Glad my recommendation for the poncho was useful. Please let me know if you pick up any of the stuff from my sleep system.
All the best,
Ewan
Love the honesty! Something scarce in the world of theatrical performance.
As others have said, probably only feasible for a base camp or bushcrafting project.
I do feel like processing wood in the dark is not an issue, provided you have a head torch. Finding wood/campsites and setting up camp wouldn’t be too pleasant in the dark for sure. Although I’m curious if a hammock hot tent wouldn’t be faster and easier to work with. Something like the Onewind hot tarp?
I imagine making campfires would almost be necessary to dry out clothes and gear anyway, so this is just a better way of using the heat produced.
Really cool. Thanks a Lot.
I appreciate that. Thank you 👍
Awesome vid! Looking for gear myself. Getting lost in the wood of high end bollock stuff I could never afford lol.
I wish we wil get some snow oneday ( Netherlands) as we had when I was a wee one ( ages ago)
Lol, that liner was the first thing I bought recently..had in mind layering up seeing the prices of good cold weather sleeping bags!
Hi, Ewan! When I get back into camping, I’ll know just the man to come to..! 😂
Thanks 😂 Good luck with the new single. Sounds great. 👍
Not in a million years is that Aegismax bag suitable for anything close to 0c , ive had a LETO for 3 years that is very similar and you certainly regret using it when its even around 5c/6c and thats with using a bivy/synmat and wearing a down jacket and leggings. Great compact bags for 2-3 season but thats it.
I hope to see you back on here soon!
Awesome beard!!!
A very well-presented video and some great tips.
I want o get back into wild camping this year after a gap of about 12 years. I was all set to buy an inflatable mat this week (Forclaz Trek 700 at Decathlon) but may consider a folding mat instead.
Have subscribed to your channel and will work my way through the videos.
Regards from Whitley Bay
Really appreciate the kind words Brian. Hope you do get back into wild camping again.
Thanks for subbing. Gave you a wee sub back. All the best, Ewan 👍
I own the mat, it's pretty good. The only thing that the R value is 1.5,they state it's good for +8 degrees Celsius,i have yet to test that out this summer.
Excellent 😄🏴👌🏽
Thanks Robbie.
All the best,
Ewan
Pulling a buff down over my eyes and nose has worked for me in the past to keep my nose and face warmer without restricting my breathing.
A few folk have mentioned that now. I do always carry a merino wool buff...no idea why I didn't think of using it that night? #hindsight 😂
Super video. I use a klymit insulated static V mat £55 along with an aegismax nano bag £60 which gets me through late spring, then summer as a quilt and into autumn I then use the nano2 £75 and in winter I put one inside the other. Total of £190 and just under 2kg. It’s done me fine to -3 and I’d be happy to -7 I’d guess. Like yourself, the only thing keeping me awake was a cold nose. I like the look of the 3ful mat and I’ve had my eye on the S2S reactor. How is it inside your aegiesmax for wiggle room ?
i tried the same system but on a different mat. I would say with the sol escape bivvy it was too tight for me to get a good night sleep especially if are like me and move around at night. But it did keep me warm enough.
Good point about claws and mats.
Yup, it'll be a while before I use an inflatable again I think 😂 Hope you're well mate. 👍
@@EwanGoesHiking All good. I don't think I could go back to a closed cell job :)
Oddly enough, my own sleep system is similar, but needs tweeking. I use a 3 seasons inflatable pad but with a foam pad for extra insulation: lesson 1, the smooth aluminised pad I used last time was too slippy and I spent a lot of time trying to centre the two pads, I have used emergency blankets both on top and underneath and found them too much of a fiddle. My other equipment is the Aegismax Nano and the S2S Reactor extreme which I love for feel, extra warmth and keeping the sleeping bag clean. Thanks for the video, I'll now be looking at the Sol Bivvy.
Hey Andrew. That is a fairly similar system. Were it not for my dog being in the tent I'd be incorporating an inflatable too (but we have to work around our situations). Let me know how you get on with the SOL escape bivvy. All the best, Ewan
@@EwanGoesHiking ahh, my dog will only sleep in the big tent! She's too feart of flapping tent fabric.
Cracking video, just ordered the sleeping bag 👍 what budget inflatable matt would you recommend?? I don't have space for the type of matt you showed here... Thank you 😊
Ooh nice to see some love for 3F UL - I use one of their one-man tents....also this is really useful as I'm looking at that liner and maybe a new bag for decent UK 3 season stuff (even in August with a good cold-weather inflatable Thermorest matt I was cold some nights with my old '3 season' Karrimor bag and had to pile on all my layers).
Is your tent the Lanshan 1 by any chance? Ive got the pro and absolutely love it to bits. Let me know what liner and bag you decide on.
All the best, Ewan
@@EwanGoesHiking also I accidentally bought a Mountain Hardwear Lamina -1C, new - I left a crazy bid on eBay and assumed it would be outbid cos it was half-price, their starting bid....and I got it!
So that's backup, or I might sell it, I've briefly tried it and that is REALLY warm, but it is quite heavy. But might be better for rain?
Thanks for this, it gets a little frustrating sometimes listening to all the label snobs. *New subscriber 👍
Good stuff 👍
Thanks Christine 👍
interesting combination..
I have yet to test sol bivy, but it is bit small for. me.
I think getting synthetic sleeping bag for a price of a liner and aegismax would be a better choice in my opinion, bulkier, but reliable.
thanks for the worthy informations. greetings from bavaria
You're welcome. Greetings back from Scotland.
Having just upgraded to the SOL thermal bivvy and Ozark Trails rectangular liner, I’m anxious to get out in Alaska in summer with my friends. A video on repacking the bivvy into the small bag would be great 🤣💪🏻⛺️🏔
Hey Elizabeth.
How are you finding the SOL & Ozark combo?
I actually found the SOL bivvy fairly simply to get back in. I just fold into quarters lengthwise then roll up tight (starting from toe end).
All the best, Ewan
My go-to modular system is just a Sleepingo inflatable pad ($30), the Aegis Max UL sleeping bag ($95) , then for sub zero nights I'll add an EKTOS 4lbs wool blanket ($24). The wool is heavy, but it is very warm and doesn't condensate. Since I only bring the wool out for one season of the year, the added weight is negligible. That's a complete four season sleeping system for under $150. Add a Gold Armor 10x10 tarp ($30) and you have everything needed to keep you warm and dry while camping for under $180, with a weight of under 9 pounds for the winter, and only 5 pounds the rest of the year.
Huh, I actually came to this video as my last trip out, camping at about 7-10C, I found my Aegismax UL & Alpkit cloud base inflatable to not be enough. Will definitely look at adding the SOL & thermolite reactor. May reconsider a more insulated ground pad.
The only thing I don’t like is the “four season” claim in the title. You put the capabilities of this gear in the right context and explained its limitations, however, these things should be super clear and if anything “underestimate” it’s capabilities in the thumbnails, titles etc. Cool video. 👍
Hi Ewan thx for making this video I’m on a extreme budget but want to get out there to and been having the same setup idea. What size bag would you recommend for that setup plus a tent/ Hamok a jetboil and then how much food I want to take. The matters could probably go on the outside of bag. Thx
I wouldn't recommend using the emergency bivvy over the sleeping bag, I did that a few weeks ago when it got colder than expected, and by 4am the outside of my sleeping bag was wet with condensation.
I do plan on buying that same sleeping bag liner, I would have been ok with that rather than the bivvy.
In winter conditions you should have more than just a foam pad underneath since most of your heat will be drawn away from the ground.
For winter camping you need the right gear, and that means spending money.
Foam pad plus inflatable mat with decent R value and a 4 season sleeping bag with a liner as back up unless you're relying on baselayers.
I have the Thermarest Ridgerest pad and Trekology mat, but for winter camps I will be buying the Thermarest Xtherm mat.
I don't believe in being thrifty on the equipment that keeps you comfortable and safe.
Some good advice there Marko.
I do mention in the video you have to be very conscious of your sleeping temperature to avoid the sweat issue. I usually aim (mild to comfortable) than (comfortable to warm). I may just be one of the lucky ones that doesn't have to be toasty to fall asleep.
There's no doubting that buying expensive means better, more reliable gear but that wasn't the point of the video. I was trying to present a budget, lightweight option that works.
I appreciate your input on the video mate. All the best, Ewan
@@EwanGoesHiking Camped again the other day this time with a sleeping bag liner and long johns, big difference. If someone had a budget sleeping bag, then a liner would supplement well rather than buying a more expensive sleeping bag.
Love the video, too many are just bragging about how much they spent, but the manufacturers season ratings on those mats are irrelevant. Thermarest could call their mat 4 season and who would know? Unless there is an independent tog, or similar, rating it is meaningless.
For example, I have a mat made from Amazon packaging, I reckon it's easily 5 or even 6 season.
I use a Multimat Adventure 25 self inflating mat (tog rating just over 4) which cost around £28 and weighs the same as this mat but takes up less room. My dog uses a foam Multimat Nato XXL, folded in half, around Tog 4. We share a foil faced emergency blanket as a groundsheet.
The downfall of my lightweight system is a Buffalo bag given to me by Buffalo nearly 20 years ago and it wont be going into this winter with me, sadly.
I wont be buying a cheap down bag though, I couldn't sleep knowing that the down came from live plucked birds, geese plucked several times in their life. Seems unnecessarily cruel to me.
Greetings from England Ewan! Brilliant video. Really enjoyed watching it. I am thinking that a 5cm self inflating sleeping pad may be a bit more comfy? Do you find 2cm is enough? The other issue I find is with moisture in the morning... brrrrr!!
The 2cm works fine for me but as with everything its personal preference. Would rather use an inflatable tbh but as I explained in the video, I'm teaching my rescue dog to sleep in tents with me. Inflatables wouldn't survive her teeth and claws.
Frugal, is not about cheap and nasty, it is about values. I rather comprehend and appreciate your own value system far better than I do for a Value system based on elitism / snobbery. Beyond the subjective it is relative. So for the sake of not offending the Rab and Hiilberg crowd and their love a Rab jacket for the high street fasshion and gentrification syndrome let just say this; maybe a system costing £1000s may be useful in Alaska or the Antartic but the value and quality base of your system is brilliant for Scotland (soon to be my new home) and here in England. Thankx for a wonderful review, you have been added to my subscriptions.
love your accent man, need to get my ass in scotland to backpack
Haha thanks mate 🙂 You definitely should come backpacking in Scotland.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Mate excellent video, and you have done a great job !! Keep it up …… have you tried hammocks?
Thanks for the kind words Tim.
Yeah I love hammock camping. Got myself a nice wee DD Hammock/Tarp combo I like to use when the midges aren't too bad.
I take it you're a hammock man yourself?
Yes Hennesey zip with 4 season supershelter. ... good down to -7 comfortably - so much better than being on ht ground :)
Nice budged sleeping system. I once owned a thick (expensive) winter sleeping bag - only to find out, that I do not want to carry 2.5kg all day and sweat at night during 3 seasons of the year... Winter sleeping bags are nice, but how often do you use them? After that bag was gone I started to use combinations of bags - or as you put it: a sleep system. Price is about the same (250 or so) but much more usable and better to pack too - at least for me it is easier to have one bag in the sack and the other one in a plastic bag on the outside of the bag in winter ... those few times a year when I am actually sleeping outside in winter temps. Good hike!
Hello Ewan, love this video, brilliantly presented and explained. And we have been thinking about getting that Sea to Summit liner too! That sleeping bag is amazing wow, never heard of it! Loved the sneaky last element too, great idea! Cracking video, really usefull advise on sleeping temps too 🏕❤👍☕ stay safe and well, Ceri and Kat 🤗
Thanks for the kind words. If you're considering the bag liner I'd definitely recommend it. Great bit of kit. Hope you're both doing well.
p.s - really enjoyed your GoPro Hero 9 vid the other week. I can't justify upgrading from the 8 at the moment.....but perhaps the 10 will tempt me whenever it arrives
@@EwanGoesHiking thanks Ewan, i think we'll definitely get a liner for Kat, she is a cold sleeper. Thanks for your kind words on the GP vide, even the DJI action2 will be interesting competition for GP. We are still suffering with the issues, but I do love the quality of footage it produces. Anyways have a great afternoon ❤👍
Sorted you geezer, you may have saved lives
Cheers mate. Would you say this would be good for extended hikes around 5 or 6 days?
Army bivy bags are big so you can get your sleep mat inside.i still use the army arctic bag and a hot water bottle .
I think the bivvy might work better inside the bag to act as a vapour barrier to keep your body moisture out of the bag's insulation. So working outwards: liner, bivvy, bag.
If you weren't in a tent, bivvy outside of course.
Bivy inside = more condensation ?
i sleep in:
fleece liner
inside of
synthetic 50° poly fill sleeping bag
inside of
canvas xxl military heavy extreme cold sleeping bag with soft thermal inside
and an outer waterproof shell with insulated fleece liner- (breathable bivvy Shell) if needed for outdoor or extreme cold.
also have a separate tyvek bivvy if needed.
extra emergency warmth- if needed for most extreme cold: surplus military blanket (1971)
(65% wool / 35% reprocessed wool)
and synthetic camp quilt
also have a down footbox i made from an old puffy, and fleece footies. with an Alaskan insulated hat with earflaps that wrap around your face. also a pair of thick wool socks, and fleece thermal mittens. i decided one day when i couldn't feel my toes or fingers, that i will never ever be cold again when camping/bushcrafting. lmao
i sleep on:
ultralight air mattress
reflective blanket facing up
thin soft polyester layer
thermarest military pad
reflective blanket facing down
ranger mat
tyvek groundsheet
and i have a Northface Kestrel i might use, or a Kelty Mountaineering tent. both have outer tyvek footprint and inner groundsheet. both have foam padding, and insulated reflective floor and ceiling panels i can attach. With a large 11×17 tarp that can fully enclose both tents with room for vestibule and a fire.
all my tyvek stuff is the commercial grade, not homewrap-d. much stronger and better all around. i only always sleep in boxers and usually no socks. down to below zero° F
i am unstoppable 😂😂🔥💨
I'm considering buying a sleep system so this video was super helpful. Thanks!
I think anyperson thinking about a sleep sytem !get the best you can afford, nothing wrong with ex military , its tough and proven, unless youre mountaineering, thats a differnt game,great vidio thanks.
I've got a similar (though a little more expensive) system. This is designed for Australian East Coast alpine conditions.
Klymit Static V or Nemo Tensor mat
Depends on season and whether I'm in my hammock strung up, or know I'll have it on the ground (should do my own video on this).
Carinthia Grizzly liner
Helikon Swagman roll (used as a quilt)
Snugpak Special Forces bivvy
All up, if I wear boxers and a singlet - and have my dog as a hot water bottle, I can get this to about 2 to 0 degrees Celsius depending on wind factor.
If I wear thermal base layers, then -2 ish
If I wear puffy jacket and pants etc then -5 ish.
But here is my secret weapon - this is all using a standard tarp. If I use my thermo tarp from bushmens in Poland, then I can get it even lower.
Mind you, I sleep quite hot. If I'm run down, or have a cold / flu coming on etc, then increase the degrees by 2 or 3.
For Uk buyers - I just received my S2S reactor extreme for £35 delivered fron epictv and a sol escape bivvy from exxpozed for £34 and I was not charged duty which was odd. Very happy
Nice one. That’s a great price on both. 👍
Nice video, well put together and oresented but how can you describe a bag as three season when its rated at 11-18c? Thats a summer bag
I have all those products from years a go no way it take that out on a cold night.. there a old saying no such thing as bad weather only bad gear…. Your brave testing that .. good job
Cheers. It definitely works for me but everyone has their own system I suppose. Thanks for watching and commenting. 👍
In the Norwegian Army we just bought reindeer skins to sleep on. Best ever sleeping mats.
If you put the bivy over the reactor and under the down bag you won’t stop insulation with moisture. Other products can be substituted to be less expensive and more versatile
I'd be interested to see what these items would be as I'm always looking to improve my setup. After lots of experimenting this is the best system I've been able to create for the price while keeping it lightweight and effective.
@@EwanGoesHiking It is my understanding a bivy makes you sweat while retaining body heat. There for it should be worn close to the skin or base layer. If your gear is wet from sweat you will be cold.
Love winter camping. Bears are all asleep
i never thought about pairing a down bag with a sol bivy overtop. correct me if i'm wrong but wouldn't you want that as a mid layer so as not to compress the loft?
Hi Ewen, really enjoyed your video and appreciate inclusion of disadvantages too- thank you. I've looked at buying the 3F UL GEAR mat on Ali Express but doesn't appear to ship to Scotland- have tried processing payment but apparently doesn't ship here. Just wondering if anyone else has had any issues with same or if there's something I'm missing? Many thanks in advance.
Thanks for the kind words David.
That's unfortunate about the shipping for the 3F mat. I know there are a lot of issues with Ali-express now due to Brexit and shipping costs and taxes. Could be something to do with that unfortunately.
Hopefully you manage a way around it. Let me know how you get on.
Regards,
Ewan
@@EwanGoesHiking Many thanks for getting back, Ewen, really appreciate it. That was my assumption but had hoped there was something I was missing / a workaround I wasn't aware of 😉. If I find a way, will revert, fear not. Thanks again and take it easy for now.
Sleeping bag looks great value, ill look at that. Definitely wouldn't use a survival bag inside a tent like thst thoough. Ive done it on one occasion due to being unable to sleep. Sleeping bag liners a good shout. Also sometimes i wear a down jacket in the bag.
Definitely for desperate times id say.
Hi I bought the sol bivy just feel it way to narrow, Especially when I tryed to put my sleeping bag in it. Might try to use it like a liner and have the sleeping bag on the out side. Have you tryed it that way?
Rab down boots or down boots work wonders.
And a down jacket and merino wool top and botoms and socks and gloves to go.
Down boots are always a good shout 👍
Nice.
Thank you 🙂
how does the condensation affect the down bag? the liner can be skipped and replaced by an air pad, more comfortable and R value for the same weight.
A key part of the system is the clothing you wore. Did you detail that in the vid?
Cower up your face with a scarf, preferably a balaclava is essentially sleeping in minus degress. Your lungs will turn to ice if you sleep bare faced. And so, your body will use tons of energy keeping your vital area heated, and it takes away heat from arms and legs, and feet. I've done a bit of sleeping out in the winter, coldest 36 minus. Your set up, with that outershell, is not good either, because it traps the humidity. You don't want to go humid in the cold weather. So, change your set a bit, and coweer up your face, and you should be good.