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Just to be clear: The ISO does not test sleeping bags. They publish a thick manual that you can buy for $100 and that will tell you how to test sleeping bags. An ISO rating does not necessarily mean that the product was independently tested. The manufacturer could also perform these tests according to the ISO standard. Although in reality, many manufacturers do outsource the testing to independent labs.
@@AndrewPatterson3001 The paying company has an even higher incentive to produce accurate and reliable data for marketing. If you're making $400 sleeping bags and your temp ratings don't jive with real world use, you're not going to be selling $400 sleeping bags for very long, your gear won't be wanted in sponsored events and people will be wary of buying anything else from you. EN/ISO/ASTM standards aren't designed as a marketing tool, but to get all the makers on the same page with consistent and reliable temperature ratings and R-values. This way sleeping gear performs very much the same regardless of the brand. Fudging the numbers defeats the purpose of using the standards in the first place and does more harm to your product than good. Some companies do BS it, though. Klymit is the worst offender, touting a 4.4 R-value on their insulated pad and telling you it's ASTM rated right up front, but burying the fact that the ASTM rating is only 1.9 in the fine print. They get away with it because Klymit caters to inexperienced/fair weather users who don't know what these numbers and standards even mean and typically don't need a sleeping pad with a high R-value anyway, so most of them never know they've been ripped off. If Nemo, Rab or Thermarest tried this, they'd get ripped a new one.
I can't speak to sleeping bag testing but I've worked for a couple of companies (in a completely different industry) that claim to be ISO certified. We would be audited regularly and honestly the audits are a joke. We would retroactively fudge data or provide some BS excuse to get an exemption on an audit item EVERY single time. If they were auditing properly we'd almost certainly fail. But they're pretty lax as far as audits go and year after year we'd pass by the skin of our teeth. I suppose it's better than nothing but I wouldn't put a high degree of faith in ISO compliance. I consider it a starting reference point that at least shows the company wants to be compliant.
@@kobayashimaru8114 🙈🙉🙊🤔 I get it. There's loopholes. I guess the stuff I work with day to day is quite a bit more stringent. Audits can be a joke, and sometimes the person doing the audits can be a joke as well, on both sides of the spectrum. I've heard horror stories about both from others. The company I work for passed audits left and right so the head guy who put the program together came to INTENTIONALLY find something wrong to nail us with. And he dug until he found what he wanted.
"You may not ever be the same, ever again" Man that is a line that hits hard. Just wanted to say that you are killing it, great content, great edits, and you have turned out to be a great presenter.
It was nice to see you pick up a Walmart brand and talk about it. Breaking down all these confusing ratings even better. Appreciate the info on what it all means 👏🏻
The ‘one’ sleeping bag I have enjoyed using for years now in any condition down to -20.c is the Carinthia Modular army sleep system. It was a trial bag issued in around 1999 that had a summer and winter bag that zipped together plus a cotton liner. This bag system was half the size and weight of the US army version. It has honestly been incredible. The airspace in between 2 bags makes a massive difference. I have not felt cold while using it. It’s not much difference in size and weight to a normal 0.C rated bag.
Interesting. I’ve actually been looking at Tropen a week ago as a secondary (utility) summer sleeping bag, in addition to my fragile dawn bag. Does it withstand abuse as good as it keeps you warm though?
I bought an ozark and went out at 0 degrees…I kept a fire going all night and slept for 1 hour intervals between waking up to put wood on fire. Great camping trip learned a lot
I've not been backpacking in 30 years. I'd had cheap and expensive bags in my youth. Simple polyester vs, hollow core vs down, stitched together basting, straight vs slanted batterns, mummy vs straight . A few different pads. Yes, you can move up in quality and it matters if you are out in stupid weather. I've heard tree branches burst, I've woken to fresh snow. But if you are not going to be doing stupid things, and you just camp in the late spring to early fall, a less expensive bag should be fine.
What on earth? Those motion graphics are like watching a professional documentary on TV. You’re killing it! And yes! More content about a diversity of people and their budgets to enjoy the outdoors.
The pad makes a huge difference as to how warm a bag will be. And a synth bag’s insulation will break down over time and hence be less efficient (warm), especially if carried in a compression stuff sack. I justify the “high cost” of a tent/sleeping bag/pad by considering the cost of a hotel room. If I spend ten nights in the outdoors, I’ve hit the break-even point. REI has 20% off sales twice a year, and for tents and pads there are lots of deals on used gear. I bought a Western Mountaineering Apache Microfiber with 2 oz overfill 23 years ago. It was around $450 at the time. It’s still my go-to winter bag and performs like new. Seeing how prices have gone up, I could get a fair chinch of my investment back if I sold this bag used.
I have lived (and slept) outdoors for the majority of my life from about age 6 onward (long story...LOL) and worked professionally in the wilderness education/guiding arena (on and off) for over 30 years in one capacity or another. I DIY my sleep systems with the current one being over 20 years old and have slept in temperatures below - 30°F many times (without wind chill) for as long as 10 days straight...$$$ do not equal better at all, knowledge and understanding of the system (as well as conditioning) is what matters...be it a natural bed roll system, modern synthetic or combination thereof...Thanks for another great review and breakdown...
@@Dave-lr2wo Hello Dave...Which sleep system? At what point and time from my past or present? For what climate type and location? Natural...Synthetic...or...a combination thereof? Those questions aren't meant as a deflection at all, and I'm more than willing to explore this topic with you in as much detail as you would like, however (and I could be wrong...please do correct me) your question sounded kind of like a "challenge," which I'm not into debating this topic or justifying my comment... So those questions are important, as are whether you are personally conditioned to sleep under extreme conditions and comfortable with that, since a "sleep system" is very dependant on individual conditioning, body type, the style of "how you sleep," skills in developing a system (aka do you have the skills to tailor (sew) a series of materials together effectively to create a sleep system for yourself,) as well as other factors... If you going to "purchase" a sleep system this video outlines a wonderful example of key elements for "bought systems" and why I commented, as well as, why I enjoy supporting the channel. If you have other questions, please do feel free to ask those but please provide context and goal...Thanks for commenting...
I would have liked to see you talk more about the option of adding a liner to improve the warmth of zero bags that are actually comfort rated for 14-15 degrees. I've looked at -20 bags, and without exception, the extra cost, bulk, and weight is not worth it for adding a couple of nights per year. Spending the most amount of money for a bag I'll use the least just doesn't make sense.
Just to add to the conversation, I was out last week in the Indian Peaks range of the Rocky Mountains. Low temperature was 30F, next to a pretty good stream so some humidity and wind flow. Admittedly I sleep cold, but okay, I had a Western Mountaineering down bag rated at -10F and I was in “the womb”! So Lovely.
I have those exact nortiv8 boots! I bought them earlier this year and have put about 1.5 million steps through them (tracked through my pedometer app) and they've held up so far, although the sole is getting thin in some high wear areas. This was mostly street walking too since my workboots died and I was too lazy to get new ones, so have just been wearing these. They've been comfortable since day 1. I have unusuallywide feet and will try for at least a 9 double wide, but the 9.5 wide size fit me well. I am a very new hiker with little experience, so take that with a grain of salt.
Hands down, Western Mountaineering. Costly, yes, but they don’t use three different ratings. My 10 degree bag is comfortable at 10 degrees Fahrenheit. When I go to the ground, in colder temperatures, it’s Western Mountaineering for me.👍
My WM Everlite is a 45F bag and that rating is accurate, too. If I wear my hooded down jacket and merino baselayer I can be comfy down to 36-38F cowboy camping on an uninsulated NEMO Tensor. I just use vegetation or terrain to block the wind.
3:29 this is not necessarily a deception, they also could just be inept, or something lost in translation, in other words a quality control issue. Quality control is one of the major differences between a reputable and trusted brand and what is essentially a store brand. It’s also likely that the zipper, insulation and shell material are low quality and are more likely to fail with heavy use. That said, if you’re a person who only ventures out once a year or less, even a low quality sleeping bag would work fine for most of these people for their annual summer hike.
If youre gonna go with boots go with a muck style lightweight hunting boot if youre in heavy tick country. Ticks cant grab onto the smooth rubber as opposed to any sort of mesh. It will cut them down to a fraction if theyre tall and your pants are tucked in
Use two cheap bags and a tarp, portaging with an external pack frame and oversize stuff sacks strapped to the external frame. Down is so easily compressed that it loses all of its loft against the ground. Sleep in the all wool winter ensemble and bring your boots into the roomy bag to prevent your boots from freezing. A small closed cell foam pad is sufficient with fiber fill since these bags are not easily compressed.
I actually bought the park trail bag 4ish years ago and I’ve done camping down to about freezing in it. I don’t have any issues. If it’s over 40 I am naked in that bag with the zipper cracked
I'm completely sold on Western mountaineering as the absolute best for comfort, packability, weight and true temperature ratings. I bought the 20 degree bag and its now 14-15 years old and I love it. I do however also have 2 Coleman aka Walmart level sleeping bags and for the price, and starting off for less serious people, it's a great option.
I really love your taste and style always so chic. My faves would be the kislux leather backpack and the Swarovski pave diamond ring so gorg. Thank you for your recommendations.
I have always purchased good quality sleep systems. I always used Western Mountaineering bags and I have never been disappointed. I then went down the UL rabbit hole and purchased a 20 quilt from Zpacks and again I have been very happy. I started doing long distance thru hikes with my dog and I tried to cheap out. That did not work and she ended up in my quilt a couple of times. I then let her use my 20 degree WM sleeping bag and she was very happy but it was taking up to much room in my back. I ordered multiple quilts on line and sent them all back. I finally purchased her a quilt from Enlightened Equipment in the 950 down and all I say is you get what you pay for. I went with EE over Zpacks because Zpacks only offers the 7D fabric and she is a dog with big nails. You really can’t go wrong with either company. Cry once.
Growing up hunting/hiking in the Cascades in every season and weather condition, Very few people actual need such a low temperature bag. But this is still invaluable information to have. Don't let Companies trick you
Oooh yeah. I remember my very first backpacking trip, I made the CRITICAL mistake of choosing an ozark trail 30 degree bag. I was unknowledgeable at the time and had zero idea what that number meant. I knew we were going to be trekking through 30-40 degree night conditions; and wooo boy was i FREEZING. I was literally warmer wearing my winter clothing gear than I was in that bag. Made the switch to more reliable and upfront bags that actively list the comfort rating, and never looked back.
For most men, women on avg plan around 20 degrees rating then what a bag lists. Meaning if you are a woman and need a 40 degree bag buy a 20 degree bag if its a mens sleeping bag
Appreciate the highlight of the budget gear. I use Ozark Trail gear...if You know how to repair or even reinforce gear (Stack Ratings Silicone seal and reinforce their sewing patterns and understand weigh capacity's... Ozark trail is suddenly impressive and insanely better value than most budget brands (Other than Tenton)
I can see if both met the same ISO standards saying hey they are almost the same. But then you have to factor in how durable they are. Started off camping again as an adult with a ozark trail 30 degree bag. That thing was garbage and only good to use to help pad a cot. Upgraded to a Coleman 30 and a huge difference. Upgraded just recently to a Nemo disco 30 which I am going to use this month but when testing at the store already seemed a lot warmer and packs down to less than half the size of the Coleman.
On the other hand, if the Ozark trail is $40 and the Nemo is $500, you would need to wear out 13 of the cheap bags before the expensive one was worn out in order for the Nemo to be $20 cheaper in the long run.
When you started talking about the boots, I couldn't help but have a laugh. I worked in a camping store for a while, and I sold a lot of boots. The exact wording you used is what I would say to sell boots, even the moisture vapour permeation 'MVP' and how the membrane works. I see they have vibram soles too? I'll give them a shot, my Salomons are a bit too much boot at times.
The old school way of testing with prople in cold rooms almost seems more trustworthy. That and old, heavy, dense 550 fill down. Looking at you TNF Blue Kazoo! 😬
Also break down the costs per night. If you are out a lot that's one thing but if you are using your sleeping bag and mat for only a few days every year you should really look for cheap versions. Otherwise your 5 nights out are more expensive than a wellness retreat... And: keep in mind what you really need it for.
My Height is: 68 inch (173 cm), and The size of my shoulders is 17 inch (44 cm). Would you say a mummy sleeping bag of (81"L x 21"W) is suitable for my body size? Thank you
1:39 Another temperature consideration is that, in most tents it’s going to be at least 5 degrees F warmer inside the tent or even warmer inside a snow cave or similar shelter. So, even a cold sleeper (with a decent-enough sleeping pad), will be comfortable in a 0 degree sleeping bag from a well-known and reputable brand into the single digit temperatures, if they have a decent shelter system.
Take note... The buffalo sleep system is far superior to ANY OTHER IN EVERY WAY ,ANYWHERE AT ANY PRICE ( including wiggys btw) It consists of the Buffalo 4s outer, 4s inner, buffalo systems thermaliner, special 6 shirt and special 6 trousers. Extreme cold weather rated at MINUS 110 DEGREES ... comfort at minus 50. Can be stored FULLY COMPRESSED indefinitely without affecting performance . Thermal efficiency is UNCHANGED WET OR DRY . Made in Sheffield UK. BUY ONCE CRY ONCE .
I checked them out. Their gear looks great for wet conditions. But their insulation does degrade over time. From their website: "...pile flattened over many years cannot really be rescued..." I really like my down top quilts, hammock and underquilts for where I typically camp in conditions ranging from -15 C to 35 C
@@jays7318 Thanks for taking the time to reply Jay. Actually when the aquatherm extreme pile fleece lining in buffalo systems sleeping bags gets flattened ,it can be very easily restored to the same thermal efficiency it had when it was new by simply brushing it with an ordinary hair brush . Also ,being a 5 part sleep system ( including special 6 shirt and trousers ) The system is perfect for all year round use from the Sahara to Antarctica. This versatility puts the buffalo system in a league of it's own as far as performance goes. If down gets wet it's about as much use as Anne Frank's drum kit. The buffalo system loses almost none of its thermal insulation performance even when it is completely soaked with water , it performs like a wet suit if soaked and retains so much body heat it actually dries itself out . I've spoken to the owner at buffalo and told him to invest heavily in a world wide ad campaign .Almost nobody has heard of buffalo systems , if everyone realised how good they actually are , every other sleeping bag manufacturer would go out of business ... You can even breathe inside the buffalo system in extreme low temperatures and the super high aquatherm wicking capability means the condensation freezes ON THE OUTSIDE . Conversely , If you breathe inside a down bag it turns into a 10 kilo ice collar that extends down to chest level ... ... Or ,you can use a vapor barrier and enjoy climbing out of a down bag very warm and soaked to the skin at minus 20....🤣😂 I suppose wim hof might like it lol
@davidjacobs828 Hmm, I've not once had a problem with moisture and my ultralight down quilts in a hammock. On a pad I have had issues. A hammock with down quilts is the best setup I have experienced in the summer and winter. I also prefer to carry 1/3 to 1/4 the weight of that synthetic sleep system for backpacking, not to mention the high compressibility of down. So my down quilts and the hammock is my choice every time. I'd go for one of their synthetic jackets though. I did read a review that they are not restorable with brushing after a very long period (10+ years), but that's totally acceptable. Here's someone else's review of the system (from an independent website): "Its very indestructable and easy to wash, dampness is no problem. BUT having had a down bag now since 1998 I don't want to go back. The Buffalo system is heavy (even just the 4s outer on its own) and bulky. When you are 18 have strong shoulders and little brain that's fine, but now as middle-age appears not too far in the distance (!) I will go for lighter weight gear."
The best thing to do is to have a 15°C confort sleeping bag and adding it a fleece blanket inside if it's cold outside. This way you will be able to sleep by warm and cold temperature. Tested and approuved by myself.
I bought a -18 for trout season.. april up in canada is cool at night.. my friend has a -18 and we went winter camping.. was sleeping in his boxers lol while i froze with my -1 with layers on lol now i got -18 and im not worries to go spring and fall fishing over night..
I use the Ozark bag at a 32 degrees rating and it’s fine. The coldest temps I have been in was at 17 degrees…. I just place warmers in the bag with me.
I'm always hot when camping. My comfort temp is about 39 degrees. But I do have a -25 bag that I use even in the summer. I just open it up and use it as a blanket. I would just get the lowest temp you can afford.
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I currently have a Kelty 20 bag which felt a little bit cold once it got below 30, but I like otherwise. I was thinking of getting a bag liner instead of getting a whole new bag. Would anyone have thoughts on why this is an okay or terrible idea?
If the Kelty fits you with ample room to turn on your side, keeping it and adding a liner may be a great option. As for me, I'm walking away from Kelty since it is no longer the company I've know since when I was growing up backpacking in the Colorado Rockies. For a comparable price, I just bought a Big Agnes Torchlight on sale, and will be returning my Cosmic Ultra 20. The Torchlight is much roomier and warmer, and I could NOT be happier!! Even the Ultra (800 dridown) version of the Kelty Cosmic 20 is not warm enough for its ratings, and I find it to be too damn small in girth.
So the question I have is, this sleeping bag is like 24° comfort level. the temperature I need to sleep at is 16°. If I take this and sleep with my base layer silk top/bottom, and my mid layer waffle top/bottom, would the clothing layers keep my comfortable in that bag?
The truth you find out when you camp in very cold, very damp or very hot weather. Mostly buy cheap regret later still holds. While of course not all pricing is always justified. Tourists where I live sometimes die because they went for the cheap and/or too lightweight gear ... including tent and sleeping bag.
Hey! Wanted to turn your attention to a small company called "Hang Tight" - they make down quilts for hammocks, but offer a "ground dweller" addon for those of us that want to use the top quilts with a sleeping pad. I got mine for 149 USD which is insane in today's down quilt market. Based out of I believe Minnesota. I know you've been interested in good affordable gear. I haven't been able to try my overstuffed heatseeker yet as it is summer here, but I have high hopes
I've figured out an emotional problem that had kept me home for most of my life and now am buying tent, sleeping bag, air mattress, tarp, poles and a good quality cart so I can walk 3,000 km to cape tribulation in the tropics of Australia. I'm going to make camp there and settle. I ordered a $40 sleeping bag, it's rated at -10C should be fine in Australia. I'm poor so can't afford good equipment.
I'm surprised ozark trail actually does any ISO stuff, so that's cool. Although, for the price point, their stuff is actually okay as long as you keep that in mind.
Maybe a dumb question, but does anyone just double-up on cheap bag? Could you buy two bags with 12-degree ratings, use them with one nested inside the other, and then obviously be warmer on a per-dollar basis? This would also have the flexibility of giving you the option to just use one for warmer temps.
You can double up. You just need to make sure one bag isn’t squeezing the insulation of the other bag. It’s best to do it with quilts. Or a bag with a quilt on top. Here is a video I did about it: ua-cam.com/video/6_D9XlxUwAQ/v-deo.htmlsi=dH8Mwx1s7AJvHkVE
I saw the headline and teaser image, and thought, "oh no, I have a Nemo bag on my wish list." Your point seems to be to dig and do the research to make a good comparison between bags. For most products, there are multiple factors to consider. For a new sleeping bag, I'm looking at weight, temperature rating, fill, and price. Regarding the shoes, I almost always want to try on shoes before I buy, especially hiking or running shoes. ETA: "fill" to the factors I'm looking at in sleeping bag.
For a long time, as the price of Chanel increased, I no longer thought I could afford it. I think I'll be happy that I have the kislux as my travel bag that I don't have to take care of. By the way, I'm sure no one will have a hard time telling the difference. Thanks for the comparison.
One thing i wonder about is I personally don't just wear my undies to bed, its usually a long sleeve shirt and thermal long johns. I wonder how that affects these tests.
Should be noted that top quilts are NOT tested to the ISO standard because it doesn’t apply to quilts. And rightly so - there are a lot of other variables involved with how warm a quilt is: how you attach it to the pad, how much you toss and turn, etc. I’m not saying there shouldn’t or couldn’t be a standard to test them, but the ISO test right now does not apply. So we, the UL crowd, are left to compare loft, read reviews on others’ perceptions of how warm a bag is that they have used, and “guesstimate” how warm we will be in a quilt. Hopefully a standard is developed to test these soon!
40 dollars is axtually impressive price for -4°c comfort, the one i have is considered best quality/price, i paid 90 Euro or 105 dollars for a 0°c here in Europe
Do you refer to Degree Fahrenheit or Celsius, would be nice to know in the Future… (Think your referring to Fahrenheit, but we haven’t this here in Europe)
Kind of a bummer that if a company started being 100% honest about ratings in the name of a bag, they’d be penalized for it. Most consumers would assumed a bag named the “Nemo Sonic 14” was really closer to a 25° or 30° bag because we have all become so used to this system. Seems like unless the entire industry gets a reboot or some regulations in place, the slightly dishonest labeling is inevitable.
I both liked and disliked your explaination of the different temperature ratings. It is very important for people to realize, that they can't just take the number on the bag for granted and have no problems with it. I however am a person, that usually is rather too hot than too cold. When planning for a trip I always look at the limit rating of my bags, because I know that is where I will feel comfortable. Where in the range of the bag your personal comfort level is, is totally subjective. A friend of mine, who tends to be rather cold, always stays above the comfort rating with his bag.
When I saw that 5.7 lb bag I almost choked. My 30 deg bag (summer camper) is 1 lb 3 oz. Hard to imagine carrying one that heavy now. But the comfort VS limit temp is very good info to know
I have always been asking my self, what do they consider to wear referring to these ratings? Am I sleeping with clothes on or only underwear? I mean this makes a big difference.
so what is the truth about expensive sleeping bag? I have a thermarest down quilt rated at 20F (32F confort, 0C), but at 40F, 4 degree C I was quite cold with the bag properly set. So what is the TRUTH?
Yes, I use Therm-a-Rest NeoAir XLite, it has R-value arround 4, so it's not the pad, but thamks for the reply! I don,t think that they are completly honest about the confort temp - maybe individual tests are needed :) Maybe put them into a video. @@MyLifeOutdoors
Partially depends on your personal preferences and how hot you sleep. I have the Corus 20F quilt with the 32F comfort rating and when laying on top of a topo luxe with the haven insulated pad cover I was overly warm at 38F - to the point that I disconnected the pad straps to let some air in.
They used to have great tents too. They were clones of REI Half and Quarter Dome models. I own 2 of them and other than being orange you could not tell them apart. Cost $45 for a 2 man and $27 for the one man tent. Very good quality.
I don't trust "high end" bags that aren't from feathered friends or western mountaineering, or valandre. I've had my widgeon (-10F) down to 10F before I had to put on more layers than just socks, compression shirt, and compression shorts. That said, I wouldn't recommend those kinds of bags unless you REGULARLY camp in very cold weather.
That's a ridiculous price for a less than capable sleeping bag. I have a €60 Chinese made sleeping bag that keeps me comfortable at 0°C. Because the filling is compressed underneath my body, I use a foil coated mat between me and my inflatable sleeping mat. The lowest temperature I've used it in is -1°C, and I slept like a baby.
Wait Ozark Trail makes sleeping bags??? They make a Walmart MTB that’s surprisingly decent for the price. Granted that is if it’s put together correctly being it’s from Walmart.😂
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Just to be clear: The ISO does not test sleeping bags. They publish a thick manual that you can buy for $100 and that will tell you how to test sleeping bags. An ISO rating does not necessarily mean that the product was independently tested. The manufacturer could also perform these tests according to the ISO standard. Although in reality, many manufacturers do outsource the testing to independent labs.
And they have an incentive to be helpful to the paying company.
ISO can still audit the manufacturer to see if procedures are being followed.
@@AndrewPatterson3001 The paying company has an even higher incentive to produce accurate and reliable data for marketing. If you're making $400 sleeping bags and your temp ratings don't jive with real world use, you're not going to be selling $400 sleeping bags for very long, your gear won't be wanted in sponsored events and people will be wary of buying anything else from you. EN/ISO/ASTM standards aren't designed as a marketing tool, but to get all the makers on the same page with consistent and reliable temperature ratings and R-values. This way sleeping gear performs very much the same regardless of the brand. Fudging the numbers defeats the purpose of using the standards in the first place and does more harm to your product than good.
Some companies do BS it, though. Klymit is the worst offender, touting a 4.4 R-value on their insulated pad and telling you it's ASTM rated right up front, but burying the fact that the ASTM rating is only 1.9 in the fine print. They get away with it because Klymit caters to inexperienced/fair weather users who don't know what these numbers and standards even mean and typically don't need a sleeping pad with a high R-value anyway, so most of them never know they've been ripped off. If Nemo, Rab or Thermarest tried this, they'd get ripped a new one.
I can't speak to sleeping bag testing but I've worked for a couple of companies (in a completely different industry) that claim to be ISO certified. We would be audited regularly and honestly the audits are a joke.
We would retroactively fudge data or provide some BS excuse to get an exemption on an audit item EVERY single time. If they were auditing properly we'd almost certainly fail. But they're pretty lax as far as audits go and year after year we'd pass by the skin of our teeth.
I suppose it's better than nothing but I wouldn't put a high degree of faith in ISO compliance. I consider it a starting reference point that at least shows the company wants to be compliant.
@@kobayashimaru8114 🙈🙉🙊🤔 I get it. There's loopholes. I guess the stuff I work with day to day is quite a bit more stringent. Audits can be a joke, and sometimes the person doing the audits can be a joke as well, on both sides of the spectrum. I've heard horror stories about both from others. The company I work for passed audits left and right so the head guy who put the program together came to INTENTIONALLY find something wrong to nail us with. And he dug until he found what he wanted.
"You may not ever be the same, ever again" Man that is a line that hits hard. Just wanted to say that you are killing it, great content, great edits, and you have turned out to be a great presenter.
It was nice to see you pick up a Walmart brand and talk about it. Breaking down all these confusing ratings even better. Appreciate the info on what it all means 👏🏻
The ‘one’ sleeping bag I have enjoyed using for years now in any condition down to -20.c is the Carinthia Modular army sleep system. It was a trial bag issued in around 1999 that had a summer and winter bag that zipped together plus a cotton liner. This bag system was half the size and weight of the US army version. It has honestly been incredible. The airspace in between 2 bags makes a massive difference. I have not felt cold while using it. It’s not much difference in size and weight to a normal 0.C rated bag.
I still have mine!
Its still in service in the german army. I own the summer sleeping bag "Tropen". Love it. Nice sleeping bag until 50 fahrenheit (or 10 degrees).
Interesting. I’ve actually been looking at Tropen a week ago as a secondary (utility) summer sleeping bag, in addition to my fragile dawn bag. Does it withstand abuse as good as it keeps you warm though?
Thank you so much for converting the temperature units!!!
I bought an ozark and went out at 0 degrees…I kept a fire going all night and slept for 1 hour intervals between waking up to put wood on fire. Great camping trip learned a lot
I've not been backpacking in 30 years. I'd had cheap and expensive bags in my youth. Simple polyester vs, hollow core vs down, stitched together basting, straight vs slanted batterns, mummy vs straight . A few different pads.
Yes, you can move up in quality and it matters if you are out in stupid weather. I've heard tree branches burst, I've woken to fresh snow. But if you are not going to be doing stupid things, and you just camp in the late spring to early fall, a less expensive bag should be fine.
What on earth? Those motion graphics are like watching a professional documentary on TV. You’re killing it! And yes! More content about a diversity of people and their budgets to enjoy the outdoors.
The pad makes a huge difference as to how warm a bag will be. And a synth bag’s insulation will break down over time and hence be less efficient (warm), especially if carried in a compression stuff sack.
I justify the “high cost” of a tent/sleeping bag/pad by considering the cost of a hotel room. If I spend ten nights in the outdoors, I’ve hit the break-even point.
REI has 20% off sales twice a year, and for tents and pads there are lots of deals on used gear.
I bought a Western Mountaineering Apache Microfiber with 2 oz overfill 23 years ago. It was around $450 at the time. It’s still my go-to winter bag and performs like new. Seeing how prices have gone up, I could get a fair chinch of my investment back if I sold this bag used.
I have lived (and slept) outdoors for the majority of my life from about age 6 onward (long story...LOL) and worked professionally in the wilderness education/guiding arena (on and off) for over 30 years in one capacity or another. I DIY my sleep systems with the current one being over 20 years old and have slept in temperatures below - 30°F many times (without wind chill) for as long as 10 days straight...$$$ do not equal better at all, knowledge and understanding of the system (as well as conditioning) is what matters...be it a natural bed roll system, modern synthetic or combination thereof...Thanks for another great review and breakdown...
How about actually describing the system you put together for yourself?
@@Dave-lr2wo Hello Dave...Which sleep system? At what point and time from my past or present? For what climate type and location? Natural...Synthetic...or...a combination thereof?
Those questions aren't meant as a deflection at all, and I'm more than willing to explore this topic with you in as much detail as you would like, however (and I could be wrong...please do correct me) your question sounded kind of like a "challenge," which I'm not into debating this topic or justifying my comment...
So those questions are important, as are whether you are personally conditioned to sleep under extreme conditions and comfortable with that, since a "sleep system" is very dependant on individual conditioning, body type, the style of "how you sleep," skills in developing a system (aka do you have the skills to tailor (sew) a series of materials together effectively to create a sleep system for yourself,) as well as other factors...
If you going to "purchase" a sleep system this video outlines a wonderful example of key elements for "bought systems" and why I commented, as well as, why I enjoy supporting the channel. If you have other questions, please do feel free to ask those but please provide context and goal...Thanks for commenting...
That Ozark Trail bag looks fantastic for budget car camping bag.
I use there 30 and 50 degree to back pack there great!
One months rent? Man . . . I remember when rent in my area was $800. That was a long while ago.
I would have liked to see you talk more about the option of adding a liner to improve the warmth of zero bags that are actually comfort rated for 14-15 degrees. I've looked at -20 bags, and without exception, the extra cost, bulk, and weight is not worth it for adding a couple of nights per year. Spending the most amount of money for a bag I'll use the least just doesn't make sense.
Just do jumping jacks all night, David Goggins style instead of carrying a sleeping bag.
while iso is a published standard, isn't ISO testing still internal testing?
Just to add to the conversation, I was out last week in the Indian Peaks range of the Rocky Mountains. Low temperature was 30F, next to a pretty good stream so some humidity and wind flow. Admittedly I sleep cold, but okay, I had a Western Mountaineering down bag rated at -10F and I was in “the womb”! So Lovely.
I have those exact nortiv8 boots! I bought them earlier this year and have put about 1.5 million steps through them (tracked through my pedometer app) and they've held up so far, although the sole is getting thin in some high wear areas. This was mostly street walking too since my workboots died and I was too lazy to get new ones, so have just been wearing these. They've been comfortable since day 1. I have unusuallywide feet and will try for at least a 9 double wide, but the 9.5 wide size fit me well. I am a very new hiker with little experience, so take that with a grain of salt.
I’m glad to hear they will last. That was my only concern. Thanks for the comment
Hands down, Western Mountaineering. Costly, yes, but they don’t use three different ratings. My 10 degree bag is comfortable at 10 degrees Fahrenheit. When I go to the ground, in colder temperatures, it’s Western Mountaineering for me.👍
My WM Everlite is a 45F bag and that rating is accurate, too. If I wear my hooded down jacket and merino baselayer I can be comfy down to 36-38F cowboy camping on an uninsulated NEMO Tensor. I just use vegetation or terrain to block the wind.
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3:29 this is not necessarily a deception, they also could just be inept, or something lost in translation, in other words a quality control issue. Quality control is one of the major differences between a reputable and trusted brand and what is essentially a store brand. It’s also likely that the zipper, insulation and shell material are low quality and are more likely to fail with heavy use. That said, if you’re a person who only ventures out once a year or less, even a low quality sleeping bag would work fine for most of these people for their annual summer hike.
If youre gonna go with boots go with a muck style lightweight hunting boot if youre in heavy tick country. Ticks cant grab onto the smooth rubber as opposed to any sort of mesh. It will cut them down to a fraction if theyre tall and your pants are tucked in
Use two cheap bags and a tarp, portaging with an external pack frame and oversize stuff sacks strapped to the external frame.
Down is so easily compressed that it loses all of its loft against the ground. Sleep in the all wool winter ensemble and bring your boots into the roomy bag to prevent your boots from freezing. A small closed cell foam pad is sufficient with fiber fill since these bags are not easily compressed.
I actually bought the park trail bag 4ish years ago and I’ve done camping down to about freezing in it. I don’t have any issues. If it’s over 40 I am naked in that bag with the zipper cracked
Never would have thought that the OT bag has an ISO rating. Good on them. Honestly, if you can keep it dry and you aren't a gram weenie, why not?
I have the 50 and 30 degree version and there awesome! I'm warm down to the rated Temps
I'm completely sold on Western mountaineering as the absolute best for comfort, packability, weight and true temperature ratings. I bought the 20 degree bag and its now 14-15 years old and I love it. I do however also have 2 Coleman aka Walmart level sleeping bags and for the price, and starting off for less serious people, it's a great option.
I really love your taste and style always so chic. My faves would be the kislux leather backpack and the Swarovski pave diamond ring so gorg. Thank you for your recommendations.
I have always purchased good quality sleep systems. I always used Western Mountaineering bags and I have never been disappointed. I then went down the UL rabbit hole and purchased a 20 quilt from Zpacks and again I have been very happy. I started doing long distance thru hikes with my dog and I tried to cheap out. That did not work and she ended up in my quilt a couple of times. I then let her use my 20 degree WM sleeping bag and she was very happy but it was taking up to much room in my back. I ordered multiple quilts on line and sent them all back. I finally purchased her a quilt from Enlightened Equipment in the 950 down and all I say is you get what you pay for. I went with EE over Zpacks because Zpacks only offers the 7D fabric and she is a dog with big nails. You really can’t go wrong with either company. Cry once.
I've used that Ozark 10F bag at 4F when combined with gtx bivy. A mylar blanket over the top of gtx adds a noticeable heat increase. It's the system.
Growing up hunting/hiking in the Cascades in every season and weather condition, Very few people actual need such a low temperature bag. But this is still invaluable information to have. Don't let Companies trick you
Oooh yeah. I remember my very first backpacking trip, I made the CRITICAL mistake of choosing an ozark trail 30 degree bag. I was unknowledgeable at the time and had zero idea what that number meant. I knew we were going to be trekking through 30-40 degree night conditions; and wooo boy was i FREEZING. I was literally warmer wearing my winter clothing gear than I was in that bag. Made the switch to more reliable and upfront bags that actively list the comfort rating, and never looked back.
For most men, women on avg plan around 20 degrees rating then what a bag lists.
Meaning if you are a woman and need a 40 degree bag buy a 20 degree bag if its a mens sleeping bag
Appreciate the highlight of the budget gear. I use Ozark Trail gear...if You know how to repair or even reinforce gear (Stack Ratings Silicone seal and reinforce their sewing patterns and understand weigh capacity's... Ozark trail is suddenly impressive and insanely better value than most budget brands (Other than Tenton)
I can see if both met the same ISO standards saying hey they are almost the same. But then you have to factor in how durable they are. Started off camping again as an adult with a ozark trail 30 degree bag. That thing was garbage and only good to use to help pad a cot. Upgraded to a Coleman 30 and a huge difference. Upgraded just recently to a Nemo disco 30 which I am going to use this month but when testing at the store already seemed a lot warmer and packs down to less than half the size of the Coleman.
On the other hand, if the Ozark trail is $40 and the Nemo is $500, you would need to wear out 13 of the cheap bags before the expensive one was worn out in order for the Nemo to be $20 cheaper in the long run.
How can I counteract the cold? By dressing more warm (thermals) layers on my body or a sleeping bag for lower temperatures?.
When you started talking about the boots, I couldn't help but have a laugh.
I worked in a camping store for a while, and I sold a lot of boots.
The exact wording you used is what I would say to sell boots, even the moisture vapour permeation 'MVP' and how the membrane works.
I see they have vibram soles too?
I'll give them a shot, my Salomons are a bit too much boot at times.
The old school way of testing with prople in cold rooms almost seems more trustworthy. That and old, heavy, dense 550 fill down. Looking at you TNF Blue Kazoo! 😬
Also break down the costs per night. If you are out a lot that's one thing but if you are using your sleeping bag and mat for only a few days every year you should really look for cheap versions. Otherwise your 5 nights out are more expensive than a wellness retreat...
And: keep in mind what you really need it for.
My Height is: 68 inch (173 cm), and The size of my shoulders is 17 inch (44 cm).
Would you say a mummy sleeping bag of (81"L x 21"W) is suitable for my body size?
Thank you
1:39 Another temperature consideration is that, in most tents it’s going to be at least 5 degrees F warmer inside the tent or even warmer inside a snow cave or similar shelter. So, even a cold sleeper (with a decent-enough sleeping pad), will be comfortable in a 0 degree sleeping bag from a well-known and reputable brand into the single digit temperatures, if they have a decent shelter system.
Take note...
The buffalo sleep system is far superior to ANY OTHER IN EVERY WAY ,ANYWHERE AT ANY PRICE ( including wiggys btw)
It consists of the
Buffalo 4s outer, 4s inner, buffalo systems thermaliner, special 6 shirt and special 6 trousers.
Extreme cold weather rated at MINUS 110 DEGREES ...
comfort at minus 50.
Can be stored FULLY COMPRESSED indefinitely without affecting performance . Thermal efficiency is UNCHANGED WET OR DRY .
Made in Sheffield UK.
BUY ONCE CRY ONCE .
I checked them out. Their gear looks great for wet conditions. But their insulation does degrade over time. From their website: "...pile flattened over many years cannot really be rescued..."
I really like my down top quilts, hammock and underquilts for where I typically camp in conditions ranging from -15 C to 35 C
@@jays7318
Thanks for taking the time to reply Jay.
Actually when the aquatherm extreme pile fleece lining in buffalo systems sleeping bags gets flattened ,it can be very easily restored to the same thermal efficiency it had when it was new by simply brushing it with an ordinary hair brush .
Also ,being a 5 part sleep system ( including special 6 shirt and trousers )
The system is perfect for all year round use from the Sahara to Antarctica.
This versatility puts the buffalo system in a league of it's own as far as performance goes.
If down gets wet it's about as much use as Anne Frank's drum kit.
The buffalo system loses almost none of its thermal insulation performance even when it is completely soaked with water , it performs like a wet suit if soaked and retains so much body heat it actually dries itself out .
I've spoken to the owner at buffalo and told him to invest heavily in a world wide ad campaign .Almost nobody has heard of buffalo systems , if everyone realised how good they actually are , every other sleeping bag manufacturer would go out of business ...
You can even breathe inside the buffalo system in extreme low temperatures and the super high aquatherm wicking capability means the condensation freezes ON THE OUTSIDE .
Conversely ,
If you breathe inside a down bag it turns into a 10 kilo ice collar that extends down to chest level ... ...
Or ,you can use a vapor barrier and enjoy climbing out of a down bag very warm and soaked to the skin at minus 20....🤣😂
I suppose wim hof might like it lol
@davidjacobs828 Hmm, I've not once had a problem with moisture and my ultralight down quilts in a hammock. On a pad I have had issues. A hammock with down quilts is the best setup I have experienced in the summer and winter.
I also prefer to carry 1/3 to 1/4 the weight of that synthetic sleep system for backpacking, not to mention the high compressibility of down. So my down quilts and the hammock is my choice every time.
I'd go for one of their synthetic jackets though. I did read a review that they are not restorable with brushing after a very long period (10+ years), but that's totally acceptable.
Here's someone else's review of the system (from an independent website):
"Its very indestructable and easy to wash, dampness is no problem.
BUT having had a down bag now since 1998 I don't want to go back. The Buffalo system is heavy (even just the 4s outer on its own) and bulky. When you are 18 have strong shoulders and little brain that's fine, but now as middle-age appears not too far in the distance (!) I will go for lighter weight gear."
The best thing to do is to have a 15°C confort sleeping bag and adding it a fleece blanket inside if it's cold outside. This way you will be able to sleep by warm and cold temperature.
Tested and approuved by myself.
I bought a -18 for trout season.. april up in canada is cool at night.. my friend has a -18 and we went winter camping.. was sleeping in his boxers lol while i froze with my -1 with layers on lol now i got -18 and im not worries to go spring and fall fishing over night..
I use the Ozark bag at a 32 degrees rating and it’s fine. The coldest temps I have been in was at 17 degrees…. I just place warmers in the bag with me.
I'm always hot when camping. My comfort temp is about 39 degrees. But I do have a -25 bag that I use even in the summer. I just open it up and use it as a blanket. I would just get the lowest temp you can afford.
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I prefer The Sleeping Bag under Cabela's. Very Good!
Sleeping Bags at Academy.
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Sleeping Bags at Walmart.
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They will compare all Sleeping Bags. Good Luck!
The Best Choice: just put the Wool Blanket in your Sleeping Bag. Look, The Wool is King.
The US Military prefer the Wool Coats. You see...It is up to you all. Your own decision!
You will know. Okay! Have a great day!
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Still in San Antonio, Texas.
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Honest!
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i just want to say.. your video editing is🔥
I currently have a Kelty 20 bag which felt a little bit cold once it got below 30, but I like otherwise. I was thinking of getting a bag liner instead of getting a whole new bag. Would anyone have thoughts on why this is an okay or terrible idea?
If the Kelty fits you with ample room to turn on your side, keeping it and adding a liner may be a great option. As for me, I'm walking away from Kelty since it is no longer the company I've know since when I was growing up backpacking in the Colorado Rockies. For a comparable price, I just bought a Big Agnes Torchlight on sale, and will be returning my Cosmic Ultra 20. The Torchlight is much roomier and warmer, and I could NOT be happier!! Even the Ultra (800 dridown) version of the Kelty Cosmic 20 is not warm enough for its ratings, and I find it to be too damn small in girth.
Loved the video. Just one question, where I live it gets down to -40C, where can i get affordable sleeping bag that can keep me warm even in -40C.
Question on the boots:
How’s the arch support? I know everyone is different, but would someone with some plantar issues need $60 inserts?
Another great informative video. Plus, answered a question I’ve been having about footwear.
So the question I have is, this sleeping bag is like 24° comfort level. the temperature I need to sleep at is 16°. If I take this and sleep with my base layer silk top/bottom, and my mid layer waffle top/bottom, would the clothing layers keep my comfortable in that bag?
I just bought a NEMO SONIC rated tp -29C. It's on it's way to my house right now.
01:14 lol @ the idea you can pay a month of rent for $800, you'd need a buddy to chip in the other $800/mo for an unheated garage where i live
The truth you find out when you camp in very cold, very damp or very hot weather. Mostly buy cheap regret later still holds. While of course not all pricing is always justified.
Tourists where I live sometimes die because they went for the cheap and/or too lightweight gear ... including tent and sleeping bag.
Hey! Wanted to turn your attention to a small company called "Hang Tight" - they make down quilts for hammocks, but offer a "ground dweller" addon for those of us that want to use the top quilts with a sleeping pad. I got mine for 149 USD which is insane in today's down quilt market. Based out of I believe Minnesota. I know you've been interested in good affordable gear.
I haven't been able to try my overstuffed heatseeker yet as it is summer here, but I have high hopes
I've figured out an emotional problem that had kept me home for most of my life and now am buying tent, sleeping bag, air mattress, tarp, poles and a good quality cart so I can walk 3,000 km to cape tribulation in the tropics of Australia. I'm going to make camp there and settle. I ordered a $40 sleeping bag, it's rated at -10C should be fine in Australia. I'm poor so can't afford good equipment.
I'm surprised ozark trail actually does any ISO stuff, so that's cool. Although, for the price point, their stuff is actually okay as long as you keep that in mind.
I've got one of those Wally "10F" (AKA 25F) bags stuck in my car like a fire extinguisher or a tire pump, in case I ever need a bag. $40 I won't miss.
Nice video and great info!
I've taken this bag to -18 F testing in yard without problem! Just need the right sleeping pad I'd guess. I may run warm being a 185lbs man.
Maybe a dumb question, but does anyone just double-up on cheap bag? Could you buy two bags with 12-degree ratings, use them with one nested inside the other, and then obviously be warmer on a per-dollar basis? This would also have the flexibility of giving you the option to just use one for warmer temps.
You can double up. You just need to make sure one bag isn’t squeezing the insulation of the other bag. It’s best to do it with quilts. Or a bag with a quilt on top. Here is a video I did about it: ua-cam.com/video/6_D9XlxUwAQ/v-deo.htmlsi=dH8Mwx1s7AJvHkVE
I saw the headline and teaser image, and thought, "oh no, I have a Nemo bag on my wish list." Your point seems to be to dig and do the research to make a good comparison between bags.
For most products, there are multiple factors to consider. For a new sleeping bag, I'm looking at weight, temperature rating, fill, and price.
Regarding the shoes, I almost always want to try on shoes before I buy, especially hiking or running shoes.
ETA: "fill" to the factors I'm looking at in sleeping bag.
For a long time, as the price of Chanel increased, I no longer thought I could afford it. I think I'll be happy that I have the kislux as my travel bag that I don't have to take care of. By the way, I'm sure no one will have a hard time telling the difference. Thanks for the comparison.
There's gotta be a catch with those boots! They look awesome.
The information you share is appreciated.cheers
One thing i wonder about is I personally don't just wear my undies to bed, its usually a long sleeve shirt and thermal long johns. I wonder how that affects these tests.
Should be noted that top quilts are NOT tested to the ISO standard because it doesn’t apply to quilts. And rightly so - there are a lot of other variables involved with how warm a quilt is: how you attach it to the pad, how much you toss and turn, etc. I’m not saying there shouldn’t or couldn’t be a standard to test them, but the ISO test right now does not apply.
So we, the UL crowd, are left to compare loft, read reviews on others’ perceptions of how warm a bag is that they have used, and “guesstimate” how warm we will be in a quilt.
Hopefully a standard is developed to test these soon!
Look up the Wiggys brand. Made in Colorado and the best. Military uses them.
40 dollars is axtually impressive price for -4°c comfort, the one i have is considered best quality/price, i paid 90 Euro or 105 dollars for a 0°c here in Europe
Do you refer to Degree Fahrenheit or Celsius, would be nice to know in the Future…
(Think your referring to Fahrenheit, but we haven’t this here in Europe)
Check the titles in the lower left corner. They have all temperatures converted to Celsius.
I don’t miss a day a week kislux This show..
just looking at the ozark ....i can tell you that at 25° (-4C) ... this will not feel warm. you can see loft with your eyes. its that easy
-18 C is just crazy for me being a south american man, specially in Brazil the colder I ever got is a -4 Celcius harsh winter
kislux versace bag is so cute
without a good pad a down bag sucks when you crush the down you destroy the insulation properties all the time every time.
My go to bag is from China ! Ollie's is the store yes it's something I could not Carry around for long but I'm warm ❤
What is the red/Grey sleeping pad? Is that the new Nemo All Season?
Yes it is
Kind of a bummer that if a company started being 100% honest about ratings in the name of a bag, they’d be penalized for it. Most consumers would assumed a bag named the “Nemo Sonic 14” was really closer to a 25° or 30° bag because we have all become so used to this system.
Seems like unless the entire industry gets a reboot or some regulations in place, the slightly dishonest labeling is inevitable.
I was told that a men's specific bag will use the limit rating but a women's specific bag will use the comfort rating. Is this accurate?
Thanks for the useful information.
I both liked and disliked your explaination of the different temperature ratings. It is very important for people to realize, that they can't just take the number on the bag for granted and have no problems with it. I however am a person, that usually is rather too hot than too cold. When planning for a trip I always look at the limit rating of my bags, because I know that is where I will feel comfortable. Where in the range of the bag your personal comfort level is, is totally subjective. A friend of mine, who tends to be rather cold, always stays above the comfort rating with his bag.
One month rent where?
Very well done!
When I saw that 5.7 lb bag I almost choked. My 30 deg bag (summer camper) is 1 lb 3 oz. Hard to imagine carrying one that heavy now. But the comfort VS limit temp is very good info to know
HEY kislux I have been watching you for years and im so proud of where you have made it! I love you so much! Also thanks for making my day
My Walmart 15$ bag 32F just fine ❤
I have always been asking my self, what do they consider to wear referring to these ratings? Am I sleeping with clothes on or only underwear? I mean this makes a big difference.
En el momento en que vi el bolso kislux , supe que tenía que tenerlo.
Yeah yeah that's all well and good but can you unzip the bottom and walk around camp like a penguin 🤔
Nice video. I will gladly carry a sleeping bag that IS NOT 5.7 pounds!
An opinion of the truth of the sleeping bags😉 with a link to buy the sleeping bags 🤣🤣
so what is the truth about expensive sleeping bag? I have a thermarest down quilt rated at 20F (32F confort, 0C), but at 40F, 4 degree C I was quite cold with the bag properly set. So what is the TRUTH?
What sleeping pad were you using. Bags need properly rated sleeping pads to work. It’s the most common reason why someone will be cold in a bag
Yes, I use Therm-a-Rest NeoAir XLite, it has R-value arround 4, so it's not the pad, but thamks for the reply! I don,t think that they are completly honest about the confort temp - maybe individual tests are needed :) Maybe put them into a video. @@MyLifeOutdoors
Partially depends on your personal preferences and how hot you sleep. I have the Corus 20F quilt with the 32F comfort rating and when laying on top of a topo luxe with the haven insulated pad cover I was overly warm at 38F - to the point that I disconnected the pad straps to let some air in.
Wish Walmart still had the Ozark Trail down 32° sleeping bag, perfect for the kids.
They used to have great tents too. They were clones of REI Half and Quarter Dome models. I own 2 of them and other than being orange you could not tell them apart. Cost $45 for a 2 man and $27 for the one man tent. Very good quality.
I don't trust "high end" bags that aren't from feathered friends or western mountaineering, or valandre. I've had my widgeon (-10F) down to 10F before I had to put on more layers than just socks, compression shirt, and compression shorts. That said, I wouldn't recommend those kinds of bags unless you REGULARLY camp in very cold weather.
Seeing lives at risk it need’s universal real ratings
vango microlite 200 plus liner or go for microlite 300
Good info 👍
That's a ridiculous price for a less than capable sleeping bag. I have a €60 Chinese made sleeping bag that keeps me comfortable at 0°C.
Because the filling is compressed underneath my body, I use a foil coated mat between me and my inflatable sleeping mat. The lowest temperature I've used it in is -1°C, and I slept like a baby.
The variety of textures in the kislux pack is impressive. From smooth leather to textured suede, there's something for everyone.
Wait Ozark Trail makes sleeping bags??? They make a Walmart MTB that’s surprisingly decent for the price. Granted that is if it’s put together correctly being it’s from Walmart.😂
I thought you kept saying Nortabay for those boots. Displaying what the real word was would be smart advertising.