DANGER in the Dyno Room - 440 6 Barrel MONSTER
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
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Not to take away from Nick or any of his work. I bought a 63 valiant station wagon with a slant 6 . I'm 63 I've been a mechanic all my life and my friend has been a mechanic for 68 years. Just spoke to him on the phone 5 minutes ago he was opening up the shop he's been there since 1976.. anyway I was trying to start my slant six Harold was here the old man he'll be 80 this week. The slant six had 30 lb of compression and Harold said it won't run. Minor tune-up and carburetor overhaul and the thing runs like a million dollars we were both completely shocked. But ya can't Kill a slant 6... I love Nick and everything he does he is very very Humble man ! Good bye 2023 🎉
it just freeze my spine when i have to change aprts inside an engine, we cant trust inb that garbage quality parts anymore.
Put a can of 8 cylinder Engine Restorer drive it for a month and retest compression
I am a mechanic my self and it's hard to find a honest one these days it's awsome to see one that's why his shop is one of the very best .
It's good to see Nick check, double check, triple check. He finds problems that are sneaky that could easily be overlooked.
Nick is always the consummate professional even when he make a small mistake hey owns up to it! Best mopar show on you tube bar none!
Thank you. Very much appreciated.
@@NicksGarage Nick you caused that fuel leak when you pulled the engine ,perhaps .
Nick what does 185 compression equal to in standard US numbers ?
Sure, but why run up an engine you don't know, run it a little, listen, then tune it to be sure nothing really bad goes wrong. One of those carbs is off no doubt, and do the compression and set the timing to a run well position to get started. The fuel leak drama was totally unnecessary...
@@zcam1969 It is standard imperial. 185 is 185 psi (pounds per square inch). All standard imperial measurements. In metric it would be 1275.53 kpa.
I’m a 45 year vw air cooled specialist. I have a love for big v8 engines also. Can’t beat muscle. My street chop top bug daily driver runs high 12’s low 13’s. 4 cyl. I appreciate nicks vast knowledge. And endless experience. Most of all his ability to relate in a way anyone can understand his process. He’s got his thing down. What a pro.
the 440 is a bruit force engine . best engine that Mopar ever built. i am 60 years old and when i hear 440 i stop watch and listen !
I love these dyno tests where Nick is operating solo and brainstorming out loud as he goes.
Thanks. We love the dyno too!
Personally, I hate having others around when I'm trying to trouble-shoot something. Even my closest friends. They might mean well, but they're a distraction. If I want expert advise, I'll talk to myself!
@@pb68slab18 You know, I actually agree with you. Even when I'd take my 68 440 b-body to the drag strip, I'd tend to pit fairly far off. Always having people standing over me while tuning etc tended to distract me. Was never a jerk about it but I need space to think about what I'm doing and not a lot of yik yakking going on.
Totally enjoy it.
Loved it when my dad would talk about why this was left or right or too loose/tight/hot or cold. Anytime he talked while I helped him in the garage, he was sharing himself. Now, I just have his tools and memories. I'm a lucky man.
Nick is just a knowledgeable, like able guy. Can’t get enough of theses videos
That high camera clip at the beginning was awesome.
Fantastic job Nick. I do compression test exactly the same as you. A 80yo retired mechanic taught me when I was 15yo, I'm 50 now.
Impressed with 185psi of cranking compression with cast iron heads. The fact the carbs are jetted so rich is protecting the engine from pinging itself to death. Probably also why it didn’t like the extra 2 degrees of ignition.
You make two excellent points. I wonder why the idle circuit is so lean though. Carb overhauls will probably fix both problems.
@@stephenmoxley3004 idle lean to clean and anti-foul the plugs when loafing around street driving. as long as it's instantly fat with the faintest touch of pedal, it shouldn't rattle itself apart. that's about the oldest trick in the books, although there's a fine line between lean and too lean!
the carbs are rich to supply fuel while its leaking
@@stephenmoxley3004 the idle circuit is low because its a rich environment with the hood closed and after throttle. drive it and let off and theres unburnt fuel everywhere inside and out.
160 is good compression on any healthy motor. 180 is also pretty normal.
A good friend just bot a '69 Corvair convert 140 4 carb HiPo 4 speed convert. We'll pick it up Friday. 2 owner California car in Detroit, not running due to (typical large valve) dropped valve seat... EZ PZ... I'm CORVAIRWILD!!! Red black black 54k
Sounds like a fun project.
Bot?? It's bought. Even a guy from overseas knows that grammar.
@@VineV-Dutch I thot sough
Nick. You are a very honest man! You could have had George edit that part out. But it shows you want to show the viewers the possible consequences of a fuel leak! 👍👍
The truth will set you free! 👍
I just love watching Nick work his magic building an engine then testing it on the dyno. This is relaxing, exciting, interesting and informative to watch. I used to rebuild engines with my dad starting as a teenager. Later on when I was working as a toolmaker in a small job shop I could custom make parts and machine what we needed for an engine and that definitely lead to some crazy projects. Watching these videos takes me back to those days with my dad. Thanks Nick for all you do! Cheers from the southern border of upstate New York.
Hi Nick and all your crew
Hello!
I was at MCACN, too many cars to see in one day. I'll be in Montreal in a bit, Tony will have his Olds 350 on your Dyno. I lugged this rare engine back from Houston in May, 1 of 1352 W31 small block 350s
You do get around!
That fuel line needs to be re-routed away from the distributor no matter what for safety, but you already know that Nick. Glad you saw the leak and avoided a fire. I`m sure once the refresh is done, Nick can get 1hp per cube. Nick at his best in his favorite room, the Dyno Room, mine too. I love watching the Master at work. As usual George, outstanding camera work.
I just rebuilt my six barrel carbs for my 440 about 6 months ago. And had several leaks I had to resolve. So I feel his pain. Nick you did good as always. I really like the look of a Six Barrel set up. And when those secondaries come in. Whow Nelly. What a kick in the butt. Thanks for the video Nick.
Thanks!
Thank YOU. We really appreciate the support. ❤️
A while ago, I was ignorant to a Six Pack setup.
But having putting one on my '74 Power Wagon I've owned since I ordered it from Dodge in August '73. 50 years ago this month! I installed it back in '91, and have been running it since then. I've become very familiar with it. I found an article in Mopar Muscle quite a few years back on tuning a set of 4 barrels on a Hemi. Which was an amazing help.
Essentially a Six Pack/ Six Barrel is one primary carb (center) and two secondaries (outboard). So tuning them isn't all that difficult.
I ended up drilling and tapping out the Idle Air Bleeds in the center carb so I could replace them for tuning. This helped with the too lean idle and tip in problems I was experiencing. I'm running a Quick Fuel metering block on the center primary carb. This also helps because it offers tuning on the Idle Fuel Restrictors. I also have Pro Form throttle bodies on the outboard carbs. They are the setup for tuning A/F ratios on them. Providing access. I'm running 3 Canton Phenolic Blocks under each carb. Which stops any heat issues.
All these things kill anybody trying to be totally stock. But... I drive my truck daily. And I would be willing to bet I put more mileage on a Six Pack engine than anybody else around.
I'm currently running a stroked 440 with Indy aluminum heads. A hydraulic roller cam. And it is a torque monster. I can be a handful driving it around. But that's what makes it so much fun.
For the whole story go to Ramcharger Central. com. Go down to the "Picture Section". Click on "Rams, Power Wagon's, D W 50's etc."
Search and click on "My '74 Power Wagon I Ordered from Dodge on 8/73".
I would put a link here, but You Tube won't let me.
The story is very long because it's been 50 years in the making.
It's always good to see the Mopar man working on Mopars and honestly figuring them out and then telling his clients honestly what needs to be done you don't find that very often Nick you're the best buddy and everyone loves you thanks for the you two.✌
Hi Dr.Nick, Hi George.
Hi Eric. Thanks for being here.
Man that's a tight 440, fresh paint , rebuild the carbs. Light the tires 👍
Yasoo palikari. Tuned in from Adelaide Australia
Right on Steve! 🇦🇺❤️
@@NicksGarage
I work in a petrol station in Lennox Head in Australia. It's a very small town.
Anyway a fella walked in yesterday with some go-fast racing brands on his shirt. Just to make small talk I said "Hey do you ever watch Nick's Garage on UA-cam?"
He said "Nick Panaritis? Yeah, best channel out there, guy's a legend."
So you're building an international reputation Nick, well done!
Nice lighting George! Glad nothing bad happened. Thanks guys! 😺
Thanks 👍
Damn near blew the Garage up .. that was a cloose one !
Nick and George, love the dyno room every time !!! That ol girl wasnt doing bad at all on horse power and toque . Nick , you build and tune those ol Mopars in your Sleep !!! When i saw the fuel running down the dist. ,my ol blood pressure jump for a bit !!! My luck I would have had a plug wire arching ...Great Monday Show !!!! Yall take care .
Absolutely the best auto show on utube! Would be a hit on cable.
It’s always a pleasure to watch the master. Great job guys!
So Cool Nick!! A reminder and lesson to always check the basics. Consistent high compression and overall smooth running, this makes a great cruiser.
I truely hate fuel leaks and fix them as soon as I see them. Lucky that I've only been in one car fire,and that was a cab of all things.
A portable fire extinguisher mounted to the back of the control room door might be an idea, Nick.
nice to see, step by step explanation, thank you.
I can spend hours looking at someone who is so passionate.☘️
You're very welcome!
I learn a whole lot from Nick. Hes the best😊
Awesome! Thanks.
Nice!
Thanks!
Those engine carburators are F****D up! The engine wouldn't shut off. I'm glad to see the compression test that tells a good story. Next time, it should be more exciting to watch after the carburators are rebuilt betters! This is a man's Soap Opra show!
I'm impressed you don't have fuel leaks, all those bloody inverted flare fittings and none of them all that easy to get a wrench on other than the front carb. They're also not fun to tune in the factory condition because they use metering plates on the secondary carbs.
Doesnt need an overhaul. Just a little loving from Nick
Dyno runs are always fun and interesting.....great job Nick
Made it 😊
Atta boy Moose!
It's a wonder it didn't burn up!
Have a smell of gas in the car I would think?
No. This was a fitting that was only used in the dyno.
I watch many carburetors from the top view now. I don't like the way the gas comes out.
As a retired motorcycle technician and machinist, doing what Nick does except dyno tuning I really enjoy watching him.
I used to adjust the fuel/air mixture by ear and used either vacuum gauges or mercury sticks to synchronize each carburetor to the other and set the ignition timing if adjustable. Test ride the bike to check for jetting needs etc. I built my own 1980 GS1000ET Suzuki inline four DOHC, undercut 5 speed transmission with 3.5mm 10.25 :1 O.S. pistons, aftermarket cams blue printed the engine Vance & Hines megaphone exhaust and Dyna ignition and Red line was 8,500 rpms and it would pull to 10,000 rpms in fifth gear at around 151 mph with stock carburetors and a box with a K&N air filter. The torque kept it pulling hard, but it was under geared. I probably could have got another 10 mph had I geared it taller, but i never did. It was a blast to ride. My previous bike, same year and model, but with stock pistons cams, but minor engine work, aftermarket carburetors with stock gearing would only pull to 7,800 rpms.
Nick it's a chilly 64° down here in south Florida. I say chilly because I'm a Floridian. 😁 I can wait to see the final HP and torque #'s when you're done tuming that engine. 🧓👍
Perfect digit nostalgic on this man's engine I would have done it the same way but in the car being I don't have a Dino GODSPEED NICK
George , mannnn, I love those intros you do crusing through the shop ...They just keep getting better along with your editing !!!! You and Nick make it the best Muscle Car Channel on UA-cam!!!!! Bar None !!!
Yea, He sounds like a pro radio personality. Smooth deep voice, confident and pleasant to listen to. 😊😊
The center carb is supposed to be a 350cfm, the two outers are 500cfm, for a total of 1350cfm
Dripping fuel from the boosters at high idle rpm
Yes 440! Thanks Nick 👍
Hi Nick, now you have a great car in there. Is that a true 58 283 Dual Quad Vette with a 4 speed? Now that is a car!! Hammer Screwdriver Test Light and Pliers. And the easiest engine to fix on the planet. Thanks 🙏
Isn't is a beauty? And in the same family for 50 years now.
Hi Nick I enjoy your videos I like your Dyno testing videos but must of all I like your show because it reminds of my 71 duster with a 340 with a sex pack I had to sale it to pay medical bills I really loved that car I always tried to save the money to get a nother 340 duster but something always came up now I am 73 and on social security so my dream of have a duster. But watching you show I get to see all the classic mopars thank you for putting on a great show
Man...Do I wish I had an engine dyno. That's the hot setup to maximize engine output.
That engine's got lots of power. A few adjustments, repair the carbs and watch it run!
Thanks for the video.
Good one Nick!
Right off the bat, I noticed the back carburetor fuel line was leaking.
Well spotted. We were two guys in the room and it still took us a minute.
I saw that too. Right at 5:25 of the video.
Center carb is lean, the outer two are dumping fuel, judging by the flow thru the boosters. I'd suggest lowering the outer carbs' float levels to temporarily see if it helps. They have metering plates, there are aftermarket plates which use jets. There may be 35hp in the jetting.
You are correct.
with that high of compression and cast iron heads, it will rattle itself to oblivion if leaned out much at all. (pre-ignition death). leave it alone, especially if they drive to higher altitudes than where it's currently at. while that lean was idle looked way overboard, lean idle is very old school plug clean/anti-foul for loafing around on the streets technique, it needs to instantly be fat/lots of accel pump on slightest pedal touch to not rattle apart.
Actually, higher altitudes will richen up the mixture even more, as there is less O2 per cubic foot at higher altitudes. This is also why more compression is used at higher altitudes. You could look it up.
Thanks for the personal reply, I watch all your episodes! @@nickpanaritis4122
@@richardfehr1838 in a perfect world yes, that's what always happens. in the real world with various carburetors, ignition systems, compression, spark pugs and head design, bad things can happen with any elevation change. like a second ignition in middle of exhaust/intake stroke.
example: waste spark ignition setup and too much leftover fuel with hot spots. yes that can happen even when it's rich.
nothing like some thin air to find flaws, as well as lean at sea level. 🤪
I guess not having fan blades when installed on the dyno is a plus to keep that fuel leak from flying everywhere.
Nick keeps a cool head, that comes from many years of experience. 😊
Nick I love what you do, your a consummate professional!
I hope next year I can make the drive up from Philadelphia pa to meet you and see what you do!
Dang man what were you thinking with a giant trail on the manifold. Turn the pump on and wait for the leak stone cold . That heat soak fuel spray is like a bomb . I would have condemned the carbs for an immediate rebuild or replacement with reproduction units. Sending you a blessing of protection brother be safe.$5 says the float needles are sticking on top of everything. The center was to lean trying to compensate for the other two flooding out .
A little nervous going in 😮
But my faith in Nick eases the worry
Holy Cow! The first minute of Nick's "Showroom' ! I hope it's all insured for loss/theft.. Beau tiful!
Interesting dyno test! My father had a 1970 Charger R/T that caught on fire the same way. Leaky spark plug wires and a fuel line starting spraying gas after the pump. It happened right after he started it one day at home. He got it put out quick but it was a mess cause he used one of those powdered soda fire extinguishers. It got it put out fast though. Didn't take much, just one spark from those old wires. There was minimal damage since it was put out so fast.
Nick, again you had me at the edge of my seat. Thank you for the adventure and cheers from Hamilton, Ontario.
Glad you enjoyed it.
Nick-this is the best video I've seen you make, Measured power displayed, Barometer displayed, Vapor pressure displayed, Temperature displayed, Humidity displayed, and last but not least the Correction factor displayed. You guys out there making dyno videos take note this is how its done! BTW I liked the negative TQ meter as the engine was running-very real numbers, 20 HP from the observed to the corrected, 1.032 correction.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Nick, I'm a long time fan and subscriber to your channel. Good catch on noticing the fuel leak before anything serious happened with the 440. At 12:38 in this video, you demonstrated that you have two fire extinguishers in your dyno room and as a retired Fire Prevention Officer with my municipality's fire department, I'm very glad to see that. However, I also couldn't help but notice that both fire extinguishers are free-standing on the floor. NFPA-10 (National Fire Protection Association - 10), The Standard for Portable Fire Extinguishers, states that portable fire extinguishers are to be mounted such that the bottom of the extinguisher is not closer than 4 inches (100mm) to the ground and the top of the extinguisher is not more than 5 feet (1.524 meters) above the floor. If the Fire Department in your part of Quebec is anything like the one I used to work for here in New Brunswick, then I would be hugely surprised to learn that they have ever sent a Fire Prevention Officer to your shop to perform a fire safety inspection, as our fire department, and the Provincial Office of the Fire Marshal (at least here in New Brunswick) tend to focus their inspection efforts more so on residential and institutional buildings (nursing homes, special care homes, etc.). Anyway, I just thought I'd let you know about that little technicality. Please keep up the great work you and your team do in keeping old school muscle flexing into the future.
I noticed fire extinguishers on the floor as well. I’m not a professional who can cite regulations, and I’m not Canadian, either, but I think the U.S. has similar OSHA or NFPA regulations. As part of the maintenance team at a major industrial site, it was my responsibility to perform a monthly inspection of our department’s 50-odd fire extinguishers. They were all mounted waist or chest high, and they all required identifying signage installed 10 ft above floor level so that the extinguishers could be located behind rolling rack, behind or beside machinery, etc. I’ve noticed similar signage in retail settings (Walmart, Lowe’s, etc. As a technician, I questioned the need for installing the signage, but I came to see the wisdom of it. Now, entering an an establishment, a quick glance around tells me where every extinguisher in the room is, and I find comfort in the knowledge.
Love it. Ty for sharing the footage Nick. One day I hope to have another car that makes me smile again when I drive it. God Bless.
Greetings from South Carolina Nick & crew. The Dyno room always gets my motor running. Looks like you have some tuning to do either those carbs. Interested to see the numbers after the rebuild.👍✌️
We love the dyno too! And yes, we will keep you up to date.
they very likely tuned it fat to cope with higher altitudes and high compression(what's a little HP cost vs. it rattling itself apart!).
lean idle cleans the plugs when loafing around the streets, although that looked way too lean, the air cleaner and angle of engine in vehicle can change it somewhat.
run hard/dyno pull, just idle a bit before trying to shut down, even with lean idle the heads/valves/seats/plugs will cool and it should shut down smoothly.
Nick, you need an emergency stop button in the dyno room that will kill all electric power instantly so that you dont have to walk all the way back to the observatory to shut down. I love watching you run mopar goodness on that dyno. Dont burn down all that awesomeness in the shop!
Nick
Your capitulator is out of adjustment on your dyno! Time to resync the two demler tubes inside the variable spin turbine!😂😂😂😂😂
I know too well this scenario. I had a bad leak on the banjo fitting of my Edelbrock carb on my 396. The points ignited it and it was a near disaster. Burned the wiring harness and all the plug wires. Now I’m always on the lookout for fuel leaks.
You're right on track with the carburetors overhaul. 😊❤
Great 👍 video as always Nick'
Close call in the room good thing you seen it
Yes it was!
Great video Nick! That’s a hell of an engine!
Bloody fortunate it did not catch fire in the car!
Perish the thought.
Motor dieseling on shut off. Maybe lots of carbon on valves from
Rich mixture. Pull heads. Clean up heads and fix carbs.
With it loading up on fuel during the test it has to clear that fuel out before it will shut down!
Thank you Nick
Thank you!
Nick, you have a loose booster closest to the distributor, gas is coming out of where its mounted and getting sucked in the air bleed hole
Nice vid Nick. I noticed right away the rear carb was leaking at the beginning of the video. Just after you turned on the fuel pump.
Gas spray is very weak in the center carb, very strong on the other two hardly any spray when wide open on the center one
Honesty is the best policy.. great job Nick aka Bob Barker from (the price is right)
Thanks Nick good job learn something today on compression test thank you
A Fantastic view Nick! Appreciate this amazing video on the 440 6pack lol I remember my friends GTX with the 440 6p he had a solenoid & switch in the glove box to lift or drop the hood scoop! Lol as a young buck that got me into Mopar. Appreciate your efforts and quality content Nick appreciate you Bro for all you do friend.
Luv&Peace!
Cheers !🍻 to you & your awesome family! To health,happiness & success! 💛✌🏼💫
The engine is not running backwards, whern you turn it off. It won run backwards. The idle furel mixture is very lean coupled with high compression, high combustion chamber temp, possible spark plug tips glowing and increased throttle opening at idle setting. This causes "Dieseling" or "self Ignition" . Also higher octane fuel may help a little, but not necessary if the other issues are corrected..
Need an idle Solenoid for for shut-off from idle. Known for Six Packs.
Cold French fries, ahhh, that's a really Big no no, for sure.
Hope to see a follow up video Nick! Thanks.
Nick, loved this video. Would have loved to see 1 dyno run with a single carb and manifold run on it.
Great suggestion!
thank God he didn't blow the Garage up .
You're a bad ass nick
As long as the gasoline does not vaporize it will not ignite. Also, I think I would have flipped that rubber hose/metal tubing away from the distributor towards the other side of the engine.
I did, but the fuel line was hitting the vacum advance not allowing it to go on the other side.
man that thing has some compression must be 12 :1 or better it almost needs a bigger cam or lower the comp down to 10.5 to 1 to suit the cam
Great content thanks for sharing
I think that guy is related to Thomas Tusser, lol.
Nick rules!!!👍👍
Love your passion, videos, content,, can you maybe do a comparison on the 440,and Chevy 427
Definitely nice sounding engine👍
It sure is!
Hi Nick noticed that there was hardly any stumble when the 6 pa c k opened
Yeah, not too bad. 👍
Try putting a riser under the Carbs. My 440 in my 68 Charger has same compression. That's healthy & powerful !
wow! this engine must have 11 to 1+ compression ratio, it would be interesting to see the difference in Horsepower and Torque by installing headers
It’s the vapors you need to worry about
Running as rich as it does, the possibility of carbon buildup is high. The carbon can cause run-on. Also running hotter spark plugs to get a good reading at street speeds, but the ground strap may glow under lean conditions causing that dieseling. I truly appreciate the detail Nick does!
Great video Nick, thank you for sharing!
Glad you enjoyed it!
ANY long rubber fuel line in an engine compartment is a no no. Ask any Corvair owner.
That is a NO-NO.
WOW!!! Too close for comfort!! Thank God Nick found those leaks (ESPECIALLY that 3rd one)before something bad happened. I was driving a friend's car years ago, it had a carb problem and caught fire WHILE I was driving it!!! Thank God for Nick's patience and thoroughness. Great week, all!!
So did you get it out or did it burn to the tires ???
@@bluecollar58 thankfully, we did get it extinguished, but not before it destroyed some of the wiring. It was an AMC Javelin with a pumped up 390, which we did get running again.
I was taught five revolutions everything else exactly the same. six 1 way half a dozen the other.😂
Awesome show good job Nick will be interested in how much more horsepower you get with rebuild carps keep them coming and see you Monday