Hi man, i can see the frustration on your face but trust me this ticking noise from the engine is totally normal and there is so many stories online about it. I have a 2018 Goldwing and i have been hearing the ticking noise which comes and goes since day one without any issues as well as a lot of my friends who bought the latest generation Goldwing. enjoy the rides and am sure if you ever faced any problems with it, it will be covered by the warranty.
thanks for the reply. and the feed back. I took it to a different mechanic and he explained it to me. still makes the noise but as long as its normal then I am good with it. have a great day
I have a 2024 Gold Wing Tour DCT and purchased it new. I live 1.5 hours from the dealer and it was delivered to my house without a test ride. It had three miles on the odometer. The next day on my first ride I noticed an abnormal ticking noise from the right side cylinder bank. I read forum posts and watched UA-cam videos. I contacted the dealer and they said it was normal for this generation of motor. After living with it a few days, I made a video and sent it to the dealer. They said I could bring it in for an inspection and would check the valves, but they didn’t believe anything was wrong. I decided to check the valve clearances myself and they all were right in the center of the specified tolerance range. I also purchased an automotive stethoscope and isolated the noise to the number 5 cylinder (the one on the right side furthest to the rear). A few more days went by and I rode it to the dealer and let them listen to it for themselves in person. They agreed the ticking sound was abnormally loud. I went home and they picked up the motorcycle a few days later and had it for 16 days before I got it back. They contacted the corporate Honda tech center in South Carolina and were told to check several things: valve clearances, cam chain, cam chain tensioner, and to look into the cylinders with a borescope. They did not believe it was an injector issue, due to the location of the injectors relative to where the noise was coming from. The valves were right in the middle of the specified range for all intake and exhaust valves (just as I had measured them). The cam chain and tensioner were fine. The dealer thought they saw something inside the #5 cylinder with the borescope and then removed the head. However, they said it had been an illusion so-to-speak created by oil in the cylinder and everything was fine. They put everything back together and because nothing had been altered, the noise still existed. Then corporate Honda told them to tighten all of the exhaust valves on the right side to the tightest spec value of 0.03 inches. The normal specified range for the exhaust valves is 0.03 to 0.05 inches. Believe it or not, this solved the problem. They probably only needed to tighten the #5 cylinder’s exhaust valves, but they tightened all of them on the right side per corporate Honda’s instructions. I’m pleased the motorcycle is fixed but frustrated with Honda and the dealer, as this noise was present from new. I hope this information helps.
Addendum to previous post: I got the motorcycle back from the dealer after the exhaust valves had been tightened to their minimum specified clearance and the noise had only slightly abated. I would estimate the ticking noise was about 75% as loud as it had been. I contacted the dealer, who then contacted corporate Honda, and they picked up my motorcycle up and took it back to the dealer. The next plan by corporate Honda was to replace the rocker arms, but my dealer noticed something unusual about the oil journal that supplies oil to the camshaft. It looked too shallow. They were able to convince corporate Honda to send an entire new head, camshaft, and all other parts associated with a head. The new head arrived and the oil journal was in fact 0.006” deeper in the new head. The dealer thought this was significant and it would affect oil supply to the last rocker. Anyway, the entire head and all associated parts were replaced and the problem was solved. I have the motorcycle back and can attest after a couple hundred miles that the noise is gone. The right and left sides sound the same.
Absolutely, either Honda or the dealership should pay for it. the problem is that most companies or organizations, forgot about customer service. you’re right, as a plumber you feel responsible for something not working properly, after you worked on it, that’s because you’re old-school, you believe in customer service.
Honda should definitely be resolving the issue with a brand new motorcycle. I can’t believe it was ever questioned. Glad they finally did the right thing
Hi, I live in the U.K. and have a 2021 DCT Tour. My engine started to make the ticking sound from the front right side cylinder bank at around 1000 miles, and although I was just as alarmed as you were I decided to research the issue on the online forums. The one thing that has improved the engine sound is switching to higher octane gasoline, the bike definitely runs quieter and is more responsive, run your tank low and top up with premium, it’s worth a shot!
You are absolutely correct in expecting Honda or the dealership to adjust the valves at no cost to you. As a side note I am glad I watched this video because I too bought a new 2023 , new in the crate, 0 miles and almost immediately noticed a ticking from the right side cylinder bank. I can now assume that this ticking is normal and just the nature of this beast.
All three of my Goldwing's had a ticking noise. None caused any issues even after many thousands of miles. My experiences were this noise is minor and if you put on your helmet or tunes, you likely will never know. Also never adjusted anything unless a service worker did so during a routine interval that I was not aware. Honda valve adjustment is 32,000 miles. Good Rides
My 2021 dct ticks a bit leaving the house but never returning to the house. Purrs when fully warm. Highly suggest changing the oil every 4000 miles not 8000. Keep the oil in that fine engine and clutch fresh.
I know others have responded but I just came across this post. I am in the UK and have a 2018 DCT Wing that I bought new over 4 years ago that now has over 23000 miles on it. Mine has always made a ticking noise while warming up. It starts about 30 seconds after starting and gradually diminishes until the motor is fully warmed up by which time there is no ticking at all. It seems that most of them do this to varying degrees and I am not aware of it ever causing any problems. Certainly I haven't had any problems with mine. I am not sure what causes it. Some say it is the valves others say it is the injectors. Whatever it is it seems that it is pretty normal and probably not much to worry about.
Congratulations on your new magic carpet, and it's red too. I have an FJR but I understand that when you have a quite machine the ticks, whistles, whines and grunts are more noticeable. I recently changed tires and the sounds are different and at different speeds and lean angles. I do all the maintenance including deep dives into the bowels as needed to keep everything in harmony. I would have had my electronic stethoscope hooked up to locate the noise as you can listen while riding. Once you know the location you can have chat with the service techs, or in my case, pull out the shop manual and identify the potential culprit. Personally I would be checking the valve clearances myself. It's a bit more complex on an FJR. On the expectation side, if the noise is noticeable and the techs agree then it should be fixed, the dealer and Honda can decide how to fund it, it should be transparent to you. I am with you, the old fashioned hand shake and stand by your work. A happy customer is money in the bank, yes, there are some you will never please but they are rare, soul destroying but rare. So enjoy you magnificent machine, turn up the music, smell the roses. Hope this helps.
Had the same problem on my 2018 Wing. After a lot of back and forth with the dealer as you have done, I found my solution. Add an extra 1/2 quart of oil. It quiets the ticking noise a lot.
I just changed the oil in my new to me 2018 DCT….I don’t know what oil was in it previously, but I put in Amsoil full synthetic 10W30….when I started the bike I heard the ticking which wasn’t there previously….it seems to go away shortly after starting it….reading online, it seems pretty common but I think i’ll go see the dealer next week and see what they have to say about it….ride safe
I bought a ‘23 at end of October ‘23. Got it home and noticed the same tick. Contacted dealer. Sent them video. The dealer sent video to Honda. They said it was normal that it is documented…to just ride it. I wasn’t satisfied. I had the dealer come pick it up (100 miles away in winter). I paid for transportation but the dealer agreed to check valve clearances and chain tensioners at their cost. Two were slightly out of specs but they corrected it. But…nothing changed. Tick is still there. Now I know it’s documented since I got a work sheet from dealer. Was told that if it fails…there’s proof and it will be repaired. Rode 1500+ miles since and no issues yet. I will continue to keep an eye/ear out for anything though.
Ya me too. I guess its normal for Goldwings. to make that noise. Ive had alot of people tell me that. its just the idea of it and the way it was handled. thanks for the comment.
You will hear lifter tapping occasionally just from switching from convetional oil to synthetic because of the velocity difference. It will come and go and sure you can pay to have a lifter check/adjustment or return to conventional to hide it.
If you could sit on top of your car/truck engine the whole time you’re driving, you’d hear all sorts of strange ticks, clicks, etc. but it never hurts to get it checked out. How did this situation end? Noise fixed?
Hello, I purchased a new 2023 Honda Goldwing Tour DCT in mid July and it currently has around 120 miles recorded. I always keep the bike on the center stand and yes I noticed the ticking sound appearing to be coming from the engine right side. The ticking seems to go away after the engine warms up and the engine sounds appear normal. I noticed the ticking after a cold start and the garage temperature was around 80 degrees F. This was on my second ride from bike purchase. I will continue to monitor and keep the dealer advised. The ticking sound seems to be quite common with Goldwing owners. All the Best, James.
I totally agree with you... Corporations definitely don't stand behind their products anymore....My 2018 tour dct started the right side tick at 15k.... Disturbed by it at first, however after reading many comments about it on forums, sadly it's pretty normal. Bike still runs great, I've gotten used to it
I have to say starting in '18 a redesign of the engine with 4 valves per cylinder while tweaking the internals and redoing the gearbox maybe doing all this wasnt perfected yet and still in its experimental stage and things are going wrong whereas the prior Gen 5 '17 and under 1800 was already a bulletproof perfected engine. My motto is if it ain't broke don't fix it😮
I can understand the dealers issue. If Honda doesn’t stand tall and address the issue the dealer doesn’t want the liability in case something doesn’t go right. My 2021 DCT does make a slight tick but not enough to cause concern and I never hear it when riding, at 17k miles it sounds just like it did off the showroom floor. Checking valve clearance isn’t a big deal, shouldn’t take more than an hour but if any valve needed adjusting they need to check all 6 cylinders. The valves adjust by shims which takes more time than the screw adjusters did. I’d be surprised if it’s a valve but worth a check if Honda says they’ll take care of it and gives a paper trail in case it gets worse later. Enjoy the ride, it’s a spectacular machine.
So Honda paid for it. However I wonder what would have happened if Honda would not have paid for it. I wonder if the deader would have took care of it.
I totally agree with your thoughts, the service department should not of even questioned the valve check and just gone ahead and made good, it's not good for Honda to act in this manner when they are selling a premium product you expect them to honour there workmanship. I own a 2020 goldwing DCT tour and you do get a slight ticking due to the fuel system but it's certainly not noticeable when you are riding. Good luck with the outcome and standby your morals.... you owe them nothing.
It's always better to have slightly looser (adjusted to the loose side of the spec) than tighter valve clearance due to the thermal expansion factor. Now I'm not saying the valves clearance should be looser than spec, but mine 2024 has a slight ticking sound also, I'm not worried about it at all. Valve gear makes noise, they are under an exposed cylinder head cover of thin aluminum, you're going to hear noise. Ever see a modern car engine? Huge thick plastic cover on top of the valve cover with sound deadening insulation under it; that's to dampen the valve noise folks. If Honda put that on the Goldwing, you wouldn't hear a thing.
Totally agree with you, sir. And that's a bunch of horse crap to even ask you or even involve you in their decision-making while dealing with Honda. The salesman should of said yeah Honda will take care of it or we will no worries. Be safe.
Thanks guys for bringing this topic, recently I purchased a 2024 Honda Goldwing tour after 6000K. I hear this ticking noise. My question is to the gentleman who post this video, does the ticking sound gone completely after the service.?
No the ticking noise was still there. I did watch a comment where the service guy tightened the valves to the max the specs would allow and it did seem to help a lot. but now my ticking noise is still there.
If it helps, my 2021 Tour DCT makes the same noise, and have been told and have read that it's normal. I have 30k miles on mine, no issues. By the way, wish you were in my neck of the woods, i need help from a plumber! Hehe... Ride safe!
Thanks for sharing. I have found out the same thing. that its normal I have 4000 miles on it now and it still runs great. love the bike its so easy to ride.
it did not but I have learned that its normal for the bike to do so. Ive been told that putting it on the center stand when its parked can help. thanks for the comment.
I am going through the same thing now. But I paid the 317.85 for the dealer to check them and was told a few a little loose, but within speck. They also neglected to call honda whi h I have acase with. I took it home and apart and made a video of me checking the valves and sent it to honda a powerspot place. It turns out it is a bad adjustment of the valves from the factory on the right side.if they don't do anything I will put out the video as is. If honda takes care of it I will tone it down for educational.
I had a 2019 Wing, purchased brand new, never heard any ticking. I traded it for a brand new 2022 Wing. I only have 1400 miles on it. A few months ago ago while I was warming it up in my garage, I heard ticking on the right side. I thought I was crazy. I just had my oil changed though I’m not at the suggested 4,000 miles for 1st OC, I figured after 2 years it was time to change the oil regardless of miles. I haven’t run the bike other than to ride home from the dealer OC, so I don’t know if the ticking remains. But I also know that there should be no ticking from pretty much still new $30,000 Wing with 1400 miles on it. I should add, the bike runs fine, but that ticking isn’t right..
My 2021 Goldwing1800 has only totalled 2,700 miles and immediately after its second service (in fact, the day after collection) I heard an extremely loud valve overlap/piston clatter followed by and immediate constant ticking from the right hand bank at idle and a bad rattle at revs. I called the Agent and surprisingly they asked me to ride iit back in for a check over. Only a 7 mile journey and they decided that a valve adjustment was all that was required. I rode home and returned it only for the rectification to take the Agent one month to complete. On second collection, I rode home (another 7 miles) and the machine was spitting back through the manifold and hunting badly. I returned the bike for another diagnosis and was told to take it home again. Needless to say................. It has exploded. It's now only running on five cyliders and sounds horrendous, won't idle and vibrates to high heavens.
Wow buddy Im sorry to hear that. I wonder what happened. I'm not for law suites. but this might be a situation that might lead to one. most of us have no other choice to trust are mechanics. Plus that's why we pay them. let me know what happens. thanks for the info
Absolutely, If the dealer does not push hard enough on your behalf to get it covered than the Service Dept should back charge the Sales Dept invoice on your sale. Then they could send that bill to Honda to prove the work was performed. Not your problem it is their problem. It's not a used bike.
I spent 40-years in the HVAC trade and occasionally manufacturer’s defects will undermine your best efforts. Fix immediately. In the short term warranty repairs may cost the provider time and money but over the long haul a satisfied clientele is your best advertisement. The dealer should have jumped on this a.s.a.p. and filed a claim with Honda. At the retail level an occasional warranty denial is part of the cost of doing business but in no way should you have been expected to absorb the expense.
Honda UK are an embarrassment to themselves. 2021 Goldwing with less than 3,000 miles on the clock decided to eat it valves. Nothing unusual there… Just UA-cam “Goldwing ticking noise”…. It’s quite a well known phenomenon that Honda know about…. but will vehemently deny. Unable to use the machine to save further damage, total breakdown and a potential injury accident, I have to wait weeks for an appointment for a ‘diagnosis’ (on a defect they already know about!). Once dropping the bike off at the Dealers they claim to have adjusted the valves and simply hand the machine back still running on five cylinders, coughing back through the inlet tract and stalling. I call Honda UK for help and they say…. “No can do, you’ll have to fix the thing at your own cost as it is now out of Warranty”. S’Funny that….. it was in Warranty when I took the bike in months with the fault reported earlier. Slippery b*st*rds. I bet they delete this post…. So I’ve copied and will add to any later Sponsored ad’s that they do. It certainly will be added to the Cruiseman Garage UA-cam Channel. After years of buying new Honda they have ruined their reputation and are nothing but charlatans and vipers. My Supplier/Dealers did nothing wrong, they were excellent too. Chucked under the ‘bus by Honda UK. What a crazy situation?
thats what I try to do my friend. but the noise doesnt bother me anymore. I just worry about noises but know that I know its normal then it doesnt bother me anymore.
Honda has always been that way. They think their sh@t never needs warranty work. Im pretty sure I'm going to buy the Indian pursuit. Their customer service is outstanding. I am going to wait until 2024 comes out before I buy a new bike.
ya know. I like the Indian persuit a lot to but what I don't like is what they did with the Victory. Polaris is the one that owns Indian and they also owned victory. when they totally dumped victory, they left all the owners of that bike behind. just to take the Indian name. I think Indian is a great bike. maybe the best out there. but that wasn't cool what they did with the Victory Line.
20 DCT Tour with 15K.. The new Gen is singing a bit. yes, it has its own beauty sound and very soft ticking. In fact, I think the older gen is quitter. I have used 87-93 Octane, same for me. One thing I was told, once you are back from a ride and will not ride the next day, have her on a center stand. Even lube position/bath due to the nature of this boxer. Change the oil on time(I do every 5K) cause I like higher speeds and I strongly recommend to use Honda 10-30, GN4 oil. I don't use anything else. Honda will not address this issue. Its the nature of the 6 gen wing. We have standard lifters. They are not hydraulic.
Standard lifters might have a little bit to do with this versus self adjusting hydraulic but no one's even certain it has anything to even do with the lifters.. Does putting in premium fuel help at all?
@@seatime674 I was actually surprised to hear the 6 gen doesn’t carry hydraulic lifters, when I got mine. I never tried to use premium gas in mine. Always 87 as the book says. Going to try that in the Spring. Also, maybe 10-30 Honda synthetic oil will help a bit.
@@alp3781 Yes only use Motul 4T MA2 5100 Full Synthetic 10w/40. That totally quiets your gears in shifting and might have a positive effect on the Piston & valve train. Remember this new redesigned 1800cc for 2018+ has 4 valves per cylinder now instead of 2 with an obvious new rocker cam so you're probably just hearing an all-new hummm from a different designed motor now and there's probably nothing wrong with it at all. Then again maybe because their standard lifters some left the factory a wee bit out of adjustment and might just need another adjustment.. I'm just curious next time do a couple fills with super premium gas and see if there's any difference ...
@@humbleplumbersadventures4602 I just watched another video on this. Every time you come back from a ride put in on the center stand then try it in the morning.. People say on the Flat 6 when it's on the left stand all the oils on the left side of the engine and on Startup it's displaced too much so try the center stand for a while and see if that's the difference and let us know
In my opinion if Honda says there is a problem then yes Honda should fix it. If Honda won’t fix the problem then yes the dealership should stand behind the bike cause they sold it to you…
UPDATE. Since my comment posted below Honda have simply chucked me under a 'bus. The engine exploded within 14 miles of having the valves adjusted by the Dealer. Honda have declined to look at the machine and told me that it is no longer in Warranty, In actual fact there is some nime months left outstanding.
nothing to fix i have 2018 tour nothing to adjust. fuel injectors can be loud i found using premium fuel makes little better. have taken bike on many 2000 plus mile rides sounds same as when bought always made little sound, as far as oil worries try leaving on center stand to keep oil even if sitting long time. also do not listen to anyone who does not own one save for entertainment only.
Definitely you never should have to pay for something like that, you bought a brand new bike with no miles on it, from a certified dealer, it's their responsibility under warranty.
The new engine 2018+ has the common shim and bucket system on the intake cams. The exhaust valves and cams use a trailing arm rocker setup. They are going to make more noise. And some a have a slightly loose valve lash setting from the factory. While the setting may well be within spec that one or two valves will stand out like a sore thumb. At 12k miles I adjusted mine myself. One exhaust valve set on each side of the engine. Was a two beer job, done and over with. Honda is not the company they use to be. I worked in trade/craft and I don't have the time or stomach to put up with Bull Shit spewing large mega companies that should be made to fall on there sword. Buy the bike from Honda and there sorry dealer and never darken there door again. Mine also has a clutch switch issue. No fix from Honda but to replace the clutch switches. So if it acts up I just pop out the old clutch switches, pop the new ones in and forget about it. Mine also had a finale drive leak. Yes Honda would have covered the leak and fixed it. Heck I even have there stupid extended warranty. I would have had to wait on the idiots at Honda to approve the repair,,, then wait on the dealer to get the bike into there shop and then wait on them to fix it. Got to looking at the parts. O-Rings and seal $40 in parts including shipping. I fixed it myself. That was a four beer job. Just the way things are now days. Even the so called best made is junk now days......
I want to try to lighten the mood for just one moment. In this video, you look like you could snap and run that motorcycle into a tree. I don’t know any other way to say it. The noise is normal. It sounds as if the valves may need to be adjusted my bike ticks and has been ticking, for I don’t know how long. But what I do know is I remember the morning I started my bike up and I heard that very first tick. The bike was under warranty. I started hooping and hollering. I called everybody and I really learned some not so great things about the company, Honda and their position on fixing things. But what is a great great source of help is Goldwing docs and forums just like that. The amount of help that you will get from just asking a simple question is retarded you’re not going to be able to read all of the help that you’re going to get it nobody is going to waste your time. Or waste their time. On my journeys, I’ve run into other Goldwing owners, and we share stories about the tick. And the highlight of the story is how angry we were when we first heard it. And so I laughed now because there is nothing wrong with the bike, and even though I haven’t heard your bikes tick, if someone said to you that it sounds like the shims,, then I’m pretty confident saying there’s nothing wrong with your bike. What it is I want to say is you can sleep easy there’s nothing wrong with your bike. So to run a small test if you have a car. Start the engine and then lift up the hood and listen for all the sounds that it makes I almost guarantee you you will be able to hone in on a light ticking sound. I really must say I’m not sure that Honda realizes that this is a big problem for a Goldwing owner and that they should fix it or build an engine where we don’t hear that ticking sound. I wish that they could engineer that. In closing just know you will not be happy about what you hear from the dealership and even if they do the shims, the noise will come back at some point. Could get expensive. As you ride the bike more, you will become more confident in your machine. At this point you’re going to baby it because you don’t want it to get worse. So before you take my advice, go to the Goldwing forum. Or Goldwing docks submit your question and read the testimonials and then maybe do an update to this video after you formulate an opinion based on what you’ve read and the feedback you may have gotten. Hope to see you out there.
Thanks for the feed back. I was pretty upset about it. I know you are right its a normal noise. I think the thing that frustrated me the most is the shop I bought it from said if Honda didn't take care of the bill to fix it then I would have. to. they could have done the research for me and explained the problem to me. thanks again for the comment.
Late to the game here. But this should not even be a question on who should pay for it. Honda should. You brought your new bike in for an abnormal noise to you and the tech should have at least checked .
thanks for the comment pal. Honda did check the valves. I guess the noise is normal I wish my mechanic would have just said that right off the bat. its just the idea of why even ask me if i would be willing to pay for it.
lol...this must be the woke feeling channel. omg...gravity drains the lifters when parked on the kick stand. use the center stand. no more god damn feelings, okay. balls on...crying, off
My 2022 did it but has since went away. I figure its under warranty so if it explodes they'll have to fix it. Its a honda just drive it. And no I dont think you should have to pay for it. Your over thinking this whole thing.
Your probably right. I am overthinking it. but I just worry about it causing problems in the future. I've been told its normal though so it doesnt bother me like it did.
You are absolutely in the right. They always act like service is their priority until they have to do it.
that is so true, if they have to eat it then they dont want to
Hi man, i can see the frustration on your face but trust me this ticking noise from the engine is totally normal and there is so many stories online about it. I have a 2018 Goldwing and i have been hearing the ticking noise which comes and goes since day one without any issues as well as a lot of my friends who bought the latest generation Goldwing. enjoy the rides and am sure if you ever faced any problems with it, it will be covered by the warranty.
thanks for the reply. and the feed back. I took it to a different mechanic and he explained it to me. still makes the noise but as long as its normal then I am good with it. have a great day
That's absolute nonsense. Mine exploded at 2,700 miles.
I have a 2024 Gold Wing Tour DCT and purchased it new. I live 1.5 hours from the dealer and it was delivered to my house without a test ride. It had three miles on the odometer. The next day on my first ride I noticed an abnormal ticking noise from the right side cylinder bank. I read forum posts and watched UA-cam videos. I contacted the dealer and they said it was normal for this generation of motor. After living with it a few days, I made a video and sent it to the dealer. They said I could bring it in for an inspection and would check the valves, but they didn’t believe anything was wrong. I decided to check the valve clearances myself and they all were right in the center of the specified tolerance range. I also purchased an automotive stethoscope and isolated the noise to the number 5 cylinder (the one on the right side furthest to the rear). A few more days went by and I rode it to the dealer and let them listen to it for themselves in person. They agreed the ticking sound was abnormally loud. I went home and they picked up the motorcycle a few days later and had it for 16 days before I got it back. They contacted the corporate Honda tech center in South Carolina and were told to check several things: valve clearances, cam chain, cam chain tensioner, and to look into the cylinders with a borescope. They did not believe it was an injector issue, due to the location of the injectors relative to where the noise was coming from. The valves were right in the middle of the specified range for all intake and exhaust valves (just as I had measured them). The cam chain and tensioner were fine. The dealer thought they saw something inside the #5 cylinder with the borescope and then removed the head. However, they said it had been an illusion so-to-speak created by oil in the cylinder and everything was fine. They put everything back together and because nothing had been altered, the noise still existed. Then corporate Honda told them to tighten all of the exhaust valves on the right side to the tightest spec value of 0.03 inches. The normal specified range for the exhaust valves is 0.03 to 0.05 inches. Believe it or not, this solved the problem. They probably only needed to tighten the #5 cylinder’s exhaust valves, but they tightened all of them on the right side per corporate Honda’s instructions. I’m pleased the motorcycle is fixed but frustrated with Honda and the dealer, as this noise was present from new. I hope this information helps.
thanks for the comment buddy
Addendum to previous post: I got the motorcycle back from the dealer after the exhaust valves had been tightened to their minimum specified clearance and the noise had only slightly abated. I would estimate the ticking noise was about 75% as loud as it had been. I contacted the dealer, who then contacted corporate Honda, and they picked up my motorcycle up and took it back to the dealer. The next plan by corporate Honda was to replace the rocker arms, but my dealer noticed something unusual about the oil journal that supplies oil to the camshaft. It looked too shallow. They were able to convince corporate Honda to send an entire new head, camshaft, and all other parts associated with a head. The new head arrived and the oil journal was in fact 0.006” deeper in the new head. The dealer thought this was significant and it would affect oil supply to the last rocker. Anyway, the entire head and all associated parts were replaced and the problem was solved. I have the motorcycle back and can attest after a couple hundred miles that the noise is gone. The right and left sides sound the same.
Absolutely, either Honda or the dealership should pay for it. the problem is that most companies or organizations, forgot about customer service. you’re right, as a plumber you feel responsible for something not working properly, after you worked on it, that’s because you’re old-school, you believe in customer service.
Thanks for the comment Pal
Honda should definitely be resolving the issue with a brand new motorcycle.
I can’t believe it was ever questioned.
Glad they finally did the right thing
I agree. they did take care of it but its just the idea of it. thanks for the feedback
Hi,
I live in the U.K. and have a 2021 DCT Tour.
My engine started to make the ticking sound from the front right side cylinder bank at around 1000 miles, and although I was just as alarmed as you were I decided to research the issue on the online forums.
The one thing that has improved the engine sound is switching to higher octane gasoline, the bike definitely runs quieter and is more responsive, run your tank low and top up with premium, it’s worth a shot!
I will try that thanks
It's buggered, it will explode............. Mine did.
@@davidebbs6146OH stop it...
@@humbleplumbersadventures4602is it still ticking after putting it up on the center stand??
I only use high test/super in my Wing, and still had the ticking..
You are absolutely correct in expecting Honda or the dealership to adjust the valves at no cost to you. As a side note I am glad I watched this video because I too bought a new 2023 , new in the crate, 0 miles and almost immediately noticed a ticking from the right side cylinder bank. I can now assume that this ticking is normal and just the nature of this beast.
I can’t believe it was even a question!
All three of my Goldwing's had a ticking noise. None caused any issues even after many thousands of miles. My experiences were this noise is minor and if you put on your helmet or tunes, you likely will never know. Also never adjusted anything unless a service worker did so during a routine interval that I was not aware.
Honda valve adjustment is 32,000 miles.
Good Rides
Ya they don't bug me anymore. I just wanted to make sure it wasnt something that needed fixed.
My 2021 dct ticks a bit leaving the house but never returning to the house. Purrs when fully warm. Highly suggest changing the oil every 4000 miles not 8000. Keep the oil in that fine engine and clutch fresh.
I know others have responded but I just came across this post. I am in the UK and have a 2018 DCT Wing that I bought new over 4 years ago that now has over 23000 miles on it. Mine has always made a ticking noise while warming up. It starts about 30 seconds after starting and gradually diminishes until the motor is fully warmed up by which time there is no ticking at all. It seems that most of them do this to varying degrees and I am not aware of it ever causing any problems. Certainly I haven't had any problems with mine. I am not sure what causes it. Some say it is the valves others say it is the injectors. Whatever it is it seems that it is pretty normal and probably not much to worry about.
Really appreciate the post pal. Ride safe.
ABSOLUTELY without question.
Congratulations on your new magic carpet, and it's red too. I have an FJR but I understand that when you have a quite machine the ticks, whistles, whines and grunts are more noticeable. I recently changed tires and the sounds are different and at different speeds and lean angles. I do all the maintenance including deep dives into the bowels as needed to keep everything in harmony. I would have had my electronic stethoscope hooked up to locate the noise as you can listen while riding. Once you know the location you can have chat with the service techs, or in my case, pull out the shop manual and identify the potential culprit. Personally I would be checking the valve clearances myself. It's a bit more complex on an FJR. On the expectation side, if the noise is noticeable and the techs agree then it should be fixed, the dealer and Honda can decide how to fund it, it should be transparent to you. I am with you, the old fashioned hand shake and stand by your work. A happy customer is money in the bank, yes, there are some you will never please but they are rare, soul destroying but rare.
So enjoy you magnificent machine, turn up the music, smell the roses.
Hope this helps.
thanks for the comment pal
I have a 2021 and changed the oil today. It started ticking. Super annoying.
Had the same problem on my 2018 Wing. After a lot of back and forth with the dealer as you have done, I found my solution. Add an extra 1/2 quart of oil. It quiets the ticking noise a lot.
thanks for the advice
@@humbleplumbersadventures4602 Your welcome
I just changed the oil in my new to me 2018 DCT….I don’t know what oil was in it previously, but I put in Amsoil full synthetic 10W30….when I started the bike I heard the ticking which wasn’t there previously….it seems to go away shortly after starting it….reading online, it seems pretty common but I think i’ll go see the dealer next week and see what they have to say about it….ride safe
I bought a ‘23 at end of October ‘23. Got it home and noticed the same tick. Contacted dealer. Sent them video. The dealer sent video to Honda. They said it was normal that it is documented…to just ride it. I wasn’t satisfied. I had the dealer come pick it up (100 miles away in winter). I paid for transportation but the dealer agreed to check valve clearances and chain tensioners at their cost. Two were slightly out of specs but they corrected it. But…nothing changed. Tick is still there. Now I know it’s documented since I got a work sheet from dealer. Was told that if it fails…there’s proof and it will be repaired.
Rode 1500+ miles since and no issues yet. I will continue to keep an eye/ear out for anything though.
Thanks for the comment pal
glad it work out . your right .
Ya me too. I guess its normal for Goldwings. to make that noise. Ive had alot of people tell me that. its just the idea of it and the way it was handled. thanks for the comment.
You will hear lifter tapping occasionally just from switching from convetional oil to synthetic because of the velocity difference. It will come and go and sure you can pay to have a lifter check/adjustment or return to conventional to hide it.
go in ware?
Did they fix the problem? Did they found out where was that ticking noise came from?
My buddies 2018 has the tic, I & also have a 2018, never has ticked. Funny that some do and some don’t. It should be fixed
it should but atleast its normal and it wont hurt anything, funny how some do it and some don't.
If you could sit on top of your car/truck engine the whole time you’re driving, you’d hear all sorts of strange ticks, clicks, etc. but it never hurts to get it checked out. How did this situation end? Noise fixed?
Hello, I purchased a new 2023 Honda Goldwing Tour DCT in mid July and it currently has around 120 miles recorded. I always keep the bike on the center stand and yes I noticed the ticking sound appearing to be coming from the engine right side. The ticking seems to go away after the engine warms up and the engine sounds appear normal. I noticed the ticking after a cold start and the garage temperature was around 80 degrees F. This was on my second ride from bike purchase. I will continue to monitor and keep the dealer advised. The ticking sound seems to be quite common with Goldwing owners. All the Best, James.
thanks for commenting
I totally agree with you... Corporations definitely don't stand behind their products anymore....My 2018 tour dct started the right side tick at 15k.... Disturbed by it at first, however after reading many comments about it on forums, sadly it's pretty normal. Bike still runs great, I've gotten used to it
Report back if fails to reach 120000 miles without opening the engine.
Wow what happenned.
I have to say starting in '18 a redesign of the engine with 4 valves per cylinder while tweaking the internals and redoing the gearbox maybe doing all this wasnt perfected yet and still in its experimental stage and things are going wrong whereas the prior Gen 5 '17 and under 1800 was already a bulletproof perfected engine. My motto is if it ain't broke don't fix it😮
I can understand the dealers issue. If Honda doesn’t stand tall and address the issue the dealer doesn’t want the liability in case something doesn’t go right. My 2021 DCT does make a slight tick but not enough to cause concern and I never hear it when riding, at 17k miles it sounds just like it did off the showroom floor. Checking valve clearance isn’t a big deal, shouldn’t take more than an hour but if any valve needed adjusting they need to check all 6 cylinders. The valves adjust by shims which takes more time than the screw adjusters did. I’d be surprised if it’s a valve but worth a check if Honda says they’ll take care of it and gives a paper trail in case it gets worse later. Enjoy the ride, it’s a spectacular machine.
Thank pal For the info.
Try using the center stand instead of the kick stand. I had the ticking also. Stopped when I stored it on the center stand.
Ive been doing that lately. it does seem to help.. thanks for the advice.
You're totally right. The dealership or Honda should pick up any costs associated with getting it fixed.
So Honda paid for it. However I wonder what would have happened if Honda would not have paid for it. I wonder if the deader would have took care of it.
@humbleplumbersadventures4602 main thing is Honda paid for it. Stop thinking so much and enjoy the ride!
I totally agree with your thoughts, the service department should not of even questioned the valve check and just gone ahead and made good, it's not good for Honda to act in this manner when they are selling a premium product you expect them to honour there workmanship. I own a 2020 goldwing DCT tour and you do get a slight ticking due to the fuel system but it's certainly not noticeable when you are riding.
Good luck with the outcome and standby your morals.... you owe them nothing.
thanks for the comment
It's always better to have slightly looser (adjusted to the loose side of the spec) than tighter valve clearance due to the thermal expansion factor. Now I'm not saying the valves clearance should be looser than spec, but mine 2024 has a slight ticking sound also, I'm not worried about it at all. Valve gear makes noise, they are under an exposed cylinder head cover of thin aluminum, you're going to hear noise. Ever see a modern car engine? Huge thick plastic cover on top of the valve cover with sound deadening insulation under it; that's to dampen the valve noise folks. If Honda put that on the Goldwing, you wouldn't hear a thing.
Totally agree with you, sir. And that's a bunch of horse crap to even ask you or even involve you in their decision-making while dealing with Honda. The salesman should of said yeah Honda will take care of it or we will no worries. Be safe.
ya I felt the same way
I agree with you that’s not right 😊they should adjust the valves
Thanks for the comment.
Thanks guys for bringing this topic, recently I purchased a 2024 Honda Goldwing tour after 6000K. I hear this ticking noise. My question is to the gentleman who post this video, does the ticking sound gone completely after the service.?
No the ticking noise was still there. I did watch a comment where the service guy tightened the valves to the max the specs would allow and it did seem to help a lot. but now my ticking noise is still there.
My new 2023 has a normal ticking sound on right side of the cylinder
@@humbleplumbersadventures4602 thanks for the feedback
If it helps, my 2021 Tour DCT makes the same noise, and have been told and have read that it's normal. I have 30k miles on mine, no issues. By the way, wish you were in my neck of the woods, i need help from a plumber! Hehe...
Ride safe!
Thanks for sharing. I have found out the same thing. that its normal I have 4000 miles on it now and it still runs great. love the bike its so easy to ride.
Did it stop ticking? I have the same problem, mine has 900 miles, have not been back to the dealership
it did not but I have learned that its normal for the bike to do so. Ive been told that putting it on the center stand when its parked can help. thanks for the comment.
I am going through the same thing now. But I paid the 317.85 for the dealer to check them and was told a few a little loose, but within speck. They also neglected to call honda whi h I have acase with. I took it home and apart and made a video of me checking the valves and sent it to honda a powerspot place. It turns out it is a bad adjustment of the valves from the factory on the right side.if they don't do anything I will put out the video as is. If honda takes care of it I will tone it down for educational.
Buddy I don't blame you. Atleast my dealership got honda to pay for it
I had a 2019 Wing, purchased brand new, never heard any ticking. I traded it for a brand new 2022 Wing. I only have 1400 miles on it. A few months ago ago while I was warming it up in my garage, I heard ticking on the right side. I thought I was crazy. I just had my oil changed though I’m not at the suggested 4,000 miles for 1st OC, I figured after 2 years it was time to change the oil regardless of miles. I haven’t run the bike other than to ride home from the dealer OC, so I don’t know if the ticking remains. But I also know that there should be no ticking from pretty much still new $30,000 Wing with 1400 miles on it. I should add, the bike runs fine, but that ticking isn’t right..
Ive gotten used to it. love the bike though.
sooooo did it get fixed/adjusted? what has come of this?
so I took it into the Mechanic and he adjusted the valves. It didnt help but from what ive read online this is a pretty common noise.
Your in the right
My 2021 Goldwing1800 has only totalled 2,700 miles and immediately after its second service (in fact, the day after collection) I heard an extremely loud valve overlap/piston clatter followed by and immediate constant ticking from the right hand bank at idle and a bad rattle at revs. I called the Agent and surprisingly they asked me to ride iit back in for a check over. Only a 7 mile journey and they decided that a valve adjustment was all that was required. I rode home and returned it only for the rectification to take the Agent one month to complete. On second collection, I rode home (another 7 miles) and the machine was spitting back through the manifold and hunting badly. I returned the bike for another diagnosis and was told to take it home again. Needless to say................. It has exploded. It's now only running on five cyliders and sounds horrendous, won't idle and vibrates to high heavens.
Wow buddy Im sorry to hear that. I wonder what happened. I'm not for law suites. but this might be a situation that might lead to one. most of us have no other choice to trust are mechanics. Plus that's why we pay them. let me know what happens. thanks for the info
So, did the noise go away or get better/change after the valve adjustment?
It didn't make a different, thanks tor the questiom
You are right "SIR" !!! Don't try to understand stupid people you can hurt yourself !!! Buyer beware !!!
ya it was just frustrating. definitely didn't help me think a lot about the service department from where I bought the Bike.
How loud was it? Even new temporarily noisy Honda weed eaters end up going 20 yrs of abusive service.
I don't dought it. I just didn't know what it was.
You’re in the RIGHT!!!!!!
thanks
Manufacturing responsibilities that’s why we have lemon laws…
Ya I guess its normal though. just wish my Mechanic would have known that. thanks for the reply
Absolutely, If the dealer does not push hard enough on your behalf to get it covered than the Service Dept should back charge the Sales Dept invoice on your sale. Then they could send that bill to Honda to prove the work was performed. Not your problem it is their problem. It's not a used bike.
yep i agree it makes me wonder what would have happenned if honda didnt pay for it.
I spent 40-years in the HVAC trade and occasionally manufacturer’s defects will undermine your best efforts. Fix immediately. In the short term warranty repairs may cost the provider time and money but over the long haul a satisfied clientele is your best advertisement.
The dealer should have jumped on this a.s.a.p. and filed a claim with Honda. At the retail level an occasional warranty denial is part of the cost of doing business but in no way should you have been expected to absorb the expense.
I completely agree
aren't these things built in tennessee ? done with newer bikes
Im not sure but I think there built in Japan. Goldwings used to be built it the US but not a few years now
I think you were well within your rights to have it fixed, regardless of any wrangling between the Dealer and Honda
I watched a video today and what i learned is Honda is not great with there warranty that's sad cause I really like Honda bikes.
Honda UK are an embarrassment to themselves. 2021 Goldwing with less than 3,000 miles on the clock decided to eat it valves. Nothing unusual there… Just UA-cam “Goldwing ticking noise”…. It’s quite a well known phenomenon that Honda know about…. but will vehemently deny.
Unable to use the machine to save further damage, total breakdown and a potential injury accident, I have to wait weeks for an appointment for a ‘diagnosis’ (on a defect they already know about!). Once dropping the bike off at the Dealers they claim to have adjusted the valves and simply hand the machine back still running on five cylinders, coughing back through the inlet tract and stalling.
I call Honda UK for help and they say…. “No can do, you’ll have to fix the thing at your own cost as it is now out of Warranty”. S’Funny that….. it was in Warranty when I took the bike in months with the fault reported earlier.
Slippery b*st*rds.
I bet they delete this post…. So I’ve copied and will add to any later Sponsored ad’s that they do.
It certainly will be added to the Cruiseman Garage UA-cam Channel. After years of buying new Honda they have ruined their reputation and are nothing but charlatans and vipers.
My Supplier/Dealers did nothing wrong, they were excellent too. Chucked under the ‘bus by Honda UK. What a crazy situation?
Ride the Harley one day, then get on the Goldwing. You won’t hear a thing.😜. And, earplugs.
thats what I try to do my friend. but the noise doesnt bother me anymore. I just worry about noises but know that I know its normal then it doesnt bother me anymore.
Brand new they should fix it free definitely!
Thanks for the repy
Honda has always been that way. They think their sh@t never needs warranty work. Im pretty sure I'm going to buy the Indian pursuit. Their customer service is outstanding. I am going to wait until 2024 comes out before I buy a new bike.
ya know. I like the Indian persuit a lot to but what I don't like is what they did with the Victory. Polaris is the one that owns Indian and they also owned victory. when they totally dumped victory, they left all the owners of that bike behind. just to take the Indian name. I think Indian is a great bike. maybe the best out there. but that wasn't cool what they did with the Victory Line.
If you have a 2018+ Goldwing and you don’t hear this ticking noise you need to get your hearing checked.
I heard the ticking noise I just didnt know what it was.
@@humbleplumbersadventures4602 That was my way of saying they all do it. I wasn’t questioning your hearing.
20 DCT Tour with 15K.. The new Gen is singing a bit. yes, it has its own beauty sound and very soft ticking. In fact, I think the older gen is quitter. I have used 87-93 Octane, same for me. One thing I was told, once you are back from a ride and will not ride the next day, have her on a center stand. Even lube position/bath due to the nature of this boxer. Change the oil on time(I do every 5K) cause I like higher speeds and I strongly recommend to use Honda 10-30, GN4 oil. I don't use anything else. Honda will not address this issue. Its the nature of the 6 gen wing. We have standard lifters. They are not hydraulic.
Thanks for the info
Standard lifters might have a little bit to do with this versus self adjusting hydraulic but no one's even certain it has anything to even do with the lifters.. Does putting in premium fuel help at all?
@@seatime674 I was actually surprised to hear the 6 gen doesn’t carry hydraulic lifters, when I got mine. I never tried to use premium gas in mine. Always 87 as the book says. Going to try that in the Spring. Also, maybe 10-30 Honda synthetic oil will help a bit.
@@alp3781 Yes only use Motul 4T MA2 5100 Full Synthetic 10w/40. That totally quiets your gears in shifting and might have a positive effect on the Piston & valve train. Remember this new redesigned 1800cc for 2018+ has 4 valves per cylinder now instead of 2 with an obvious new rocker cam so you're probably just hearing an all-new hummm from a different designed motor now and there's probably nothing wrong with it at all. Then again maybe because their standard lifters some left the factory a wee bit out of adjustment and might just need another adjustment..
I'm just curious next time do a couple fills with super premium gas and see if there's any difference ...
@@humbleplumbersadventures4602 I just watched another video on this. Every time you come back from a ride put in on the center stand then try it in the morning.. People say on the Flat 6 when it's on the left stand all the oils on the left side of the engine and on Startup it's displaced too much so try the center stand for a while and see if that's the difference and let us know
use the center stand
ya know mine is different. it doesnt do it when I first start it. it has to warm up a little the it does it
They should have fixed it for you
Honda did
turn the radio up
Lol I do that and your right it solves it.
No further thoughts necessary, no reason for "what if", Honda paid for the valve adjustment, end of story.
thanks for the comment pal. I agree Honda treated me right.
In my opinion if Honda says there is a problem then yes Honda should fix it. If Honda won’t fix the problem then yes the dealership should stand behind the bike cause they sold it to you…
thumbs up
I have had several different kind of motorcycles. All of the m ticked.
really? what kinds. maybe ive just never noticed them.
Completely normal
The noise is normal. My 18 has done this since new. Injector noise
thanks for the feedback
UPDATE. Since my comment posted below Honda have simply chucked me under a 'bus. The engine exploded within 14 miles of having the valves adjusted by the Dealer. Honda have declined to look at the machine and told me that it is no longer in Warranty, In actual fact there is some nime months left outstanding.
Wow that makes them look soo bad. like i said before im not big on using attorneys but maybe this is a situation to look it that.
Have same issue 😢 help
dealership should eat the repairs. court bro.
Honda Paid for it I guess.
the only thing you should have been told is we will call you when its ready !!!!!! shame on honda!
nothing to fix i have 2018 tour nothing to adjust. fuel injectors can be loud i found using premium fuel makes little better. have taken bike on many 2000 plus mile rides sounds same as when bought always made little sound, as far as oil worries try leaving on center stand to keep oil even if sitting long time. also do not listen to anyone who does not own one save for entertainment only.
Ya thats what I have found out too, I just wish my mechanic could have told me that in the first place.
Honda and their dealers.........ain't what they used to be !!
Definitely you never should have to pay for something like that, you bought a brand new bike with no miles on it, from a certified dealer, it's their responsibility under warranty.
I completely agree. Honda did end up paying for it. but I dont know why i was even told or asked to pay for it if Honda didn't thanks for the comment
You should not have had any problems!
The new engine 2018+ has the common shim and bucket system on the intake cams. The exhaust valves and cams use a trailing arm rocker setup. They are going to make more noise. And some a have a slightly loose valve lash setting from the factory. While the setting may well be within spec that one or two valves will stand out like a sore thumb. At 12k miles I adjusted mine myself. One exhaust valve set on each side of the engine. Was a two beer job, done and over with. Honda is not the company they use to be. I worked in trade/craft and I don't have the time or stomach to put up with Bull Shit spewing large mega companies that should be made to fall on there sword. Buy the bike from Honda and there sorry dealer and never darken there door again. Mine also has a clutch switch issue. No fix from Honda but to replace the clutch switches. So if it acts up I just pop out the old clutch switches, pop the new ones in and forget about it. Mine also had a finale drive leak. Yes Honda would have covered the leak and fixed it. Heck I even have there stupid extended warranty. I would have had to wait on the idiots at Honda to approve the repair,,, then wait on the dealer to get the bike into there shop and then wait on them to fix it. Got to looking at the parts. O-Rings and seal $40 in parts including shipping. I fixed it myself. That was a four beer job. Just the way things are now days. Even the so called best made is junk now days......
Thanks for the reply
I want to try to lighten the mood for just one moment. In this video, you look like you could snap and run that motorcycle into a tree. I don’t know any other way to say it. The noise is normal. It sounds as if the valves may need to be adjusted my bike ticks and has been ticking, for I don’t know how long. But what I do know is I remember the morning I started my bike up and I heard that very first tick. The bike was under warranty. I started hooping and hollering. I called everybody and I really learned some not so great things about the company, Honda and their position on fixing things. But what is a great great source of help is Goldwing docs and forums just like that. The amount of help that you will get from just asking a simple question is retarded you’re not going to be able to read all of the help that you’re going to get it nobody is going to waste your time. Or waste their time. On my journeys, I’ve run into other Goldwing owners, and we share stories about the tick. And the highlight of the story is how angry we were when we first heard it. And so I laughed now because there is nothing wrong with the bike, and even though I haven’t heard your bikes tick, if someone said to you that it sounds like the shims,, then I’m pretty confident saying there’s nothing wrong with your bike. What it is I want to say is you can sleep easy there’s nothing wrong with your bike. So to run a small test if you have a car. Start the engine and then lift up the hood and listen for all the sounds that it makes I almost guarantee you you will be able to hone in on a light ticking sound. I really must say I’m not sure that Honda realizes that this is a big problem for a Goldwing owner and that they should fix it or build an engine where we don’t hear that ticking sound. I wish that they could engineer that. In closing just know you will not be happy about what you hear from the dealership and even if they do the shims, the noise will come back at some point. Could get expensive. As you ride the bike more, you will become more confident in your machine. At this point you’re going to baby it because you don’t want it to get worse. So before you take my advice, go to the Goldwing forum. Or Goldwing docks submit your question and read the testimonials and then maybe do an update to this video after you formulate an opinion based on what you’ve read and the feedback you may have gotten. Hope to see you out there.
Thanks for the feed back. I was pretty upset about it. I know you are right its a normal noise. I think the thing that frustrated me the most is the shop I bought it from said if Honda didn't take care of the bill to fix it then I would have. to. they could have done the research for me and explained the problem to me. thanks again for the comment.
Late to the game here. But this should not even be a question on who should pay for it. Honda should. You brought your new bike in for an abnormal noise to you and the tech should have at least checked .
thanks for the comment pal. Honda did check the valves. I guess the noise is normal I wish my mechanic would have just said that right off the bat. its just the idea of why even ask me if i would be willing to pay for it.
They should fix it, falls under engine and drive train...
they did. its just the idea of even telling me I might have too
You paid for a new bike with warranty. Someone should pay for it and that's not you.
I totally agree. Honda Paid for it.
lol...this must be the woke feeling channel. omg...gravity drains the lifters when parked on the kick stand. use the center stand. no more god damn feelings, okay. balls on...crying, off
I was just telling people about the noise. Next time dont watch my video.
My 2022 did it but has since went away. I figure its under warranty so if it explodes they'll have to fix it. Its a honda just drive it. And no I dont think you should have to pay for it. Your over thinking this whole thing.
Your probably right. I am overthinking it. but I just worry about it causing problems in the future. I've been told its normal though so it doesnt bother me like it did.
This dude has No concept of time
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