How to fix rattling air filter box in 1.6HDi engines (Peugeot/Citroen/Volvo/Mini)
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2019
- Is your air filter box rattling and producing noise. Here is how you can fix the most common faults! Check the description as well. Car is 1.6HDi Peugeot Partner 2007 (M59; ~96,000 miles), the same as a 2007 1.6HDi Citroen Berlingo.
If you cannot understand my accent, subtitles are included.
I will show in the video several of the most common failures of these air filter boxes. They really start to rattle once the pins are broken or the rubber grommets have perished.
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The grommets that I used are these (amazon UK): amzn.to/3qOVE2s or ebay: ebay.us/lT7jM1
The rubber grommets that fit in the small holes for the airbox pins as far as I can measure are outside diameter 20mm, inside diameter 12mm and the internal groove 1.6mm. Not too sure, but I think this contains the same grommets that I used (amazon UK): amzn.to/2ppxZZ5 or abey: ebay.us/vBoZ9k
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Thankyou so much. This video has be invaluable in helping me source the parts and in working out how to fix my car. Everything is incredibly clear and easy to follow. Thanks again. Ken
Thank you !!
I've been able to change all the rubber dampeners on a 307 1.6 hdi thanks to you . I was not able to remove the airbox but i could reach the holes in the bottom and eventually put the dampeners, but it was REALLY difficult (struggled really badly). The rattling is over now
Great work zemba
Wow, such a great video! Thanks so much for sharing. Really useful!
Great video. Exact same engine in my 2008 Mini Clubman which has the 1.6 Peugeot diesel. Worked well for me 👍
Very helpful man i have a 308 peugeot and it drove me crazy for now i modified a little bit but i will by those you had
Great video! Super helpful, thank you!!
Thank you so much, this really helped me.
Am I glad I found this channel …. Really well done and has taught me a lot. Thanks
Thank you, much appreciated!
Especially the videos on the air box and heat shield … has stopped my 07 Berlingo van sounding so embarrassing 😂👍
@@davepangolin4996 Hahaha, same with me. Other people judge you on the car that you drive, having one that sounds rough only reinforces their confirmation bias. I was once told by a bank manager that I am not into cars or in other words I have no interest into cars because I drive an older Peugeot Partner. I did not reply anything actually, hahaha
Yes that’s right … a noisy old motor also leads to anxiety aa you spend most of the drive looking at the temperature gauge and hearing every noise …
Great channel keep up the good work 👍
@@davepangolin4996 Haha, could not have put it better myself. My wife thinks I am "hearing" stuff.
Thank you very much from Chile
Got a mini cooper D (basically same engine) with annoying buzzing rattling coming from the airbox. Going to inspect this now, thank you
Yeah, it is pretty common for rattle from that area.
Excellent vidéo .merci .. beaucoup compassion . merci pour votre temps et dévotion
pas de problème
Great help thanks
thank you from turkey
Very good video
Thanks for this video, very helpful.
I noticed that you have sandows on your thermic plate. Did you put them to fix the noise of the vibrating thermic plate ? What kind of sandow is that and how did you attach them ?
Thank you for the comment. What do you mean by sandow, not too sure if I understand the word. I suspoect you mean the two metal planks that go over the alluminium turbo/exhaust heat shield. If it is that, yes, I did it myself. The top heat shield is really fragile, espoecially the mounting points and breaks quite often. First time it was broken I replaced it with a geniuine heat shield, but then it broke again. It is quite costly and I could not be bothered to buy these every couple of years. I used just metal plank and shaped it into place and drilled two holes for the bolts to go in. It basically goes from one bolt to the other on the engine, it really stops the heat shield to vibrate. If my explanation is not quite sufficient I can do a short video to show exactly where it mounts and how it looks like. Let me know if that would help.
thanks for this.
Thank you for the good content
I have read in some British forum that some guys managed to use 1.6 tdci air filter box (same engine) which allows to have the air filter in the empty area close to battery with much better accessibility
Will try it on my peugeot
That is a good idea and suggestion. Do you by any chance have a link to the forum? I think the airbox on the TDCi is better design than the 1.6HDi, but I suspect it might be a bit difficult to put it on there, depends on the space. It is better as the airbox gets heated at thr back of the engine, where in the TDCi will be slightly colder.
Did you manage to do this and did it work? I would imagine you need a MAF cable extension due to the location of the factory one
@@SpeedyK1wi I have not tried it, but could eventually have a look at doing it. The maf will need the extension and the additional crankcase breather from Ford. I have an oil catch can in that place, but if you do not have one you could replace it. It should work.
@@moremolecules if you do, could you please do a video on it, I have a 207 HDI and the airbox is not only a bad design but is in a bad location, I don't know which generation or car the tdci airbox he's referring to
@@SpeedyK1wi I will see what I can do :-)
Thanks you very muchhhh !!!
good afternoon i hope you are doing well, the airbox lower mounts you refer to are called "silent block mounts "and can be obtained separately for around £7 a pair ,hope this helps other and yourself looking for these mounts instead of having to buy the whole bracket complete which isnt cheap. (part no 1436.s4).
Good find Tony, many thanks.
Hello, I don't know your name, but l also have a Peugeot 207sw in very good condition and at 88, 00 miles that is not to bad , the engine it in excellent condition. I do like you videos, very clear explanations and it's nice to see you do the work. Perhaps one day you could Bleed the Brakes and the Clutch, as they use the same master cylinder. If there's any tips you might have. I bought a Litres of the Special Break Fluid from a Moto Factors that I could TRUST. Thanks for all the Tips. Best wishes Geoff Lewis, Wales UK. 🏴🏴🏴
Hi Geoff, Many thanks indeed for all the good words, much appreciated. I will probably have to do the brake/clutch bleed eventually. So, might film it. All the best as well.
Thank you for all your helpfull videos. After our C4 grand Picasso started making strange noises from the same engine I decided to learn about the engine and try fixing things myself first before heading to dealer. So I got myself torque wrenches so now can torque from 2.26 and 220 nm and a ocd2 device, the noise was injector getting loose, torqued all down and of two other were also too loose yet not leaking, so that felt great to do. Next I changed to air filter, and cleaned inside pollen filters. Oil and filter are ordered and planned Saturday. My engine is harder to work on the air box for its way more covered up by other car parts. But your videos are excellent in showing the parts so once more thanks. One question, what did you use to clean your engine parts, it looks very nice being this clean and I want to do that too. I did regular plastic bits with regular cleaner then turtle wax interior plastic spray (spray on evenly distribute, leave two minutes then buff with microfiber towel and it looks like new, nice. But for engine and rubber parts I don't want to mess up things if chemicals starting interacting, you clearly found a way to make it look new so hope you can give some pointers.
Hi Wim, great job with all the bits and pieces that you have managed to do! If you are doing a general service, I would replace the fuel filter as well, it is not too difficult, but you need to prime the fuel with the rubber pump several times. I have been asked a few times about the engine and how I clean it. I have never really cleaned it at all, although I would like to do it. I suppose from taking variety of bits and pieces and from touching it with hands/gloves it gets cleaned.
Thanks! Great so I can look forward to a nice clean engine bay too :). And yes diesel filter change is for sure something in the planning, first get a bit used by the oil change. Then my wife who drives ( my eyes are not good enough for a license) told me there seems power missing at rpms the turbo ought to kick in. Not a lot and it was in response to me saying there is a valve controlling the turbo that can become dirty. If I remember correctly that part is pretty close to the diesel filter so checking that would be a good moment to change it. But it feels pretty nice doing things myself instead of going to dealer. Besides being cheaper it's great to start to understand what all those pipes and parts do.
@@Quibus777 I am not too sure what part you meant controlling the turbo close to the fuel filer. Only the EGR valve is close to the fuel filter, but it does not quite control the turbo. The actuator valve controls the turbo and it is really just next to the turbo. You can clean the EGR valve, it could be stuck on fully open and that would reduce power on fully open throttle.
Yes i think i read and talked about the actuator valve. Oh boy the EGR valve is behind the engine, next to airbox, sigh i could not remove the wiper arms (but again im new with this so might just not have dared to use enough force) so the parts bahind the hood and before the windscreen could not be removed, meaning no good access to that part of the engine, was hard to work there doing the air filter replacement. But will look into it for it seems needed to clean, then thanks.
Oh its so nice you answer all questions, sorry i got more, the injector is now dirty around the outside and i saw its possible the clean even the inside and replace the injector seats, seems smart to do, though i am terridied to try it, would i be able to do with these tools?
www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B074QH44C5/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A2YQEANUW1YT14&psc=1
for the cleaning inside
And then can get this box:
www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B071RN4RKT/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=ALUC31BFEVU1Z&psc=1
or do i need this instead: www.amazon.fr/Kit-joints-dinjecteur-HDI/dp/B07RB5N2KZ/ref=sr_1_3?__mk_fr_FR=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=2CM6Z70PPKWWE&keywords=joints+d%27injecteur+1.6+hdi&qid=1569917797&s=automotive&sprefix=joints+%2Cautomotive%2C248&sr=1-3
(normally would prefer getting a box of bits to have stuff for the future)
@@Quibus777 Yes, on some models it is difficult to get access to the back of the engine, but it is doable. It is also necessary for the EGR valve access. I would clean the EGR valve if the car has >60,000 miles or ~100k km. Now I clean it every 1-2 years. The injector thing, I have not researched exactly which seals you would need, but this job might be fairly easy or really difficult. Sometimes the injectors get stuck inside and you would need proper tools to get them out, like hydraulic power. If I were you and the injector is not leaking I would postpone doing this.
On the 1.6 HDI model DS3 2012 this problem can also lead to shorting out your injectors by rubbing on the insulation.
As I happened to find out lol.
Hi,
I have the "Rattle"! and will be replacing the bottom grommets.
Can you please confirm the approximate size "The rubber grommets that fit in the small holes for the airbox pins as far as I can measure are outside diameter 20mm, inside diameter 12mm and the internal groove 16mm".
Should the grove be 1.6mm!?
Thanks
Hi Peter, yes it should be 1.6mm, rather than 16mm. I have omitted the point in there
Hi, do you have any suggestions for insulation to prevent air leaks from the edges? also about the plastic cracks on the screw holes of filter housing ?
Hi Eralp, Yes I thought about this, but do not have a good solution. I mean the air escaping or coming from the edges. The only thing is to keep it tight and I have tried that with the tape.
Good question about the cracks, but it is very difficult to fix this particular plastic. Maybe heat to seal the cracks, if not glue that it is specific to plastic, but I do not think it will hold for very long. Only solution seems to be heat, say heat gun, but not entirely melt the plastic.
@@moremolecules thank you for your answer :) I will try to do some fixes on the weekend, perhaps I can make a custom gasket. If I can't fix it, then it might be a good reason to replace with a high performance air filter, and re-design the intake pipe :)
@@EralpKuru Yes, it is possible to do a custom gasket. I never thought these performance filters do anything, but they might be alright.
Can you tell me what îs that small tube that goes near the diesel filter? The one that was caught on the air pipe
Not too sure which one it is, but it is most likely a vacuum line.
is this the same on the ford fiesta 1,6 tdci engine? Great video by the way
I thin the ford fiesta 1.6tdci are slightly different design of the air box. It is position at the front rather than at the back, otherwise same engine.
Hey, is it an issue on all these airboxes to leak and is there a good way to fix it that you know of other than duct tape or zipties 😆 I might need to replace mine anyhow for other reasons but have a fear that it might do the same thing
Yeah, it is a common issue and they do leak. It is rather difficult to seal completely or at least I have not seen a way to seal them. Maybe a silicone will work, but if small bits are released they will go straight in the air intake.
Hello, did the box only make noise when you start the car.
Hi Usmanali, the airbox was making noise nearly constantly. Nevertheless, the rpm of the engine under idle and cold will have slightly higher rpm than when it is wanrmed up. So, yes it may be noisier when cold
Quick questions ! Where is the glow plug relay unit ?
What is that box (120mm * 70mm approx) behind and attached to the black metal plate where the air intake hoses start (front passenger side just to left of headlight
Many thanks
The glow plug relay box is behind the left-hand headlight. Exactly behind where I think you suggest. Extremely difficult to get to and there is one bolt holding it.
@@moremolecules Thanks
👏 great !!!
May i know if this Rubber Grommet is thesame size as the 2010 citroen grand c4 picasso?
Not too sure, but they probably are
@@moremolecules thank you for rplying my question. Can you make tutorial as well on how to clean throttle on that car ☺️.
@@marchiegalorio5751 Do you mean the throttle body, also known as the EGR throttle body? Might do something one day...
@@moremolecules thank you mate, yah the throttle body, there are some videos that they just using throttle spray to clean the throttle body, hope that you can make one on how to clean properly the throttle body. Many thanks cheers mate.
The top 2 studs are missing on my Berlingo and one of the bottom bracket sides is snapped. Can I bond (is it safe) a flat bracket with hole to the two top hole positions ? I can fix a bolt or strap somehow..
Thanks
Yes, you can bond anything that could work, but for the two studes I would simply drill a hole and put a bolt there, much sturdier. I think there was a new design for the bottom bracket made of metal. Search ebay and it will appear, but it is a bit difficult to get off.
@@moremolecules thanks for reply ... ive been searching and you easily buy metal m6 m8 ball studs as a bolt so that will make a perfect fix ... ive looked for a bottom bracket £30 ... ill do the top first
Thanks
@@davepangolin4996 Yes, cannot quite remember whether it was m6 or m8, but with the nuts on top, it makes perfect fit for the grommets. Have had the one bolt for ~4-5 years now and it is still there.
Hii bro can i know what is the name of pipe which was you said twist and pull pipe at exactly 1st pipe at starting of video at 1:00 minute exactly can say me that name of pipe broo please
I do not think it has any specific name, it is an air intake pipe or hose. It probably has a part number, but it is probably sold as a whole air intake, I do not think you can only buy that one, probably second hand it is possible.
Lower mounting of air Filter box was changed by PSA from plastic to metal. It should be cost about 15 euros. So air filter box should be more stable after change
Hi Lukasz, yes, that's right and thanks for the comment. I might eventually replace that.
On peugeot 307 that i recently bought - bottom part of airbox got a hole from rubbing against egr valve ;) egr valve got hole as well ;)
Unfortunatelly its happend because airbox holds in place only on air pipes and one last bottom pin of airbox. All other pins are broken/missing same as left bottom plastic bracket
Yeah, this happens well too often if the airbox is left with a few broken pins. The rest brake from the shaking. Really sorry to hear that. If you get a new airbox, you can purchase the improved (metal) bracket that holds the whole airbox, much better design. Of course more often than not and I think it is a design fault, the airbox rubs on the EGR valve and digs a hole inside. No gasses go through the upper part, but electronic components can potentially be damaged.
I had a full service on my peugeot 3008 2012 and now when i accelerate over 15mph i can hear a hissing/ wooshing sound, only when accelerating. I took it back to the garage and they said it was because it had a new air filter in. I don't believe that could suddenly cause this annoying sound. Any ideas
I also do not believe that the hissing/wooshing sound can come from the new filter. I have changed air filters in their tens and have never heard a difference. Most likely they have not tightenen a pipe somewhere and you can hear the turbo spinning.
@@moremolecules is it dangerous to my car. Im not sure my car has turbo. Is there any way to test for a loose pipe? Thank you
@@helensmith1259 I would not say it is dangerous, if there is a loose pipe, there will be for example a loss of power and an increased consumption. It is better to follow all the pipes and see if you can spot the problem. Not that easy to test for loose pipes, if you have someone to rev it and you can listen to where it is coming from.
Strangly enough it only makes thay sound while the car is moving. There is no spund at all when i rev it stationary
@@helensmith1259 Well, yes, I should have said that the turbo does not quite kick in when you rev it. It needs to be under load. Yeah, it is a bit difficult to have someone to do it under load. You could get any of these OBDII scanners and see the parameters there, turbo boost, air flow, etc. That might tell you if anything is out of the ordinary.
From the minute 14:14, what are the seals called?
They are called rubber grommet eyelet rings, I think I used one of these: amzn.to/2ppxZZ5
The diameter of the actual ones are in the description of the video
@@moremolecules thanks you!
What the plastic x looking bit on the bottom? Nice vid
Not too sure which plastic x looking bit is that. Can you post a at min/sec of the video and I can probably answer. Sorry.
First time I see it is 9.40
@@tonybunting Ahh, yes, that is rubber and it is the rubber bung opening to let water out in case the air filter gets water inside.
Lovely thanks
I've heard many Peugeot, Citroens, Fords etc with the 1.6 HDI that sound like they have no air filters on them.
Haha, absolutely agree with that!
@@moremolecules I wonder if that's due a rattling airbox
@@jaggass Most probably yes. Mine was producing a horrendous noise.
It seemed to affect lots of models between 2007-2011
@@jaggass Poor design and designed obsolescence all contribute very much to this.
You could take all that out and use a cone air filter
Yes, I should probably do that
Problem is the maf sensor cable is very short, probably needs some soldering job to extend it
You can use proper size rubber fuel cable/hose it can fit tight and it will hold with no problem.
That sounds as a good idea, but where are you talking about to put this?
@@moremolecules
You basically use them same as those original rubber bands/bushings (whatever you call them) it doesn't have to be perfect fit like original, just tight enough.
Al though on bottom part of the air filter housing you should put them directly on to those plastic ponits/knobs, because it will be easier to push them trough those plastic rings at the back of the engine, without pushing them out of those rings because hoses don't have those wider parts/rings for prefect fit so not to slide.
Also when you find proper outer and inner diameter hose, those mushroom wider parts on plastic knobs will widen the rubber hose, you can use biax/diegrinder to grinde that part a little, so it passes through easier.
Sometimes if I don't have proper diameter hose on the inside, I use smaller hose inside bigger one.
I hope this helps.
@@bkingtz1 I see, yes it should work. Next time this things starts vibrating again, I could probably do that with the hose. Thanks for the advice.
@@moremolecules
You're welcome on unprofessional solutions from professional mechanic 😄.
Best regards from Bosnia,
@@bkingtz1 Hahaha, well, a complete amateur here trying to keep my car in the best shape possible.
I recently bought a Citroen C5 with 1.6HDI, and done my first engine service (oil & filter, fuel filter, air filter, cabin filter) and I can't believe what a pile of junk it is! Everything is plastic and clipped together or push fit. It's cheap and nasty...
They are all the same! Show me an engine where they are not plastic push fit. To be honest, unless you buy something that is really expensive, even then they use plastic everywhere.
@@moremolecules I can't imagine it's possible for anything to be worse! I'm probably not typical car owner, I've mainly had old 4x4's where stuff is built a bit more durable, but sadly got a new job further from home so needed to buy something that can cover more mileage with less fuel. Currently also own a 2002 Nissan Patrol which although does have some plastics, it's not paper thin and push fit. I know it's not apples and apples!
@@GdaySport Do not take it wrong, I completely agree that current crop of cars are not really built to last. Although that engine is on par with everything else. Same plasticky stuff everywhere. 2002 Nissan Patrol is pretty decent. My humble opinion is that most current cars, the cheaper the worse the built quality is. Most of them are built to last 3-5 years and that is that.
@@moremolecules Well on that basis, I'm pretty happy my C5 has been around since 2009 :-)
@@GdaySport Absolutely, mine is from 2007 and still going strong, although I try to put some effort in maintaining it. I think you will be dissapointed in the next crop of cars when you change the C5.
Ummm..ummmm...uhhhh...would b better to talk clear and less ummm ahhh uhhh !!!
It is much easier to change for example Ford Focus intake system with Free Flow Filter. It is short system between turbo and plastic wall on right side.
I completely agree, the Ford system of air intake is designed better than the PSA. Also, the slow is more straight and the crankcase breather hose is much better design thatn the PSA.