I've noticed lately that Italian bike are using BSA threaded bottom brackets. Any idea for the reason behind the switch? I can remember back in the 90s racing on an old Italian frame that the cup on the drive she (I think - it was a while ago!) used to come out during use. Not great!
Having recently bought a basso diamate and yes it's a more expensive frame I have to say I am nothing but disappointed with it and already looking to sell it as it's a slow frame for racing not a good head angle and just really expsive for what it is. Also pretty heavy
Love/hate on the frame design. Hmmm? I wouldn’t say that I hate the look of the frame but I most certainly do not like it. That down tube wrapping around the rear wheel just does not do it for me. As for the Repente (Quasar 2.0?) saddle, I have the Repente Quasar with alloy rails. (It looks like yours has carbon rails.) My saddle came with my Alpe d’Huez 21 build from Time USA back in 2022. I had no idea about this saddle brand before I purchased the bicycle but I would very much recommend this saddle. And the bike as well!
You shouldn’t compare it to an all road bike. This 3T is stiff because of that huge down-tube and tall chain stays. On the ADHX they have been kept relatively small. Take a look at the 3T race max for a closer comparison
@ umm. I just had a look. Not an easy site to navigate. They have tested both the prepreg Taiwan version and the Italian RTM version. Very different results. Pretty much aligns with my thoughts here.
It is interesting bike, but. Doesn't come close to the TIME quality and BCS technology. This wavy tubes are also used by at two other bike frame manufactures: Australian Bastion, and Czech Festka.
In the Tour Magazin lab test and road review from Jan 2025 the 3T Italia scored really not good at all. Solid aero performance but rock hard in regards to comfort, stiffness like a wet noodle in the bottom bracket and a nervous/ twitchy handling. Especially the stiffness and comfort values are really not good at all for a new performance frame regardless of the price :/
I just replied to your other post. Go check. They have tested both the Taiwan prepreg and the Italian RTM. The results actually align pretty well with my thoughts here.
Doesn't matter what way the apply the carbon process, it's still carbon and glue. The material is only good for 5 to 10 years if you're lucky and the bike doesn't get subjected to impacts. I'll never own another carbon bike.
Almost bought one (Epic Cycle Center, rip-off dealer), so I sent it back because the bike still has no resale value, no one knows 3T. Bought a SL-8, was I glad I did!
@petersouthernboy6327 Me too. It was an ugly powder pink and purple color. Separated by charcoal lines that looked like women's varicose veins. Thats why it didn't sell. I painted it.
@@happydays8171 there are several Specialized dealers within a 250 mile radius of my home, and they’ve sold every SL-8 they get in. I chuckle at the comments section in YT videos complaining about price regarding the SL-8. It’s a unicorn here in the States.
Aaaaand it's still - although slightly - out of spec, just like the models of old. In manufacturing, consistensy is the key!
I've noticed lately that Italian bike are using BSA threaded bottom brackets. Any idea for the reason behind the switch? I can remember back in the 90s racing on an old Italian frame that the cup on the drive she (I think - it was a while ago!) used to come out during use. Not great!
Yeah. Because they are made in Taiwanese factories, and every reviewer gives negative points for Italian threads.
Well now they don't come out, right? I think it's a good enough of a reason
Having recently bought a basso diamate and yes it's a more expensive frame I have to say I am nothing but disappointed with it and already looking to sell it as it's a slow frame for racing not a good head angle and just really expsive for what it is. Also pretty heavy
I have the 3T Torno carbon crankset on one of my bikes. Beautifully made, but kind of finicky. I had to tighten it from time to time.
Is this the 3T or TTT brand that were known for good quality stems? Back in the day
3ttt became 3T in the early 2000s
Thankyou
Love/hate on the frame design. Hmmm? I wouldn’t say that I hate the look of the frame but I most certainly do not like it. That down tube wrapping around the rear wheel just does not do it for me. As for the Repente (Quasar 2.0?) saddle, I have the Repente Quasar with alloy rails. (It looks like yours has carbon rails.) My saddle came with my Alpe d’Huez 21 build from Time USA back in 2022. I had no idea about this saddle brand before I purchased the bicycle but I would very much recommend this saddle. And the bike as well!
That red bb tool, 5 euros on Al EXP, with and adapter for 5 sizes....
Would you say it's stiffer at the bottom bracket than the ADHX? Very much enjoy these build quality videos. Thanks!
You shouldn’t compare it to an all road bike. This 3T is stiff because of that huge down-tube and tall chain stays. On the ADHX they have been kept relatively small. Take a look at the 3T race max for a closer comparison
@@Mapdec Excellent points!
The 3T scored really bad in the Tour Magazin lab test. Very low stiffness for a performance frame but rock hard in regards to compliance:/
@ umm. I just had a look. Not an easy site to navigate. They have tested both the prepreg Taiwan version and the Italian RTM version. Very different results. Pretty much aligns with my thoughts here.
The "French" brand has been mentioned but... Is there any news about the new long awaited Scylon?
It is interesting bike, but. Doesn't come close to the TIME quality and BCS technology. This wavy tubes are also used by at two other bike frame manufactures: Australian Bastion, and Czech Festka.
In the Tour Magazin lab test
and road review from Jan 2025 the 3T Italia scored really not good at all. Solid aero performance but rock hard in regards to comfort, stiffness like a wet noodle in the bottom bracket and a nervous/ twitchy handling. Especially the stiffness and comfort values are really not good at all for a new performance frame regardless of the price :/
I just replied to your other post. Go check. They have tested both the Taiwan prepreg and the Italian RTM. The results actually align pretty well with my thoughts here.
@Mapdec to be fair, everything Gerard Vroomen I am immediately not very hopeful no matter where it is made 🙈
I find it hard to believe a frame made in Italy is worth the insane price. My latest Chinese frame is in better spec than this.
great video paul.
Thanks 👍
That thing is so ugly. It's just hideous
That's your opinion. But what about the bike? 😋
Doesn't matter what way the apply the carbon process, it's still carbon and glue. The material is only good for 5 to 10 years if you're lucky and the bike doesn't get subjected to impacts. I'll never own another carbon bike.
Almost bought one (Epic Cycle Center, rip-off dealer), so I sent it back because the bike still has no resale value, no one knows 3T. Bought a SL-8, was I glad I did!
I’m surprised you could get your hands on an SL-8. Here in the US they are in very high demand.
@petersouthernboy6327
Me too. It was an ugly powder pink and purple color. Separated by charcoal lines that looked like women's varicose veins. Thats why it didn't sell. I painted it.
@@happydays8171 there are several Specialized dealers within a 250 mile radius of my home, and they’ve sold every SL-8 they get in. I chuckle at the comments section in YT videos complaining about price regarding the SL-8. It’s a unicorn here in the States.