How in hell are they going to pay for the development costs, anywhere between 20 to 25 Billion USD? They are not even cspable built the planes they have in their order books?
There may be a desire for a true 757 replacement, but insufficient demand for one. On the vast majority of routes where a 757 is, or was used, the A321 and its variants are more than capable of replacing it. Not only can they replace it, but they can do it far more economically, with a wider cabin and the option of a containerised hold. I suspect that when, or even if Boeing produces anything to replace the 757, it will not be a true replacement, but something far closer to the A321. The demand for an aircraft to fill the gap for an aircraft capable of 'hot and high' operation where the 757 excels, and short runway performance on the few remaining runways that haven't been extended since the 757 was launched is probably in the low hundreds at best, rather than the thousands for the A321, or anything similar to it.
@@neilpickup237 this is correct. Plus, since the 757 has been out of production for years, they’d still need to start the program from scratch essentially. New supply chains and everything. To sell a new aircraft of that capacity, it needs to have a longer range like 6500 nmi. They can’t really do that with the limited engine options for the 757 and its older aerodynamics design
Long haul in the flying pencil was absolutely the worst experience ever. Pilots might have liked it, passengers crammed in the back liked it a lot less.
@@GoalHornGeek Agreed. However, even if the production line had been mothballed and supply chains could be in place immediately, the additional weight of the 757 would make it difficult for it to compete with the very much lighter Airbus.
Regarding the height of the landing gear, why can’t they develop an adjustable landing gear that accommodates the larger engines but after landing lowers itself to the standard height? The engines may be just above the ground but what does that matter when the plane is parked?
CLICK BAIT ! Boeing annonced that it won't be making anything anytime soon. They already have too much on their plate. Watch Simple flying, they're serious.
killer computer that pushes the plane down , composite fuselage that melt like ice , but still nothing for passengers survival . why don't we just keep on building the same planes we've been flying for decades now ?
Once again: There is NO active "797" program at Boeing! Boeing has not yet published the FY2024 financial results. When they do, it will be a rude and painful awakening for all those fan communities who still dream about all those fancy futuristic development projects they hope to be carried out.
The reason everyone says Boeing designed a "bad" 737 landing gear is because it was designed for a Pratt JT8D engine used on 737-200, 727 and Dc-9's of the time. No one in 1970 anticipated the 737 lasting as long as it has. 737 NG & Max would probably have never been contemplated back then.
A couple years ago, I was flying home from my native country of Sweden on board and airbus A330 with Scandinavian Airlines. I went in to use the lavatory and I took a look around and I saw ashtrays. That plane was built when people could still smoke on board and it was still flying! Great aircraft! Boeing needs to catch up seriously.
Many forget that there are no engines currently capable of gaining a sufficient capacity advantage over the A321, so new engines would be required. Had there been suitable engines, Airbus would almost certainly have stretched the A321 to the maximum the market can support. It is true that a lighter composite wing could allow perhaps another four (or five?) rows of seats in a stretch beyond the A321 with the current engines, but that would still fall short of what is expected from a Boeing single aisle replacement. It is inconceivable that those new engines would not also be available to Airbus. While Boeing may have the technical advantage over Airbus with composite fuselages, the arguably not quite as good Airbus design is much cheaper to produce - a significant factor in the A350 reaching profitability after a few hundred airframes, and the 787 failing to do so after over 1000. It should also be apreciated that as fuselage diameter reduces, the weight advantage of a composite fuselage decreases sharply. Therefore, once again, the vast proportion of any benefits will rely on the engines to deliver them.
Too large & heavy. Boeing messed up developing the 757 & 767 for the same medium route market ... when the 757 has the same size fuselage as the 737 but tall tall landing gear for the larger engines. The 757 should have been designed to replace the 737 for its routes ... and the 767 (medium widebody) form medium routs and finally the 777 to replace the 747. All with the same fly by wire glass cockpit. But Boeing didn't. Plus after A320 entered service in late 80's, Boeing refused to replace the 737 as the A320 was clearly the superior aircraft , nor lighten & improve the 757 in anticipation of competition with the A320, nor did they add stick flybyware glass cockpit to the 777 .... to be used on new designs like the 787 or ... 797. Boeing just kept on messing up year after year. ... going all the way back with the 727 which has the same size fuselage as the 707, 737 & 757.
Phil Condit must bear some the downfall at Boeing. However, I agree with him that the failure of the new 797 program or the continued stretching of the 737 cannot be an option. Perhaps Boeing management should stop the war with its labor and bring back the "incredibles!" Former Boeing Training Captain
CLICKBAIT WARNING - Before watching just google 797 and you will see there is absolutely nothing going on with the 797 program. Consider this my sacrifice to you the viewer!
Describing Embraer as "trailing" is a bit misleading. Embraer is a highly regarded and well respected manufacturer with an excellent track record, but it's a smaller company and doesn't compete in all sectors. The one "trailing" in most respects is Boeing. Very sad for what once was a great company.
Not to avoid the "mistake of the 737" regarding its low landing gear? Back in 1970, that was one of the 737 requirements, to be able to operate in airports that had no "infrastrucure" for passenger boarding.
Even if Boeing have developed plans for the 797, there is no possibility of seeing the finished aircraft ready to provide to their cutomers for a minium of ten years, more likely 15 years +. In much less time Airbus will have new aircraft built and selling around the world.
They started the video making it seem like the plane was about ready to be launched, but after watching the video, it seems to be more like a concept. They had better get their act together, especially after their miss with the rocket setback.
NOT THE 797 FANTASY AGAIN. Look. Boeing will NEVER make an all new aircraft again. The best it will do is try and upgrade. And fail. The B787 for the next 25 years. BOEING is finished.
Stop showing all the other Boeing aircraft. Get straight to the 797. I do not like these UA-cams that don’t go straight to the title. I’m not even gonna watch it till the end now.
Too late! Airbus already has the A321xlr in service with more than 550 orders. The aircraft usually takes up to a decade to enter service or possibly longer judging on the 777x.
Well my dear colleague, I think that we’ll both climb the ladder by flying at first the military jets, the trustworthy DC’s, Embraer’s, Fokkers, Boeings and so on. Although for me the journey went a bit faster due to a serious shortage of pilots, but In comparison, the switch from Boeing to Airbus was certainly not an unpleasant one and I can say that my last years as an aviator on the Airbus were the most enjoyable. Greetings 🫡 👨✈️
Did I just see through the cockpit window thru to the side windows in the passenger cabin, while it was being towed? It might have been a different model aircraft
The 797 sounds like a very good airplane, but if Boeing cannot bring it into service much faster than the 777X, which to this day has still not being certified, flight travel will probably be replaced by teleportation before the 797 gets certified. I do sincerely wish Boeing very good luck, they need it.
They need X-48 BWB plane ASAP to be competitive ... It will cover military expectations (Pacific theatre transport). If it would be modular (which should [alike 737/767/747]) it will save ton of finances and that how they should recoup financially .... I am also thinking about other type inter-modularity - for the future -SPACE SHUTTLE (based on X-37, but bigger) together w/ SPACE-X Rockets as boosters ....
The current challenge is an airframe would not be to difficult to design. But the engine is a totally different problem. One of the main reasons carriers went from the NG to the MAX was the large increase in fuel efficiency. Boeing will need to make a very similar fuel jump on the 797. That engine does not exist yet.
I see little hope for Boeing’s dominance,because it is no longer dominant. Airbus is. Boeing has already blown it by their endless quest for profit, rather than *sufficient* profit but excellently engineered planes. The merger will have ended up killing Boeing, unless something drastic happens.
This isn't news; the"797" isn't even a brochure yet, letaline any form of competition for the A220/A320/Embraer narrowbodies. The only shocking 6:30 thing about this video is that it's presented as fact rather than the pie-in-the-sky that it is.
@ True. Yet planes are re-engined such as the DC-8, 707s (military versions) or all of Airbus’s NEOs and even the 737. Planes used to have several engine types available, such as the 747. It is a secondary consideration.
It is a video that becomes too long repeating several aspects, many times. It includes much obviuous information. Shallow level of investigation and the same things, on and on.
Does this mean Boing has changed its ways and will focus on building aircraft. All the trouble over the last few decades has been caused by a foolish prioritization of share holder returns.
I wasted 10 minutes so you don't have to. Here's answer to what most would be interested. - No quote from current boeing executive was mentioned in this video. - No evidence that shows boeing is developing a entirely new plane was presented in this video.
Le 797 fera bien mieux que le 737 ... En effet, à une certaine hauteur il perdra, simultanement, toutes ses portes, une partie de ses hublots, une partie de ses ailes, un moteur, et les problèmes d'humidité seront instantanement résolu car il se transformera en torche ...☝️😌
Forget the 797 - bring back the pocket rocket of the air, the 757, the best airliner ever built!!!
How in hell are they going to pay for the development costs, anywhere between 20 to 25 Billion USD? They are not even cspable built the planes they have in their order books?
There may be a desire for a true 757 replacement, but insufficient demand for one.
On the vast majority of routes where a 757 is, or was used, the A321 and its variants are more than capable of replacing it. Not only can they replace it, but they can do it far more economically, with a wider cabin and the option of a containerised hold.
I suspect that when, or even if Boeing produces anything to replace the 757, it will not be a true replacement, but something far closer to the A321. The demand for an aircraft to fill the gap for an aircraft capable of 'hot and high' operation where the 757 excels, and short runway performance on the few remaining runways that haven't been extended since the 757 was launched is probably in the low hundreds at best, rather than the thousands for the A321, or anything similar to it.
@@neilpickup237 this is correct. Plus, since the 757 has been out of production for years, they’d still need to start the program from scratch essentially. New supply chains and everything. To sell a new aircraft of that capacity, it needs to have a longer range like 6500 nmi. They can’t really do that with the limited engine options for the 757 and its older aerodynamics design
Long haul in the flying pencil was absolutely the worst experience ever.
Pilots might have liked it, passengers crammed in the back liked it a lot less.
@@GoalHornGeek Agreed. However, even if the production line had been mothballed and supply chains could be in place immediately, the additional weight of the 757 would make it difficult for it to compete with the very much lighter Airbus.
After years of miss management, Boeing has no room for error now. They really need to come out with something revolutionary.
Nothing new here. I fell for clickbait. Complete waste of time.
Redesign the 757
Absolutely! No need for a new line. Redesign 757. Probably best plane ever!
Regarding the height of the landing gear, why can’t they develop an adjustable landing gear that accommodates the larger engines but after landing lowers itself to the standard height? The engines may be just above the ground but what does that matter when the plane is parked?
How about solving the issues on the current planes first?
Agree, they should do this first!
@@PeriChicDE this video is fake . There is no 797 even planned
Are they sure not to compromise the safety against cost?
CLICK BAIT ! Boeing annonced that it won't be making anything anytime soon. They already have too much on their plate. Watch Simple flying, they're serious.
I like the 787!
same
Very ambitious! Huge engineering challenge that Boeing is up to the task. Very excited to see what airplane Boeing builds.
@@josephmalone253 this video is fake , there is no 797 . They have stated they will not build
With all the senior level engineers they laid off (in an effort to reduce costs) who will design a new airplane?
@@mikeprezioso9242 Retirement is more of an issue. It’s industry wide.
If they start now. Maybe in 15 years they will have a new plane.
Not if 777X is any example
What can we expect? Landing gear that doesn't work. Doors that fly off at 30 thousand feet. Computer system jams, etc. etc.
killer computer that pushes the plane down , composite fuselage that melt like ice , but still nothing for passengers survival . why don't we just keep on building the same planes we've been flying for decades now ?
Once again:
There is NO active "797" program at Boeing!
Boeing has not yet published the FY2024 financial results. When they do, it will be a rude and painful awakening for all those fan communities who still dream about all those fancy futuristic development projects they hope to be carried out.
The reason everyone says Boeing designed a "bad" 737 landing gear is because it was designed for a Pratt JT8D engine used on 737-200, 727 and Dc-9's of the time. No one in 1970 anticipated the 737 lasting as long as it has. 737 NG & Max would probably have never been contemplated back then.
Thanks for the news
Make it a bit wider and give passengers that extra 1/2”
Will there be a lowrider version and a 4x22 monster mudder off runway driving?
I fell for it! Damn!
747 is best .
Sure!
A couple years ago, I was flying home from my native country of Sweden on board and airbus A330 with Scandinavian Airlines. I went in to use the lavatory and I took a look around and I saw ashtrays. That plane was built when people could still smoke on board and it was still flying! Great aircraft! Boeing needs to catch up seriously.
Let me think about this???
Single asile, medium range and reliable?..,,
B757 come to mind👨✈️
Awesome. It is also considered the successor to the 757.
Many forget that there are no engines currently capable of gaining a sufficient capacity advantage over the A321, so new engines would be required.
Had there been suitable engines, Airbus would almost certainly have stretched the A321 to the maximum the market can support.
It is true that a lighter composite wing could allow perhaps another four (or five?) rows of seats in a stretch beyond the A321 with the current engines, but that would still fall short of what is expected from a Boeing single aisle replacement.
It is inconceivable that those new engines would not also be available to Airbus.
While Boeing may have the technical advantage over Airbus with composite fuselages, the arguably not quite as good Airbus design is much cheaper to produce - a significant factor in the A350 reaching profitability after a few hundred airframes, and the 787 failing to do so after over 1000.
It should also be apreciated that as fuselage diameter reduces, the weight advantage of a composite fuselage decreases sharply. Therefore, once again, the vast proportion of any benefits will rely on the engines to deliver them.
How about the 757 with new engines, new avionics and new construction materials?
Too large & heavy. Boeing messed up developing the 757 & 767 for the same medium route market ... when the 757 has the same size fuselage as the 737 but tall tall landing gear for the larger engines.
The 757 should have been designed to replace the 737 for its routes ... and the 767 (medium widebody) form medium routs and finally the 777 to replace the 747. All with the same fly by wire glass cockpit. But Boeing didn't. Plus after A320 entered service in late 80's, Boeing refused to replace the 737 as the A320 was clearly the superior aircraft , nor lighten & improve the 757 in anticipation of competition with the A320, nor did they add stick flybyware glass cockpit to the 777 .... to be used on new designs like the 787 or ... 797. Boeing just kept on messing up year after year. ... going all the way back with the 727 which has the same size fuselage as the 707, 737 & 757.
@ Agreed, Boeing played the wrong cards
Phil Condit must bear some the downfall at Boeing. However, I agree with him that the failure of the new 797 program or the continued stretching of the 737 cannot be an option. Perhaps Boeing management should stop the war with its labor and bring back the "incredibles!"
Former Boeing Training Captain
CLICKBAIT WARNING - Before watching just google 797 and you will see there is absolutely nothing going on with the 797 program. Consider this my sacrifice to you the viewer!
We travelers want to see interior pictures.
Describing Embraer as "trailing" is a bit misleading. Embraer is a highly regarded and well respected manufacturer with an excellent track record, but it's a smaller company and doesn't compete in all sectors. The one "trailing" in most respects is Boeing. Very sad for what once was a great company.
~13 minutes long ????? Get to the point...... Everybody kow the constantly repeatedly Boeing failures ........
Not to avoid the "mistake of the 737" regarding its low landing gear? Back in 1970, that was one of the 737 requirements, to be able to operate in airports that had no "infrastrucure" for passenger boarding.
Even if Boeing have developed plans for the 797, there is no possibility of seeing the finished aircraft ready to provide to their cutomers for a minium of ten years, more likely 15 years +. In much less time Airbus will have new aircraft built and selling around the world.
good luck. 🎉
What happen to the 727. It was a very nimble plane,I use to fly on them at least twice a month.
They started the video making it seem like the plane was about ready to be launched, but after watching the video, it seems to be more like a concept. They had better get their act together, especially after their miss with the rocket setback.
Is this real or speculation?
Puro blablabla.
Además, "nos pregunta" a nosotros (cómo "debería" ser el 797) cuando es él quien dice lo que dice...
@cesardavrieux3767 si, eso pensé 🤣🤣🤣
Safety is the priority I as a customer concern.
Sure.
What about the 777X? Finish that up first
NOT THE 797 FANTASY AGAIN. Look. Boeing will NEVER make an all new aircraft again.
The best it will do is try and upgrade. And fail. The B787 for the next 25 years. BOEING is finished.
Long overdue, I'll just stick with Airbus from now on.
Maybe they can design a CVR & FDR that transmit data to the 'CLOUD' and don't erase the last 4 minutes of a fatal crash.
What a NOVEL idea?!!
They will not be making ANYTHING soon.
And neither will Airbus
wow and then there is just speculation. Thers is no Design jet of the 797. What an incredible waste of time.
I’ll let it fly for a year or two before I go on it. We haven’t forgotten the 737 max
Its a welcome move.
Yes!
Следующее поколение "Боингов" видимо будет с восьмёркой. Боинг 808 😊
Sound interesting.
When (if ever) will it get certification?
Take 737 max 10, make it longer, third engine upster behinde, longer wings and you have long range 797 most feul efficient too
I hope that Boeing is letting Boeing Engineers design the plane not the bean counters
The 797 has been on and off so many times over the years I will not believe it until I see a real 797 sitting on the apron and flying.
The 737 can operate in some smaller airports with short runways can the 797 do the same?
Stop showing all the other Boeing aircraft. Get straight to the 797. I do not like these UA-cams that don’t go straight to the title. I’m not even gonna watch it till the end now.
Boeing has been yakking about the 797 for years. I'll believe it when I see it.
@@jamesgoodman9259 boeing has said there will be no 797 as of 2 years ago
747 with better engine design 😀👍🏻would be great as well
That would be cool!
Nice 👍
Too late! Airbus already has the A321xlr in service with more than 550 orders. The aircraft usually takes up to a decade to enter service or possibly longer judging on the 777x.
Bring back the 747. Queen of the sky.
Time will tell
Yes!
As an instructor I've flown both Airbus and Boeing in the last 34 years and hands down Boeing is a Superior Aircraft.
Except for when you come to the 737 MAX . How can a company go from the beautiful, incredible 747 to the 737 MAX. THE MIND BOGGLES.
Well my dear colleague, I think that we’ll both climb the ladder by flying at first the military jets, the trustworthy DC’s, Embraer’s, Fokkers, Boeings and so on. Although for me the journey went a bit faster due to a serious shortage of pilots, but In comparison, the switch from Boeing to Airbus was certainly not an unpleasant one and I can say that my last years as an aviator on the Airbus were the most enjoyable. Greetings 🫡 👨✈️
In what way?
@@prosanis1216Same background. Same assessment here.
@@railvlogger1439 if you don’t understand the way of flying don’t respond 🤷🏻♂️it is a kinda way of respecting one another 🙏
They need to put it in production as soon as possible airlines will love this aircraft as a passenger. I’m looking forward to being on one.
Yes!!
Speed: FAST LIKE THE CONCORD WAS!!!!!!!!!!
Can’t fly supersonic across the US
@LEVELGAZANOW ... The Concord did it!!!!!!! New York to Paris .. super sonic!!
@ Not over the US. New York to Paris isn’t over the US.
Boeing's reaping the rewards of their DEI policy.
Another sardine can. Why not bring back the airliners from the 1960s with leg room!
Airframe design has nothing to do with legroom. Legroom is determined by seat placement which is configured by the customer.
Did I just see through the cockpit window thru to the side windows in the passenger cabin, while it was being towed? It might have been a different model aircraft
We need Lockheed Martin back to civil aviation.
did they put the bolts in the doors?
The 797 sounds like a very good airplane, but if Boeing cannot bring it into service much faster than the 777X, which to this day has still not being certified, flight travel will probably be replaced by teleportation before the 797 gets certified. I do sincerely wish Boeing very good luck, they need it.
They need X-48 BWB plane ASAP to be competitive ...
It will cover military expectations (Pacific theatre transport). If it would be modular (which should [alike 737/767/747]) it will save ton of finances and that how they should recoup financially ....
I am also thinking about other type inter-modularity - for the future -SPACE SHUTTLE (based on X-37, but bigger) together w/ SPACE-X Rockets as boosters ....
Click bait. This plane is years away from production, let alone carrying passengers. If ever.
That's why Airbus has the upper hand.
The current challenge is an airframe would not be to difficult to design. But the engine is a totally different problem. One of the main reasons carriers went from the NG to the MAX was the large increase in fuel efficiency. Boeing will need to make a very similar fuel jump on the 797. That engine does not exist yet.
If Not Then GE!😮😊
Don't forget that Airbus has more free names available - A360,A 370 and A390 ;)
They need to focus on getting the max 8 fixed before they move onto something bigger and supposedly better. 🙄
U wish to compete w/ MAX, when in root it is 1950/60 plane in root ? ? ?
Good luck, my friend ....
They should consider trying to reuse parts of the 787 to build the 797. Should reduce both production cost and engineering cost.
Great idea!
this is very scare, my cat sad
The problem today with Boeing is the “AS SOON AS POSSIBLE” then you will have things like the MAX!!!
Expected in the 1930’s. Could be a decade away.
Clickbait?
I see little hope for Boeing’s dominance,because it is no longer dominant. Airbus is. Boeing has already blown it by their endless quest for profit, rather than *sufficient* profit but excellently engineered planes. The merger will have ended up killing Boeing, unless something drastic happens.
They NEED to get the MAX 7 certified. They can’t even finish their current production aircraft.
Fix the 737 max first!!
Sure.
“If”.
I look forward to my flight from Rome to New York...on an Airbus 330.
A day late and a dollar short. Think Airbus XLR...
What AI computer wrote this nonsense. Fuselage is not a new term for example.
Boeing shocking the industry is a given unfortunately 💔
If then797 will come as tright seats and small bathrooms is lost. Airbus is already too small
This isn't news; the"797" isn't even a brochure yet, letaline any form of competition for the A220/A320/Embraer narrowbodies. The only shocking 6:30 thing about this video is that it's presented as fact rather than the pie-in-the-sky that it is.
click bait.... 😢
I see Boeing finally find the correct path to success; 737 generation should be changed with 797 asap
😂 😂 😂 Fly the 777x first then talk about 797
Maybe soon 😂
You are talking about a Fata Morgana.
Smoke and mirrors to give shareholders the illusion that Boeing is back on track… nothing more than a convenient concept
Do all the hatches stay on?
Sure :)
So, what plane model did they paint "797" on and why? Why did they make this video? Because they haven't got anything else to do? Embarrassing.
The engines can change. Make the plane the best it can be and if a better engine comes along use that. Why is that so complicated?
Airo dynamics plays a big roll in what engines they use on a plan.
@ True. Yet planes are re-engined such as the DC-8, 707s (military versions) or all of Airbus’s NEOs and even the 737. Planes used to have several engine types available, such as the 747. It is a secondary consideration.
It is a video that becomes too long repeating several aspects, many times. It includes much obviuous information. Shallow level of investigation and the same things, on and on.
Thanks for the view!
3:31 seconds in and absolutely zero info that says how 797 just shocked the industry. Click bait and will down vote this.
Does this mean Boing has changed its ways and will focus on building aircraft. All the trouble over the last few decades has been caused by a foolish prioritization of share holder returns.
What about the 777 X🙊
We updated the latest news🫢
Don't hold your breath.
I wasted 10 minutes so you don't have to. Here's answer to what most would be interested.
- No quote from current boeing executive was mentioned in this video.
- No evidence that shows boeing is developing a entirely new plane was presented in this video.
Le 797 fera bien mieux que le 737 ... En effet, à une certaine hauteur il perdra, simultanement, toutes ses portes, une partie de ses hublots, une partie de ses ailes, un moteur, et les problèmes d'humidité seront instantanement résolu car il se transformera en torche ...☝️😌