PORSCHE 718 SPYDER IS BETTER THAN 911? - Automotive Engineer Gives 5 Reasons Why!
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- Опубліковано 2 тра 2021
- Porsche 718 Spyder is one of the most unique vehicles in the Porsche line up, with a beautiful design and a heart-stopping flat-six naturally aspirated 4.0L engine. But what if you compare this to the legendary Porsche 911? Would an Automotive Engineer with over 30 years of experience choose the 718 Spyder over the 911? Find out why David Chao - one of the most experienced automotive evaluation engineers in the world - thinks the Spyder is the car to pick over the 911.
This is a full review of the new 718 Spyder, with specific references to advantages over the 911.
Automotive Press is owned by David Chao, a renowned expert in the field of automotive consulting, evaluation, and engineering.
NOTE: One correction is that the 718 Spyder is now available with a PDK automatic as well. - Авто та транспорт
Proud to be an owner of the unicorn. 718 Spyder, Gentian blue, Aurum wheels, Manual transmission, Bucket seats. This car is special and glad to see someone recognizing that fact.
It's a beauty, inside and out!
Me too! Mine is Chalk color
@@tet2mor282 I have a Chalk / Red / Red / Black Wheels on order. Can't wait!
@@geoffgraham4764 you’re gonna freakin love ittttttttt
@@tet2mor282 I love the chalk color! Congrats!
He’s right. “Spyder is the perfect sports car”. I got my Spyder a few weeks ago, and it’s insanely great. This car handles like no other car. And OMG, it’s so beautiful. Automotive art.
Congratulations
Also an owner of a 718 Spyder since a year. Best Porsche I have ever driven. Everything explained in this review is just true.
Yep. I have a 2023 Spyder. Best car that I have ever driven in my life. This video is complete correct.
In the last two years, I can’t tell you how many Spyder reviews I’ve watched. I love your take on the Spyder v 911 perspective.
This car is superior on many levels. The 911 is a great car, but it has grown far too large.
I can’t tell you how many 911 owners agree with your comments. This is the pure drivers car.
I’m in San Diego. I see 911s every single day. I’ve only seen 1 Spyder on the road in my entire life. Very exclusive. That along with the looks and price sold me. Picking my up in November.
Got my Spyder. It’s insanely great. Your review is 100% spot on. There is literally no other car that I would own.
180kg heavier than before but that stupid top..however looks amazing. But would rather want an 987 spyder
I kept bouncing back and forth between this, a Carerra S, and a GT4. In the end the fact the spyder has those beautiful humps behind the seats and the overall design caused me to go that route. (The fact that only 8 people were ahead of me vs 16 for a GT4 didn't hurt either). We will see how long it takes to reach the front of the line now.
Im going through that right now....911 Carrera S vs 718 Spyder
@@drmcelderryI made a compromise, my 981 Spyder has a 911S engine…
I used to want a 911 (would still be happy to), but as you've mentioned they have become a little more of a GT car rather than a raw sports car. The 718 Spyder/GT4 are not as fast as a 911, but as a driver, it's not about outright speed, it's about the emotions and experience of getting in the car and becoming a part of it.
The 718 spyder and gt4 are faster than the base 911
especially with pdk
I appreciate your mature and more relevant review. Most reviews fault this car’s gear ratio as, some called it, a “fatal flaw.” But anyone interested in getting this car should think about the fact that they are car reviewers and they will wring out the engine to its full tilt before every gear shift. No one who buys this car will abuse it like that. The sweet spot power band in this is 4500 - 6500 RPM when driving on canyon roads and gear ratio was never even an issue to me. Out here in Southern California, this car proves to offer the perfect balance, not only in its weight distribution but also between its chassis and the power. This is a car you can really work with and it will reward you in ways that old analog sports cars used to do. I wouldn’t recommend it as a vanity car. But if you are a driving enthusiast, there isn’t much out there that is better than this car. To me, this car sits perfectly at the balancing point between the first generation Miata and the McLaren 750.
I rarely comment on videos, but I really enjoyed your presentation style, knowledge of the car, and last but not least, your very clear audio.
I appreciate that! Thank you!
Great review, no nonsense, subscribed. I have a 2.5T GTS and had a 4.0 GTS for a while as a loan car while mine had warranty work. Definitely an improvement and can only imagine what the spyder/ GT4 would be like!
Awesome detailed review!
Recently found this channel, I really enjoy it
Hope it becomes more popular
Thank you so much!
Thank you for a no-BS review. Love your insights. Keep up the great work, David. From the video, it looks like you are in Vancouver ;)
Thank you so much! Yes I am in Vancouver, although normally I travel all over the world (pre-covid).
@@AutomotivePress Same here, can't wait for travelling to resume. Meanwhile, stay safe!
It’s criminal the 718 line doesn’t get more respect. I love my mid engine cars & wouldn’t trade them for anything including the much lauded 911 😉
I MUST FIND a front axle lift kit, for so may speed humps and driveway access and even street vertical angle change in/out of shopping areas scare me. Don't want to destroy the front end underside. From Arizona, USA.
Great review!
Thanks!
A great review in my opinion, very well delivered, what a car ..... I feel the emotion! Do you have a link to your jacket and cap!
Thank you! I am not sure if Porsche still carries those products because I bought mine at the Porsche headoffice in Stuttgart in Germany, 2 years ago. Try going to the Porsche apparel section...
Extremely well articulated review; was instrumental in convincing me to purchase a 718 Spyder. Great work👍🏼
Awesome, thank you!
Me too. Just hit my 23 Spyder. Gentian blue. It’s unreal….
Well done great review, you have a new subscriber. My channel is new but I’m going to try and review as many of the different Porsches over the last 40 years as possible, what a great brand and here’s to the future 👍
What a great review.
Thank you so much!
Nice mild-mannered and honest review.👍
Thank you so much!
This is so true i rarely see the boxster spyder on the road. I see more 911 carreras. The downside is just soft top roof takes awhile to put up and down. It also reminds me of the carrera gt
Please try out the DeMan 4.5L Cayman/Spyder.
It's like this Spyder but wayyy more powerful?
I had a 2013 Boxster S and I think it’s a fantastic car so I can only imagine how good the Spyder is! I now own a 2020 Shelby GT350R and that’s a car I would highly recommend you review if you have the opportunity as the “R” models are very scarce. Thanks!
I traded in my 05 S, 144,000 miles of smiles for a 2016 981 Spyder. I love the ragtops!
I liked your video and love that car!
I SHOULD HAVE GOT THIS CAR INSTEAD OF THE 4.0 LTR GT AS IT LOOKS PRETTIER THAN MINE
Do the swap before it’s too late. You won’t have a second chance!
718 spyder is the peak car (for pure driving enjoyment) in the current Porsche range. I think it's even better then 992 gt3 Touring
This car is available with the pdk option as well (at least here in Germany). Edit: Just saw your addition in the description.
Yes I know, I've made that correction in the comment section (initially it was only offered in manual)
Anyone who understands physics and race cars knows the mid engined design is hands down better than rear engined. It is simply safer and easier to drive the Spyder fast than the 911, and turn in is better, as well as using the throttle to steer in corners. Really no question to me the Spyder is a better sports car.
Yep! It’s better and more beautiful
Thanks for yr review, appreciated. OMG best looking Porsche by far, 4 liter engine, manual, humps, ltd edition, yes i want one.
I just got my Spyder. This review is 100% correct. My car is insanely great. Puts a smile on my face every day.
Great in-depth review! Where is this in stock?
You have to order one and wait one year or longer ...
@@AutomotivePress That's true, even in Germany! Greetings from Germany!
Go to Rennlist, you'll see how hard it is to get an allocation
@@joe718gt4 totally true, unless you have a strong relationship with a dealership or with Porsche headoffice...
Lucky enough to get an allocation.....should be here in two months!
I’ve had my Spyder 7, months and this review is 100% accurate.
Best car Porsche ever made. Better than a 911.
Love porsches! Love the boxsters and caymans and 911's. Cant go wrong with any of them.
you probably dont care but if you're stoned like me atm you can stream all of the latest movies on instaflixxer. Have been streaming with my brother lately :)
@Henry Cannon Yup, I've been using InstaFlixxer for years myself =)
@Henry Cannon definitely, I've been watching on instaflixxer for since december myself :D
I've got one on order!!! I agree with your list. The values have already gone up on these... BTW hilarious you're talking about the engine right when driving by the Tesla 16:23
Got my Spyder coming in November. So excited. This review is also spot on.
@@kennethherskind2250 nice! I picked mine up in June. Was a really fun summer!!
Why are the comments about a Porsche 718 Spyder and go back years for a video that is from 13 hours ago?
Better is actually kinda depends on the perspective and purpose. Both are really good and fun to drive. But if you are looking for a 2 seater sports car, and you have other cars for fam, etc, then the 718 is arguably a better choice. But if you are looking for an only car that can do both daily and sporting, plus you have at leas 1 or 2 kids, then the 911 would be a better choice. 😏
One correction, the car is also available with a PDK gearbox. I know because I’ve ordered one that I should be getting at the end of next month.
Yes I'm aware and made a comment about that in the description.
The 2020 version was only available with the 6speed manual. The later versions can be ordered with a PDK.
I ordered a 718 Spyder gentian blue, I still doubt gold wheels or silver wheels, I never saw one with gold wheels yet, what do you think?
I have a Spyder coming in gentian blue. But going with Platinum wheels. Looks Sophisticated
It’s available with PDK as well. Not just manual.
Yes I am aware, it wasn't announced when I filmed this episode
You def want to blend in when it comes to tickets
Love these but wish they had a legitimate all power convertible
718 GTS?
This car definitely tickles my fantasy
Almost a perfect review. You forgot to mention it is a GT Spyder. LOL.
What do you mean GT Spyder?? It’s a 718 Boxter Spyder. There is no “GT” in the name
@@Jayturbo_ENTJ If we want to get down to brass tacks, Porsche eliminated the word "Boxster"(it has an "S") from the 718 Spyder. Your guess is as good as mine as to why. It is a 718 Spyder...not a 718 Boxster Spyder. I think the reviewer in this video was careful to call it exactly that. I think where Kevin was coming from is that the Spyder is now a true GT car made at the Porsche GT Motorsports facility where they make all of the other GT cars. And it has GT3 underpinnings now. So it is now considered a Porsche GT car with all of the other GT cars(GT2,3,4,Speedster,etc).
Worth a look for a quick way to put the roof up and down: ua-cam.com/video/rsb0ig7YuHc/v-deo.html
Next review will be " 5 reasons why hamburger is better than a steak "
There are 5 for sale now…
911 is no longer the fun weekend and track event product that it once was. Thankfully, the Boxster and cayman exist
Spyder is way better. I know. I have one. It’s PEAK PORSCHE
I wonder if it’ll be a mistake buying any Porsche’s in their current form with direct fuel injection…..might be better to wait for the port and direct injection motors.🤔
Top car
911 speedster is the collector.
981 Spyders are going up in value, 3 are listed for $105K. My sticker price was $110K, I paid $89.5K 6 months ago.
@@clu4u 105k pricing from dealers, 90k trade in. I got a 2018 cayman gts, 105 new, paid 85k with 59 miles on it. To trade for a new one, gt4, 911, it's always gonna cost you 30 to 50k more,
May trade one day but I want use and miles on the cayman and I also have a 991.2 c2s convertable, both with low miles.But when, I look at the new ones, I say, hey, my cars are just as good. For now anyway.
Gt4, sypder would be for sure at top of list. I seen a red spyder at the race in road atlanta and mistook it for the SPEEDSTER.
Spyder a Beautiful car, enjoy it. buddy.
@@waltvancourt5052 ThAnks for the compliment, drive safely!
This is Porsche’s unconscious move to a pure sports car because you can’t do it with an engine behind the rear axle.
Too bad none are available.....
Beautiful Car. However, come on Porsche, 130k and I have to put the top down manually?
Yes, AND you have to shift gears manually too😹
Hello?! Challenge is finding a dealer who will sell you a Spyder. Produced once every five years and in very limited quantities.
Yes I know... very difficult to find
In Germany you can order a spyder or the gt4 at the dealership like any other model. Delivery time is +1-2 months on top of the standard cayman and boxster models.
Great in theory, terrible in practice, esp if one live in the uk. Uncomfortable, nearly unusable on normal roads. Hence you see 4 owner examples on forecourts with 4k miles. I ‘d take a plain Carrera any day of the week. The softer the car the faster it is point to point in the UK. And if one wants a track car only, again there are better cars to knacker around a track, for less money.
Only saving grace is future value. Lock it in an ionised garage for 20 years.
Just to add for disclosure as I was in the market for one. I test rode it, returned it within 10min. Ended up buying a Carrera GTS, which is also better, but also marginal in the uk. I wish I had saved £20k and bought a plain Carrera on 19inch wheels with fat tyres and no PDCC
Comfort seats??? Not for the enthusiast!
I have a Spyder. Just daily drive and love these seats. Buckets are for the track.
Its available as a PDK also, dude.
It wasn't when it was first introduced, but I've already corrected that in my description section if you look carefully.
What about the connecting rods...I hope Porsche fixed all of the problematic Spyders
The new ones are all good now
The connecting rod issue was only on a small batch of cars. Very few effected reached consumers and most were recalled prior to any issue.
Only 190 cars were affected by it and its under control now.
u cant just buy it. long que
130,000 ? The corvette will blow it away at 85,000
Not all about numbers. And the did in fact put the two up against each other(GT4 vs Stingray). The Vette won be one tenth of a second around a track. I would not call that "blown away". Also the GT4 was manual and the vette DCT. So add PDK to the mix and it might have turned the tables. Anyway, I have had 4 vettes in my day. Time to grow up.
The Straight Pipes did a compare with the PDK vs C8, no one was blown away, shockingly.
@@clu4u with a 100hp difference. I just watched that video and agree...the GTS held its own for sure. I was surprised.
More affordable? Lol
Er redet und redet 😂
Porsches would be great cars to own if the fanboys weren’t so self-absorbed and narcissistic.
Hmm... I've met many Porsche owners who saved their whole life to buy their dream car - and they are very down to earth and approachable.
@@AutomotivePress I did say the Porsche “fanboys” not willing to indict all Porsche owners, however, you don’t really understand the Porsche customer base apparently. Porsche certainly does. You only need to take a cursory look at the Porsche Magazine “ Christophorus” with its aspirational lifestyle bent and focused on celebrity-hood with Chopard or Wellendorf ads. It’s not an accident that Porsche had the hubris to call the top line Taycan, the Turbo S even if there isn’t a turbo anywhere to be found. It is pure marketing to a fashion conscious and mostly technically uninterested crowd.
Personally, I think the lines of the Spyder are a bit fugly so I don’t have a horse in this race. I will say that for a sports car, Porsches are fun and easy to live with.
@@JD-ze2fy Thanks for your input. I have owned several Porsche's and know many friends who are Porsche owners, and they are hard working, very down to earth people who saved money over many years to buy the Porsche products. So I wanted to say that we can't stereotype in general - I think we are all allowed to present our opinions without being judged.
@@JD-ze2fy Who stuck a stick up your ass? Lose the attitude, please. I get compliments about half the time when I’m parking or driving away. It’s spectacular in person. Have you seen one in person?
@@clu4u no reason to argue subjective looks. But I will say, that is the first time I have ever heard someone call a Spyder "ugly".
Need a hard top convertible not that foolish rag manual top! Or a better design clothe automatic top!
Not with the manual transmission! When you can’t use the full engine speed range, it’s a really bad thing. It’s bad on track, and it’s bad on the road. Watch the Throttle House review.
So sad that Porsche has destroyed what would have been an incredible package. I had paid a deposit to get one, but cancelled because of the terrible gear ratios. Porsche should NOT be rewarded for this.
Get the PDK and then you have a great car. But there’s something “wrong” about a Spyder with an automatic.
I own a 718 Spyder, and the gear ratio thing is overstated. I mean, maybe it would be better with slightly shorter ratios, but what you've got is a light, beautiful car, a 4 liter engine that revs to 8,000, manual transmission, monster brakes, and a GT department chassis. And were you really planning to buy a limited edition Porsche and then faithfully stick to the 65 mph speed limit? It's unquestionably the best Porsche outside of a GT3, and I couldn't be more thankful that they made it.
@@agroves72 I'm glad you like it. I had ordered one and backed out because I cannot support Porsche for making such a bad choice on the gear ratios. You say it revs to 8000 - OK, but what's the point if you can only access that in 1st? And, we all know that hitting the redline in 1st makes for a very jerky ride, since 1st gear has a lot of torque and is only suited to get you off the line.
I guess I just don't want to compromise when I spend over $100K.
The PDK is totally fine of course. But there's something "wrong" about a PDK Spyder.
@@Fluterra I think my disagreement with the Throttle House guys is their contention that you can't hit redline in 2nd on public roads. Where I live, freeway traffic routinely drives at 75+, even if the speed limit is lower. And there are always rural highways, not that I would consider speeding on them. Anyway, to each their own, and I hope you find a car that you love.
@@agroves72 But that's the whole point! You seem to be missing that you SHOULD be able to hit redline in 2nd and even 3rd gear, on public roads, without speeding. Even on track, you need to be able to use the engine to its fullest, which means being in the ~4500-8000 range for most of the track. You cannot do that with the GT4/Spyder manual, which is a dealbreaker. Even for a GTS it's not acceptable. Different story with the PDK, of course.
There is a reason for this. Porsche did not do this "just because". There are drive by noise regulations.....you know....like the one where you cannot register a GT3 in California because of noise? So Porsche had to fit the gearing to the test profile. Do a little research and you will see. And the car does not have to be revved to redline every single time to enjoy it.
There only five reason the 718 is better than the 911, but I am sure you will find 10 reasons the 911 is better than the 718. And that’s why the 911 is more expensive.
That maybe true for the regular 718, but the Spyder is something very special!
Same will go if you compare a Ferrari or Lamborghini or any other brands with the 911. There will always be better and worst. At the end of the day, it’s whatever makes you happy and what you can afford!
@@tet2mor282 Yes... and there is just something quite special about the Spyder!
Sorry, but most 911 owners have more money than sense. Why else would you choose it? Name 5 reasons...
@@clu4u this is by far the best statement I’have ever read in UA-cam .. chapeau