Watch This Before You Buy A Porsche 718 Spyder
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2020
- I jump behind the wheel of a 2020 Porsche 718 Spyder, the third generation of the Boxster Spyder.
From the moment it launched, I fell in love with the looks of the 718 Spyder so I was super excited to experience it. Finally this generation of the car is nearly mechanically identical to it's hard topped brother, the GT4. With a naturally aspirated 4.0l flat-six engine putting out over 400hp, it should be one of the best cars you can buy under £100,000.
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Sam: "Watch this before you buy a Porsche 718 spyder"
Me: **proceeds to watch it before purchasing my new bicycle**
Me proceeding not to buy anything.
Haha struggled with the title of this video. Gone for the long game ;)
Depending on the bicycle, they may not get up to the same price but a nice bike is not cheap, these days!
I think it is easier to buy one of these than a bit at the moment
It is rather funny when you're out cycling and some ned in a shitheap shouts at you to get a car knowing you've got 2 bikes each worth more than his 15 year old Clio aswell as a Merc at home.
“Cars With Luke” said the same thing about his GT4 until he modified the exhaust, now he adores it again.
Even with modified exhaust the OPF filters are still there... i didn't notice much of a difference really when he changed the exhaust and he didn't seem really excited either... maybe its just my observations but when Luke is excited about the sound you really see it on his face and thats missing when he is driving his GT4.
@@peterfon7018 Exactly. They still sound sub par.
@@peterfon7018 is there any modification that can get rid of the OPF filters? There has to be a way I'd think
@@jameseast8510 there is, but you will have to tune it too
James East not sure there’s a way of doing it where the vehicle can still pass it’a MOT
This video illustrates what I've been saying about car reviewers for years. They're only good for a year or two, still excited about new cars, and able to express their enthusiasm without clouding it with supercars experiences.
Once someone get behind the wheel of the very best of the very best, or at least the fastest of the fastest, it's only natural to look at other cars has a little less.
That would be fine if you're speaking to an audience of fellow car reviewers or people who have driven everything and can relate. Most audiences however, consists of dreamers like myself, who wants to know just how great it is to get behind the wheel of a car like this one, 400 horsepower, convertible, mid-engine Porsche, and loving it for what it is and not at what it is not.
Very few reviewers resist the jading that is quite natural.
There’s another perspective though. I’ve owned a Boxster and a 911 and will be buying something newer in the next year or two. Eligible vehicles were a 911, a Spyder and a GT4. I want a manual transmission for the driving experience and I thought a Spyder was the perfect car for me but the long ratios are really making me think twice about it, it’s a valid issue if you want to play on those medium speed curvy roads. Rowing between second and third while staying in the power band but not driving too fast is the sweet spot experience I’m after.
I’m really starting to think that if I want that crisp mid-engine handling with the kind of driving engagement I’m looking for that I’m going to have a Boxster S in my driveway. I’ve driven the base Boxster with the T4 and couldn’t care less about the engine sound, they are awesome to drive and have more mid range torque than my 911 S. My 911 S sounds awesome between 5k and 7k but it’s not practical to drive like that.
The midrange push from the turbo actually makes for a more fun daily driver.
So these little details will matter a lot to someone that has owned cars like this before. What is important I think is to bring it out in a way that is factual and technical and doesn’t just sound like elitist whining.
@@wallymcguire2033 get a BBR tuned mx5. Go for the Mk3. 300bhp. Manual. Short ratios. Add under chassis bracing.
Or an mk1 tuned to 200bhp.
But be warned: to test drive one is to buy one. And especially so if you are used to modern Porsches.
@@wallymcguire2033 Replacement gear set from RPM Technic will sort the gearing if you go Spyder/GT4/GTS. Boxster T or S are fantastic and already pack enough punch for the road. I agree on sound, STG is simply a whiner in this regard, there is nothing wrong with either the 4 or 6 pot 718s other than the OPF quietens them down.
This is genuine open question and not a criticism - I was wondering whether you (& other UA-camrs) have become blasé with cars? You get to experience these incredible machines so frequently that the “meh” factor is closer to the surface than someone who may only ever get to drive a special car once in their lives. Again, not a criticism, it is human nature to a certain extent.
Yeah that has to be the case. I’ve gone from a Z4 to a base F type and I am blown away and totally in love with it.
These guys are driving super cars on a daily basis so they’d think my car is slow and not wow enough.
I think its alowed them to realisticly compare 🤷♀️ I drove a basic A3 and was blown away because I own a 300 quid shit box. But that means that I couldn't realisticly give criticism and compare an amazing car against other amazing cars and my opinion would heavily outweigh the information and any unique personality of a car would be flattened by my own rose tinted glasses.
But I do understand.
I asked a guy who drifts Mercedes for a living if it gets boring. He said "It doesn't get boring, just normal"
Thanks for listening to my TedTalk
He has talked about this on the behind the glass podcast. Also, if he just said every car is great, it wouldn’t really be great buying advice
Yeah I totally get your point, whenever I drive my mates RS3 that’s tuned to over 400bhp I’m blown away yet he’s had it a year and finds it boring on most drives now. I remember going to a Porsche event and getting to drive a 911, Boxster and a Cayman and I was blown away yet my neighbour has a Cayman as a daily driver. The world is a mad place.
I was thinking the same thing. However Sam has owned a few Porche's now and can comment with experience.
I also think it is important to be critical if you can so it alleviates some of the biased 'everything's brilliant' type reviews!
It’s because the video was missing that signature “hello one and all!” 😮😂
Haha! Probably
I spent a day flogging the 718 Spyder on some amazing roads in the hills near Melbourne, it’s an excitement machine, no way I’d get bored of it, order placed!
Order placed!... (for some food)
Sam I have to say your editing is just amazing it's just so far ahead of other channels I watch.
After starting my own channel it's obvious to me how much effort you go to for all the little b roll and different angles you use to keep the video interesting.
Thanks dude! Appreciate the feedback. Good luck with your channel
@@seenthroughglass thanks Sam 😁
I have never for one moment been bored or unimpressed with the new 718 Spyder. Possibly the best sports car available.
To me, it looks like a great car for weekend drives with my husband, out to countryside restaurants or for cruising, always with the roof down with nowhere particular to go. I really like that exact car with that interior. If I had the cash, I'd have it in an instant.
Exactly my thoughts
A regular boxster would be better for that
I watched it. Now I'm off to buy a 718 Spyder
Good man
Think about the GTS 4.0
@Clippy
your lying
@@outsidethepyramid If I can buy one, anyone can...
Very enjoyable, honest review. Great to see you back out on the road on a regular basis.
I think this could really be a car for you Sam , you just have to take into account when buying one to opt for an aftermarket exhaust, OPF filter delete and gearing change (as many previous gen GT4 owners did with their cars), the car really suits you ;)
Loving the content!
Cheers mate
Sam, i love how you wobble around from left to right when you review cars. shows your excitement
oooh Sam, harsh words about the Gen 1 Spyder, my dads first dip of his toe into the world of Porsche, it was fantastic, really quite aural and alive, it had bags of personality over a standard boxster, he used it as his daily, took it on numerous runs through Europe, down to Southern Italy on one run, over the Stelvio pass ( on a day that had more cycles than cars so it was a steady drive!), the roof wasnt even that much of a pain after a few goes it all worked, he wishes he had have kept it forever, but alas Porsche wanted it back to help get him the next car, which he dutifully bought, which then led him up the garden path for a Speedster, they took him to launch night at hotel, let him sit in one, spec a very personalised one, then he asked to pay the deposit and was told "Geoff, this car isnt for you...." bit harsh I thought, and I know where I would have told the sales team to go, but he stuck with them, now has his allocation on a cherry red Targa Heritage edition coming in the autumn.
New STG video.. I'm here and I'm watching!!!
“Not the easiest experience I’ve ever had.”
This car is one of the purest forms of motoring today. A little inconvenience is well worth it.
Sam, great video. I have a 718 GTS 4.0 on order so I was very interested in this video. I am waiting for the PDK however so the gearing won't be an issue (same engine as this car). Just one small correction which I am sure was a slip of the tongue, the engine is the 3.0L engine increased to 4.0L not the 3.8. Also next year they will offer the Spyder with PDK.
What’s your GTS spec 🙃??
Hey! Have you boarded a Porsche design yacht yet?
Would be a cool video comparing design queues between the yacht (if you spot one) and the 718... Cheers!
Miguel Mc I tried last year, but after many emails the broker eventually sold it before I had the chance.
Thank god you had some good weather while you were with the car!
This is going to be a good one :D
This is actually my first ever sports car. Totally love it!!
It is the first time I prefer the Spyder than the GT4 because it is the first gen of the Spyder with the GT4's specs and because the car is made for the pleasure, it is probably better to buy/drive it without the roof!
this car would be perfect :
-without the OPF filters
-with slightly shorter gearing
-with the GT3 engine without cylinder deactivation
Word on the street is that turning off start/stop also turns off cylinder deactivation. You can also throw it into 1st gear at speeds higher than most cars 2nd.
GT3 engine doesn't fit. They wouldn't have made a second 4.0 based on the 3.0 Turbo if it did. AP confirmed it.
Can't you take off or turn off the opf filter ???.
You can change the backbox and it sounds amazing even with OPF (someone else mentioned Cars with Luke who has done that).
Sharkworks gearing is $8-10k fitted. Would expect to get half that back on resale so its a good move.
Those 2 things and you wouldn't need the GT3 engine even if it would be amazing
I guess my problem with cylinder deactivation is that it adds unnecessary weight and complication to the engine and the engine isn't inherently balanced when running on 3 cylinders. Without that, and if the body was full aluminium, i reckon they couldve lost 100kg. seems quite heavy at 1500kg. carbon tub would be even better but then ur into 911 turbo prices
Yeah i was just headed to the Porsche dealer...glad I'll be able to watch the video before I buy one :)
I think the Spyder is spectacular and if you were lucky enough to get an allocation at list price, possibly the best open top sports car on sale today.
Good review and I like your honestly. Sometimes it gets boring that every car is so fantastic and there's nothing lacking. Glad you pointed out the "feel" That's what makes a car special to me.
A friend just decided to get a spyder and directed me to Sam’s video - the second I heard the voice I yelled “Seen through glass”. She was impressed at my Kreskin impression though I’ve been a big fan of the channel for years. Anyway, she picked it up yesterday, insisted I drive it home as she was anxious about taking it on the freeway. I found it’s handling fantastic as well as the throttle response. I have 7 classic Porsches and love it’s refinement. For her, the car will be fantastic for our Porsche events and drives as she is a bit tentative. The car looks and performs beautifully and hats off to Sam as he was apparently the deciding factor in her making the jump.
Love the channel - keep up the great work in putting us in cars and a mindset we would otherwise not experience.
2:05
One speedy boi
Thanks Sam, good review, nice to hear the good and bad of a lovely looking car that seems to just need a little more to tip it over the edge.
981 Spyder wasn't a GT4 underneath. Suspension was not the same. 718 Spyder however has the same suspension as GT4 (which adopted from GT3), and is 3k cheaper than GT4 in the US. I personally would take 718 spyder over 981. Exhaust is an easy fix; suspension is not. JCR Titanium pipe sounds amazing. Just my opinion.
This seems like more a true spiritual successor to the speedster than the “GT3” Speedster to me, thoughts?
Ian Clennan 991 Speedster a big whale compared to the compact noble 718 Spyder. If you live in England and want to drive B roads then this is the most ideal car Porsche currently sell
True, because the 991 Speedster is the ultimate and only real Speedster ever, not like its predecessors ! The only one which can cope with it is the 356 Speedster.
Thank you for bringing us such good content as usual
"Possibly one of the best looking sub-$100k cars" lol. Just commit and say it IS one of them...because it is.
great video, one of the best looking Porsches of the last decade.
Save £25-£30k and get the 981 Spyder with one of the best sounding exhausts period. 718 and 981 both great cars but for me 981 edges it with classic simpler lines.
Gotta agree with this. The 981 Spyder rear end has glorious lines, simpler snd more flowing.
Just as quick in real world driving, sounds awesome too
Great colour combo - love the look of these.
Sharkwerks can re-gear the car with shorter gearing and can put a proper exhaust on it .. for a price obviously.
So you have to ship your car to the USA to have this done!!! 20,000usd later you might as well have bought a better car to start with!
This seems to be the consensus. Matt Farrah was saying the same exact thing. I know for the mountains I drive, I would definitely want that. But never mind, I’ll just be over here in my Miata. 😂
@@brentrockwood the answer is always Miata. 😉
This or a GT4 that’s the question tho
Personally I’d take a Hyundai Accent but you know different strokes for different folks
Depends on what you want to do with it, I suppose:
Want to track --> GT4
Want to just drive public roads --> Spyder
Of course some people just don't like convertibles.
What’s this new thing you’re doing Sam. Standing rooted to the spot swaying around 🤣
I absolutely LOVE the spec of this Spyder :D:D:D WOW great video as always Sam I always look forward to seeing your video's.
Damion from The Car Guys owns possibly the coolest 718 Spyder in my opinion, his philosophy behind his personalisation of the car is just perfect.
Like Matt Farrah said, get the aftermarket gear set, and a exhaust to get rid of those filters and BOOM! This car would be fan-freaking-tastic!
Great video again Sam👍🏻
Particulate filters ruins the sound. If you upgrade the exhaust, which I think you should always do on a GT series, its incredible.
Ali Khan and yo loose warranty ..
5:33 I’m taking that for my new text alert tone, Sam. 😂
As an owner - all fair comments I reckon. Long gearing hasn’t bothered me yet, but still running it in
TheCarGuys.TV how’s those brown seats?!!
@@newforestspyder2224 Fantastic :)
Dream car - Crayon with same colour combo and black rims for me ! Keep up the great content
Crayon, nooo 😂
BY FAR the most honest review of the GT4. As someone that has my name down on one I'm really interested to hear your thoughts on the sound which for me defines a sports car (I also have a 458 and a 981 Boxster). I can't help but feel that I too will be disappointed with the GT4 experience... It really feels like the golden age of sports cars is behind us. Feel like crying.
Ricky Angel watch Janko Linds review just out on yellow GT4 before deciding
It's indeed long-geared, but we need to learn and start to use all the gears, even the 1st. Then it all makes sence.
adrianius pakius those gears will never make sense, it sucks that porsche needs to defend the 911, and therefore dont make the cayman what it can really be...
GKY I’m collecting a 981 Spyder in a couple of weeks. Sharkwerks in Fremont swaps out the 2,3, and 4 gears but I’m not sure I need that.
One reason the gearing is long is because of distance do want to shift 10× to go 5 miles and less wearing on the clutch . In Germany there are long distances between towns . You need shorter gearing when are turning alot.
Sam your content is always so breathtaking. Beautiful editing and full of your character. So happy to see your channel doing better than normal. Keep nailing it. Love any content relating to Porsche. I sense a new addition coming to your garage. Don’t know what though lol 😅👌
Thank you so much! Really appreciate the feedback
@@seenthroughglass Appreciate your content Sam. Cannot wait for future videos
One of the best driving focused UA-cam channels. Period.
thank god for this video, i was so close to buying one. SAVED!!
What an epic video Sam! Content quality has been seriously epic recently!!!
Great taste, heritage interior with the carbon buckets and the metallic grey finish really bring out the car to me. The only problem being a grey 718 Spyder unfortunately screams James Dean , so I'm probably a no go on that. I do think it would be epic with some GT4 long tube headers and maybe a Sharkwerks gearbox update if you have the dough. Really just a lesser expensive compromise to the 991 speedster which, by all means would be the dream.
The proportions on this car are perfect.
The first thing that confirms that it is a proper driver's car is it has NO buttons on the steering! That itself is so refreshing to see in an age where the steering is loaded with unnecessary buttons
I see where you are coming from and fear I will feel the same, the exhaust we can fix but the gearing is a real shame. Honestly pound for pound you can't go wrong with a 981s. 👌
Is it just me but did Sam seem like he was on a blue screen on the opening shots with him stood in front of the car? Just reminded me of watching the weather man 😂
nice to see you embrace reviews a bit more, interesting take on the car!
Been waiting for this.
Best looking Porsche for many years.
The only Porsche in the current line up i want.
I would change the exhaust though.
And i'd probably get a dark red metallic with tan interior.
Haven't driven one though.
But i feel that most modern sportscars are a bit boring.
They are so good that it gets a bit soul less.
There's not much room for passion in them any more.
Nice video as usual.
Keep up the great work.
Perfect second car for good weather and enjoying life
Love this channel! Just subbed btw
Your comments are spot on. I have been driven a Spyder 718 for two years on race tracks and left some of the Cayman GT4 behind me. What a joy, a convertible overtaking a true race track car. By the way, there is a video with the famous German, Walter Röhrl, comparing a 718 Spyder and 718 Cayman on the race track. Both equally fast! If you challenge the car and drive it at its limit, what a great performance. How often can you do this on a regular road?! Now, after two years, I am going to trade my 718 Spyder for a 981 Spyder. Indeed, I got „bored“ a little bit, as you have mentioned in your clip. Struggling for a while before making the decision, your video convinced to change the gen 3 for a gen 2 model. The 981 provides you with way more emotions, particularly because of its sound and but also its agility. With a light motor tuning (in the 911 its has 400 HP), the car has equal performance as the 718 Spyder. Last but not least, on the race track I am going to use an older Cayman 981 GTS which has respectable performance and is more designed with a fixed roof for this sort of driving. Sorry for my English. Greetings from Switzerland, PD
Ah absolutely love this car, this exact spec in silver too!
nahidrahman my choice. Exactly.
I had the first Gen . I think you’re right and the second gen is the sweet spot . Third gen clearly superior re parts but the spyder is all about mountain roads not the track .
I have a 718 GT4 in the US. Sound is incredible; tall gearing complaint overdone; the car has plenty of torque at 5000 so shifting there is still a blast; on a track amazing; every minute in it has been a joy.
That spec is perfect!
Considered this, but I’m going to stick with my Carrera T which just hits above 62mph in 2nd gear and sounds amazing without any GPF’s
Enjoyed that - thanks! I did hold my breath a little on those narrow roads...!
I’m from the US, where you can find plenty of full-size, two lane back roads. I’m always impressed by how fast you Brits go on those narrow roads. When I come across 1-1/2 lane roads here, I proceed cautiously around the blind corners. I agree about the look of the car - exquisite. Too bad about the gearing and exhaust note, although I would buy one if I had the extra cash.
I dont have the money for it anyway :(
Most of us don't sadly. Don't give up though. Work hard, be ambitious at creating a business and be smart with your spending and you might get there. To be honest I'd be happy just a cayman as they are surprisingly cheap for what they are. A cayman from 2013 I've seen start from £25k which ain't bad. Could take it step further and fit a GT4 body kit or mainly the aggressive front bumper
Totally get u. I think I will opt for a old gen boxser
Nor do I! Lol
@MunroM84 totally here u their pick up big job for construction making 35hr was looking at getting bills payed up and maybe something new to drive at being of next spring see all was away.. know sitting on unplyment. Waiting hope I get call back to this job or another big job before winter.
@@seenthroughglass Hahaha how come you're contemplating a 458 Italia then?
Sam - "Weird little SUV thing up ahead"
Normals - "UK's 3rd place best selling SUV" (Kia Sportage)
Insert posh tw*t comment here
That front mounted camera angle is amazing at showing the speed of the road and how it feels to hustle at speed, please bring that camera angle back in ur future vids :)
I love the spec of this car.
I own the first Generation Spyder. Wouldn’t trade you even for the 2nd or 3rd generation Spyder. The 1st Generation Spyder was based on the Porsche 550. Keep it simple and light. My car is about 400 pounds lighter and whenever I drive it the handling brings a smile to my face. Sure the second and third generations are faster and brake better but the overall driving experience is better in the first generation. A friend of mine has a original 356 speedster and he feels my generation Spyder is closest in comparison to his car.
just wanted to buy 2 porche 718s, thanks for changing my mind.
and it's a manual transmission - well done porshe - looks like an amazing weekend driver
Hey Sam!! Agree look great and fantastic spec! That’s how I would have one if I had the money!
I haven't driven the 718 Spyder yet but spent a decent amount of time in a 981 Boxster Spyder, and I agree with Sam on this. It does have the long gearing as well, but I really enjoyed that car even at slow speeds. It crackles and burbles, and is just fun and enjoyable to cruise in. I think the 718 Spyder looks fantastic and applaud Porsche for still making it in this day and age, and frankly I don't think there's much for sale now that will match that experience at that price point. But in my mind, I'd find a really good 981 Boxster Spyder at 70k-ish and pocket the rest.
981spyders go for over $100k now. I got mine in 2019 for $89.5k.
Love the title . . . I have all my life to watch this video.
What i needed in just in time 👍👍
It’s seriously weird seeing you like Porsches now when I come back to your channel after all this time Lol, love the content 👍🏼
Haha we all change over time :) Thanks for coming back
But he didn't like this Porsche
I guess you should just install the new full tuned exhaust without the OPF, and the feeling will be changed completely
I prefer the long gearing. It allows me to just drive around town in 2nd gear all day long.
Got the 981 spyder and I personally would not change it just for a stiffer ride all the time , if I want that type of ride , I just press the sport+ button . But the sound track of the the 981 engine is to die for !! !!! So much better than the 718 !!!!
Yes! I often marvel that this loud exhaust is actually OEM. It’s that good.
Great piece of kit. Gorgeous.
But agree, the 981 generation is still very special.
Absolutely love the looks myself. Gorgeous for its price.
Finally a boxster I like the looks of
Great video, thank you!
I have the 981 Spyder with race headers and a tune and that erases the gear issues.
don't get your problem with the gears, with this HP the long gears are just perfect
Exactly! I don’t find them to be a problem either.
Bits inside by René Rebe you are forgetting its NA. High powered turbo cars are fine with long gears. In this, it really ruins the experience
julien grandmougin No it doesn’t. This car has a 4 litre engine so enough torque from low end. And I can say that lol because I’ve driven it multiple times. You however? ..
Love that review for your honesty, ive crossed it off my list now ! I find Porsche a bit dull anyway and if you like them and say its a bit meh, then its not for me. Great channel, keep it up. Thanks
That feeling when all you want is a nice drive and everything is stopping you 😡😡
That was not my day! Beautiful weather... soooo much traffic!
@@seenthroughglass Those Surrey roads always a nightmare! Live just around where you filmed.
Nice vid again Sam. I am actually glad that one UA-camr has now actually said the new 992 Turbo S (is mental and quick etc.) and this Spyder or Coupe 718 GT4 (is a brilliant drive) BUT are becoming boring after a small period of ownership. Its not just the sound but they are becoming too everyday cars which is probably for the market as the majority of the owners will be senior in age and not drive these machines anywhere near their limits. WIll the GT4RS variant of the 718 due next year perhaps be different? OR will the sound again be a major factor? I for one will be chopping in my 718 GTS 2.5 (thanks porsche with the release of the N/A) for a GT3 991.2, if I can make the numbers add up. In my opinion, if you want a proper porsche then this really is the sweet spot.
Love the Spyder. Those wheels are spot on.
This spec and the Spyder combination is just insanely good looking, the absolute perfect summer car and when the PDK is an option, it would be superb
ATKL 2617 PDK kills 30% of the engagement -
@@newforestspyder2224 For every day driving with hideous traffic PDK is still much better even though the manual is fun.
Agree with you...if you want the ultimate Boxter / Cayman, it has to be gen 981. Sound awesome, slightly prettier, full of character.
718 spyder is prettier and drives better than the 981. The only thing it needs is an exhaust - just like every other new car nowadays.
Max X
It's not pretier. Rear end and lights look much plainer, actually seems older...whilst I agree the steering is sharper on 718, Without removing PPF's completely, it will never match 981 for sound. Spit and crackle unmatched!
You’ll always have to mod/tune a 718 or Cayman yourself to compensate for Porsche’s sandbagging to protect the 911.
A new exhaust and gearbox mod are totally worth the cost, and it’s one of the few cars where you’ll recoup a lot of the money spent on modding upon resale as everyone knows they’re essential.
When set up properly, this is as good as anything on public roads. I’ll definitely look at a lightly used one next year.
Here’s me driving my 15 year old Mini Cooper at ten tenths on some sweet B roads today and come home to watch this, I can dream I suppose...
Ye I was gonna buy one but I Guess I will stick with my 2007 rolls Royce phantom
1:24 scale btw
Anyone else think this looks STUNNING
Matthew Collyer yep
Looks so good! Sounds okay. Storage for such a car is quite good. Amazing spec! One problem tho...
I can’t afford it :c
Stunning spec, stunning car. Different exhaust and shorter gear ratios and this would be perfect!