Genetically Accurate Warrior Cats #1 - Firestar's Family
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2021
- i am very low effort so dont expect anything dazzling :)
not much to say that isnt said in the video! I'm doing a little passion project and making some genetically accurate warrior cats, but for real. I'm sure plenty have done this before me. my editing skills are also p basic so be nice lol. also dont start fighting over cat genetics if i get something wrong lmao
Cats in this Video:
Crystal
Jake
Quince, Nutmeg
Scourge
Ruby, Socks
Firestar
Princess
Tommy, Filou, Luna
Sandstorm
Squirrelflight
Leafpool
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I _love_ that you decided to actually dive into the entire family trees; Thank You!!! 👏👏🥰 💜💜
You have mad-respect from me - as someone who has also been gradually doing the same, myself, (just out of casual curiosity) over the last several months ever since seeing the vid by KiwiQueen 13. ^-^
(And I kinda completely *adore* the ways that YOUR designs turned out for all the cats here!! They look _GREAT;_ and I had a lot of fun watching this.👏👏💜 Well done!)
*However,* I feel as if it should be pointed out that _all_ colorpoint cats (whether specifically Siamese breed cats or not) actually ARE partially-albino cats.
Because... That is what colorpointing is - a temperature sensitive partial albinism. 🙂
The albinism is activated by warmer temperatures to switch the production of pigmentation off, but deactivated by cooler temperatures allowing pigmentation to be produced, resulting in dark ‘points’ with lighter coloring on other areas of the body that stay naturally warmer than those darkly colored extremities do; kind of like how a human person’s hands or feet & noses tend to get cold before the rest of their body will too.
(The colorpoint and albino genes are actually coded for at the same loci; meaning that they are actually known as alleles, or different versions of the same gene, rather than actually being completely separate genes altogether.)
If a cat has 1 copy of the gene-version for full-albinism from one parent and 1 copy of the gene-version for colorpointing from the other parent...they will still be colorpoint, but carrying full-albinism without showing it, yet _might_ be slightly more lightly colored overall than if they had 2 copies of the colorpoint gene.
There are also two other similar but different partial-albinism gene alleles other than colorpointing & full-albinism, which are also coded for at the same loci as colorpointing & full-albinism is: Sepia (best exemplified by looking at Burmese breed cats although much like colorpointing it is also not exclusively or only found in Burmese breed cats) and Mocha (a much more newly discovered version of partial-albinism first found in a number of common random-bred [feral ]cats from Thailand much the same as colorpointing & sepia originally were also that looks kind of like a "light sepia" type of coloring) - both of which are also dominant over full-albinism if heterozygously inherited together (just like colorpointing is) AND also co-dominant with each other as well as with colorpoint (showing varying degrees of partial albinism intermediately between whichever 2 types of albinism &/or partial-albinism a cat heterozygously carries together unless the cat has 2 copies of the same version) but Recessive to pretty-much all other coloring & pattern genes(meaning that a cat will NOT be albino, colorpoint, sepia, or mocha at all but will carry it without showing it if that cat only got 1 copy of any one of those genes by its lone self without _either_ also getting another copy of the same version _or_ also getting a copy of any one of the other versions as well instead; but a cat will ONLY have full-albinism if they got 2 copies specifically of the full-albinism version).
And Dominant-white cats actually CAN have eyes of _any_ color, sometimes even with either heterochromia (aka “odd-eye” or two mismatched / differently colored eyes) OR dichroism (which is when there are both some areas of blue color AND some other-colored areas together within either one or both of a cat's eyes), because typically blue eyes are basically akin to just having white-ness in all or part of their eye(s) .. it's really only pedigreed cats of specific breeds who have been selectively bred to limit their eyes exclusively to certain colors &/or to very specific shades of color(s).
(Although blue eyes could also be caused by partial or full albinism as well, kinda like how full-albinism causes fur that looks white too, except that albinism never produces odd-eye heterochromia or dichroism though a cat could have both albinism & a White-ness gene which could do so; and partial albinism like colorpointing can produce either blue eyes or aqua colored eyes with an intermediate coloring between blue and green-UNLESS it is specifically the Sepia version of partial albinism, which almost always if not always leaves the eyes colored totally normally.)
Random-bred cats usually have green eyes, or green eyes mixed with a bit of yellow &/or amber in them(Although plenty of random-bred cats do have yellow or amber colored eyes instead[, occasionally even so dark amber it's almost-brown]..sometimes intermingled together &/or with green). A random-bred cat of just about any eye color often can have kittens that could have the same eye color of eyes or just about any other eye color as well. And cats with blue eyes genetically carry and pass on whatever not-blue color(s) they have inherited from their parents-since blue eyes are not really technically an eye color all its own, just like white is either a lack of pigmentation altogether thanks to albinism or it's White-ness masking over the other fur color(s). Orange colored eyes is actually the rarest shade of cat eye color, and not that often seen at all outside of pedigreed cat breeds who have been selectively bred specifically to achieve it.
A ginger colored cat is no more or less likely to have any color of eyes than any other [not-ginger ]colored cat is. But solid-colored cats with no White-ness on them, or non-ginger tabbies with no White-ness, are _extremely unlikely_ to have blue eyes, although even that can and does still occasionally happen from time to time.
But it's totally okay to pretty much just ignore eyes altogether though; because the actual genetics that code for cat eye color(s) are much more complex and much less clearly or well-understood than the genetics for coat colors and patterns are-and most cats can have kittens with such a wide variety of different colors/shades.😊💖😁 Lol 😆
That is a lot of typing for a youtube comment 0-0
BUT IT'S SO INTERESTING
@@pilotlynx3333 aw- .. Thank you! ? 😊 Lol
Glad some people find it as interesting as I do.
How did you type this
@@NerdyUnicorns 🤣 I dunno 🤷♀️🤷♀️ I just started typing, I guess.
@@jaginaiaelectrizs6341 how do u have that much patience? I just did a bunch of heart faces XD
Well, Firestar is now dirtstar, And dirt will save the clan.
PFFF-
“Dirt will snuff out the Tiger’s flame”
Lol
@@0gammag0 I like this one
"Dirt alone will send the tiger to bath time.."
*Now I'm just realizing, Millie and Graystripe had a brown and calico child even though they're both grey cats.*
Millie’s gray? I kinda thought she was pink because of the manga lol
Millie you have some explaining to do
Shellheart and Rainflower as well oop-
@@LeafeonTheCat IMAO 😂😭
@@birdsbirdsandmorebirds6251 fellow birb
Fun fact, cats cant see red, *redtail has 2 huge reasons why he cant exist*
(Goodlird please ignore this comment its old from when i was incredibly cynical about genetics as it was my hyperfixation aughh)
His tail is air ha
@@Snow_Sailor no it’s just probably an odd shade of brown to the cats.
@@morningrosie3684 ik that's most likely how the others see him but imagining redtail's tail as a pile of air that's somehow touchable and it has more weight than normal air is weirdly funny to me for some reason
Personification
Rosetail “am I a joke to you?
I'm sorry, but I'm a huge genetics geek, and just wanted to let you know that firestar doesn't need to have white and can still pass it on to his kits. See if the white is a ressesive trait, he can carry the trait but it will not be phiscally shown, and if sandstorm had the same resessive trait, it is possible for leafpool and squirrel flight to have white on them, and pass it on to their kits. I'm not trying to make you feel like your designs are bad, but just informing you since you didn't know. have a good day!
white spotting and dominant white are both dominant genes, so he would need to have white spotting for it to be passed down, unless it's autosomal dominance like with the dilution gene. at least, that's what I've always been told/read ^w^ but it would be possible for Fire to have white spotting but not obviously show it, if that's what you mean
yeah, i just realized something else, if the other color gene is dominant, it might show over the white gene so it is still a dominant gene, it just isnt shown because the other color is dominant which would make his kits eligible for the white gene, sorry for this, im just a big genetics geek
@@Topazpaws the white shows over/with the other color genes? like, if the cat is ginger or black or brown, the white spotting shows over it. Like a black cat with a white underbelly or a ginger cat with white patches. both the color and white spotting are shown. and no worries, i love genetics too lol
This statement is true, but its rare for a cat to have no white and pass it on to their kits.
if you're a huge genetics geek, you'd know that white is dominant over every other gene. no hate to you obviously, but just informing you since you didn't know. have a good day!
At this point I feel like everybody is related to Firestar
He probably is cause he's like related to like so much cats
He inherited Jake’s ability to father everyone
@@crowblossom06 so Jake is Zues?
@@crowblossom06 💀💀💀💀
His father was a hamster and his mother smelt of elderberries
if every cat was genetically correct, we would have "Tortie Clan" as a canon clan
I’ll make it
Judging that most she-cats are already torties, the genetically accurate she-cats mostly being torties increases It.
I kinda want to do one of these, but I think I'd prioritize first series main series cat designs over the 'top' of the tree. Hence I'd probably make Nutmeg a tortoishell so Firestar could be a ginger.
That'd be just as cool to see!!!
@@LollingCatto It’s genetically possible for a cat to be ginger if it’s father is ginger and it’s mother is brown. The fathers genetics are always stronger. And my cat had kittens with a ginger and none of her relatives had ginger and the father was ginger and so was a male kitten
@@Sinkoe. I’m pretty sure it’s possible but, very rare (I think)
@@Sinkoe. actually, it's not that either parents genetics are "stronger," it's that red is a sex-linked color. So a female's genetics could be X(O)X(O) while a male's would be X(O)Y(-), with the O indicating red/orange/ginger. Male's pass on the Y to their male offspring, which contains no red gene on it. Females pass on their X, which can contain the red gene on it, so males can only ever get the red color from their mother
@@Sinkoe. Yeah uh, that's not true.. are you sure the kitten wasn't cinnamon? Cinnamon is a variant of black, but looks similar to ginger.
As someone who has been out of the Warriors community for a long time, Firestar and Scourge being half-brothers is blowing my mind.
Yeah, same lol. I'd be curious how long ago was the last time that any of us actually read any of the books.
We still think about the stories, but actually reading the newer books...? For me, it must have been 2012 since the last time I read a Warriors book. (Heheh, that was around the time my rats ate the last of my Erin Hunter books. I think it was Bluestar's Prophecy. They ate my Seekers books long before then.) I feel like most Warriors fans nowadays just get their info from the wiki, or second-hand from UA-cam.
I’ve just started reading them again haha
I gave up pretty soon after Fire died. It just felt like weird fanfiction.
@@songbird6414 I got maybe two books into Dawn of the Clans before losing interest. I get what you mean though.
@@Moonlitnight111 actually I loved Dawn of the Clans, but the beginning of that arc genuinely sucked. I stopped pretty soon into Twigpaw and Violetpaw’s story(don’t remember the name of the arc). I’ve heard a tiny bit about Bristlefrost and her trials, and I’ve seen the blurb for Frostpaw, Flamepaw, and Sunbeam. It all sounds stupid to be honest.
Sandstorm having "noob" in her unprofessional genetic code is so fitting
Cool designs, and let's take a moment to appreciate that Jake's collar is the Bi flag, that was a real clever move there
It's a canon design
It’s from the wiki
*Franticly loads up Wiki to see*
*His cannon collar is the bi flag which is epic*
the wiki sprite makers are gay as fuck 💜
im pretty sure fury has the lesbian flag as a collar!
So unless leafpool is a "caramelized" dilute, she wouldn't be brown. She'd have to be brown with ginger, or grey with cream.
You know what stands out to me about genetics in the Warrior Cats series? Based on the variety of colors and patterns among the forest cats, I'm pretty sure they're mostly or entirely descended from escaped domestic cats.
You see, being a domesticated animal vs. a wild one is actually a genetic difference, not just a behavioral one. Think of the physical differences between dogs and wolves - technically the same species, but there are some noticeable physical differences that come from domestication. Now, if the forest cats are indeed pure-blooded wild cats, they'd be European wildcats (Felis silvestris) - but the problem with that is, European wildcats have hardly any variation in their color and pattern. They're universally brown to grey and universally tabby, generally not with patches of white or anything.
Now in the Warriors series, we have cats that are black, white, black and white, ginger, pale ginger, brown gray, gray-blue, with stripes, with solid colors, with patches and spots and tortoiseshell patterns... basically the same variety you'd expect to see in a group of domestic housecats. Some of these cats might be pure European wildcats - Tigerstar for example doesn't have anything that would look out of place on a wildcat - but the majority of them are probably descended from housecats (or kittypets) that escaped into the forest to start living the forest life. Even in Tigerstar's case, he probably has some kittypet in his family tree if he comes from the same stock as the other forest cats. (Disclaimer: I've only read through the Warriors series so far with no supplemental materials, so IDK if the author has talked about the origin of the forest cats or Tigerstar's family tree. I'm just going off of my knowledge of animal domestication.)
TL;DR Everytime Darkstripe gives Firestar shit for being a 'kittypet' I want to slap him upside the head and say "Shut up, you're all kittypets!!!"
That's always been my assumption too! Before I read/knew about Dawn of the Clans/Jayfeather's time travelling shenanigans, I always thought the clan cats were originally escaped kittypets/street strays who went to live in the wild forests since they lived right next to a Twolegplace, now I'm less certain, but it doesn't exactly erase the possibility of it being true. And, yes, the authors definitely didn't think about the origin of the forest cats' that much, seeing as they didn't even consider cat genetics XD
It's probably more of a purity of wild blood, tigerstar for example is a descendent of ancient skyclan, and darkstripe is his cousin, so he is as well, but yes, eventually there will be a kittypet in their family.
I thought it was pretty obvious they are feral cats. When people say "cats" they generally do mean the species we keep as pets anyway, and when people are talking about wildcats, they usually specify the species instead of just saying "cat".
Being descendants of domestic cats also matches with their social behavior, since most species of wild cats are solitary. The color variety isn't just a cats-only thing, there pretty much is not a single wild species that has the amount of color variations we humans breed for in our pets. Usually there is a single coat type that is most beneficial in a certain niche, so that's the one that all animals of that species will have. Exceptions being sexual dimorphism, in which case there are two color varieties within a species, because the males look different from the females. Although when the gene pool becomes small enough to result in a lot of inbreeding, you might see a single recessive mutation pop up in a population, like the color of a king cheetah, or white lions. (Yes, those are the result of inbreeding.)
That's actually obvious.
They aren't wildcats, they are just feral cats prettending be wild lol
After all, there are kittypets mentioned as parents of various now deceased cats. So they're feral, which makes them 'wild'. They're just feral with codes. Rogues are truly feral.
Love these types of videos, really makes you realize just how unrealistic the cats in warriors are, especially with firestar... The Prophecy!
I dont think anyone should expect realism from a book series that involves talking cats, cat heaven and complex murder plots
@@geministrial950 hold the phone, you're telling me the whole Prophecy never actually happened in real life! In all seriousness though, yes, you're right, but cats are real, so it's kinda strange the authors completely ignored basic cat biology.
Not too unrealistic when you consider recessive genes which are genes that aren't displayed but can be passed on! Such as how my dad has black hair and my mum has blonde hair yet I have brown hair because one of them probably had recessive genes for brown hair!
I honestly love Leaf and Squilf's designs much more than the canon! I feel like the black makes it to where it'd be more believable for canon Hollyleaf to be her kit and i think Leaf looks super pretty like she's supposed to be in the books!
I am no expert either, but here are some basic cat genetics I know.
Cat eye colours are not genetic, it just depends on their melanin/pigment levels.
Female cats take a colour from each parent and male cats just take a colour from the mother.
All orange, grey, and brown cats are tabbies, no matter if you can see the stripes or not (unless it is chocolate, cinnamon, or blue fur)
Ooo thats interesting to know for the cat eyes!
But what decides the melanin amounts? Is it environmental, not genetic, cause it's genetics in humans, melanin is produced by melanocytes and the size and distribution of those is genetic in humans as is how active they are, so what makes the melanin in cat eyes if it's not coded for in the DNA?
Really? My mom's friend has a daughter with 2 kittens, and one of them is just solid gray
@@maleighlovesbroadway i have solid gray cats as well as solid brown cats lol. but i think they mean if you look at them from certain angles/lighting they technically have hard-to-see stripes perhaps
@@maleighlovesbroadway I think I've heard it referred to as ghost tabby, don't quote me on that though, but I have a solid pale cream/ginger tom, but if you squint really hard at the tip of his tail you'll see the vaguest ring, and on his forehead this pale nearly impossible to see m.
"You can only be ginger if your mother was ginger"
Squilf: OH SHIIIIIIIIIIT
i love cat biology, these are always so calming to listen to.
1:40 an issue with not including male tortie cats is that you ignored the 1 in 3,000 tortie cats will be male, which may seem like a big number but actually isn’t considering how often and many cats are bred.
While male torties/cali’s are not super common, they’re still more common than chimeras but just have 0 fertility.
Also chimeras are a completely random mutation of two completely different morph/genes embryos combining together, making both sides straight down the middle two different cats. So this isn’t something at all made genetically, so Spider could’ve been a 100% possible cat that looked the way he does, without worrying about genetics. So I think his character should just be left alone because regardless of his family tree/blood line, he’d always have turned out chimera.
I am not going to personally include them, though, because even if they are more common than chimeras, there are some male torties with kits in Warriors, and I can't just have them be infertile. Additionally, they're still technically mutations. I know they're possible and occur in cats, but when doing a punnet square, they're never an option you're going to get because, well: mutation.
@@LollingCatto you could always give the male "torties" somatic mutations or mosiacism. Cats with somatic mutations look like torties but are 100% fertile. All it is is where a cell doesnt activate correctly and when it divides the other cells keep its choice.
Really similar to how actual tortishells work except not sex linked and its not inheritable. Mosiacism can be inheritable but its very funky seeing as its usually a polygene
@@brigetbirbaew yeah, but, like I said, they're not "punnet square-able" which is kind of what I'm going for ^^ the whole no mutations rule. While they are possible, this is a fun project to see what they'd probably look like irl. I feel like it'd make it less fun if I allowed mutations
Those 1 in 3,000 “male” torties are just XXY intersex cats, which is a mutation, no? They said they weren’t going to do mutations.
Edit: Just realizing that this comment was posted 2 years ago 🚶🏾♀️ Oops
Personally when mapped it out I changed it around a little to keep firestar’s mostly canon design, and made Nutmeg a torbie, as well as making sandstorm and leafpool torbies, to keep squilf and the three at least somewhat on base
Honestly this design of Firestar does make sense to why his twoleg owners named him Rusty
I absolutely LOVE that jakes cannon collar is the bi flag
I think bramblestar line goes back to oakstar
It should,tigerstar is his father, and pinestar is tigestar’s father, and oak star is pinestar’s father
So oakstar is bramblestar’s great grandfather
so many stars@@shadowbonboi8784
We can definitely trace Tigerstar's family better than Firestar's since there's less of them to worry about. Oakstar only had three kits, two of which died, which led to Pinestar. Pinestar also only had three kits, two of which died, which led to Tigerstar. Tigerstar had five kits, three of which are dead by now, if I remember correctly, Hawkfrost, Tadpole and Tawnypelt. Bramblestar and Mothwing are his only remaining kits. Bramblestar had four kits, two of which died, leading to Alderheart and Sparkpelt. I know that Sparkpelt had at least three kits, one of which died, (Flickerkit, Finchlight and Nightheart). Did I miss anything?
@@BPJD2004 according to the wiki, Tawnypelt is still alive
I’m sorry, but do I see a bi collar on Jake’s sprite? Whoever made that sprite is my new friend.
Great vid, mate! It’s honestly hard to think about how different the series would be if everyone was genetically correct lol
It's the canon collar of Jake.
Fun fact, THERE'S MORE KITTYPETS WITH PRIDE FLAGS
Who else would always think cats would look like what you’re brain imagined even if you know the books say they’re otherwise?😅 Sunstar for example, he’s a ginger tom, but my brain tells me he’s a longhair fluffy white tom with yellow eyes.
The Rise of Scourge color version includes Ruby being a solid mid-grey, pretty close to what you have for Quince in there.
(I tried to make another comment on this but I included a link to a pic of a page showing her and I think it got spam-detected for the link and auto-deleted F lol it was from DeviantArt though where some person was posting pages with the official art not redraws of canon, Pg 6 shows Ruby clearly a few times. If you're interested in finding it.)
Squilf is so cute!! I love her genetically accurate design
I already watched one of the videos you recommended at the beginning. That's probably how this showed up in my recommended. Great vid! I'll definitely check out your channel!
Ahhh I'm so excited for this series! I loved KiwiQueen's video!
Now firestar looks like a pile of dirt with a white stone on it and three grass Halms on each side ;-;
4:33
I love that you have Jake a bi collar LOL ✨✨
yes! another one of these acurate genetic trees! and your character is soooo cute!
I just got taught cat genetics. thank you
(This is really awesome seeing it with less-random genetics made by warrior cats and actually how they'd look!)
Makes sense why his kitty pet name was “Rusty“
This video was amazing!
SO thankful YT recommended me this series!
I´m so hyped to watch the rest! Nice work!
Awesome job! Great series and interesting designs
I just found your channel and I love it! So underrated ❤️😺
this is perfect! im really fond of this! i am NOT very exp in the world of warriors, but i make OC's, i draw characters based off of other peoples designs, and also play warriorcats games. im really happy you did this video, and i really like it. it seems very right. TOO right... but also, a special thanks to you for the content and some understanding. LY!
ty for reading :3
SL: "Chocolate alone will save our clan...."
BS: "Bro spottedFuck wdym-"
"What the hell is chocolate"
SL: "Bitch I dunno-"
HELP
this is epic bro ! i honestly might draw firestars family tree and then draw it with these genetically accurate designs haha...
princess still looks pretty awesome ngl
I've also been wanting to do a more accurate family tree. I might do it eventually too. Cool on you for doing one of your own!
YES!!! This video was amazing🤩🥳🥰😉❤️
I learned a lot! Ofc I showed my friends who also know about Warriors and they were shocked at how Firestar looked😂😂
Keep making videos like this,cause they are amazing:D😍
6:24 oh my gosh, i have a cat named macaroni too!! She's a tabby but she acts similarly to what you described lol
i remember starting to get into genetics with warriors in 2014; i'd do projects like these constantly, scrapping everything once i make it far enough just to start all over again. the only thing i'm remisced for is that you decided to compact all agouti patterns into mackerel, but it's your project!!! you do what you'd like with it ^^
"Oh, I'm SURE you've seen blah blah blah blah"
Bish you are my official fav channel. Periodt.
I'm not a warrior cats fan, but i like this video! I really like watching videos talking about the genetics and it's cool when it's about fandom characters :D
I feel the "no ginger from dad" is severely wrong. We've had three litters from the same wild cat, a regular black stripe tabby, and my cat, a bright ginger tom, and whatever other cat she tagged with, which are mostly ginger males or silver ones, and we kept a batch that was born in our vents. We KNOW the mother is NOT orange but the possible father's are, we also know that the mother was either a Tortie dilute like the one my asshat brother threw outside which he said he took to the pound, anyway, or the mother was a long fur black cat. We have out of the litter of 6, 1 black slinky long fur, one short fur soft calico with slight white marking, 1 ginger tom, 1 regular black stripe tabby with white marks, and one silver cat( not full silver but not enough peach to be considered molted), and one darker colored but I guess a basic Tortie
Are you saying that the mom was tortoiseshell and not red? Because tortoiseshell is just what you get when a cat has red and black genes. And because it’s on the X chromosome, a cat needs two X chromosomes to have one with red and one with black.
@@lindseylindsey9200 your gonna have to pick a part out. I ain't a elephant so I ain't gonna remember something from a few years ago
@@lindseylindsey9200 if it's the first part, the female was a tabby. Not a tortie. If it's the kittens mother, she was a grey and orange cat that looked like a tortie. Idk what you'd call that but I've been told 100 times it's a tortie dilute
@@KoiSplash-wk5tm A dilute tortoiseshell can pass on black or red basically. Sorry, I’m confused too. As for the first case, it’s possible that some of the kittens were fathered by other strays. I’m sorry, I’m a bit of a mess
@@lindseylindsey9200 I'm not really in the mood to argue over the feline inhabitants where I live. They've all been killed off, someone poisoned my cat that roamed around, and dogs killed a ginger and white 1 year kitten in our yard
Am I the only one who noticed Jake’s collar?
I haven't actually read or really been a part of this fandom for many, many years, but dammit if you haven't entirely caught my interest. Subbed!
I love genetics so much and you did a great job! :0
I may not be the biggest expert either, but I thought that whitespotting level one meant a cat could have the gene without showing it?
im fairly certain that's true! although typically it more means its hard to SEE the white spotting- for example, it might look like a more creamy color or be difficult to tell from a gray/light brown/cream color, such as with my orange cat Tommy. it could also just be a few teeny tiny hairs that get plucked off and never regrow white again! but for this series i like to visually show the white instead of being like "trust me its there guys" lol
@@LollingCatto Didn’t Bluecollor say White spotting Level wasn’t Genetic? Like lv1 and lv3 have a lv9 kit. Or 2 lv8s have a lv1 kit
@@shinesoul7472 not sure - I'd have to rewatch the video. I know it's not genetic as in like, the cats have a specific number for their amount of white spotting they give their kits, but like... A cat with one white patch cannot have a full white kit, I know that, so there is some level of genetics at play
@@LollingCatto no, A pure white can have a white pawsed kit IS what I’m saying
@@LollingCatto Though if Im wrong then Thanks for telling me. Im ‘trying’ to keep my Warrior ocs Genetically possible. Well except Brown and Black, I just made them 2 different color genes, easier for me and gives more design options
Neat video! Also a heads up- this has probably been said many times- but female ginger tabbies are very rare, and the gene can still be transfered from his father, so he could be ginger :D
They are rare! And you know why they're rare? For the same reason the red gene can't be transfered from a male parent to male offspring! Red is a sex-linked gene, meaning it's on the X chromosome, and not on the Y chromosome. Females have XX chromosomes, allowing them to have two colors, while males have XY, causing them to only ever have one color. For offspring to be male, they must receive the Y chromosome from their father, meaning that male offspring will never receive an X chromosome from their father. Therefore, toms will never receive the red gene from their father. It also means ginger she-cats are more rare, as they have three possible combinations- OO for red, Oo for tortie, and oo for no red, while males only have two- O for red, o for no red.
Hi! I would just like to thank you.
this video popped up Jan 2022 in my recommended and i checked out warriors cats and I love this series so much, i'm now on the 4th AVOS book! Thank you!
oh wow!!!! thats amazing!!! im glad you love the series so much!!!
i absolutly adore your video! Deffinettly subing!
This is actually so cool
cat eye colours are wild - you probably already know the white furred/blue-eyed cats being linked to deafness (its the same in double merle dogs and one specific pale horse, so it's very likely linked to some defect caused by melanin content in the hairs of the inner ear) - but there is also a newish mutation thats popped up in cat fanciers of a dominate blue eyes unlinked to coat colour! messybeast is a great source for cat genetics - it's just a personal website but everything is meticulously sourced and has checked out from my admittedly pretty cursory overview.
and, while i know you're favouring first of their lines designs over everything else, nugmeg could theorectically have been a hidden tortie - its a very fancy name for having a very tiny tiny patch of the second colour, some as small as spots on pawpads. it wouldn't contradict her description either.
anyway! i really loved this video! i love genetics, i had a grand old time durring that subject at uni
I saw these videos one at a time, 1 2 3, until I finally gave in seeing the third one lol.
So I'm just gonna throw this in here, Spiderleg doesn’t even 100% need a mutation. He could just be a black cat who's fur is particularly prone to rusting or getting sun bleached. Rusting on black cats usually results in a brownish red very rusty color. When i was growing up my dad had a black barn cat who's belly was constantly rusted. Given we were prone to catching him lounging on his back on the pourch do it makes sense his belly rusted. I personally imagine the Erins just didn't realize rusting wasn’t an actual pattern and one of them met a rusted cat they thought looked cool.
interesting
My cat (who actually just turned 20 yrs old-) looks very much like Ruby! She's a Calico but her and her siblings all look about the same. We adopted her and one of her sisters but her sister looks more like Quince with a white belly.
Just thought I might share. Genetics hurt my brain
Tbh if the genes would be realistic, the series would be very boring and the characters would loose their character.
If a series relies that much on appearances then it must not be well written tbh. You can rely on appearances but still have something unique in their personalities or interests.
@@TuberoseKisser They do descriptions a lot in the books tho so if they all looked the same it'd be a little confusing
@@TuberoseKisser Hit the nail on the head. These books are not well written. We just love them because they're about cats living in clans and having religion.
Nobody can seriously claim that there is any character depth or originality in the plot beyond the first 6 books.
It's such a relief to see a video which is so accurate when it comes to cat genetics.
You put so much effort into this :D Great job ^u^
Fire star could’ve had gotten his flame color from his grandmother crystal because it could be passed down a few generations ps adrianna
because ginger is a dominant gene, not a recessive gene, it cannot be passed down without being presented in those who carry it :)
Actually males can be tortoiseshells but it’s not likely! It definitely depends on how dominant that gene is and the parents.
yep! male torties are a mutation that occurs either via a process called chimera cats, by a cat getting XXY genes, or by faulty/half dilution, they're just super rare!
@@LollingCatto I wasn’t sure if they were a mutation or not, All I knew is there could be male Tortoiseshells! 😂 Thanks for letting me know 😌
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Jake is tinys father, but this isn't surprising, jake is everybody's father. Jake is your father.
0:15 Male torties exist in real life and if two tabbies breed one of their children might be a tortie
And I'm not sure about this, but if I'm right there is no need to have Jake with white spots because if I'm right cats may jump a generation for some details, like if Scourge took the white paw from the grandma
Yep, male torties do exist! But they're mutations caused by one of three things (XXY mutation where male is infertile, chimera cat where two cats become one as zygotes, or half-dilution which is when the dilution messes up). Also... tabbies aka stripes do not determine the colors of cats, so two, for example, brown tabbies, cannot have a tortie kit.
White spotting can be hidden/difficult to see on cats that have a low version of it, yes, but Jake would still technically have the gene for it! I just like to visually represent it so that's easy for everyone to know what a cat has. White spotting is dominant so unlike recessive genes it cant exactly "skip" a generation from grandma to grandson. Jake or his mate would have to have it, even if it wasn't visually present on the cat :)
I'm sorry im ignorant in this subject
I'd like to learn more, that's why I usually click videos like this one!
Btw thank you for answering and explaining it to me :3
@@loafcat6 of course! I'd recommend Blue Collar Den in terms of videos, and Sparrow's Garden in terms of website! (You can also calculate kittens on SG)
@@LollingCatto :0 Thank you so much!
Tbh I think these designs look better than the cannon ones
AHH I LOVE THAT U PUT DAWN OF THE CLANS!! UNDERRATED SERIES TBHH
i like watching these videos while i do my own take on genetically accurate warriors!
i made nutmeg a hidden tortie but it's masked by the white so that firestar could be red
Damn am I glad warriors doesn't follow real cat genetics.
Slight correction:
- A cat can carry white spotting but not express it
- two low grade white spotting cats, can in fact pop out a solid white. Its uncommon and its more likely to range in the low grade to mid grade range.
- Fawn and cinnamon are technically shades of brown, so there's four shades of brown lol
Edit: eyes are simple, blue are the only ones that are 100% guaranteed for cats that have the colorpoint gene, and cats with high grade white can have them. Its more likely a cat that has the dilution gene to have green eyes but its not guaranteed, every other color can honestly pop out randomly even if both parents don't have that eye color :)
-Yes and no! It's just not easily seen white. My two cats have "hidden white"! It's typically just a few hairs or can appear creamy because of the other colors interacting with the white around it. But the white is still on them somewhere. Just "hidden"!
-I'm sure it's not impossible, but since it's not all that common, I prefer not to use it ^^
-That depends. Chocolate is brown, but it's dilution, lilac, tends to be more gray. I've heard it can appear brownish though. But cinnamon and it's dilute fawn are definitely brown! But if you add caramelization to the mix I think you can get at least two more shades of brown? Uncertain
White spotting cats with low white can theoretically produce a mostly white or fully white cat, as Wsw x Wsw can produce WsWs and make a high white cat- which gives a 50% - 100% white spotting.
Firestars fam tree (I THINK MOST OF IT):
Crystal (grandmother)
Jake + quince = ruby, scourge, socks
Jake + nutmeg = firestar (rusty), princess, tommy, filou, luna
Princess + Oliver = cloudtail, Livy, Zach, Taylor, Nami
Firestar + sandstorm = squirrelflight + leafpool
Squirrelflight + bramblestar (claw) = Sparkpelt, alderheart, dandelionkit
Leafpool + Crow’Feather = jayfeather, lionblaze, hollyleaf
Cloudtail + brightheart = whitewing
Whitewing + birchfall = Ivypool, dovewing
Lionblaze + cinderheart = flywhisker, snaptooth, spotfur
Spotfur + ?? = ???
Jayfeather + stick??????😦😦😦😦😦😱 (JOKE)
Ivypool + ? = Bristlefrost, thriftear, flipclaw
Bristlefrost + rootspring = ❌
Dovewing + tigerheart = ❌❔
Bramblestars family at 10 likes🫳🫴
Spotfur + stemleaf = Bristlekit, Stemkit,Graykit
Ivypool+ fernsong = Thriftear, Bristlefrost,flipclaw
Dovewing+ Tigerstar = Shadowsight,Lightleap,Pouncestep
*Jake's collar is the bi flag*
yes, yes it is XD it was that on the official Wiki and i had to pause and smile when i realized that!
.... no
Man who knew that Cat genetics had such a dedicated fandom?
I know that buff cats are like a pattern or genetics thing but I always imagine it as like…six pack abs. Buff cats=stronk.
Consider, to all your sad redtail lovers. Redtail Trans
I like this headcanon
Excited for this series!
This is so cool! Very good work
hiiii i got inspired by this series and made my own project as well
Squirrelflight’s design and Leafpool’s design is so pretty!!!
ginger females who aren't patched are very rare and generally have mainly a cream base or more towards a brownishh from what I've seen
The first time I watched this…I remember that I haven’t even finished the second series, so I had NO IDEA any of the characters you mentioned, but guess what? I didn’t even take notice to the spoilers at all. I didn’t even know they were there!
Now I am done with the series, and just trying to get a starless clan which I might get at the time this comment to my comment is sent
When you did socks, i suddenly got flashbacks of my cousins cat, who looked just like socks, and somehow, their cat was also named socks!
(Also my cousins cat socks was female but idk what happened to her when my cousin moved away)
Wow omg i loved it and ur art was soo cool aand pretty
thank you for tortie ruby! and i also really like the fact that it's dilute
If firestar was genetically accurate in the series then he couldnt even be the cat in the prophecy lol
Well, Jake.
This is so awesome to see!
I am not a fan of the Warriors, but I am super into these 'Genetically Accurate' videos
this is such a nerdy cat genetics video. sends me back to when i did warrior cats rp lol
My AD(H)D self thanks you for making these videos. After watching Blue Collars videos I was wanting to do this very thing, but I know I would never get to it 😂
7:22 this is flame colored, its seen as a muted ginger, so yes it is technically a brown but its the canon design, in the "sunset" book from tnp, he is only really orange because pf the sunset around him, so yes it is really canon exept for the white spotting, (ps he is also described as a tabby in one of the books, "handsom ginger tabby tom" unless its a mendela effect.)
I’m glad I checked out a periodic table book instead of one of these yesterday...
That's so cool- I've been studying the periodic table!
…oh please.
*I saw a black cat with a Siamese kitten.*
*AMATEUR*
black cats can have siamese kittens! they're likely carrying the colorpoint gene, as it is recessive :)
@@LollingCatto oh! Alright :)
i really like this series
How you make look is Squirrelflight so cool! ☺️
Thank you. You’ve taught me a lot about cats.