TBH I always thought Sparkpelt should be a tortie because when I think of “sparks”, I picture bright sparks against a dark background, so it would be a perfect name for a mostly black tortoiseshell with the flecks of orange looking like sparks! I just think it’d be a really pretty design
I love how you find a nice balance between genetically accurate and stylized with the subtle spots and such to make each cat more distinct for each other.
Yes! I would love to see that! Now I just want a video explaining the entire thing and ranting about it for a good twenty or so minutes (maybe more, maybe less, but I still want to see it!)
StarClan giving Hawkfrost a second/third (idk he is kinda super dead at this point) chance is really interesting. And what if Dandelion is kinda obsessed with StarClan and is always pestering big bro Jay about having signs from them. Wait now i want Dandelion to become Jay's apprentice with Juniper becoming a respectable warrior. Random possible Warrior/Med names for Dandelion and Juniper because I am bored: Dandelionstorm Dandelionfur Dandelionfall Dandelionpath Dandelionwish (Love this one) Dandelionleaf Dandelionlight Dandelionstripe (I kinda like this) Juniperfrost Junipersplash Juniperstream Junipercloud (My Favorite) Juniperclaw Juniperchaser Juniperpelt (I like this as well) Your faves? Other name ideas?
YAASSSS!!!😁🤭🤭 I was *hoping* that _someone_ else had already commented this-me too! 💜 (Has there been one already, that I've missed?) ^--^ 😆 Lol^-^ I was totally just like, "Wait, no- DON'T STOP TALKING ABOUT IT", I'd totally _love_ to hear more on that idea ^^ A whole fic or something could be written about it if they wanted, and I would be cool with that too Lol
Can't wait to see what nightmares the cats like Ferncloud and Snowbird will be considering their multiple litters, most of which I'm almost certain aren't possible (looking at Fox and Ice especially)
I added the sprites after a suggestion from someone who didn't read/remember Warriors! I thought it was a great idea. And we'll see who's next! Bluestar definitely seems more popular :)
-pushes the accidental nepotism Windclan family that is TallStar’s family tree- Just say its in the works and I am good. Also hey, tuxedos kittys, unless Palebird has named parents/older family members that I don’t know. Time to rush to the Wiki to see how Brocken and Tiger the 2nd cross
For any wondering, BrokenTail and RowanClaw are First cousins. The Dads were Littermates. This also means Russetfur was Rowan’s half-Aunt. Part of me wonders, I don’t recall if Ragged or his Mom had stripes and if not then Rowanclaw’s Mom is the last chance we have to get A tiger Tiger-clone(depending on who was Dawn’s mate). Also, will YellowFang’s family also be done in the same video? As her siblings did have kids(don’t recall which and who or what the kids and mates were but). More just wondering how big of families each video will or can handle. Keep up the fun and educational cat family trees!
@@shinesoul7472 both raggedstar and his mother featherstorm are dark brown tabbies. Rowanclaw's mother is a black cat(so rowanclaw sure as heck isn't going to be ginger).
@@SuperBowl59Kiriko (True! Unless she happened to be a cryptic tortie.. or if someone was carrying a Carnelian gene or two, or something. But LollingCatto doesn't really make use of cryptic torties or hidden-white-spotting for these videos, and I can totally respect that. ^-^)
It actually makes sense for Sparkpelt to be a tortie since I think cannoically she has two tortie kits, one of them I think it's flickerkit whose a male and a tortie, and one black kit, Flamepaw. Also does Pinestar need to get the tabby gene from his mother to be accurate? Since both Pinestar and Oakstar, I believe Birchface as well, are all tabbies. I'm kinda confused a bit
Pinestar's parents are Oakstar and Sweetbrair. He could get the tabby gene from either parent (the only gender specific gene is the red/ginger gene), BUT neither Oak nor Sweet are tabbies, so Pine is not either. Birchface can be a tabby as his mother is unknown/unconfirmed. He is Pine's half-brother
@@Moon204. male cats can be tortie/calico on very rare occassions but will be infertile, unless they are tortie/calico via chimerism, in which they could be fertile depending on how the embryos merged.
8:57 I heard of an au where Jessie (the kitty pet BramblStar hung out with in BS) and Squilf became mates and raised all four kits together. In that au JuniperKit DOES get the name JuniperFrost, but for DandelionKit I can't recall. Maybe it was DandelionStorm but can't recall.
I'm loving these videos. While I don't mind fantasy colors, it's fun to see how these cats would work in the real world! I prefer the idea of mixing the two, making them realistic, but also having fun and not being super serious about it for the sake of design. 🥰
ikr?? I'm sweating, just _thinking_ about ever trying to do so myself!!!!😅 😹 My hat is completely off to LollingCatto, and others who do - I applaud them 👏👏👏👏👏 💜
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 this makes my genetic nerdy heart so happy!! I may not be a fan of Warriors, but it makes me happy when fans explore the idea of genetically accurate characters.
I really wish the Erins paid more attention to genetics! Although I adore the cannon designs, it would be so cool if we saw Squirrelflight as a tortoiseshell cat and of course all the other cats too! These videos are so cool, I could never have the time and motivation to do this so I just wanna say you're doing very well! I'd love to see more of these :D
TRUE💜 It's funny though, because I actually think they may have paid more attention to real-life cat genetics than they are often given credit for... with some obvious creative license taken though, which either may or may-not have been their own decision(s) OR the decision of the higher-ups that the Erins are writers-for-hire for the Warriors intellectual property of. Lol
Tortie Squirrelflight would be interesting because it’s like even though Firestar and Spottedleaf were never meant to be one of Firestar’s kits looks like Spottedleaf and the other is named after her and is following in her pawsteps. Or something
The gen Wb/wb is the one that makes cats golden solid/golden tabby. Is also on the silver cats but the difference is the gen I, which makes melanin (especially phaeomelanin) suppres.
Oh the fun, not so fun, thing about golden is it's very very likely polygenic. Wb/wb simplifies it into one thing, much like Sp/sp for spotted tabbies, but both are controlled by a sum of several genes! There isn't such a thing as a 'golden solid', but golden tabbies certainly are nifty
@@chinchbug6934 although it COULD be one gene...we have no way of knowing for sure, until the exact gene or genes are correctly identified. Regardless, it is suspected to either be a Recessive trait OR a Semi-dominant(Dominant with a differing expression depending on if it's inherited from both parents or only from just one parent) trait. ^-^ There is also the Sunshine tabby coloring though which HAS been genetically identified, and Sunshine colored cats basically look like a bright gingery/Golden color..but with pink noses; while regular Wb Golden tabbies tend to have a darker/colored rim or liner around their noses. ^^ 😊 Interestingly = Getting both the Sunshine + Silver genes together causes cats who basically look like silver/golden torties even when they aren't genetically tortie at all. (And fascinatingly enough, the Carnelian gene..which makes genetically not-ginger color cats visually LOOK as if they are ginger colored..also has a similar "false-tortie" effect when inherited in combination with the Silver gene as well!💜💜💜)
Cat Genetics are CRAZY complicated, I commend you for attempting this! It's understandable that the Erins didn't really try to understand the genetic (fur color+Eye colors) of cats, it's a bit much even for me.
"Hawkfrost is still a brown cat although like his father he has lost his stripes. He's also lost his white underbelly..." NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
From what I've read around the golden series is still a big unknown officially, but some think that it is related to a series of genes instead of a single one, and one of the genes that are believed to be involved are those of the WideBand. This is the series of genes that modify the colors and markings a cat has, pushing darker colors towards the tip, for example, so a Low WideBand would look darker than a High one as the WideBand would push the colors out, so to say. They make the difference between tabby, smoke, shade and tipped Silvers in general. The higher the WideBand, the brighter the cat. Golden Series are believed to come from Silver Series, Agouti (They have to be agouti because smoke golden result in solid) cats that pass down the WideBand Gene but not the Inhibitor gene (Silver Gene). So a golden would be ii-wbwb, for example, as it is believed to be a recessive trait that also belongs in a spectrum (so there are wb, wb+, wb++). They appear to be silver cats in every way except that without the Inhibitor/Silver gene instead of being pale white or gray they look pale yellow or golden. Their markings however can retain color so you'd still have an orange tabby with red markings only, the base would be golden. The same happens with brown and dilution. That's just the mainstream theory of what the Golden Coat is though! It has been seen in other situations where the Silver genes are still there and they still appear as golden, or even populations of actual wild cats showing signs of the Golden Series throughout a whole colony, without anyone knowing 100% why, so it can totally be possible for a group of cats to develope it naturally, it's just rare because the circumstances have to be very precise (as Silver is not recessive) So in theory: Non-agouti + Wide Band = Solid Colour Non-agouti + Wide Band + dominant Silver = Smoke Pattern Agouti + Wide Band = Golden series Agouti + Wide Band + dominant Silver = Silver series Sorry for the rant! I am just very into cat genetics and while I don't understand the subject completely (I am no biologist as I am no good at math) I find it fascinating to read about it and learn. Hope it was helpful in anyway!
Silver and Golden ARE the same gene in cats! However, it is the inclusion of ANOTHER gene that causes the change from silver to golden. This gene is called the "Inhibitor" gene, though it is actually a set of genes that tend to get talked about as one gene. If a cat has the Inhibitor gene (plus a gene called the Wide Band gene, which most cats to my understanding have), they are silver. If they don't have the Inhibitor gene (plus the Wide Band gene), they are Golden! Messybeast has a better explanation of the genetics if you want to use Silver and Golden in your cats. Love your videos, they always make me really happy to watch! I love seeing people make the family trees accurate :)
High wide band is entirely unnecessary for silver to show actually! Since they're not related, high wide band only makes them lighter/paler As for 'most' cats having it, to get a golden tabby, golden shaded, etc. You do need to specifically breed for it irl, since widebanding is most likely the sum effect of several genes. Most cats will indeed not have particularly high wideband
@@chinchbug6934 No, there are actually multiple different breeds of cats that can have Golden colored tabbies, including some completely random-bred street cats that have on occasion been documented as well! 😊 (it's just more common to see it pop up in certain specific breeds than in other breeds or in random-bred cats, because of selective/intentional breeding for it..or for other things..in specific-Breed/pedigreed cats.🤭😁🤍)
The inhibitor gene IS actually what the Silver gene is called. The wide-banding that causes Golden tabbies was first observed in shaded and chinchilla Silver tabbies, but can also occur in cats that have no silver gened ancestry as well. ^-^ A golden colored tabby is a tabby cat that _has_ inherited (Golden) Wide-banding .. but *_has NOT_* inherited the (Silver) inhibitor gene. Although some people do call the Silver gene "[pheo]melanin inhibitor" or "[pheo]melanin restriction" AND call the (golden) Wide-banding "eumelanin inhibitor" or "eumelanin restriction"-because neither the silver/inhibitor gene nor the golden/widebanding gene has actually been scientifically identified yet, studies are currently ongoing working toward doing so, and that results in there really being only "unofficial" terminology used to describe it which is not always designated uniformly from one person to the next. _Most cats DO NOT have wide-banding. But all tabbies do have hairs that alternate in bands of darker coloring with bands of lighter coloring from their tips to their bases._
*the captions keep getting better and better* “squiff was a brown or black tortilla at the start but whatever i said squelf was now a black tortilla i guess” “means quilt is black now too” “what the heck errands” “dandelion becomes attorney” “shes a cream and light brown torii” “juniper kit was hot frosting” “her grandmother who dined on the journey to find skyclam”
You're gonna do Brokenstar's family? Cool! Especially since Yellowfang's parents are a golden tabby molly and pale ginger tom and she's gray with brown littermates
I love this video and I love the accuracy, I’m really into genes and dna but also don’t forget cats can get genes from grandparents or from your aunts and uncles because your parents could have the gene off but for you it’s on. For example I have freckles but only my aunt and my great grandpa do as well.
3:38 - About Mapleshade, I read online that Calico cats cannot have calico kittens, that nature just goes wild with the kittens' colors. So I believe Patchkit and Larchkit would be the only of her kits to change.
This video gave me the idea for a current Wattpad story of mine. It's basically the same as cannon(In Thunderclan), except Juniperkit and Dandelionkit are still alive, but are assumed to be dead because of a flood that happened(I just needed a reason for why they would be assumed dead, but actually alive, and instead ended up in Riverclan(Since I thought that it would give Juniperkit the most hardship) I hope it was a good idea, since I wanted a way to kill two birds with one stone(Keeping Juniperkit alive, and giving Violateshine a personality)
that sounds like an amazing au!!! they could be assumed dead if it simply took them too long to find them. its unlikely that kits would end up all the way on the other side of the lake territories, so ThunderClan would never even think to ask RiverClan if they've seen their kits, and since RiverClan would never know ThunderClan was missing kits, they'd also end up keeping the kits too!
I have a cat and have always said since he was a kitten (when I first got him) that he looked to be lilac/lavender in certain lights, it's cool to find more out about feline genetics
I made Goldenflower a dilute tortie (Fawn and creme) these two are similar in colour so her design wouldnt be changed much and the creme patches can be styled like flowers. Which made it so Tawny and Bramble can look like their canon designs. I tend to work from child to parent or from 'current important' character to older character. Also things like plot relevant descriptions are ones I fight to keep.
How brokenstar and tigerheart’s family trees intersect: Brokenstar’s father is raggedstar. Raggedstar’s brother is Scorchwind. Rowanclaw is Scorchwind’s son. Tigerheart is Rowanclaw’s son. So they’re first cousins once removed (I think). Also, their tree intersects with Blackstars. (distantly.) basically, the last three leaders of shadowclan were all related.
I like how she said lilac Like on scratch has a game named Warrior cats kit to leader and it's mother Named Lilacpath also it based off Bramblestar leaves the clan and forms a new clan named Brambleclan and Ur gona chose what ur gonna choose to do (the creator is called Mose-shadow )
Yep.. the video says that too. ^-^ .. but LollingCatto didn't really understand how the real-life gene that causes Golden colored tabbies works when they were making these first 4 videos, so for these particular videos "golden" coloring is basically just treated as if it is synonymous to "ginger" coloring; and(because of that) if a cat that is described as being golden in the books doesn't have parents who are described as being ginger, or if they had only grandparents who were described as being not-ginger colored, then cinnamon (and typically diluted cinnamon) is treated as the next closest approximation to golden coloring-just for these videos. Because these videos aren't just fan art of the cats from the books, these videos are a reimagination of the cats from the books but colored how they might have looked if their coloring was inherited the way that real-life cats inherit their colors(even if that means some of the cats look very different from how they look in the books). 🙂
I been needed to find out if TawnyPelt was a white tortoiseshell like SorrelTail or if she is the tan/pale and black tortoiseshell, you answered me, thank you very much (And even tho you made her brown tabby the picture showed me that she is a white tortoiseshell)
As a dumb dumb with 40 ferals forming my 'cat army' and who is a fan of warrior cats, this is very fun to watch, just a bunch of cats looking kinda similar cause if you have an isolated group of cats genetic dictates many of them will look very similar.
I just realized how many leaders are related to Bramblestars family. I thought about Tawnypelt and how many leaders she is related to plus her mate is a leader
Honestly I don’t know how you don’t get crazy confused. Just hearing you talk about it sometimes confuses me. But I’m glad you understand it! Edit: I’m glad Bramblestar got his cannon design! I haven’t read any of the newer books yet but I was wondering why you gave him more scars than Tigerstar before you said anything. So thanks for spoiling that tiny detail (Not sarcasm)!! Also I’m super glad Alderheart keeps his cannon design because he is my favorite cat in Warriors and I always loved his coat.
Ok something is wrong with me. I for some reason thought Mothwing was light blue with white why have I been thinking this like it’s not even possible what the heck is wrong with me
![Lp. Сердце Вселенной #60 РОЖДЕНИЕ ЛОЛОЛОШКИ [Финал] • Майнкрафт](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/YoR0pAV9FVQ/mqdefault.jpg)
TBH I always thought Sparkpelt should be a tortie because when I think of “sparks”, I picture bright sparks against a dark background, so it would be a perfect name for a mostly black tortoiseshell with the flecks of orange looking like sparks! I just think it’d be a really pretty design
True! ^-^
Yes!
Yea
Facts.
I have a tortie oc named Sparktail! Keep in mind, I saw this comment after made her lol.
I love how you find a nice balance between genetically accurate and stylized with the subtle spots and such to make each cat more distinct for each other.
I completely agree! Really glad that someone else commented on it too^-^
OMG THE JUNIPER AND DANDELION AU IS SUCH A COOL IDEA I WOULD LOVE A VIDEO ABOUT THAT
Edit: I didn't expect to get this many likes, thanks guys!
Yes! I would love to see that! Now I just want a video explaining the entire thing and ranting about it for a good twenty or so minutes (maybe more, maybe less, but I still want to see it!)
Off topic kind of, but I’m so mad they were the kits to die, they had the coolest names
(makes a lot of accounts to like this comment over and over)
StarClan giving Hawkfrost a second/third (idk he is kinda super dead at this point) chance is really interesting. And what if Dandelion is kinda obsessed with StarClan and is always pestering big bro Jay about having signs from them. Wait now i want Dandelion to become Jay's apprentice with Juniper becoming a respectable warrior.
Random possible Warrior/Med names for Dandelion and Juniper because I am bored:
Dandelionstorm
Dandelionfur
Dandelionfall
Dandelionpath
Dandelionwish (Love this one)
Dandelionleaf
Dandelionlight
Dandelionstripe (I kinda like this)
Juniperfrost
Junipersplash
Juniperstream
Junipercloud (My Favorite)
Juniperclaw
Juniperchaser
Juniperpelt (I like this as well)
Your faves? Other name ideas?
YAASSSS!!!😁🤭🤭 I was *hoping* that _someone_ else had already commented this-me too! 💜 (Has there been one already, that I've missed?) ^--^ 😆 Lol^-^
I was totally just like, "Wait, no- DON'T STOP TALKING ABOUT IT", I'd totally _love_ to hear more on that idea ^^ A whole fic or something could be written about it if they wanted, and I would be cool with that too Lol
Can't wait to see what nightmares the cats like Ferncloud and Snowbird will be considering their multiple litters, most of which I'm almost certain aren't possible (looking at Fox and Ice especially)
Yea, I’m pretty sure I never knew how Fox had a fox like pelt, while ice had a completely white pelt??
Also! I’d love to see Bluestar’s family tree next!
I really want to see genetically accurate Goosefeather
Same!!
@@twist_ending7545 or a genetically accurate snowfur, bc if we’re being realistic i doubt she’d actually be white with grey ear tips
@@lodgimoss yeah. I agree
The accurate sparkpelt looks SO pretty!
I like how instead of doing my DNA homework I'm watching this.
ooo i like the inclusion of their wiki sprites! being able to see a before-and-after really adds to it.
also bluestar next? 👀👀👀👀
yes please, i’d die to see a genetically accurate bluestar and snowfur
I added the sprites after a suggestion from someone who didn't read/remember Warriors! I thought it was a great idea. And we'll see who's next! Bluestar definitely seems more popular :)
Yo sootfur you watch this too??? Man youre even cooler than i thought...
-pushes the accidental nepotism Windclan family that is TallStar’s family tree-
Just say its in the works and I am good. Also hey, tuxedos kittys, unless Palebird has named parents/older family members that I don’t know.
Time to rush to the Wiki to see how Brocken and Tiger the 2nd cross
For any wondering, BrokenTail and RowanClaw are First cousins. The Dads were Littermates. This also means Russetfur was Rowan’s half-Aunt. Part of me wonders, I don’t recall if Ragged or his Mom had stripes and if not then Rowanclaw’s Mom is the last chance we have to get A tiger Tiger-clone(depending on who was Dawn’s mate).
Also, will YellowFang’s family also be done in the same video? As her siblings did have kids(don’t recall which and who or what the kids and mates were but). More just wondering how big of families each video will or can handle. Keep up the fun and educational cat family trees!
@@shinesoul7472 both raggedstar and his mother featherstorm are dark brown tabbies. Rowanclaw's mother is a black cat(so rowanclaw sure as heck isn't going to be ginger).
@@SuperBowl59Kiriko so Stripes are secure.
Dilute or dark brown Rowan most likely if not just black
Rowanclaw would almost certainly be a black cat considering he's a tom and his mother was a pure black cat.
@@SuperBowl59Kiriko (True! Unless she happened to be a cryptic tortie.. or if someone was carrying a Carnelian gene or two, or something. But LollingCatto doesn't really make use of cryptic torties or hidden-white-spotting for these videos, and I can totally respect that. ^-^)
It actually makes sense for Sparkpelt to be a tortie since I think cannoically she has two tortie kits, one of them I think it's flickerkit whose a male and a tortie, and one black kit, Flamepaw.
Also does Pinestar need to get the tabby gene from his mother to be accurate? Since both Pinestar and Oakstar, I believe Birchface as well, are all tabbies. I'm kinda confused a bit
Pinestar's parents are Oakstar and Sweetbrair. He could get the tabby gene from either parent (the only gender specific gene is the red/ginger gene), BUT neither Oak nor Sweet are tabbies, so Pine is not either. Birchface can be a tabby as his mother is unknown/unconfirmed. He is Pine's half-brother
@@LollingCatto Oakstar is a brown tabby.
Male cats can’t be tortoise shell, at least i don’t think
@@Moon204. male cats can be tortie/calico on very rare occassions but will be infertile, unless they are tortie/calico via chimerism, in which they could be fertile depending on how the embryos merged.
Spark doesn't need to be a tortie for her to have her tortie kits, as her mate, Larksong, was a solid black cat.
Wow! I actually surprisingly like the genetically correct genetics rather then the cannon! Although I still draw them with their cannon designs 😅
"Like his father, *Hawkfrost.* "
I'm still excited to see the entire Graystripe line. However, I'm hyped to see how Brokenstar looks like in these videos
I'm not finish watching the video but I wanted to say that I love your video about warrior cat and I hope you keep posting
Bluestar, Yellowfang, Crookedstar, Tallstar--
Okay I'm just hoping for the next video of this series by now
8:57 I heard of an au where Jessie (the kitty pet BramblStar hung out with in BS) and Squilf became mates and raised all four kits together. In that au JuniperKit DOES get the name JuniperFrost, but for DandelionKit I can't recall. Maybe it was DandelionStorm but can't recall.
the au idea sounds really fascinating and i support this! also i just- [quiet chanting of bluestar]
YES! 💖🤍💜
I'm loving these videos. While I don't mind fantasy colors, it's fun to see how these cats would work in the real world! I prefer the idea of mixing the two, making them realistic, but also having fun and not being super serious about it for the sake of design. 🥰
Imma say it...
I really like Bramblestar.
I'm not ashamed it admit it.
But yay, I love these!!
I think I like more the. . . idea of his character than the actual one if that makes sense?
@@infinitepossibilities2862 Yeah I can see that. To be honest, his character is a little disappointing but I like him regardless.
Yoo, that Juniper and Dandelion AU sounds awesome, I would so read the hell out of that if it were written out one day
SAAAMMEE!!!!!! ^-^ 💜🤍💖💖
Can we appreciate how much time it would take to draw them all, even if they're really simplified? Good job!
ikr?? I'm sweating, just _thinking_ about ever trying to do so myself!!!!😅 😹 My hat is completely off to LollingCatto, and others who do - I applaud them 👏👏👏👏👏 💜
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 this makes my genetic nerdy heart so happy!! I may not be a fan of Warriors, but it makes me happy when fans explore the idea of genetically accurate characters.
I really wish the Erins paid more attention to genetics! Although I adore the cannon designs, it would be so cool if we saw Squirrelflight as a tortoiseshell cat and of course all the other cats too! These videos are so cool, I could never have the time and motivation to do this so I just wanna say you're doing very well! I'd love to see more of these :D
TRUE💜
It's funny though, because I actually think they may have paid more attention to real-life cat genetics than they are often given credit for... with some obvious creative license taken though, which either may or may-not have been their own decision(s) OR the decision of the higher-ups that the Erins are writers-for-hire for the Warriors intellectual property of. Lol
Tortie Squirrelflight would be interesting because it’s like even though Firestar and Spottedleaf were never meant to be one of Firestar’s kits looks like Spottedleaf and the other is named after her and is following in her pawsteps. Or something
I vote do Bluestar’s family next!! She’s one of my favorite characters!!
The gen Wb/wb is the one that makes cats golden solid/golden tabby. Is also on the silver cats but the difference is the gen I, which makes melanin (especially phaeomelanin) suppres.
Oh the fun, not so fun, thing about golden is it's very very likely polygenic. Wb/wb simplifies it into one thing, much like Sp/sp for spotted tabbies, but both are controlled by a sum of several genes!
There isn't such a thing as a 'golden solid', but golden tabbies certainly are nifty
@@chinchbug6934 although it COULD be one gene...we have no way of knowing for sure, until the exact gene or genes are correctly identified.
Regardless, it is suspected to either be a Recessive trait OR a Semi-dominant(Dominant with a differing expression depending on if it's inherited from both parents or only from just one parent) trait. ^-^
There is also the Sunshine tabby coloring though which HAS been genetically identified, and Sunshine colored cats basically look like a bright gingery/Golden color..but with pink noses; while regular Wb Golden tabbies tend to have a darker/colored rim or liner around their noses. ^^ 😊
Interestingly = Getting both the Sunshine + Silver genes together causes cats who basically look like silver/golden torties even when they aren't genetically tortie at all. (And fascinatingly enough, the Carnelian gene..which makes genetically not-ginger color cats visually LOOK as if they are ginger colored..also has a similar "false-tortie" effect when inherited in combination with the Silver gene as well!💜💜💜)
YES THE AU
I LOVE IT
I’d love to see Bluestars family tree or maybe even graystripes, since those two and in my fav characters list
Haven’t read much warrior cats when I was younger, but I do like a good punnet square.
Cat Genetics are CRAZY complicated, I commend you for attempting this!
It's understandable that the Erins didn't really try to understand the genetic (fur color+Eye colors) of cats, it's a bit much even for me.
Oh my gosh, I have an AU like this, All the kits live and they all blame Juniperfrost for all these deaths going on when it’s all Breezepelt’s doing,
BrambleStar’s family is just full of leaders. Oakstar, Pinestar, TigerStar 1, TigerStar 2, and BrambleStar.
Keep this up I luv these!
**INTENSE AND EXITED WAITING FOR FEATHERTAIL AND MAPLESHADE**
Rip Dandelion'Kit you looked like grand sand you are unique sorry you were killed off
"Hawkfrost is still a brown cat although like his father he has lost his stripes. He's also lost his white underbelly..."
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
From what I've read around the golden series is still a big unknown officially, but some think that it is related to a series of genes instead of a single one, and one of the genes that are believed to be involved are those of the WideBand. This is the series of genes that modify the colors and markings a cat has, pushing darker colors towards the tip, for example, so a Low WideBand would look darker than a High one as the WideBand would push the colors out, so to say. They make the difference between tabby, smoke, shade and tipped Silvers in general. The higher the WideBand, the brighter the cat.
Golden Series are believed to come from Silver Series, Agouti (They have to be agouti because smoke golden result in solid) cats that pass down the WideBand Gene but not the Inhibitor gene (Silver Gene).
So a golden would be ii-wbwb, for example, as it is believed to be a recessive trait that also belongs in a spectrum (so there are wb, wb+, wb++).
They appear to be silver cats in every way except that without the Inhibitor/Silver gene instead of being pale white or gray they look pale yellow or golden. Their markings however can retain color so you'd still have an orange tabby with red markings only, the base would be golden. The same happens with brown and dilution.
That's just the mainstream theory of what the Golden Coat is though! It has been seen in other situations where the Silver genes are still there and they still appear as golden, or even populations of actual wild cats showing signs of the Golden Series throughout a whole colony, without anyone knowing 100% why, so it can totally be possible for a group of cats to develope it naturally, it's just rare because the circumstances have to be very precise (as Silver is not recessive)
So in theory:
Non-agouti + Wide Band = Solid Colour
Non-agouti + Wide Band + dominant Silver = Smoke Pattern
Agouti + Wide Band = Golden series
Agouti + Wide Band + dominant Silver = Silver series
Sorry for the rant! I am just very into cat genetics and while I don't understand the subject completely (I am no biologist as I am no good at math) I find it fascinating to read about it and learn. Hope it was helpful in anyway!
That’s exactly how I’ve been doing it! And how it was explained to me.
Squirrelflight is beautiful!
Silver and Golden ARE the same gene in cats! However, it is the inclusion of ANOTHER gene that causes the change from silver to golden. This gene is called the "Inhibitor" gene, though it is actually a set of genes that tend to get talked about as one gene. If a cat has the Inhibitor gene (plus a gene called the Wide Band gene, which most cats to my understanding have), they are silver. If they don't have the Inhibitor gene (plus the Wide Band gene), they are Golden! Messybeast has a better explanation of the genetics if you want to use Silver and Golden in your cats. Love your videos, they always make me really happy to watch! I love seeing people make the family trees accurate :)
High wide band is entirely unnecessary for silver to show actually! Since they're not related, high wide band only makes them lighter/paler
As for 'most' cats having it, to get a golden tabby, golden shaded, etc. You do need to specifically breed for it irl, since widebanding is most likely the sum effect of several genes. Most cats will indeed not have particularly high wideband
@@chinchbug6934 No, there are actually multiple different breeds of cats that can have Golden colored tabbies, including some completely random-bred street cats that have on occasion been documented as well! 😊 (it's just more common to see it pop up in certain specific breeds than in other breeds or in random-bred cats, because of selective/intentional breeding for it..or for other things..in specific-Breed/pedigreed cats.🤭😁🤍)
The inhibitor gene IS actually what the Silver gene is called.
The wide-banding that causes Golden tabbies was first observed in shaded and chinchilla Silver tabbies, but can also occur in cats that have no silver gened ancestry as well. ^-^
A golden colored tabby is a tabby cat that _has_ inherited (Golden) Wide-banding .. but *_has NOT_* inherited the (Silver) inhibitor gene.
Although some people do call the Silver gene "[pheo]melanin inhibitor" or "[pheo]melanin restriction" AND call the (golden) Wide-banding "eumelanin inhibitor" or "eumelanin restriction"-because neither the silver/inhibitor gene nor the golden/widebanding gene has actually been scientifically identified yet, studies are currently ongoing working toward doing so, and that results in there really being only "unofficial" terminology used to describe it which is not always designated uniformly from one person to the next.
_Most cats DO NOT have wide-banding. But all tabbies do have hairs that alternate in bands of darker coloring with bands of lighter coloring from their tips to their bases._
*the captions keep getting better and better*
“squiff was a brown or black tortilla at the start but whatever i said squelf was now a black tortilla i guess”
“means quilt is black now too”
“what the heck errands”
“dandelion becomes attorney”
“shes a cream and light brown torii”
“juniper kit was hot frosting”
“her grandmother who dined on the journey to find skyclam”
🤣🤣 👏
Yes! I love these! Keep it up! ♥️
I love your videos! Keep up the good work 😊
thank you!
You're gonna do Brokenstar's family? Cool!
Especially since Yellowfang's parents are a golden tabby molly and pale ginger tom and she's gray with brown littermates
Me: thinking of Bluestar's family
Video: I'll either do Tigerheart or Brokenstar's family or Bluestars'
Me: :OOOOOO
Omg, this must have taken you sooo long! Thank you so much!
Oh no you de tawnyed the pelt! (This sounds a lot funnier in my head )
dont worry, its still funny! XD
@@LollingCatto it’s so stupid but it’s so funny :,3
YASSSS I WAS WAITING FOR THIS
Yessss! But I was sleeping when this came out :(
OMG Welcome back!! Also they're pronounced Bur*Meez and Sigh*A*Meez. Great work on the video!
That's how I pronounce them in my head- no idea how they sounded when the words left my mouth lol
I love this video and I love the accuracy, I’m really into genes and dna but also don’t forget cats can get genes from grandparents or from your aunts and uncles because your parents could have the gene off but for you it’s on. For example I have freckles but only my aunt and my great grandpa do as well.
i love how dandelionkit's half spot on her eye makes her look like she has eye bags lmao
I love these genetics vids! But make sure not to Limit yourself to what gets popular, do what YOU wanna do!
I love these. I hope u make a new episode! No rush tho :)
3:38 - About Mapleshade, I read online that Calico cats cannot have calico kittens, that nature just goes wild with the kittens' colors. So I believe Patchkit and Larchkit would be the only of her kits to change.
This video gave me the idea for a current Wattpad story of mine. It's basically the same as cannon(In Thunderclan), except Juniperkit and Dandelionkit are still alive, but are assumed to be dead because of a flood that happened(I just needed a reason for why they would be assumed dead, but actually alive, and instead ended up in Riverclan(Since I thought that it would give Juniperkit the most hardship)
I hope it was a good idea, since I wanted a way to kill two birds with one stone(Keeping Juniperkit alive, and giving Violateshine a personality)
that sounds like an amazing au!!! they could be assumed dead if it simply took them too long to find them. its unlikely that kits would end up all the way on the other side of the lake territories, so ThunderClan would never even think to ask RiverClan if they've seen their kits, and since RiverClan would never know ThunderClan was missing kits, they'd also end up keeping the kits too!
*sips water*
I may be on Midnight.. but I cannot stop watching this series..
Female kittens can get ginger fur from their mother and father but male kittens can only get ginger fur from their mother
I love this learning experience
I have a cat and have always said since he was a kitten (when I first got him) that he looked to be lilac/lavender in certain lights, it's cool to find more out about feline genetics
I want to see content of that AU though…
I made Goldenflower a dilute tortie (Fawn and creme) these two are similar in colour so her design wouldnt be changed much and the creme patches can be styled like flowers. Which made it so Tawny and Bramble can look like their canon designs. I tend to work from child to parent or from 'current important' character to older character. Also things like plot relevant descriptions are ones I fight to keep.
personally, i feel like the design here for sparkpelt fits her name a lot better!
I came here for the tawnypelt and the brambleclaw, I'm not disappointed with the Tigerstar clones
YES
at 4:31 yall notice on NightKit and MistKit how it says noob? (Edit: and MistKit)
Blessed by the youtube algorithm thiss dayy
Yuz another episode!!
Now I want to make something about the JuniperKit-HawkFrost theory
"one sweetbriar":D
MAKE THE AU. DO IT. DO IT. DO IT.
YEs I WANTeD ThE BRAMBlE StAr GEnES
How brokenstar and tigerheart’s family trees intersect:
Brokenstar’s father is raggedstar. Raggedstar’s brother is Scorchwind. Rowanclaw is Scorchwind’s son. Tigerheart is Rowanclaw’s son. So they’re first cousins once removed (I think).
Also, their tree intersects with Blackstars. (distantly.) basically, the last three leaders of shadowclan were all related.
Bluestar! bluestar! bluestar! bluestar!
Please do bluestar…
And after that if you have the time I really want you to do SwiftPaw!
man, i really wish juniperkit and dandelionkit survived. i really like their names
I would love to see an accurate yellowfang family tree! 🐱❤️
I like how she said lilac Like on scratch has a game named Warrior cats kit to leader and it's mother Named Lilacpath also it based off Bramblestar leaves the clan and forms a new clan named Brambleclan and Ur gona chose what ur gonna choose to do (the creator is called Mose-shadow )
? I don't have an OC named Lilacpath
I meant when u said lilac
okay but i'm looking back at this now, and i'm sometimes but suddenly seeing chihuaua..
tawnypelt is always described in the book as a golden spotted she-cat. never a Tortie.
Yep.. the video says that too. ^-^ .. but LollingCatto didn't really understand how the real-life gene that causes Golden colored tabbies works when they were making these first 4 videos, so for these particular videos "golden" coloring is basically just treated as if it is synonymous to "ginger" coloring; and(because of that) if a cat that is described as being golden in the books doesn't have parents who are described as being ginger, or if they had only grandparents who were described as being not-ginger colored, then cinnamon (and typically diluted cinnamon) is treated as the next closest approximation to golden coloring-just for these videos. Because these videos aren't just fan art of the cats from the books, these videos are a reimagination of the cats from the books but colored how they might have looked if their coloring was inherited the way that real-life cats inherit their colors(even if that means some of the cats look very different from how they look in the books). 🙂
Gold gene is widebanding
Lmao i also mix up dilution too despite knowing its reccesive
I love the fact that Tigerclaw managed to get two girls-
I really do enjoy these videos
Even though I don't actually know what these characters are from
They're from Warriors by Erin Hunter!
OMG so good!
I love it!
I been needed to find out if TawnyPelt was a white tortoiseshell like SorrelTail or if she is the tan/pale and black tortoiseshell, you answered me, thank you very much
(And even tho you made her brown tabby the picture showed me that she is a white tortoiseshell)
I really need thst juniper and dandelion au noe man I’m invested😔😔
Make Greystripe's family! NO! ACTUALLY! Make Sorreltail's family tree next!
As a dumb dumb with 40 ferals forming my 'cat army' and who is a fan of warrior cats, this is very fun to watch, just a bunch of cats looking kinda similar cause if you have an isolated group of cats genetic dictates many of them will look very similar.
I just realized how many leaders are related to Bramblestars family. I thought about Tawnypelt and how many leaders she is related to plus her mate is a leader
Honestly I don’t know how you don’t get crazy confused. Just hearing you talk about it sometimes confuses me. But I’m glad you understand it!
Edit: I’m glad Bramblestar got his cannon design! I haven’t read any of the newer books yet but I was wondering why you gave him more scars than Tigerstar before you said anything. So thanks for spoiling that tiny detail (Not sarcasm)!! Also I’m super glad Alderheart keeps his cannon design because he is my favorite cat in Warriors and I always loved his coat.
Actual vid: tortoise shell
Subtitles: T O R T I L L A
would love a bluestar family breakdown!
I would like to see Brambleberry’s family
sadly brambleberry has no family members named in the books, so we cant see a genetically accurate brambleberry tree
How did no one know cats can have multiple different fathers😢
i am aware of that! ....but this is Warrior Cats, where cats are stated to have 1 father.
i wanna see bluestars family next
I am obsessed with this series. Do we have permission to draw these designs with credit?
sure!
Idc that I'm spoiling so much of wc for me, I'm addicted
Ok something is wrong with me. I for some reason thought Mothwing was light blue with white why have I been thinking this like it’s not even possible what the heck is wrong with me
Could you please make a video explaining cat genetic!!! Please!!! Please!!! I'm begging u!!!🥺🥺🥺
So cool 😎
Oh gosh Juniper and Dandelion AU *that's* concerning I *really* want that
Genetics are really interesting to me