@@lilyrose1581It was literally the only option if they wanted their daughter to remain as she was, otherwise they would have forcibly turned her into a man killed her
@@ajtian The thing is, this kinda thing happened here on earth. A lot of female writers from the 1700s (and before) to early 1900s had could only submit their writings if it was under a man's name. So, a lot of them had masculine pen names to get around it.
Made me cry and absolutely just marvel at the fact that someone writing a comedy show wrote this absolute poetry. I mean I'm a hermit that used to struggle for many years with intense chronic loneliness, alienation, self hatred and maaany other melancholic thoughts but just sitting there for thousands of hours with your own thoughts and trying to understand your self eventually something just clicks and you learn to love. This shit for me was one of the most beautifully relatable things I have ever heard. I am sure many people would not get it tho.
I truly believe finding yourself in solitude, and when you start loving the time spent alone that is the key to true happiness immune to circumstances or time.
@@nimmuraj I think it means something along the line of “desperation is just another worldly sensation once a person has made peace with themselves through unbiased self reflection”
@@NguyenJake-se3pm it has many readings. Yours is just as valid as mine, which is how the shades and possibilities of the self are so vast that nothing, not even the darkest abyss, can comper to the infinity of ones identity.
I think the entire point is that there is no great difference. But their society insists on "fixing" the small biological/behavioral differences so that there is one gender. It's meant to throw shade at ourselves, with the way we have historically viewed gender. Fundamentally all humans display little sexual dimorphism aside from our reproductive parts. And yet we have spent centuries with the concept of two specific genders. So the point is to show the ridiculousness of it. Why do we care so deeply about enforcing gender, when you could just let everyone be themselves?
There's probably a chemical difference, alongside a genetic difference. My question is, why do female species that don't produce milk keep popping up with breasts?
@@silversamurai0267 pretty sure that in star trek lore there was a precursor race which changed the DNA of all life so if they evolve sentience they become humanoid (since the precursors were humanoids)
@@Momo-zc8ns technically all body modifications are against nature. Even circumcision, earrings, removing appendix, haircuts, dentistry, vasectomy, all surgeries and man made medicine. Cancer and illnesses are natural. Suppressing primal urges is unnatural. In that context, yeah, that's true. Depends on what copium you're taking. Though nature doesn't care what you do to yourself anyway. Everyone's lifespan is limited.
Wow! Tons of people seem to have the inabaility to grasp context in the comments! This is not only about trans individuals, but also intersex people not being allowed to be themselves, but still fighting the good fight to be seen & heard.
Exactly. Intersex people have been quietly suffering for decades now because society refuses to see them as who they are or let them decide who they want to identify as. They'd rather smush them into an identity they may not feel comfortably being as just so their precious world-views don't have to be confronted
@@gracecalis5421 No. People are tired of it being shoved in their faces like it's something of privilege and using it to corrupt and harm those who are not in that spectrum. I see those on the left screaming about those on the right banning books in schools. Yet when pushed to give the details of what those boos are and are about the left seems to not have a single honest word to say and the right seems to have no trouble showing the world exactly what is in those books in order to expose the agenda and lies of the left.
@@deltasquad8817 Moclans doesn't have Democrats. Hell, judging by how Moclans react towards women of their own race (and other women of other races), I'd pinned them as Far-Right rather than Democrats.
This episode draws analogy to the mistreatment of *intersex* people in human society, not just trans people. Humans are mostly a sexually dimorphic species, but there are always exceptions. Intersex babies are forced to undergo sex change operations to conform them as one of the binary sexes, and in many cases, not even the parents are aware. There are 130 million humans living in the world who are intersex genetically, hormonally, and physiology. Some traits are obvious at birth, but many remain hidden until the onset of puberty, medical screenings, or autopsy. Many women and men will live and die without realizing their bodies are intersex in some form.
I watched this show with such low expectations and was pleasantly surprised at how good it was. My daughters would stop and watch a little and ask a ton of questions. I decided to rewatch it with them and allow unlimited questions… it was risky and awkward and even hard, but it was a great way to approach subjects I wouldn’t be good at randomly bringing up. “Why is everyone being mean to Isaac?” “Why are the moclans being mean to that little girl?” “Why does the strong girl (Alara) want to quit?” Love the nonjudgemental curiosity.
I first heard "seth macfarlane" and thought the show was just a star trek parody. And holy crap was i wrong. I never expected the season 1 ending space battle, everything with isaac, and the fact that every moclan centered episode is so powerful. When i finally convinced my friend to watch the show, he straight up thanked me for bugging him to watch it, and he's a guy who never thanked me for his wedding gift even though i was best man.
Mostly because of other world customs I guess it seems like women are more of an earth title and females are more universal but that's a whole other can of worms.
"As a woman, I am happy" Like, why does everyone forget intersex people exist and they can be happier being themselves. Female and male is an spectrum, not a binary rule, lmao.
Not a binary rule? Ah, yes. The million different genders non-sense. Female and male is a binary rule. Amongst the 8 billions of people living on Earth, how many are, in any way, intersex? A mere 200 million? 10? Statistically, intersexuality is not even an outlier anymore, at this point.
@@makokx7063 Being a new sex: crazy, unrealistic, naive, imaginary Being a woman/man: average, boring, unremarkable, beta Being a woman AND a man: Powerful, assertive, mysterious, symbol of status, symbol of wealth, sigma, the dominant gender.
@@gabrielam.7681 trying to compare basic human biology to being unremarkable/boring is extremely unreasonable. What you purpose is very unrealistic and unethical. You are spreading hate and lies to deceive people into fighting each other for useless teachings.
I actually find the gender story In the Orville to be the exact opposite of the trans movement. Kids are born. It are forced to change gender by crazy people in power. Then fight to return to the gender they were born as. Because that is their true self.
@@ForceInEvHorizon They still are regardless of them not getting pregnant. And the guy i replied to was commenting from bad faith and stemmed from culture war bs
This is a misreading of the text of the show on a fundamental level. The issue at play is whether or not someone conforms to the gender and sex standards of their society. The entire transgender community defies these standards with every breathe. This episode was about INTERSEX people. People forced to conform.
@RandomVidsforthought Same can be said for you.... This series is a masterpiece of sci-fi writing cuz it simultaneously makes an argument for both while telling its own thing.
I love it. A perfect lesson on why parents should not encourage or require their child to change sex simply because they "seem" to be attracted to actions of the opposite sex. These evil liberal parents think it is cool to have a trans or queer kid. Let them decide when they are old enough to do so. Love what you are.
This cannot be applied to this made up situation. If to be technical Mochalns don't have malesor females they all are herms, the "female" in question is just a Mochaln with birth defect "she" lacks organs that normal healthy Mochlan should have, like a person born without a leg.
I do love who I am, I am a trans man and I’ve known that I was a man since I was 5 years old. My “evil liberal” parents didn’t support me and still don’t. Most, if not all, parents do not encourage or require their children to change their gender. Trans people receive so much pushback from almost everyone in their lives. But at the end of the day, we are still trans and god created us this way.
Not to be rude, but you seemed like you didn’t know some terms about trans people. Do you have any questions you’d like to ask or terms I can define. Only if you would like.
@@neverland7417 God created you the way you came out of your mother's womb. You should love who you are as you were created. We used to call girls who liked boy things Tomboys or Butch, but they were still girls. Frankly, I don't really care how you want to live your life. Just don't tell me it is good and your proud. Pride is for achievement not just existing. All of this pronoun and gender crap and not being able to define a woman as well as child mutilation and indoctrination and men in women's sports is crazy and it needs to stop. It is plain STUPID. I don't tolerate stupid very well. Keep quiet and the LGBTQ will be fine. Otherwise, it just pisses normal people off and they will fight back.
Just a few years ago, one of my best friends from High School (Class of 1987) came out to my wife as Trans, because She was worried that I, being the most "Conservative" of her friends,would not accept the situation. (To those who ARE intolerant and abusive towards folks different from you... I Hate you. because YOU made my friend afraid of Me.) Her story is interesting, but not mine to tell. Suffice to say, Her parents made a dangerous call to Transition Her to a boy as an INFANT, got it WRONG and caused my friend a Lifetime of problems. Now, to "Parents" that think that Little Timmy should really be Tammy because he picked up a barbie doll, Acting on that... You've got a 99.782% chance of getting that wrong and permanently F***ing up your kid.
@@zachrae1202what about the intersex folk who are forced to be either men or women despite being a combination of both? They usually are never given a choice. Their parents force them to something they are not. This isn’t against transgenderism, it is against forcing children to be something they are not and forcing them to be like everyone else. Should kids be transitioned before 18? No. But intersex kids deserve the same treatment. On top of that, this episode does kinda support transgenderism because Topa uses it to be her true self. It’s all about being who you are, being true to yourself, and parents letting their child choose who they want to be instead of what they want their child to be. Think more in depth next time, please.
"A life in isolation is your shining example?"
What other option was there? They HAD to hide her.
Technically they didn't have to they did have another option they just didn't agree with that one
@@lilyrose1581It was literally the only option if they wanted their daughter to remain as she was, otherwise they would have forcibly turned her into a man killed her
Who else started internally screaming at “why don’t you ask him?”
me i was like oh shit she just droped a nuke on there minds
@@ajtian The thing is, this kinda thing happened here on earth. A lot of female writers from the 1700s (and before) to early 1900s had could only submit their writings if it was under a man's name. So, a lot of them had masculine pen names to get around it.
@@ScornedOne1080 Yeah, actually even J.K.Rowling was originally thought to be a male writer as one of the more recent examples
It's still a nice plot device. I honestly love when something like this is written in.
It's like "OH YEAH?!? WELL TAKE THIS"
@@ScornedOne1080 Whats funny, is that this char's lines were written by a man.
the blackest abyss is a pock in the flesh, when one has gazed in solitude upon the infinity of self
i didn't understand the meaning. pls explain.
Made me cry and absolutely just marvel at the fact that someone writing a comedy show wrote this absolute poetry. I mean I'm a hermit that used to struggle for many years with intense chronic loneliness, alienation, self hatred and maaany other melancholic thoughts but just sitting there for thousands of hours with your own thoughts and trying to understand your self eventually something just clicks and you learn to love. This shit for me was one of the most beautifully relatable things I have ever heard. I am sure many people would not get it tho.
I truly believe finding yourself in solitude, and when you start loving the time spent alone that is the key to true happiness immune to circumstances or time.
@@nimmuraj I think it means something along the line of “desperation is just another worldly sensation once a person has made peace with themselves through unbiased self reflection”
@@NguyenJake-se3pm it has many readings. Yours is just as valid as mine, which is how the shades and possibilities of the self are so vast that nothing, not even the darkest abyss, can comper to the infinity of ones identity.
Omg that’s the mum from once were warriors!!
She still says Happy like that after all these years. I love the Māori accent!!
I thought I recognized her voice!!
I came here to see if it was her.
The staging of the camera - and the theater style dialog. This show is the very spitting image of a main-line Star Trek show from the late 90s :)
Seth McFarlane enjoys the classics
That was a pretty cool reveal tbh now I must watch this 😮
It’s the best modern Star Trek series out there other than Strange New Worlds
Next gen type of show and I love it
I sware i can watch the last half 100 times. It doesnt get old.
actually, what is the difference between a male and female Moclans. since they pretty much lay an egg
Physical dimorphasism - the determining factor is likely in the females through ZW - WW
I think the entire point is that there is no great difference. But their society insists on "fixing" the small biological/behavioral differences so that there is one gender.
It's meant to throw shade at ourselves, with the way we have historically viewed gender. Fundamentally all humans display little sexual dimorphism aside from our reproductive parts. And yet we have spent centuries with the concept of two specific genders.
So the point is to show the ridiculousness of it. Why do we care so deeply about enforcing gender, when you could just let everyone be themselves?
There's probably a chemical difference, alongside a genetic difference.
My question is, why do female species that don't produce milk keep popping up with breasts?
@@silversamurai0267 that's what im saying!
@@silversamurai0267 pretty sure that in star trek lore there was a precursor race which changed the DNA of all life so if they evolve sentience they become humanoid (since the precursors were humanoids)
"they believed to have me altered would be an offence to nature".
I can see why this line might be considered by some to be transphobic.
Because it's true
@@Momo-zc8ns technically all body modifications are against nature. Even circumcision, earrings, removing appendix, haircuts, dentistry, vasectomy, all surgeries and man made medicine. Cancer and illnesses are natural. Suppressing primal urges is unnatural.
In that context, yeah, that's true. Depends on what copium you're taking. Though nature doesn't care what you do to yourself anyway. Everyone's lifespan is limited.
@@Momo-zc8ns smh you and those aliens have something in common. You can't stand the prospect at someone accepting who they are
@@kyletempura748 Why transition into the opposite gender if you accept who you are?
@@Momo-zc8ns oh wait you are saying that it's true it's an offense to nature or are you saying it's true that it is transphobic?
Wow! Tons of people seem to have the inabaility to grasp context in the comments! This is not only about trans individuals, but also intersex people not being allowed to be themselves, but still fighting the good fight to be seen & heard.
Exactly. Intersex people have been quietly suffering for decades now because society refuses to see them as who they are or let them decide who they want to identify as. They'd rather smush them into an identity they may not feel comfortably being as just so their precious world-views don't have to be confronted
_Amen._
Cope 😊
@@buildman126 Cope yourself
@@gracecalis5421 No. People are tired of it being shoved in their faces like it's something of privilege and using it to corrupt and harm those who are not in that spectrum.
I see those on the left screaming about those on the right banning books in schools. Yet when pushed to give the details of what those boos are and are about the left seems to not have a single honest word to say and the right seems to have no trouble showing the world exactly what is in those books in order to expose the agenda and lies of the left.
I was wondering which moclan group was the first to come up with the idea of changing the sex of female moclans.
Their version of incels probably.
Democrats 😂
@@deltasquad8817 Moclans doesn't have Democrats. Hell, judging by how Moclans react towards women of their own race (and other women of other races), I'd pinned them as Far-Right rather than Democrats.
@Plantedaphid07 To be fair, I don't remember any right-wing groups hosting any drag queen story hours 🤷🏽🤷🏽🤷🏽
Wait, the female Moclan was the writer that Moclans revered?!
.. Couldn't get a proper star trek from everyone else, so he made his own... Damn I do need to watch this series
I love this scene... watched it many times... Moclans give some of the best material !
I like haveena ^^
2:42 “would he?”
Translation: “Now listen here you little culturally constipated Klingon wannabe”
Underrated. 😅
🤣 why can I hear that in a southern accent 🤣
@@Nitro89 me hearing it in Sheldon Cooper voice 😭
@@angel_cat well sheldon is from texas so still southern
2:56
That look
“Is my god … she’s telling the truth “
0:51 🤣
I agree it's funny, but he had a point to that douchebag in HIS place
This episode draws analogy to the mistreatment of *intersex* people in human society, not just trans people. Humans are mostly a sexually dimorphic species, but there are always exceptions. Intersex babies are forced to undergo sex change operations to conform them as one of the binary sexes, and in many cases, not even the parents are aware. There are 130 million humans living in the world who are intersex genetically, hormonally, and physiology. Some traits are obvious at birth, but many remain hidden until the onset of puberty, medical screenings, or autopsy. Many women and men will live and die without realizing their bodies are intersex in some form.
I don't even know there are that many intersex people
Depends on if an x chromosome becomes a y.
Wrong on those metrics lmao 😂
Nope. It's about using that stuff to harm children/cognitively limited adults who don't know any better.
It's also for health reasons
What episode is this?
This is the reverse thing of what happen nowdays in our earth
Ngl I didn't like the moclans they are written to great, but knowing their best writer got some ya mean you know that's tough
This would cause a lot of problems now
Is that Rena Owen playing the female moclan?
Yessss.
I watched this show with such low expectations and was pleasantly surprised at how good it was. My daughters would stop and watch a little and ask a ton of questions. I decided to rewatch it with them and allow unlimited questions… it was risky and awkward and even hard, but it was a great way to approach subjects I wouldn’t be good at randomly bringing up. “Why is everyone being mean to Isaac?” “Why are the moclans being mean to that little girl?” “Why does the strong girl (Alara) want to quit?” Love the nonjudgemental curiosity.
I first heard "seth macfarlane" and thought the show was just a star trek parody. And holy crap was i wrong. I never expected the season 1 ending space battle, everything with isaac, and the fact that every moclan centered episode is so powerful. When i finally convinced my friend to watch the show, he straight up thanked me for bugging him to watch it, and he's a guy who never thanked me for his wedding gift even though i was best man.
As "woman"? Do they know that term only applies to human females? 🤦♂️
So why she never said a woman 😂
Mostly because of other world customs I guess it seems like women are more of an earth title and females are more universal but that's a whole other can of worms.
"As a woman, I am happy"
Like, why does everyone forget intersex people exist and they can be happier being themselves.
Female and male is an spectrum, not a binary rule, lmao.
Not a binary rule? Ah, yes. The million different genders non-sense.
Female and male is a binary rule.
Amongst the 8 billions of people living on Earth, how many are, in any way, intersex? A mere 200 million? 10? Statistically, intersexuality is not even an outlier anymore, at this point.
There are testicles and ovaries. Having both or neither does not make you a new sex.
No it's not. There are only males, females and someone whose genetic makeup caused them to have both genders.
Anything other than this 3 is stupid
@@makokx7063
Being a new sex: crazy, unrealistic, naive, imaginary
Being a woman/man: average, boring, unremarkable, beta
Being a woman AND a man: Powerful, assertive, mysterious, symbol of status, symbol of wealth, sigma, the dominant gender.
@@gabrielam.7681 trying to compare basic human biology to being unremarkable/boring is extremely unreasonable.
What you purpose is very unrealistic and unethical.
You are spreading hate and lies to deceive people into fighting each other for useless teachings.
Trans society be like
This shows that Female and Male are always supposed to be bonded together
They are like the gay version of Muslims 😂😂😂
They forcibly turn the females into transexual males.
They are the opposite of Earth bigots, but just as bigoted.
That is kinda the point.
Yo bro wtf?
@@zainismail7703 they are
@@Conservative_crusader can’t see it.
@@zainismail7703 Muslims oppress women and cannot change in any manner and do terrible things
But the moclons just are gay
☪️
This would've been cancelled in 2023
You don't understand the point of the story then
this is one of those dudes who sees an ankle and believes he is going to hell for it
Nigga this show is still running lol.
It's made in 2023
The opposite actually.People today would have LOVED the idea of the female counterparts being risen as heroes.
2023 ... What is a woman?
A miserable little pile of...no, wait, that's a man. Never mind.
I actually find the gender story In the Orville to be the exact opposite of the trans movement. Kids are born. It are forced to change gender by crazy people in power. Then fight to return to the gender they were born as. Because that is their true self.
An adult human that has the ability to produce ova
@@RandomVidsforthoughtso a infertile female isn't called... A woman?
@@ForceInEvHorizon They still are regardless of them not getting pregnant. And the guy i replied to was commenting from bad faith and stemmed from culture war bs
in my mind this is a reflection of modern society and our apparent need to transition poor children who know no better.
Exactly
This episode draws analogy to the mistreatment of intersex people not just the transgender community
This is a misreading of the text of the show on a fundamental level. The issue at play is whether or not someone conforms to the gender and sex standards of their society. The entire transgender community defies these standards with every breathe.
This episode was about INTERSEX people. People forced to conform.
Except it has a child make their wishes and wants very clear and the adults mostly honor that. It's about personal choice and bodily autonomy
@@pattonramming1988 No
But she didn’t learn to shut her mouth…..😂
I bet your parents can say the same about you.
This series know what a woman/female is more than americans.😂😂
Obviously an adult human that can produce ova but you're kinda projecting your own thoughts here cause you're right leaning.
@RandomVidsforthought
Same can be said for you....
This series is a masterpiece of sci-fi writing cuz it simultaneously makes an argument for both while telling its own thing.
I love it. A perfect lesson on why parents should not encourage or require their child to change sex simply because they "seem" to be attracted to actions of the opposite sex. These evil liberal parents think it is cool to have a trans or queer kid. Let them decide when they are old enough to do so. Love what you are.
This cannot be applied to this made up situation. If to be technical Mochalns don't have malesor females they all are herms, the "female" in question is just a Mochaln with birth defect "she" lacks organs that normal healthy Mochlan should have, like a person born without a leg.
I do love who I am, I am a trans man and I’ve known that I was a man since I was 5 years old. My “evil liberal” parents didn’t support me and still don’t. Most, if not all, parents do not encourage or require their children to change their gender. Trans people receive so much pushback from almost everyone in their lives. But at the end of the day, we are still trans and god created us this way.
Not to be rude, but you seemed like you didn’t know some terms about trans people. Do you have any questions you’d like to ask or terms I can define. Only if you would like.
@@neverland7417 God created you the way you came out of your mother's womb. You should love who you are as you were created. We used to call girls who liked boy things Tomboys or Butch, but they were still girls. Frankly, I don't really care how you want to live your life. Just don't tell me it is good and your proud. Pride is for achievement not just existing. All of this pronoun and gender crap and not being able to define a woman as well as child mutilation and indoctrination and men in women's sports is crazy and it needs to stop. It is plain STUPID. I don't tolerate stupid very well. Keep quiet and the LGBTQ will be fine. Otherwise, it just pisses normal people off and they will fight back.
Just a few years ago, one of my best friends from High School (Class of 1987) came out to my wife as Trans, because She was worried that I, being the most "Conservative" of her friends,would not accept the situation.
(To those who ARE intolerant and abusive towards folks different from you... I Hate you. because YOU made my friend afraid of Me.)
Her story is interesting, but not mine to tell.
Suffice to say, Her parents made a dangerous call to Transition Her to a boy as an INFANT, got it WRONG and caused my friend a Lifetime of problems.
Now, to "Parents" that think that Little Timmy should really be Tammy because he picked up a barbie doll, Acting on that... You've got a 99.782% chance of getting that wrong and permanently F***ing up your kid.
An entire species of InCels.
An anti-trans message!
:-O
Woke sci fi 🙄
Kind of a self own for the lib writers, she’s a freak for not being trans. But the writers… thought they were giving us a feminist lesson 😂
You didn’t understand the full message of the story
@@Fazbear-po5mmwell yeah look at his comment he doesn't strike me as someone who thinks! 😂
@@Fazbear-po5mm he seems to get the whole messege don't know what your thinking
@@zachrae1202what about the intersex folk who are forced to be either men or women despite being a combination of both? They usually are never given a choice. Their parents force them to something they are not. This isn’t against transgenderism, it is against forcing children to be something they are not and forcing them to be like everyone else. Should kids be transitioned before 18? No. But intersex kids deserve the same treatment. On top of that, this episode does kinda support transgenderism because Topa uses it to be her true self. It’s all about being who you are, being true to yourself, and parents letting their child choose who they want to be instead of what they want their child to be. Think more in depth next time, please.
Wow! Tons of people seem to not have the ability to grasp context! You all are so sad!
Soyjak show