Man, you're going to be so scr*wed up when the next episodes in Series 8 and 9 might be hinting more about a platonic romance than an actual platonic father-daughter relationship. Dany was clearly Clara's second fiddle in her love triangle between the newly-minted eldery/late middle aged looking Doctor and a Human who basically was fashioned/brainwashed/groomed (albeit accidentally so) from childhood to be to Clara what Metacrisis Doctor was to Rose (although we may argue that, in an exemplary yet subtly creepy case of Moffat Paradox/bootstrap paradox, the Doctor and Clara somewhat accidentally groomed each other too across time, incarnations and space... which is basically what Rose and the Doctor did too-- WHATEVER!) during much of the second half of Series 8.
The scene of the confrontation between Dany Pink and Twelfth Doctor was so memorable. I loved how Dany nudged on every single button as the Doctor looked him down, and how the Time Lord's aristocratic, almost godlike, darker persona snapped off his facade and lorded him away. It somewhat reminds me of the manner whom the Doctor during his Ninth and Tenth incarnations treated Mickey Smith at times, although Mickey has neither the wisdom nor the backbone and soldier guilt trip driven gravitas behind Dany's eyes, voice and body language. Ironically, as a black man (albeit from Canada) , I can't help but notice how the Doctor in NuWho, pre-Chibnall Era, seems peculiarly tense at times around male coloured Human companions-to-be, bordering even to what a few British and French newspapers back to the late 2000s to early 2010s suspected sometimes to be the writers and showrunners's - and moreso of corporate Britain's zeitgest - unconscious gender biased r*cism toward black people: being tense, hostile, competitive and condescending about black men, but open minded and prejudice-free toward black women who advances further in the social ladder especially after entertaining intimate or se%ual relations with the patrons. Dany, Mickey, and even to a certain extent Donna's companions (antagonists or not) ... and even, to some extent and oddly, _one recent very creepy incarnation of the Master in a more controversial Chibnall Era epidode_ - never had the same treatment that companions and never-bes such as Martha Jones, Mels (e.g. River Song) , Bill or even Journey Blue of all people ( a _soldier_ ) had with the Time Lord. It was both cathartic to me and weird: because due to my highborn African pedigree and background, I could relate to the Doctor, while as a black man I could equally understand Dany's points and enjoying his quick-witted sassiness and leverage over the moment without condoning either of their stances.
I enjoyed The Caretaker for the Doctor's comedic attempts at blending in, mostly because you can just tell that Peter was having fun with it. Though I admit, I've always remembered it most for when he mistakes Clara's new boyfriend as the guy (Adrian) who dressed like Matt Smith, seemingly so pleased that she'd found someone who resembled his old incarnation. I couldn't even recall the villain of the episode until you reminded me. 😅 Lmao, I forgot the hilarity of Danny calling the Doctor Clara's "space dad," followed by his response of "How can you think that I'm her dad when we both look exactly the same age?'' 😆
This is one thing I always liked about Capaldi's Doctor. He's the doctor that basically took the issues that bugged 10 and 11, and finally resolve those issues, allowing 13 to really have a fresh start that 9-12 never really got.
@@ibotmania4284 Exactly. This was the Doctor that basically looked at 9, 10, and 11's trauma and issues and went "Right, enough, I'm tired of this. We're DEALING with this and getting through it."
@@billywitchdocter Well, to be fair with you... he literally dealth with them in this way, during a comic book crossover arc. Not such with Ninth, though: he reportedly was "fantastic" .
Anyone else thrown off by the out of the blue, very bizarre "fatherly" comment??? talk about wrong end of the stick! that interpretation is such a flattening of the dimensions of their relationship, and a very face value perspective based in nothing but capaldi's age. when compared to twelve and bill's relationship, it's very clear that twelve and clara don't interact in a 'father/daughter' way at all. twelve and clara are canonically best friends and equals who used to have a 'will they won't they' -- it would be gross to call twelve's interactions with clara fatherly no matter what age the actor was lol. (sorry but i literally shuddered with horror hearing "he's like a proud father" about him approving of clara dating a guy who looks like previous him... in what universe is it a fatherly sentiment to be like 'cool that you think younger me is hot'???) it also lowkey feels insulting to the actors to suggest a platonic relationship between an older man and a younger woman has to be "fatherly", as if capaldi and coleman aren't capable of playing....complex toxic friendship? in a platonic besties reading of that scene, it's clear that he's pleased because he's FLATTERED. he shut the door to that aspect of their relationship back in deep breath and they've moved on as friends since, but seeing her move on romantically with a guy who reminds him of eleven appeals to his ego and makes him feel like he made the right move in saying 'it isn't going to be like that anymore' in deep breath. the twelfth doctor is pleased about this not as a father figure (vomit), but because clara dating adrian makes SENSE to him, it confirms his assessment of their prior relationship when he was eleven, as well as where they stand with each other now. It's a "aha, I was right, that's what she wants, how cute, I'm so smart and I'm glad we're besties now" vibe. i mean half the reason danny's 'he's ur space dad' is so funny is because a) totally reasonable assumption for danny to make and b) clara and the doctor are both lowkey like 'ew' because it is not a paternal relationship i really like this episode because of the intricate character drama, and i think the breakdown of danny here is great (he's maligned way too much in the fandom despite being very human in his responses, particularly in this episode)! but calling the doctor's reactions here "fatherly" strips away context and complexity just as much as calling it a "love triangle" would (and in a much grosser way imho).
I thought this episode was fantastic, it had some great character development moments as Danny got some lime light and Capaldi could exhibit his alien, hilarious but intensely serious take.
I like when Characters challenge the Doctor and the Doctor end sup feeling uncomfortable cus they need to face some hard truths and are looking at a reflection of the parts of themselves they hate. In Time Heist it was Psi commenting on the Doctor's coldness and emotional detachment and apathy and indifference and self imposed isolation and in this episode it is Danny confronting the Doctor about his past and his arrogance and his attitude. It's always a really interesting thing to explore cus the companion often becomes blind to the faults of the Doctor. sucked in by their charm and whimsy and by the promise of adventure and excitement so when the faults are brought to the front it's like their worldview is being shattered. I love exploration of character dynamics like this.
The scene of the confrontation between Dany Pink and Twelfth Doctor was so memorable. I loved how Dany nudged on every single button as the Doctor looked him down, and how the Time Lord's aristocratic, almost godlike, darker persona snapped off his facade and lorded him away. It somewhat reminds me of the manner whom the Doctor during his Ninth and Tenth incarnations treated Mickey Smith at times, although Mickey has neither the wisdom nor the backbone and soldier guilt trip driven gravitas behind Dany's eyes, voice and body language. Ironically, as a black man (albeit from Canada) , I can't help but notice how the Doctor in NuWho, pre-Chibnall Era, seems peculiarly tense at times around male coloured Human companions-to-be, bordering even to what a few British and French newspapers back to the late 2000s to early 2010s suspected sometimes to be the writers and showrunners's - and moreso of corporate Britain's zeitgest - unconscious gender biased r*cism toward black people: being tense, hostile, competitive and condescending about black men, but open minded and prejudice-free toward black women who advances further in the social ladder especially after entertaining intimate or se%ual relations with the patrons. Dany, Mickey, and even to a certain extent Donna's companions (antagonists or not) ... and even, to some extent and oddly, _one recent very creepy incarnation of the Master in a more controversial Chibnall Era epidode_ - never had the same treatment that companions and never-bes such as Martha Jones, Mels (e.g. River Song) , Bill or even Journey Blue of all people ( a _soldier_ ) had with the Time Lord. It was both cathartic to me and weird: because due to my highborn African pedigree and background, I could relate to the Doctor, while as a black man I could equally understand Dany's points and enjoying his quick-witted sassiness and leverage over the moment without condoning either of their stances.
Talking about Pre-Chibnall era I think that what comes off as The Doctor being tense around black men should be thought of in the context of "The Doctor being tense around black men that happen to be romantically involved with his companion". Excepting Amy of course, Rose, Donna and Clara all had black boyfriends and in the seasons they weren't involved the companion herself was black as in the case of Bill and Martha. I think this just speaks that Pre-Chibnall the showrunners more frequently involved black men as romantic interests for the companion instead of somehow expressing some distaste for black men through the Doctor. The Doctor was indeed tense around black men but also most of the angry/confused bfs he had to deal with were black. That's not to say Chibnall is biased or anything since in his era a black guy got upgraded to full companion status.
When this season was airing my husband had just recently discharged from the military. So, to me, Danny Pink was a fantastic character. He honestly seems so natural to me. I had no idea people thought his acting wasn't on par. I find myself thinking he was featured more in the series. Even though he's only been in a handful of episodes.
"No, I read the book, theres a bio at the back" is one of my favorite lines I've heard out of this series. Perfectly jokey and serious, a perfectly normal statement, and one hell of a comeback
I appreciated the take (the show's and HW's) on what's basically a superhero double identity. It's relatable / realistic to the degree, that neither a hero in disguise nor a companion would tell just about anyone they've just met about their extra-curriculars, be it because it might make them sound crazy, or to protect themselves (in case they may have misjudged the person in front of them) or, to a degree, to protect the other person. And while getting to know the person, the lies add up. When does the hero/companion come clean? When is the best time? Or is there simply a point of no return where the reveal would inevitably destroy that relationship.. which was already built upon lies and by keeping an essential part of their person and life a secret... Yet, I despise lots of the supposed reasonings: "I'm doing it to protect them" - no, you don't tell your enemies about your friends for that reason, but if you enemies find out about your identities, your enemies may target your loved ones just the same whether your loved ones know about you or not. Knowing would in fact keep them safer, as they can prepare themselves for that eventuality. "I lied for so long, I can't go back" - as above mentioned, a risk and the truth may (temporarily) hurt and estrange the loved ones, but after that realization consciously stacking even more lies is morally much worse than to 'just rip of the band-aid', it's fear holding you back, not a good reason. "They will look at me differently." - Wrong. They are looking differently at you now, because they don't know your whole self. It's just selecting what they get to see, and on a smaller scale, that is okay (white lies) but since we are talking about a whole identity, a whole life lived separately, this is not a good reason. If anything it's the very reason why the truth should be shared. "They wouldn't understand" - either that means you need to properly explain it to them or you might need to reflect on your actions or they may not be the one for you... y'know, the whole of you... at least not at this point of your life. Or they might surprise you, but you deprive them of that chance. Secret identities are sort of a trope at this day and age, and they always lead to more trouble (the longer they are kept up) than the coming out would have, for all parties involved... (and yes, there is a RL parallel to be made) Surely such a reveal has to be treated with caution and care, but Clara having dated Danny for a good year(?) is one of these instances where good reasons have long since gone with the wind. But I do not blame the episode for it. On the contrary, it affirms and sets up character traits, conflict and themes. And, as I said at the top... sometimes the lies just stack up when the relationship is still in the "getting to know each other" limbo and suddenly it feels as if one's past the point of no return... "There's just never been a good moment to tell them." - No, there hardly ever is for big reveals, but one can at least try to seed the idea, to sprinkle in parts of the truth, maybe even hint at the reality of having a secret... And... it kinda fits Clara's gun-ho character/attitude (maybe even perceiving herself that sort of superhero with a secret identity), that she rather aimed to keep these two halves of herself separate...
Honestly, since I like the Capaldi era so much I'm constantly coming back to this channel, I feel like you got real good critiques but also give all the episodes a chance despite if their "bad". Which is also why I like your defending the despised series. Keep it up!
As much as a Love 12, particularly in this series, I always felt that the weird Soldier Bias aspect of the character was kinda disrespectful to The Brigadier and the rest of Classic UNIT. I know it started with 10 really and I understand that it comes from the self-loathing of his Time War era being projected outwards, but it never sat right with me with any incarnation Post 9, especially given things like the casual Cyberman Genocide in "A Good Man Goes To War".
Just watching this it makes me really wish they made Danny a medic in the military! It would have really shut up 12 and change his perspective. And it would have still made sense. Danny would have still had basic military training and probably could have gained a command role. Unfortunately today's military medics now have to carry weapons so it would make more sense that they would make a life-changing mistake of killing a child in a war zone with less in combat training. I wish Danny was a longer character. I liked him!
Gotta say I do really love all the positivity here on the channel now. Not to say it was negative in the past but i think it has shifted over the years, whereas it was a bit more negative back in the day. Your videos have come a long way in „criticizing points that aren’t good while still being positive about it“. Really love this episode and really like your current „era“ of reviews. Thank you for the fun times and discussions you bring us!
I liked most of this episode for what it was trying to do, but the one thing that bothered me about this whole arc was that the Doctor's friends Lethbridge-Stewart, John Benton, and Mike Yates were all soldiers and he never gave them any such venom. Yes, he has guilt issues for being the War Doctor, which was long after UNIT, but he's old enough and smart enough to know that not all things or people can be broadly painted with but one brush.
I see it has him having had to do things in the Time War that would have horrified Lethbridge-Stewart, and being ashamed that he couldn't find a way to avoid them. He hated what he'd become, because he felt that the Brigadier would have hated him. And since he was a soldier in the War, that hatred coloured his perception of *all* soldiers, even the good ones.
I loved this story and I had fun with it. I do like the robot design and that was cool, and I will agree it did feel like a sitcom and I do love the cold open and that was funny.
A good episode overall. Like how it focuses on Clara's double life where she tries to have the best of both worlds travelling in the Tardis with the Doctor and also trying to have a normal life on Earth with Danny at the same time. She feels caught between the two men who are most important to her, and her response is to lie to them both. Not the best way to cope in these situations but she she feels she can't give up either so she tries to hide the realities of both from the Doctor and Danny. Now neither can fully trust her. Fans have criticized Clara for this in the past but I can see why she does this even if I don't agree with it. I used to do the same in a past relationship to avoid telling the truth to a partner fearing their negative reactions to something only to have it blow up in my face later on when they found out the truth anyways. She has to own up and be honest to the Doctor and Danny otherwise she might lose them both. She has to learn her lesson the hard way in the end. Danny comes off as being more realsitic in this episode than how he was in Listen. His and Clara's relationship is also more believable thought I still prefer her platonic one with the Doctor instead. Danny pushes the Doctor's buttons until he finally snaps, we finally get to see a little bit of the alien hidden behind the human-like face. The Doctor can be overly superior and condescending at times, that's the Timelord in them. But Danny sees through him in a way, one former soldier to another, even mock saluting him which the Doctor can't stand of course. Capaldi is great as always. 12 is funny, sarcastic, aloof and oblivious at different times. Yet, he thinks he has everything under contol until the stupid humans botch his plans to trap and deal with the robot. It was hilarious when he though Clara liked the teacher who looked a little like 11. He was so happy about that. maybe he remebered again when 11 fancied Clara and thought it was cute that she found someone who reminded her of him. The killer robot is campy, very Doctor Who-ish, it's fine for the episode but fairly forgetable in the end. The funny thing I didn't realize when I first watched this episode is when Clara was talking about Jane Austin to the students in her class and described her as a great kisser. I thought, "How would she know that?". I found out later that she actually met Jane Austin in one of her travels with the Doctor and actually kissed her herself. That completely flew over my head! I never thougth of Clara as possibly being bi-sexual. So does that mean that her and Me might end up in a relationship at some point if they travel together long enough and get close to each other? Who knows, though I hope not. I'd prefer to think that her one big platonic love/ friendship would be with the Doctor instead. Those two were meant for each other. Would have loved to have seen that kiss with Jane Austin though! 😅
I'm getting this in writing before the next video: Kill the Moon was a PHENOMINAL episode. ...until the end, where the resolution is so stupid and inconsequential that it instantly dropped below Love & Monsters in my shit-list. The whole episode tries to be an allegory for abortion, but fails spectacularly. If you can't make a statement with an episode like this, then don't bother touching the subject at all.
I really loved the comedy and human interactions in this episode. I feel like episodes like these are needed in the show to be able to develop characters better. Also the Doctor not being able to remember that Danny teaches maths reminds me of how the Brigadier, a soldier all his life, ended up teaching maths as well - as seen in 1983's Mawdrin Undead.
Can't work out why people didn't appreciate this episode .The banter between the doctor /Clara / Danny was very entertaining.Thete where great one liners from the doctor ,due to his poor social interactions with humans .
Those flashes of other adventures, remind me of Patrick Stewart explaining that every ST episode was an adventure, because they didn't show the 90% of the time where nothing happened.
I miss those times when the Doctor has shown he cares about the LIVES of soldiers. Like in the Pertwee and T. Baker eras. At least we got a bit of that again when he threw Rassilon off of Gallifrey...
Oi! The Raston Warrior Robot was quite efficient! It’s one of the characters I most want to come back. (yeah, I know he won’t, but I’m one of those people who is still wanting The Rani. Let me have my dream!)
Man, you're going to be so scr*wed up when the next episodes in Series 8 and 9 might be hinting more about a platonic romance than an actual platonic father-daughter relationship. Dany was clearly Clara's second fiddle in her love triangle between the newly-minted eldery/late middle aged looking Doctor and a Human who basically was fashioned/brainwashed/groomed (albeit accidentally so) from childhood to be to Clara what Metacrisis Doctor was to Rose (although we may argue that, in an exemplary yet subtly creepy case of Moffat Paradox/bootstrap paradox, the Doctor and Clara somewhat accidentally groomed each other too across time, incarnations and space... which is basically what Rose and the Doctor did too-- WHATEVER!) during much of the second half of Series 8.
I personally think that this is the best series 8 episode. It's just a fun episode, and I have a glow in the dark Skovox blitzer sticker from Doctor who Magazine, and a 3dprinted Skovox
Really good video! Not every episode can be a banger and I think this is a really good medium Doctor Who episode. Not "live in your brain forever" fantastic, but also not something I would dread rewatching. Also, for Kill the Moon, have you seen Sarah Z's video on it? She does very different analysis than you do, but I think she makes a lot of good points about the themes of the episode
This was so insightful 🤯. I never minded this episode but I never understood Clara and Danny’s relationship, why the Doctor was hating on soldiers so much more than in the past. And I didn’t see Clara’s arc starting here as she tries to be more like the doctor. I never thought about it starting with Rule Number 1: The Doctor lies. That was a HORRIBLE lie she tried to give Danny on the spot. I would be offended. Thank you for your time on this.
What are you on about Courtney was a terrible actress just because she is a kid doesn't give her any special treatment. Plenty of amazing kid actors out there but she was absolutely terrible. Way to appeal to the mass without offending anyone
I remember enjoying this episode well enough, but I literally don't remember anything else about it, other than a few visual elements. It was cute, inoffensive and fleeting.
I keep getting this gut feeling that Courtney will end up being a companion someday. I think they said she’d be president or prime minister or something but it still feels like she’s not done with the Doctor
I like the episode as a whole, the stuff between the Doctor, Clara and Danny works well and I enjoyed the 11alike gag, it was only the alien baddie I didn't particularly enjoy as it feels like something pulled from an early list of rejected dalek concepts or a forgotten episode of hitchhikers guide to the galaxy. Especially the line about being one of the most dangerous things in the universe; in a series where we already have a whole host of 'most dangerous things', the idea that this random robot is meant to be on the same footing as the daleks or cybermen just fails to land
i love this episode, but remember being disappointed with the blitzer when it first aired. now that im older i can appreciate the emotional arcs for what they are!
Danny was to Clara was Cooper Connelly is to Billie Mann in the Netflix show Segs/Life. Aside the total absence, or rather borderline reluctant avoidance of raunchy nozzling up between Brad-- I mean the Doctor.
I agree. It’s a strange kind of love that evolved from the flirting with 11, to a confused, changed and torn relationship that they work through with the 12th doctor in season 8. After the fallout of season 8, they settle into this deep friendship and unspoken but understood love in season 9 where they can’t let go of each other.
Part of it is the deep un-realisticness of a creature born from the moon almost immediately laying an egg with apparently the same gravitational effect as the one it came from. (There are no reference to changed tides or altered lunar cycles after this episode, and nothing in any shown before but set afterward to indicate a less massive satellite - the 2nd Doctor story 'The Moonbase' depicts a moon with 1/6 Earth's gravity and is set in 2-3 decades after 'Kill the Moon.') That said, I don't hate the episode. I just don't think it needed to be made.
For myself "The Caretaker" was a fun episode and a good palete cleanser after the good but intense "Time Heist". The story was really all about the Doctor's relationship with Clara.
I don't think the Doctor could be compared to an officer in the time war. He seems to have been completely outside of the chain of command, something more like a rogue one person paramilitary unit. I haven't listened to any of the Big Finish time war stuff, so maybe that depicts things differently, but just going from what we get from the show I always got the impression that the Doctor just kept on Doctoring, going where he was needed and interfering in everybody's plans, just, y'know, a bit more violently.
It's a "bad "episode technically but I really enjoy it. I laugh allot with it and while the plot and baddie are perfunctory at best and terrible at worst it never gets in the way of how fun this story is. Similar to the lodger , I enjoy both of them but I think capaldi and Coleman just nail it (as always)
@@awkwardyoshi6979 not one per term? Well, maybe I’m misremembering when I was a kid but certainly when working in primary schools more recently - once per term Though maybe that’s not practical in secondary schools
@Thomas Smithurst I wonder if it's different for different regions probably depends on the school. As well as the type of school cos private vs comprehensive or other types. Idk but it's interesting that it's different, I always thought it was regular to only have one but you've proven me wrong.
I actually thoroughly enjoyed this episode. I just think it suffers from being an absolute C+ or B- at best, in a season with some pretty great episodes
the caretaker is legit one of those i'll always happily return too, while for me its no turn left/the stolen earth/journey's end (my favourite story arc, even if its very fan service heavy, but its fun so idc) its still a cracking story and as you've explained it fits really well
I think this is the first video of yours where I'm disagreeing with you on a lot of things, Which is fine. I really couldn't stand Danny after this episode.
12 and Clara respectively claim Austen wrote Pride and Prejudice in 1796 and 1797. Despite its 1813 publication date, the first draft was written from October 1796 to August 1797. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pride_and_Prejudice#Development_of_the_novel
Not a fan of this episode ,the character of the Doctor was poor ,the doctor going on about Danny an ex soldier being a maths teacher was petty (the fifth doctor never did this to the Brigadeer in Mawdryn undead 😀)
I think the villain of this episode actually brought the quality down, imo. don't get me wrong, this episode did actually need a villain, unlike the lodger, but not only does the actual skovox blitzer look a bit off, but it doesn't really get that much of a spotlight. saying that, maybe it was unnecessary. courtney woods is a great character though and she would've been cool to see her in something other than this and kill the moon
I love this episode, and anyone who doesn’t like Courtney can go sit in sand. The Doctor did have an awkward moment with Clara when he says he’s not her boyfriend but he said he was saying it for his own sake and not hers. And he’s all moody. What’s up with that? Acknowledging still having leftover feelings from his time as Eleven?
Honestly, I didn't really remember much about this episode, it was sort of forgettable. That's not something you can say about the next episode at least.
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Man, you're going to be so scr*wed up when the next episodes in Series 8 and 9 might be hinting more about a platonic romance than an actual platonic father-daughter relationship.
Dany was clearly Clara's second fiddle in her love triangle between the newly-minted eldery/late middle aged looking Doctor and a Human who basically was fashioned/brainwashed/groomed (albeit accidentally so) from childhood to be to Clara what Metacrisis Doctor was to Rose (although we may argue that, in an exemplary yet subtly creepy case of Moffat Paradox/bootstrap paradox, the Doctor and Clara somewhat accidentally groomed each other too across time, incarnations and space... which is basically what Rose and the Doctor did too-- WHATEVER!) during much of the second half of Series 8.
The scene of the confrontation between Dany Pink and Twelfth Doctor was so memorable. I loved how Dany nudged on every single button as the Doctor looked him down, and how the Time Lord's aristocratic, almost godlike, darker persona snapped off his facade and lorded him away.
It somewhat reminds me of the manner whom the Doctor during his Ninth and Tenth incarnations treated Mickey Smith at times, although Mickey has neither the wisdom nor the backbone and soldier guilt trip driven gravitas behind Dany's eyes, voice and body language. Ironically, as a black man (albeit from Canada) , I can't help but notice how the Doctor in NuWho, pre-Chibnall Era, seems peculiarly tense at times around male coloured Human companions-to-be, bordering even to what a few British and French newspapers back to the late 2000s to early 2010s suspected sometimes to be the writers and showrunners's - and moreso of corporate Britain's zeitgest - unconscious gender biased r*cism toward black people: being tense, hostile, competitive and condescending about black men, but open minded and prejudice-free toward black women who advances further in the social ladder especially after entertaining intimate or se%ual relations with the patrons.
Dany, Mickey, and even to a certain extent Donna's companions (antagonists or not) ... and even, to some extent and oddly, _one recent very creepy incarnation of the Master in a more controversial Chibnall Era epidode_ - never had the same treatment that companions and never-bes such as Martha Jones, Mels (e.g. River Song) , Bill or even Journey Blue of all people ( a _soldier_ ) had with the Time Lord. It was both cathartic to me and weird: because due to my highborn African pedigree and background, I could relate to the Doctor, while as a black man I could equally understand Dany's points and enjoying his quick-witted sassiness and leverage over the moment without condoning either of their stances.
I enjoyed The Caretaker for the Doctor's comedic attempts at blending in, mostly because you can just tell that Peter was having fun with it. Though I admit, I've always remembered it most for when he mistakes Clara's new boyfriend as the guy (Adrian) who dressed like Matt Smith, seemingly so pleased that she'd found someone who resembled his old incarnation. I couldn't even recall the villain of the episode until you reminded me. 😅
Lmao, I forgot the hilarity of Danny calling the Doctor Clara's "space dad," followed by his response of "How can you think that I'm her dad when we both look exactly the same age?'' 😆
Lmao.
This episode gives my favorite quote from Clara: "HUMANS ARE NOT OTTERS!"
“Yeah, this will be easier.”
@@kiebahow442tbf he’s not wrong lol, he looks human not like an otter
I do love the Clara/12 moments/banter we get in this episode; they are the best parts of the episode
Lol.
Plus, it gave us my favorite bit of dialogue that I’ve seen in a D&D meme: “I lived with otters once, for a month.”
This is one thing I always liked about Capaldi's Doctor. He's the doctor that basically took the issues that bugged 10 and 11, and finally resolve those issues, allowing 13 to really have a fresh start that 9-12 never really got.
You’ve encapsulated my love for 12 perfectly, he’s got the God complex of both doctors before him but with a sense of weariness
And he (Thirteenth) ruined such fresh start to the ground and wrecked the train.
Literally so.
@@ibotmania4284 Exactly. This was the Doctor that basically looked at 9, 10, and 11's trauma and issues and went "Right, enough, I'm tired of this. We're DEALING with this and getting through it."
@@billywitchdocter Well, to be fair with you... he literally dealth with them in this way, during a comic book crossover arc. Not such with Ninth, though: he reportedly was "fantastic" .
@@ptolemeeselenion1542 isn't 13 female, tho? Wether you like the gender change or not, it doesn't change the fact that it still happened
Anyone else thrown off by the out of the blue, very bizarre "fatherly" comment??? talk about wrong end of the stick!
that interpretation is such a flattening of the dimensions of their relationship, and a very face value perspective based in nothing but capaldi's age. when compared to twelve and bill's relationship, it's very clear that twelve and clara don't interact in a 'father/daughter' way at all. twelve and clara are canonically best friends and equals who used to have a 'will they won't they' -- it would be gross to call twelve's interactions with clara fatherly no matter what age the actor was lol. (sorry but i literally shuddered with horror hearing "he's like a proud father" about him approving of clara dating a guy who looks like previous him... in what universe is it a fatherly sentiment to be like 'cool that you think younger me is hot'???)
it also lowkey feels insulting to the actors to suggest a platonic relationship between an older man and a younger woman has to be "fatherly", as if capaldi and coleman aren't capable of playing....complex toxic friendship?
in a platonic besties reading of that scene, it's clear that he's pleased because he's FLATTERED. he shut the door to that aspect of their relationship back in deep breath and they've moved on as friends since, but seeing her move on romantically with a guy who reminds him of eleven appeals to his ego and makes him feel like he made the right move in saying 'it isn't going to be like that anymore' in deep breath. the twelfth doctor is pleased about this not as a father figure (vomit), but because clara dating adrian makes SENSE to him, it confirms his assessment of their prior relationship when he was eleven, as well as where they stand with each other now. It's a "aha, I was right, that's what she wants, how cute, I'm so smart and I'm glad we're besties now" vibe.
i mean half the reason danny's 'he's ur space dad' is so funny is because a) totally reasonable assumption for danny to make and b) clara and the doctor are both lowkey like 'ew' because it is not a paternal relationship
i really like this episode because of the intricate character drama, and i think the breakdown of danny here is great (he's maligned way too much in the fandom despite being very human in his responses, particularly in this episode)! but calling the doctor's reactions here "fatherly" strips away context and complexity just as much as calling it a "love triangle" would (and in a much grosser way imho).
I completely agree & glad that everybody didn't see it that way
I thought this episode was fantastic, it had some great character development moments as Danny got some lime light and Capaldi could exhibit his alien, hilarious but intensely serious take.
Indeed.
I like when Characters challenge the Doctor and the Doctor end sup feeling uncomfortable cus they need to face some hard truths and are looking at a reflection of the parts of themselves they hate. In Time Heist it was Psi commenting on the Doctor's coldness and emotional detachment and apathy and indifference and self imposed isolation and in this episode it is Danny confronting the Doctor about his past and his arrogance and his attitude. It's always a really interesting thing to explore cus the companion often becomes blind to the faults of the Doctor. sucked in by their charm and whimsy and by the promise of adventure and excitement so when the faults are brought to the front it's like their worldview is being shattered. I love exploration of character dynamics like this.
The scene of the confrontation between Dany Pink and Twelfth Doctor was so memorable. I loved how Dany nudged on every single button as the Doctor looked him down, and how the Time Lord's aristocratic, almost godlike, darker persona snapped off his facade and lorded him away.
It somewhat reminds me of the manner whom the Doctor during his Ninth and Tenth incarnations treated Mickey Smith at times, although Mickey has neither the wisdom nor the backbone and soldier guilt trip driven gravitas behind Dany's eyes, voice and body language. Ironically, as a black man (albeit from Canada) , I can't help but notice how the Doctor in NuWho, pre-Chibnall Era, seems peculiarly tense at times around male coloured Human companions-to-be, bordering even to what a few British and French newspapers back to the late 2000s to early 2010s suspected sometimes to be the writers and showrunners's - and moreso of corporate Britain's zeitgest - unconscious gender biased r*cism toward black people: being tense, hostile, competitive and condescending about black men, but open minded and prejudice-free toward black women who advances further in the social ladder especially after entertaining intimate or se%ual relations with the patrons.
Dany, Mickey, and even to a certain extent Donna's companions (antagonists or not) ... and even, to some extent and oddly, _one recent very creepy incarnation of the Master in a more controversial Chibnall Era epidode_ - never had the same treatment that companions and never-bes such as Martha Jones, Mels (e.g. River Song) , Bill or even Journey Blue of all people ( a _soldier_ ) had with the Time Lord. It was both cathartic to me and weird: because due to my highborn African pedigree and background, I could relate to the Doctor, while as a black man I could equally understand Dany's points and enjoying his quick-witted sassiness and leverage over the moment without condoning either of their stances.
Talking about Pre-Chibnall era I think that what comes off as The Doctor being tense around black men should be thought of in the context of "The Doctor being tense around black men that happen to be romantically involved with his companion". Excepting Amy of course, Rose, Donna and Clara all had black boyfriends and in the seasons they weren't involved the companion herself was black as in the case of Bill and Martha.
I think this just speaks that Pre-Chibnall the showrunners more frequently involved black men as romantic interests for the companion instead of somehow expressing some distaste for black men through the Doctor. The Doctor was indeed tense around black men but also most of the angry/confused bfs he had to deal with were black. That's not to say Chibnall is biased or anything since in his era a black guy got upgraded to full companion status.
Wow that's interesting to notice.
When this season was airing my husband had just recently discharged from the military. So, to me, Danny Pink was a fantastic character. He honestly seems so natural to me. I had no idea people thought his acting wasn't on par. I find myself thinking he was featured more in the series. Even though he's only been in a handful of episodes.
"No, I read the book, theres a bio at the back" is one of my favorite lines I've heard out of this series. Perfectly jokey and serious, a perfectly normal statement, and one hell of a comeback
I appreciated the take (the show's and HW's) on what's basically a superhero double identity.
It's relatable / realistic to the degree, that neither a hero in disguise nor a companion would tell just about anyone they've just met about their extra-curriculars, be it because it might make them sound crazy, or to protect themselves (in case they may have misjudged the person in front of them) or, to a degree, to protect the other person.
And while getting to know the person, the lies add up. When does the hero/companion come clean? When is the best time? Or is there simply a point of no return where the reveal would inevitably destroy that relationship.. which was already built upon lies and by keeping an essential part of their person and life a secret...
Yet, I despise lots of the supposed reasonings:
"I'm doing it to protect them" - no, you don't tell your enemies about your friends for that reason, but if you enemies find out about your identities, your enemies may target your loved ones just the same whether your loved ones know about you or not. Knowing would in fact keep them safer, as they can prepare themselves for that eventuality.
"I lied for so long, I can't go back" - as above mentioned, a risk and the truth may (temporarily) hurt and estrange the loved ones, but after that realization consciously stacking even more lies is morally much worse than to 'just rip of the band-aid', it's fear holding you back, not a good reason.
"They will look at me differently." - Wrong. They are looking differently at you now, because they don't know your whole self. It's just selecting what they get to see, and on a smaller scale, that is okay (white lies) but since we are talking about a whole identity, a whole life lived separately, this is not a good reason. If anything it's the very reason why the truth should be shared.
"They wouldn't understand" - either that means you need to properly explain it to them or you might need to reflect on your actions or they may not be the one for you... y'know, the whole of you... at least not at this point of your life. Or they might surprise you, but you deprive them of that chance.
Secret identities are sort of a trope at this day and age, and they always lead to more trouble (the longer they are kept up) than the coming out would have, for all parties involved... (and yes, there is a RL parallel to be made)
Surely such a reveal has to be treated with caution and care, but Clara having dated Danny for a good year(?) is one of these instances where good reasons have long since gone with the wind.
But I do not blame the episode for it. On the contrary, it affirms and sets up character traits, conflict and themes. And, as I said at the top... sometimes the lies just stack up when the relationship is still in the "getting to know each other" limbo and suddenly it feels as if one's past the point of no return... "There's just never been a good moment to tell them." - No, there hardly ever is for big reveals, but one can at least try to seed the idea, to sprinkle in parts of the truth, maybe even hint at the reality of having a secret... And... it kinda fits Clara's gun-ho character/attitude (maybe even perceiving herself that sort of superhero with a secret identity), that she rather aimed to keep these two halves of herself separate...
Honestly, since I like the Capaldi era so much I'm constantly coming back to this channel, I feel like you got real good critiques but also give all the episodes a chance despite if their "bad". Which is also why I like your defending the despised series. Keep it up!
As much as a Love 12, particularly in this series, I always felt that the weird Soldier Bias aspect of the character was kinda disrespectful to The Brigadier and the rest of Classic UNIT. I know it started with 10 really and I understand that it comes from the self-loathing of his Time War era being projected outwards, but it never sat right with me with any incarnation Post 9, especially given things like the casual Cyberman Genocide in "A Good Man Goes To War".
I loved the development of the weird triangle of relationships in this episode
Just watching this it makes me really wish they made Danny a medic in the military! It would have really shut up 12 and change his perspective. And it would have still made sense. Danny would have still had basic military training and probably could have gained a command role. Unfortunately today's military medics now have to carry weapons so it would make more sense that they would make a life-changing mistake of killing a child in a war zone with less in combat training. I wish Danny was a longer character. I liked him!
Gotta say I do really love all the positivity here on the channel now. Not to say it was negative in the past but i think it has shifted over the years, whereas it was a bit more negative back in the day. Your videos have come a long way in „criticizing points that aren’t good while still being positive about it“. Really love this episode and really like your current „era“ of reviews. Thank you for the fun times and discussions you bring us!
I liked most of this episode for what it was trying to do, but the one thing that bothered me about this whole arc was that the Doctor's friends Lethbridge-Stewart, John Benton, and Mike Yates were all soldiers and he never gave them any such venom. Yes, he has guilt issues for being the War Doctor, which was long after UNIT, but he's old enough and smart enough to know that not all things or people can be broadly painted with but one brush.
I see it has him having had to do things in the Time War that would have horrified Lethbridge-Stewart, and being ashamed that he couldn't find a way to avoid them. He hated what he'd become, because he felt that the Brigadier would have hated him. And since he was a soldier in the War, that hatred coloured his perception of *all* soldiers, even the good ones.
I loved this story and I had fun with it. I do like the robot design and that was cool, and I will agree it did feel like a sitcom and I do love the cold open and that was funny.
The design reminds me a lot of the robot from Hardware
A good episode overall. Like how it focuses on Clara's double life where she tries to have the best of both worlds travelling in the Tardis with the Doctor and also trying to have a normal life on Earth with Danny at the same time. She feels caught between the two men who are most important to her, and her response is to lie to them both. Not the best way to cope in these situations but she she feels she can't give up either so she tries to hide the realities of both from the Doctor and Danny. Now neither can fully trust her. Fans have criticized Clara for this in the past but I can see why she does this even if I don't agree with it. I used to do the same in a past relationship to avoid telling the truth to a partner fearing their negative reactions to something only to have it blow up in my face later on when they found out the truth anyways. She has to own up and be honest to the Doctor and Danny otherwise she might lose them both. She has to learn her lesson the hard way in the end.
Danny comes off as being more realsitic in this episode than how he was in Listen. His and Clara's relationship is also more believable thought I still prefer her platonic one with the Doctor instead. Danny pushes the Doctor's buttons until he finally snaps, we finally get to see a little bit of the alien hidden behind the human-like face. The Doctor can be overly superior and condescending at times, that's the Timelord in them. But Danny sees through him in a way, one former soldier to another, even mock saluting him which the Doctor can't stand of course.
Capaldi is great as always. 12 is funny, sarcastic, aloof and oblivious at different times. Yet, he thinks he has everything under contol until the stupid humans botch his plans to trap and deal with the robot. It was hilarious when he though Clara liked the teacher who looked a little like 11. He was so happy about that. maybe he remebered again when 11 fancied Clara and thought it was cute that she found someone who reminded her of him. The killer robot is campy, very Doctor Who-ish, it's fine for the episode but fairly forgetable in the end.
The funny thing I didn't realize when I first watched this episode is when Clara was talking about Jane Austin to the students in her class and described her as a great kisser. I thought, "How would she know that?". I found out later that she actually met Jane Austin in one of her travels with the Doctor and actually kissed her herself. That completely flew over my head! I never thougth of Clara as possibly being bi-sexual. So does that mean that her and Me might end up in a relationship at some point if they travel together long enough and get close to each other? Who knows, though I hope not. I'd prefer to think that her one big platonic love/ friendship would be with the Doctor instead. Those two were meant for each other. Would have loved to have seen that kiss with Jane Austin though! 😅
I'm getting this in writing before the next video: Kill the Moon was a PHENOMINAL episode.
...until the end, where the resolution is so stupid and inconsequential that it instantly dropped below Love & Monsters in my shit-list. The whole episode tries to be an allegory for abortion, but fails spectacularly. If you can't make a statement with an episode like this, then don't bother touching the subject at all.
Well said and as well the part that saves kill the moon is Clara’s anger against the doctor and how it affected the following episode
I really loved the comedy and human interactions in this episode. I feel like episodes like these are needed in the show to be able to develop characters better.
Also the Doctor not being able to remember that Danny teaches maths reminds me of how the Brigadier, a soldier all his life, ended up teaching maths as well - as seen in 1983's Mawdrin Undead.
Can't work out why people didn't appreciate this episode .The banter between the doctor /Clara / Danny was very entertaining.Thete where great one liners from the doctor ,due to his poor social interactions with humans .
Those flashes of other adventures, remind me of Patrick Stewart explaining that every ST episode was an adventure, because they didn't show the 90% of the time where nothing happened.
I miss those times when the Doctor has shown he cares about the LIVES of soldiers. Like in the Pertwee and T. Baker eras. At least we got a bit of that again when he threw Rassilon off of Gallifrey...
Oi! The Raston Warrior Robot was quite efficient! It’s one of the characters I most want to come back.
(yeah, I know he won’t, but I’m one of those people who is still wanting The Rani. Let me have my dream!)
The Sir Killalot name drop was unexpected but wonderfully accurate. Another solid review!
Man, you're going to be so scr*wed up when the next episodes in Series 8 and 9 might be hinting more about a platonic romance than an actual platonic father-daughter relationship.
Dany was clearly Clara's second fiddle in her love triangle between the newly-minted eldery/late middle aged looking Doctor and a Human who basically was fashioned/brainwashed/groomed (albeit accidentally so) from childhood to be to Clara what Metacrisis Doctor was to Rose (although we may argue that, in an exemplary yet subtly creepy case of Moffat Paradox/bootstrap paradox, the Doctor and Clara somewhat accidentally groomed each other too across time, incarnations and space... which is basically what Rose and the Doctor did too-- WHATEVER!) during much of the second half of Series 8.
I personally think that this is the best series 8 episode. It's just a fun episode, and I have a glow in the dark Skovox blitzer sticker from Doctor who Magazine, and a 3dprinted Skovox
Really good video! Not every episode can be a banger and I think this is a really good medium Doctor Who episode. Not "live in your brain forever" fantastic, but also not something I would dread rewatching. Also, for Kill the Moon, have you seen Sarah Z's video on it? She does very different analysis than you do, but I think she makes a lot of good points about the themes of the episode
I love this episode so much, probably the only episode that I enjoyed Danny's presence bc of the dialogue when he thinks the doctor is Clara's dad
I'm sorry, 12 and Clara are so totally in love, it isn't platonic lol
I forgot how character driven the Moffat era was! To be honest on the same level as RTD1! It’s great!
This was so insightful 🤯. I never minded this episode but I never understood Clara and Danny’s relationship, why the Doctor was hating on soldiers so much more than in the past. And I didn’t see Clara’s arc starting here as she tries to be more like the doctor. I never thought about it starting with Rule Number 1: The Doctor lies. That was a HORRIBLE lie she tried to give Danny on the spot. I would be offended.
Thank you for your time on this.
I love this episode because right before it aired I found my favorite band of all time
I can't wait to see what Harbo has to say about the abortion episode
Wait What
Me painstakingly waiting everyday for the time you finally get to Heaven Sent… utter masterpiece 😩
What are you on about Courtney was a terrible actress just because she is a kid doesn't give her any special treatment. Plenty of amazing kid actors out there but she was absolutely terrible. Way to appeal to the mass without offending anyone
6:45 is great comedy and something the doctor would definitely do, especially 12 - dad jokes seem his thing
"It's a Two-dis!"
I remember enjoying this episode well enough, but I literally don't remember anything else about it, other than a few visual elements. It was cute, inoffensive and fleeting.
Double Unpopular Opinion: This is my second favourite Doctor Who episode right behind my favourite episode Closing Time!
I've always liked this episode and the Clara Danny Series 8 arc and never fully understood why so many people seem to dislike it.
I keep getting this gut feeling that Courtney will end up being a companion someday. I think they said she’d be president or prime minister or something but it still feels like she’s not done with the Doctor
I like the episode as a whole, the stuff between the Doctor, Clara and Danny works well and I enjoyed the 11alike gag, it was only the alien baddie I didn't particularly enjoy as it feels like something pulled from an early list of rejected dalek concepts or a forgotten episode of hitchhikers guide to the galaxy. Especially the line about being one of the most dangerous things in the universe; in a series where we already have a whole host of 'most dangerous things', the idea that this random robot is meant to be on the same footing as the daleks or cybermen just fails to land
I loved how logical, realistic, moral and caring Danny was in this episode. I could understand every one of his decisions.
i love this episode, but remember being disappointed with the blitzer when it first aired. now that im older i can appreciate the emotional arcs for what they are!
I looked up the writer.
Damn.
What did he do? Did he kill or hurt somebody?
@@Anu_Sol Nope. You can easily check their wiki page tho
While I didn't mind Danny as a character, I just didnt see any real chemistry between he and Clara other than Clara repeatedly saying she likes him.
Danny was to Clara was Cooper Connelly is to Billie Mann in the Netflix show Segs/Life.
Aside the total absence, or rather borderline reluctant avoidance of raunchy nozzling up between Brad-- I mean the Doctor.
@@ptolemeeselenion1542 I have no idea who any of those people are
Clara has always been ok with lying. She said she fancied the doctor on Trenzalore and then said to the doctor in this ep that 11 was never her type
Sometimes people try to hide feelings like this, especially when they can never romantically be with that person.
Thanks to What We Do In The Shadows, I can't take the phrase "regular human" seriously xD
Well he got a job in a school before as a teacher in school reunion
I enjoyed 'The Caretaker', it was a rare example in the Moffat era of a companion's real life being shown.
There is no way you come out of Series 8 not thinking 12 and Clara are in love
I agree. It’s a strange kind of love that evolved from the flirting with 11, to a confused, changed and torn relationship that they work through with the 12th doctor in season 8. After the fallout of season 8, they settle into this deep friendship and unspoken but understood love in season 9 where they can’t let go of each other.
A really enjoyable review. Thanks 😊
I'd like to see you explain the reasons (if there are any) for why KTM ended up being so bad
I quite liked it
Part of it is the deep un-realisticness of a creature born from the moon almost immediately laying an egg with apparently the same gravitational effect as the one it came from. (There are no reference to changed tides or altered lunar cycles after this episode, and nothing in any shown before but set afterward to indicate a less massive satellite - the 2nd Doctor story 'The Moonbase' depicts a moon with 1/6 Earth's gravity and is set in 2-3 decades after 'Kill the Moon.')
That said, I don't hate the episode. I just don't think it needed to be made.
For myself "The Caretaker" was a fun episode and a good palete cleanser after the good but intense "Time Heist".
The story was really all about the Doctor's relationship with Clara.
Yup
The opening to the episode was pretty funny to me
I don't think the Doctor could be compared to an officer in the time war. He seems to have been completely outside of the chain of command, something more like a rogue one person paramilitary unit. I haven't listened to any of the Big Finish time war stuff, so maybe that depicts things differently, but just going from what we get from the show I always got the impression that the Doctor just kept on Doctoring, going where he was needed and interfering in everybody's plans, just, y'know, a bit more violently.
It's a "bad "episode technically but I really enjoy it. I laugh allot with it and while the plot and baddie are perfunctory at best and terrible at worst it never gets in the way of how fun this story is. Similar to the lodger , I enjoy both of them but I think capaldi and Coleman just nail it (as always)
Love this episode actually.
It's always been to me just an episode that "exists"
I don't like it, I don't hate it, it just exists.
The school would surely do 3 Parents Evenings a year…
3 parents evenings a year?! Every school I've been to has only had one per year and tbh one is enough. 😅
@@awkwardyoshi6979 not one per term? Well, maybe I’m misremembering when I was a kid but certainly when working in primary schools more recently - once per term
Though maybe that’s not practical in secondary schools
@Thomas Smithurst I wonder if it's different for different regions probably depends on the school. As well as the type of school cos private vs comprehensive or other types.
Idk but it's interesting that it's different, I always thought it was regular to only have one but you've proven me wrong.
We saw coal hill school in remembrance of the daleks
I actually thoroughly enjoyed this episode. I just think it suffers from being an absolute C+ or B- at best, in a season with some pretty great episodes
When you have someone with great comedic timing, by all means let them use it.
the caretaker is legit one of those i'll always happily return too, while for me its no turn left/the stolen earth/journey's end (my favourite story arc, even if its very fan service heavy, but its fun so idc) its still a cracking story and as you've explained it fits really well
I think this is the first video of yours where I'm disagreeing with you on a lot of things, Which is fine. I really couldn't stand Danny after this episode.
Wait, I'm just now realizing that the villain of this episode is just Urgot
i always enjoy the caretaker :))
By far one of my favourite Capaldi performances
If Clara is living two days for one, would she be aging twice as fast
Absolutely loved this episode and it sets up so much of the finale.
Can't wait for him to talk about the pro-life episode
Cring
Well what about the other time (The Lodger)?
You nailed it again. Top notch episode.
Whenever I see giant spiders or spider-like creatures I keep expecting the return of the Great One.
I just want to say, bless faolancortez! Long may they reign
I watched this episode today and loved it. I love the flip. This is the 4 or 5 time I watch it.
12 and Clara respectively claim Austen wrote Pride and Prejudice in 1796 and 1797. Despite its 1813 publication date, the first draft was written from October 1796 to August 1797. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pride_and_Prejudice#Development_of_the_novel
I actually love this episode
I love the caretaker it’s an amazing episode, it’s just sad that Roberts turned out to be a transphobe
No wonder the Chinball era is so lame and borring.
Yeah it sucks when such great stories are told by such horrible people
I really think s8 is my favourite
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From the title of the video, I thought this was gonna be about the cutaway gag in Arachnids in the UK
idk Ive always loved this episode 🤷... rewatch it everytime
Not a fan of this episode ,the character of the Doctor was poor ,the doctor going on about Danny an ex soldier being a maths teacher was petty (the fifth doctor never did this to the Brigadeer in Mawdryn undead 😀)
Because the Fifth Doctor is a bland character. Almost Jodie Whittaker.
Why is this a story? Wasn't the Doctor working for UNIT in Pertwee's era?
I always think Danny needed a little more time in the show :P
This episode should've been in YTP. This seemed like a rush job.
I actually like this episode a lot
looks like a cyber turian to me
I think the villain of this episode actually brought the quality down, imo. don't get me wrong, this episode did actually need a villain, unlike the lodger, but not only does the actual skovox blitzer look a bit off, but it doesn't really get that much of a spotlight. saying that, maybe it was unnecessary. courtney woods is a great character though and she would've been cool to see her in something other than this and kill the moon
4:55 niche.
I can’t really care about danny, cuz he got fridged and waisted his res on someone who is now an orphan.
I love this episode, and anyone who doesn’t like Courtney can go sit in sand. The Doctor did have an awkward moment with Clara when he says he’s not her boyfriend but he said he was saying it for his own sake and not hers. And he’s all moody. What’s up with that? Acknowledging still having leftover feelings from his time as Eleven?
It seems like that.
Honestly, I didn't really remember much about this episode, it was sort of forgettable. That's not something you can say about the next episode at least.
I bloody love Courtney she’s hilarious
series 8 was the Best?
Soory, really not a fan of this Ep.
The Teller being a prisoner was a twist?
Meh episode